Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 February 23

February 23

Babel category duplicates

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 3#Babel category duplicates

Babel category enforcement

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User mul

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User simple

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Category:Clocks in Sweden

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:52, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 22:13, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Historical rump states

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:53, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, "historical" is vague and subjective, there is no historical parent category. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:46, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Late modern rump states

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:53, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:45, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Films about real people

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 3#Category:Films about real people

Biographical films

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The result of the discussion was: rename/merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:55, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename/merge, most sibling categories in Category:Biographical films by subject have the format "Films of" and adding "biographical" does not seem very necessary in this particular context. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:38, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – I see no reason to separate films based on true stories about real people with fictional stories about them. There's sometimes a grey area and it seems needlessly complicated to split them. Although some films in the categories will not technically be biographies, I think it's understandable enough that the "Films about" categories can be subcategories of biographical cats. MClay1 (talk) 13:50, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support — even some of the "biographical" films are mostly speculative fiction. Clean up the tree, editors don't make fine distinctions.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:33, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Chinese Central Asia

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 16:55, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Chinese Central Asia to Category:History of Western China
Nominator's rationale: rename and purge the two subcategories, this is clearly a collection of history articles and the main article is Western China rather than Chinese Central Asia. Alternative: diffuse among Category:History of Xinjiang and siblings. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:08, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • But Xinjiang, as a name and territory, is a relatively recent thing,, whereas the phenomenon of Chinese presence/rule in Central Asia is much older. I don't see what we gain by abolishing a category that is flexibly defined to cover this historic phenomenon, in order to conform to modern borders. Constantine ✍ 17:58, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Marcocapelle: Indubitably. Because we tend to categorize things by what we are familiar with, and prefer precise delineations. I remember a striking exhibition of the pitfalls of this sort of recentism in the Historiska museum in Stockholm: on one wall, stone age tools categorized by province by museum curators ca. 1900, and on the other, modern toilet brushes, also organized by province.
My point here is that this category is not about Xinjiang or any modern political entity specifically: it is about a historical phenomenon that has no clear boundary, but has been an evolving cultural and political process. It usefulness is precisely that, just like Category:Roman North Africa or Category:Spanish Africa. Constantine ✍ 10:07, 11 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • We agree on having the title start with "History of". This particular category title (and not just the title but the category as such) would be a bit outlierish though: we do not have a tree of Category: History of Chinese control by region. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:49, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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  • Ambiguous temporally temporary perspective.
  1. The template for the article is {{History of Xinjiang}}; that really seems a more appropriate category.
  2. Apparently, I've been too concise. We've been fighting these perspective issues for many years. Greek versus Macedonian, Ukrainian versus Russian Empire, et cetera ad infinitum.
  3. The chosen solution is anchor with current modern location names, then accurately document the history from all sides.
  4. A chinese perspective might very well view these as "western", but the peoples there at the time were Turks (or some variation), who themselves divided into eastern and western regions which don't correspond to this chinese-centric nomenclature.
  5. Better to use modern locations.
William Allen Simpson (talk) 16:07, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
While the history of Xinjiang is related to this category, it also has content beyond the limits of present-day Xinjiang or 19th- & 20th-century East Turkestan: Anyang funerary bed, Emperor Taizong's campaign against Xueyantuo, Jibin, Battle of Irtysh River etc. The right question is: what is really (or should be) the scope of this category? Imho, looking at content, it deals with Chinese involvement West of the limites of China proper, mostly in the Tang dynasty (7th-10th centuries). I agree that a purely geographic term is better than a present-day jurisdiction to describe a loosely-defined region whose limits, obviously, changed in time. I note that the East Turkestan article talks about several terms used in history, also mentioning Chinese Turkestan. Maybe Chinese Central Asia should redirect there. Regarding Tang-period history, I'm afraid that the Chinese-centric view is probably unavailable seen that historiography and sources on this period are, unsurprisingly, quasi-exclusively Chinese material. Place Clichy (talk) 19:58, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Student religious organizations in Denmark

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:02, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 19:24, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Freedom of religion in Finland

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:03, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 19:14, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Muslim politicians

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Category:Finnish religion academics

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 21:04, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 19:03, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Architecture only containing churches

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The result of the discussion was: keep. – Fayenatic London 11:23, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These country/century intersections only contain 1 subcat, namely churches, in each case. Presumably they could be expanded, but unless and until an editor wants to do so, these are not useful. I have left other hierarchies e.g. China and Slovakia that contain at least one other member page. – Fayenatic London 19:38, 14 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
And so it is proving.... Johnbod (talk) 04:48, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Members of Propaganda Due

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Category:Religion in the Lithuanian military

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: manual merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:17, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 18:58, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Category now has more entries. Those kinds of categories are part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme, so they shouldn't be deleted following the policy you mentioned. Cukrakalnis (talk) 19:13, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, it is not part of a large overall accepted sub-categorization scheme at all, only two other countries have their own subcategory. It should be a manual merge though because the targets are too high up in the tree and more specific targets are probably appropriate. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:44, 25 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Manual Merge — not an accepted sub-categorization scheme. Still only 1 article, and the sub-sub-categories each have 2 articles. All a single religion, the same religion that is followed by 70% of the population. No need for categories of primary religions, they are WP:NONDEFINING.
    William Allen Simpson (talk) 06:18, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Works by gender

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Category:Norwegian news reporting

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:News media in Norway. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:40, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: unique category name. Content to be upmerged to Category:News media in Norway‎ Estopedist1 (talk) 17:19, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:British India emigrants to the United States

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Category:Heritage registers in Estonia

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:42, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 16:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sports venues in Bekasi

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:43, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Multiple layers of categories for one article. Delete all. The lone article is already in the upmerge targets so no merges are needed. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:17, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Arts centres in Sweden

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:43, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 12:33, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but don't need to merge to Category:Arts in Foo since Category:Arts organizations based in Foo is in the scope. Also South Africa uses "Organisations" so I've updated that error. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:31, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Depictions of people on film

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Category:Novelty buildings in Denmark

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 09:52, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Family tree in Greek mythology

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:48, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category with only one article. If we ever get any more Greek mythology family trees, we can create a new category. The name of this one doesn't seem grammatically correct. MClay1 (talk) 09:44, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Folly buildings in Norway

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:49, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 09:38, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lists of Estonian military personnel

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The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:49, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 08:39, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Wikipedians who use Discord (software)

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The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:49, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: For consistency with the main article, which is now at the undisambiguated title Discord per Talk:Discord/Archive 1#Requested move 2 March 2022, where the software was found to be the primary topic. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 08:36, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Dream SMP members

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:50, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Largely uncompleted, low-traffic, and abandoned category. After a quick google search, it seems like about of half of the members of this group do not have wikipedia pages and are left off the list. Additionally, 7 of the 17 of the entries on this list simply redirect to the primary Dream SMP article. It seems like this might be better as a section on the Dream SMP article, or maybe a list article (Although i doubt it qualifies as notable enough for that). Tantomile (talk) 08:04, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Annual events in Fiuggi

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:50, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT. One article. –Aidan721 (talk) 00:36, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Ana Carolina

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 10:50, 5 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Too little content: the two subcategories and the only article are already all interlinked (note that I also just made one of the subcats.) ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 00:09, 23 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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