Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 5

April 5

Category:Year of work unknown

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:10, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Drum Corps Associates corps

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 23#Category:Drum Corps Associates corps

Category:Paleontology portal

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 13#Category:Paleontology portal

16th century in the Mughal Empire

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:47, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated year and decade categories, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:19, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:2004 video games with demos

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The result of the discussion was: delete all. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Absolutely not a defining trait. Thousands upon thousands of video games have demos, and none of them are defined by that. I nominated 2004, then noticed the parent and several others. All should go. -- ferret (talk) 13:04, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It would be very sad you you delete :(
Not all games have demos. Thousands? Ok, they are divided by years.
Demo is important - because it freely distributable, and we can download it from some websites. This is imprtant for abandonware, for example Armies of Exigo - you cannot buy this game - we have only torrents or great demo.
And often demos is like a beta version of the game, that looks differently from the release version - this is important for the history and research. I am surprised that you want to delete such category :( Vitaly Zdanevich (talk) 16:35, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Because it is not a defining trait of the games. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. -- ferret (talk) 17:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment -I assume all of the additional subcats of Category:Video games with demos should be deleted as well? (Oinkers42) (talk) 02:13, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes -- ferret (talk) 04:55, 30 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I will tag all of the subcategories; if there is no further participation in a week we should be all set for deleting them.
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Category:Studies of right-wing politics

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 13#Category:Studies of right-wing politics

Category:Disasters in Philippines by province or territory

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The result of the discussion was: delete. No reason to keep this open. Liz Read! Talk! 05:09, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Disasters in Philippines by province or territory to Category:Disasters in Philippines by province
Nominator's rationale: The Philippines has no "territories" to speak of, as every square inch of the country is incorporated (i.e., there is no "unincorporated area" or unorganized areas). Howard the Duck (talk) 01:44, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Delete?
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Category:Arab-American gangs

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Arab gangs. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:48, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation between articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:27, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Category:Arab gangs instead. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:33, 7 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Companies that operate fighter jets

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 13#Category:Companies that operate fighter jets

Category:Arab gangs

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Category:Wikipedians in Ngong Hills

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:49, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: No other user pages in the parent category mention this location. – Fayenatic London 10:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Scholars of Greek language

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 13#Category:Scholars of Greek language

Category:Eastern Europe in fiction

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The result of the discussion was: merge articles. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:48, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Extremely WP:ARBITRARYCAT (really; read the category description). Indirect follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 27#Category:Video games set in Northern Europe (upmerged). Note: the "by country" child categories do not have to be upmerged; they are already in Category:Europe in fiction by country. Child category about video games has also been nominated for upmerging. NLeeuw (talk) 09:38, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Swingin' Utters

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:50, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Insufficient content for WP:EPONYMOUS category. – Fayenatic London 09:37, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Video games set in Eastern Europe

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The result of the discussion was: manually merge. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:50, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT. Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 August 27#Category:Video games set in Northern Europe (upmerged). Note: the "by country" child categories do not have to be upmerged; they are already in Category:Video games set in Europe by country. NLeeuw (talk) 09:33, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Eastern European restaurants

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT, unnecessary grouping of 3 restaurants which are already in the Russian, Ukrainian and Polish restaurants trees. I recommend Just Delete, there's no point in merging. NLeeuw (talk) 09:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Central European art groups

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT. There doesn't seem to be anything particularly "Central European" to the articles in this group. Some things are Czech, some Swiss, one German, one Austrian, one Swiss-Austrian and one Luxemburgish, but that's it. The contents do not suggest a larger "Central European" scope, let alone that the category has properly defined its scope. According to several definitions, Luxembourg and Switzerland belong to "Western Europe", while Czechia belongs to "Eastern Europe". The present grouping seems WP:OR. Upmerging to "Europe" resolves the arbitrariness. NLeeuw (talk) 05:18, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Central European cuisine

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Just delete per WP:OVERLAPCAT. Main article Central European cuisine is already in parent Category:European cuisine and all subcategories just duplicate Category:European cuisine by country. NLeeuw (talk) 05:07, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:National Heroes of North Korea

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Heroes of the Republic (North Korea). (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:52, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:National Heroes of North Korea to Category:Heroes of the Republic
Nominator's rationale: Main article: Hero of the Republic. Not sure what the best name for this category is; should it specify North Korea in parentheses? I don't think "National" should be a part of the title; there doesn't seem to be any indication that it is in either Korean or English. toobigtokale (talk) 21:35, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename or delete?
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Same question: rename or delete?
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Category:1990s Japanese superhero films

