Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2022 January 20

January 20

Category:Maltese-language writers from Malta

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. bibliomaniac15 07:02, 9 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The general rule is that we dont categorise people by language if they use the language of their country. Rathfelder (talk) 18:18, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Beauty pageant films

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 11:22, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: For consistency with other "films about" categories. DonIago (talk) 17:05, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Bol family

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:01, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT, this is unlikely to hold more than the two current articles for the foreseeable future. User:Namiba 13:51, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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3rd millennium in Nepal provinces

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:06, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not helpful for navigation, as they only contain one sub-category each (C21). There are no equivalent categories in Category:2nd millennium in Nepal, and most other countries in Category:3rd millennium by country do not have such sub-cats. – Fayenatic London 08:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- Millennium categories are rarely warranted. If the top periodic category is centuries, there will be few cases where there would even be 30 subcategories (back to 800 BC), In a very few cases, we might go back another 20 centuries, but 50 subcats in a container is not too many. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:24, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who use Wikiplus

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The result of the discussion was: WP:SOFTDELETE. – Fayenatic London 11:20, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
* Propose deleting Category:Wikipedians who use Wikiplus (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) Nominator's rationale: Contains only Template:User Wikiplus and User:Kinosang. Note that User:镜音铃/Wikiplus (which I do not endorse and do not know whether it's safe) appears to be licensed with only the Apache License meaning we can't host a local copy. The instructions to load it from a non-Wikimedia domain (which is a bad idea anyway) will no longer work once the cross-origin resource sharing gets enabled here. (it's already enabled on beta cluster) — Alexis Jazz (talk or ping me) 05:41, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 20 January 2022 (UTC) [reply]
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Category:Forced disappearances in Iran

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The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 04:21, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one article, so it does not make sense to have a separate category for Iran unless it can be populated. I do not support any other upmerging since it does not make sense to categorize a person in "Violence in Iran" or "Human rights abuses in Iran". (t · c) buidhe 07:19, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Marcocapelle (talk) 07:10, 20 January 2022 (UTC) [reply]
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Category:14th-century Azerbaijani poets

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The result of the discussion was: delete. – Fayenatic London 10:32, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT and WP:RS. As Azerbaijanis were barely an ethnic group prior to the late 19th/early 20th centuries according to peer-reviewed English-language WP:RS, and English-language sources make no mention (or barely ever) of individual Azerbaijanis predating this time period, these categories will never be populated. Same goes for these categories created by the same user ("Multituberculata") within the same time period.[1]-[2]-[3]-[4]-[5] - LouisAragon (talk) 00:16, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For the record: I just noticed that this IP[6] is mimicking said users edits in relation to these categories throughout several other Wikipedia languages (e.g. [7]-[8]) The IP's operator, who I presume is the same as whoever operates ""Multituberculata", is doing this in all likelihood to create more audience/i.e. room in order to press such categories as "legitimate". - LouisAragon (talk) 00:18, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: Category:Azerbaijani-language writers Category:Azerbaijani-language poets and Category:14th-century Turkic people (etc.) would suffice in such circumstances. We can't resort to historic revisionism when WP:RS speak against it:
- LouisAragon (talk) 14:26, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per LouisAragon and buidhe. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:56, 20 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, as per LouisAragon and Buidhe this ethnicity was not formative in these eras.--Mvqr (talk) 11:45, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Possibly repurpose as Category:14th-century Azerbaijani-language poets (or Azeri). As I understand it this is a Turkic language and thus unrelated to Persian/Iranian languages. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:32, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per nom. Laurel Lodged (talk) 08:56, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The one article in the first category is on someone whose ethnicity is disputed between Azeri or Turkmen. We need to avoid ahistorical application of ethnicity markers in categories as we have here. We need to do a much better job of categorizing people based on the place they were subjects of. We see this as a huge problem with not categorizing people linked to Czechoslovakia, Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union in those ways, and it only gets worse as you move back before 1918. We need to stop presentist impositions on the past in Wikipedia articles. I have seen way too many articles that describe the place someone was born using place designations of places that were not created until decades after the person was born. We need to stop this presentist revisionism of articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:00, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per buidhe and LouisAragon, seems extremely anachronistic. - Kevo327 (talk) 17:30, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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