Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 November 28

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:American Jews by state or territory. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:47, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:Jewish Americans by state to Category:American Jews by state or territory

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge to parent category, as @Omnis Scientia: rightly noted [1] (albeit doing so out of process). This category "only contained one category. removed that category which is present in two more relevant ones". I agree with their reasoning, but would like to show how this process should be done. Mason (talk) 23:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is a matter of whether we want Jewish Americans or American Jews. We have categories for each.--User:Namiba 00:45, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Going by Category:American Christians by state, the parent category should by named Category:American Jews by state while the categories in should either be "Jews from *state name*" or "Jewish American people from *state name*". Personally, I'm in favor of the former as it matches the pattern in the Christians category. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:57, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

OR we could renamed it Category:American Christians by state or territory, move the catergories of insular areas and D.C. there. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:47, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea. I have nominated the "people" parent at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_December_1#Category:People_from_the_United_States_by_state. – Fayenatic London 16:08, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:56, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Cultural depictions of Roman royalty. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:48, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:Cultural depictions of Roman monarchs to Category:Cultural depictions of Roman royalty

Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:43, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I don't see how its redundant, being a monarch is pretty defining.★Trekker (talk) 22:45, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Kings and emperors are even more defining, the proposal is to bring these directly under royalty for easier access. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:48, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Merge per nom. This helps with navigation, and isn't a statement about the value of the overall category. If the category were to have more people in it, that would be helpful for navigation, but well, with just two it serves to isolate them. Mason (talk) 23:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• merge, redundant category. Drdpw (talk) 12:07, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge both as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:48, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:Cultural depictions of noblemen to Category:Cultural depictions of nobility
• Propose merging Category:Cultural depictions of noblewomen to Category:Cultural depictions of nobility

Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:EGRS, cultural depictions of nobility of a specific gender is not a notable topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support per nom Mason (talk) 23:47, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Charlotte Bobcats NBA D League affiliates. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:48, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:Charlotte Bobcats NBA G League affiliates to Category:Charlotte Bobcats NBA D League affiliates

Nominator's rationale: The league was known as the D League when the Charlotte Bobcats were in existence, thus making this name anachronistic. User:Namiba 21:11, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support (but Leave Redirect) You're correct but given the naming convention at Category:NBA G League affiliates by National Basketball Association team, I think leaving a redirect would be prudent. - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:33, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No opposition to leaving a redirect.--User:Namiba 19:50, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Legacy High School (Midland, Texas) alumni. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:49, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:Robert E. Lee High School (Midland, Texas) alumni to Category:Legacy High School (Midland, Texas) alumni

Nominator's rationale: This school was renamed to Legacy High School in October 2020 and the corresponding Wikipedia article was moved accordingly. There is a policy about the alumni categories reflecting the current name of the school (hence the category being "Arizona State University alumni" and not "Tempe Normal School alumni") but I can't find it. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 19:45, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Rename per nom. VegaDark (talk) 00:42, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Rename (but Leave Redirect) Support per nom but graduates will be listed by reliable sources under the old name so a redirect would be helpful. -RevelationDirect (talk) 21:31, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:50, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Neo (Hungarian band) albums (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: A category that contains only redirects for a band's albums to a target with zero sourced or meaningful content regarding the topic of the redirect is not useful or beneficial to readers. In this case, its only mention is a listing in the discography section. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per 15(?) year-old precedent and many such discussions that Albums by artist categories should be retained even if they only contain redirects. If need be, I can get diffs, but this has been discussed many, many times. Cf. Wikipedia:WikiProject_Albums/Album_article_style_advice#Redirects.

―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 19:11, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There is precedent to delete: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 June 19#Category:Bastard Sons of Johnny Cash albums and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 25#Category:Antonio Nóbrega albums, along with similar results for categories with nothing but redirected song titles pointing to albums: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 May 21#Category:Saves the Day songs and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 October 26#Category:Lennon songs. Thanks. Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars^{Talk to me} 19:38, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete, a category with only redirects is not meaningful except for maintenance purposes, which is clearly not the case here. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:06, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete No use to navigation. One redirect that redirects to the band article page is not a navigation aid, it's a chocolate teapot.--Richhoncho (talk) 09:25, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:37, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Templates calling Infobox officeholder (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Only one template populates this category. Unlikely to grow. {{Wraps infobox}} will automatically filter the template into Category:Infobox wrapper templates. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:56, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Elinor Lyon (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Just trimmed it of anything non-defining and found that nothing should be there! --woodensuperman 15:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Can you give some examples of articles that were in here? Marcocapelle (talk) 17:16, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Yes, places she lived (Arisaig, Mallaig, Sound of Arisaig, Harlech, Guisborough, Rugby School), people (not a people category so WP:COPSEP; WP:OCASSOC: P. H. B. Lyon, John Gillespie Magee Jr) and companies who pulblished her works (Fidra Books, Brockhampton Press). All non-defining for the category. --woodensuperman 08:48, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Pff, then surely delete. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:08, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Support per nom Mason (talk) 04:27, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per the above clarification. - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:30, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: withdrawn (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 22:09, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