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. As Liz says. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 19:52, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Why do we need this which has only a few entries? All content has been transferred to Category:Japanese superhero films and Category:1990s Japanese films. Kailash29792 (talk) 04:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See other similar cats. Again, 2 subcats and 3 articles does not strike me as an indecently low number: 'Categories which intersect two (or more) topics or characteristics can result in very narrow categories with few members. Such categories should only be created when both parent categories are large enough for diffusion to be an option, and when similar intersections can be made for related categories.' That seems to be the case here and up-merge seems unnecessary.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 12:27, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Lapinjärvi (municipality)

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit! 21:56, 23 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Lapinjärvi (municipality) to Category:Lapinjärvi, Finland
Nominator's rationale: Renamed the main article Lapinjärvi, Finland. Peltimikko (talk) 17:48, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Revert article rename, it is unnecessary to add ", Finland", there is no ambiguity and other municipalities in Category:Municipalities of Eastern Uusimaa do not have this addition either. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:46, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with Marco; keep this category and per WP:BOLDMOVE (If you disagree with a prior bold move, and the new title has not been in place for a long time, you may revert the move yourself) I have undone the move. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 02:11, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • There ARE other municipilities with added ”, Finland” in Category:Cities and towns in Finland, such as Nokia, Finland or Rauma, Finland or Outokumpu, Finland. Only Lapinjärvi is ”(municipality)”. Peltimikko (talk) 03:56, 24 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Let's see if the RM concludes as moved, or if there is consensus to rename here.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Justarandomamerican (talk) Have a good day! 01:55, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If I may make a suggestion to the closer, I think closing this as no consensus is the best way forward. All of the above comments will be irrelevant once the RM is closed, and therefore a fresh discussion will be more productive than trying to continue this one. HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 18:58, 15 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in New Caledonia

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 13#Category:19th-century Roman Catholic church buildings in New Caledonia

Category:Wikipedians with autism

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Autistic Wikipedians. (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 22:55, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is about Person-first/identity-first language.

For many conditions/disabilities/traits, the use of person-first language is preferred or there is no consensus. This was also true in the past for autistic people. However, within the last few years, particularly since the rise of the Autism_rights_movement and its focus on self-advocacy, use of identity-first language has become much more preferred and prominent among people who are actually autistic.

While neurotypical people have no consensus on person-first or identity-first language, this category is used specifically by people who are actually autistic. So, in order to better represent people who self-identify with the category, it would be better for it to be named "Autistic Wikipedians".

A notable American organisation supporting person-first language is Autism Speaks. However, Autism Speaks has been criticised and boycott by the autism rights movement because it does not reflect the needs or desires of self-advocating autistic people.

References within Wikipedia articles

References from reliable sources

This article shows autistic people generally prefer identity-first language, while other people who aren't autistic may prefer person-first language or may have no preference. Since this category is about Wikipedians who are autistic self-identifying, it makes sense to use identity-first language. This is more likely to respect the identity of the people in the category.

Alternatives considered

  • No change: "Category:Autistic Wikipedians" is a redirect to "Category:Wikipedians with autism". It is not possible for Wikipedians to add the "Autistic Wikipedians" category to their user page. This is because bots will edit their user page to "Category:Wikipedians with autism" in an attempt to "fix" the redirect.
  • Another name: As per the Australian paper, the term "Person on the Autism Spectrum" was most consistently ranked and offended the fewest people, though it wasn't the most preferred term as frequently as "Autistic Person".

While "Autistic Person" may not appeal to every single person who self-identifies as autistic, it overall has greater appeal in English-speaking communities than "Person with autism". CauliflowerMoon (talk) 09:35, 28 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support making a change. My impression has been that the general preference in the community is to use Identity first language rather than person first language. Annoyingly, I could have sworn that the APA style guide used autism as an example for identity first preference... but it seems I was either misremembering or it was changed [1]. One core tenent that I think is extremely applicable from the APA guide: "Use person-first or identity-first language as is appropriate for the community or person being discussed. The language used should be selected with the understanding that disabled people's expressed preferences regarding identification supersede matters of style. " I think creating three categories with a user box template could be a workable solution. We could have the main category be: Category:Wikipedians on the Autism Spectrum, and have two child categories with Category:Autistic Wikipedians and Category:Wikipedians with autism. Mason (talk) 00:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Mixed Do whatever you want. But this seems a little bit pointless to me, maybe that's just me. As an autistic person myself i don't care what happens, both seem fine to me AuroraANovaUma (talk) 23:41, 6 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Emigrants from British North America

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) HouseBlaster (talk · he/him) 23:30, 12 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. There's only one category in here, whish isn't helpful for navigation. Also a followup to Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_March_24 Mason (talk) 01:49, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. As in the previous discussion, I would be ok with a follow-up proposal to rename pre-confederation Canada to British North America. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:48, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Australian association football cup seasons

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. @GiantSnowman, you may wish to start a new nomination. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkltalk 20:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Suggesting rename for consistency with Category:Soccer cup competitions in Australia. – Fayenatic London 16:46, 20 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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