:* Propose renaming Category:Fictional American characters of Asian descent to Category:Fictional Asian-Americans

Nominator's rationale: Given that the header for the category itself says that it's for characters who are Asian-American, I'm not sure why we have a current category name that's a bit of a mouthful and somewhat ambiguous (I initially wasn't sure whether this was intended to be characters that are part of American productions). DonIago (talk) 14:16, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Undoes consensus at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_11#Fictional_people_by_descent; matches Category:American people of Asian descent. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:51, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose per LaundryPizza03, just rephrase or remove the header. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Withdrawn: My apologies, I didn't realize the current name was the product of a recent CfD. DonIago (talk) 17:40, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:58, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:David Walliams (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: WP:OCEPON. More properly handled at Category:Works by David Walliams --woodensuperman 14:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Television series created by David Croft. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:32, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:David Croft sitcoms to Category:Television series created by David Croft

Nominator's rationale: Don't believe we should have this level of genre/creator crossover. Should be partially merged to Category:Television series created by David Croft per the usual category tree for TV creators. --woodensuperman 13:28, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Makes sense - although some of the sitcoms in the list were only directed by Croft rather than created by. Bob talk 20:24, 29 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:29, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Macau-born Hong Kong artists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 20#Category:Actors of Hong Kong descent 寒吉 (talk) 10:22, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:12, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Extraterritorial jurisdiction. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:24, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:Extraterritorial jurisdiction by country to Category:Extraterritorial jurisdiction

Nominator's rationale: Contains only a single article, Extraterritorial jurisdiction in Irish law, which is also the only article of its kind. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:10, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:20, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge for Now No conceptual issue with the category but, given the current lack of content, the category doesn't aid navigation right now per WP:MFN. - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:27, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: merge all as nominated. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:27, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose merging Category:Kentucky women psychologists to Category:American women psychologists
• Propose merging Category:Kentucky women in agriculture to Category:Women in agriculture and Category:Farmers from Kentucky
• Propose merging Category:Kentucky women botanists to Category:American women botanists
• Propose merging Category:Kentucky women sociologists to Category:American women sociologists
• Propose merging Category:Kentucky women mathematicians to Category:Mathematicians from Kentucky and Category:American women mathematicians
• Propose merging Category:Kentucky women chemists to Category:Chemists from Kentucky and Category:American women chemists
• Propose merging Category:Kentucky women engineers to Category:American women engineers and Category:Engineers from Kentucky

Nominator's rationale: Dual merge because the intersection is not defining ( same as Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_5#Category:Kentucky_women_aviators ) Mason (talk) 05:42, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:10, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge. It is not defining to combine birth state, state of education, or state of employment with these occupations (especially because those three are different things conflated together in these categories). Our category system is a mess of non-defining intersections but that is not an excuse to create more. I would also support a similar merger for e.g. Category:Chemists from Kentucky, Category:Engineers from Kentucky, and Category:Mathematicians from Kentucky, for the same reason. (For farmers, maybe the state is more relevant.) —David Eppstein (talk) 23:39, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge As already said, it's not defining as-is. -Kj cheetham (talk) 11:49, 9 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Unopposed for two weeks; WP:REFUND applies. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:29, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose deleting Category:Cultural depictions of the Chakri dynasty (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. There is no need to merge, the subcategory is already part of Category:Cultural depictions of Thai monarchs. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:33, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus but leaning towards keep. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:24, 14 December 2023 (UTC) (amended 17:06, 15 January 2024 (UTC))[reply]

• Propose merging Category:Avatar (2009 film) to Category:Avatar (franchise)

Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:OVERLAPCAT. Many of the things in this category are more pertinent to the franchise and should be merged into the main franchise category or one of its other subcategories. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:52, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Oppose That doesn't seem to be the case with the current contents. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:44, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Oppose Those in this category pertain specifically to the first film. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:33, 11 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Fictional Disney locations. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:33, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:Fictional locations of Disney to Category:Disney locations

Nominator's rationale: Consistency with other contents in Category:Fictional locations by series. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:50, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Rename per nom. Can probably be speedied per WP:C2C. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:53, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Alternate rename to Category:Fictional Disney locations. The proposed target can be read as referring to locations of Disneyworld/Disneyland theme parks or locations within them. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:55, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I agree with Z. Disney locations can (and will) be understood as real life Disney locations. Gonnym (talk) 12:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - No reason to exist, most of these articles are not even about their locations, but instead about works named after these locations. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:55, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• That would initially call for purging. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • I do not think there would be enough for a category after purging. (Oinkers42) (talk) 00:34, 17 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_November_20#Category:Fictional_places_in_Disney_films for the subcategory. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:42, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• I strike my vote. Zxcvbnm may well have a point. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:07, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Rhynchocephalia. Unopposed for two weeks. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster^talk 21:23, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Propose renaming Category:Sphenodontia to Category:Rhynchocephalia

Nominator's rationale: Makes more sense to have the category be the most inclusive, as category currently includes non-sphenodontian rhynchocephalians, and the vast majority of rhynchocephalians belong to Sphenodontia, so there would be little point in having two categories. Hemiauchenia (talk) 02:21, 28 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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