Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 13
August 13
Category:Portrait paintings of British Prime Ministers
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Portrait paintings of British Prime Ministers to Category:Portrait paintings of prime ministers of the United Kingdom
- Nominator's rationale: All prime ministers of the United Kingdom. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 22:25, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Rename for consistency with Category:Prime ministers of the United Kingdom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Cultural depictions of British prime ministers
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Cultural depictions of British prime ministers to Category:Cultural depictions of prime ministers of the United Kingdom
- Nominator's rationale: Consistency with Cultural depictions of prime ministers of the United Kingdom. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 22:24, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Rename for consistency with Category:Prime ministers of the United Kingdom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:21, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Nelson University
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:04, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Southwestern Assemblies of God University to Category:Nelson University
- Propose renaming Category:Southwestern Assemblies of God University people to Category:Nelson University people
- Propose renaming Category:Southwestern Assemblies of God University alumni to Category:Nelson University alumni
- Propose renaming Category:Southwestern Assemblies of God Lions to Category:Nelson Lions
- Propose renaming Category:Southwestern Assemblies of God Lions athletes to Category:Nelson Lions athletes
- Propose renaming Category:Southwestern Assemblies of God Lions coaches to Category:Nelson Lions coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Southwestern Assemblies of God Lions football to Category:Nelson Lions football
- Propose renaming Category:Southwestern Assemblies of God Lions football coaches to Category:Nelson Lions football coaches
- Propose renaming Category:Southwestern Assemblies of God Lions football players to Category:Nelson Lions football players
- Propose renaming Category:Southwestern Assemblies of God Lions men's soccer to Category:Nelson Lions men's soccer
- Propose renaming Category:Southwestern Assemblies of God Lions men's soccer players to Category:Nelson Lions men's soccer players
- Nominator's rationale: Southwestern Assemblies of God University has been renamed at Nelson University as of August 1, 2024. Jweiss11 (talk) 21:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. Categories should reflect the page name. Relinus (talk) 02:18, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support. per nom. Thetreesarespeakingtome (talk) 02:48, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support but Leave Redirects Reliable sources are going to list the old name of the college forever, so let's leave redirects at least to the biography subcats. - RevelationDirect (talk) 14:35, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:1960s in Saxony
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:06, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:1960s in Saxony to Category:20th century in Saxony
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated category containing only 1961 F-84 Thunderstreak incident, which is in more useful categories already e.g. 1961 in East Germany. The only other page I found that could be added is Biathlon World Championships 1967 which is already in the target and 1967 in East German sport. – Fayenatic London 21:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:32, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Virtua Fighter characters
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:06, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Virtua Fighter characters to Category:Virtua Fighter
- Nominator's rationale: Category only had one article, Sarah Bryant (Virtua Fighter), which I had already moved out. I cannot, however, move out the redirect category. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:40, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, redundant category layer. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:56, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Currently unnecessary to separate. QuicoleJR (talk) 13:12, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:The Legend of Sword and Fairy characters
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge and rename. (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit (talk) 18:13, 22 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:The Legend of Sword and Fairy characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:The Legend of Sword and Fairy 1 characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:The Legend of Sword and Fairy 2 characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:The Legend of Sword and Fairy 4 characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:The Legend of Sword and Fairy 5 characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:The Legend of Sword and Fairy 5 Prequel characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:The Legend of Sword and Fairy 6 characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Chinese Paladin 3 characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Chinese Paladin 3 Gaiden: Wenqing Pian characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: All of these categories solely consist of redirects. (Oinkers42) (talk) 17:27, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. This is not helpful for navigation at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:58, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and rename to Category:The Legend of Sword and Fairy character redirects to lists within Category:Video game character redirects to lists. – Fayenatic London 21:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and rename Per Fayenatic London. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:24, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- If not deleted then merge and rename is also a possibility. I'd be curieus to learn how these redirects categories are being used. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:42, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Intel people
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 21#Category:Intel people
Category:Events at Madison Square Garden
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:08, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Events at Madison Square Garden (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Boxing matches at Madison Square Garden (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Ultimate Fighting Championship events at Madison Square Garden (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCVENUE which explicitly mentions these categories as an example which should be avoided "Likewise, avoid categorizing events by their hosting locations. Many notable locations (e.g. Madison Square Garden) have hosted so many sports events and conventions over time that categories listing all such events would not be readable." A previous discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_30#Category:Madison_Square_Garden resulted in it being purged with similar subcategories being deleted. Flibirigit (talk) 16:22, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support as the nominator of the previous discussion. Since there is no consensus to alter OCVENUE, it should be enforced.--User:Namiba 16:42, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Shouldn't most subcats of Category:Events by venue also be removed by the same logic? I'm also trying to understand the reasoning behind WP:OCVENUE, which says not to do this because the category would be too big. I don't think the category would become overly large because the vast majority of MSG events do not have a dedicated Wikipedia page. If it did become too large, segmenting by year / decade seems to make more sense than deleting the category? --Habst (talk) 18:34, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- In the previous deletion dicsussion, there were more bloated subcats including conferences and conventions, in addition to many sporting events such as boxing, UFC, wrestling, and so forth. Flibirigit (talk) 19:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit, thanks, what do you think about adding the "Events at..." subcats of Category:Events by venue to this discussion as well? --Habst (talk) 20:17, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Probably better to start a separate discussion. This nomination began because of the previous discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_June_30#Category:Madison_Square_Garden . Flibirigit (talk) 21:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Flibirigit, thanks, what do you think about adding the "Events at..." subcats of Category:Events by venue to this discussion as well? --Habst (talk) 20:17, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Yes they should be deleted. We don't sort events by venue for the same reason we don't sort performers by performance WP:PERFCAT.--User:Namiba 16:08, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- In the previous deletion dicsussion, there were more bloated subcats including conferences and conventions, in addition to many sporting events such as boxing, UFC, wrestling, and so forth. Flibirigit (talk) 19:28, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Strongly oppose We just had this discussion which regards to Boxing matches and I stand by that precedent. Sam11333 (talk) 10:54, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:03, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per precedent from just a few weeks ago. The guideline has no rational basis. PERFCAT is not an apt comparison, because a performer has many performances, while a boxing match has only one venue. Toohool (talk) 04:50, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging participants from the previous CfD: @Sam11333, RevelationDirect, and Rlendog: Toohool (talk) 04:53, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose We agree that "place" is defining and the way we handle larger categories is through diffusion so, while Plattsburgh (town), New York barely justifies 1 category, New York City has many place-based subcats to aid navigation: Category:42nd Street (Manhattan), Category:Rockefeller Center, Category:People from Roosevelt Island, Category:Music of Harlem, Category:Grand Central Terminal, Category:Central Park, Category:Parades in New York City, Category:Columbia University campus,Category:Drinking establishments in Greenwich Village, Category:Public middle schools in Brooklyn, Category:Novels set in Manhattan, Category:Whitney Museum of American Art, Category:Scientists from the Bronx, and Category:Restaurants in Queens. And none of those are WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS from my perspective; those are all defining and helpful for navigation as are the MSG ones. WP:OCVENUE warns abot categories that are too large to navigate and the nominated ones don't have that problem; in fact they break up large city categories. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:35, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per RevelationDirect. Rlendog (talk) 21:55, 17 August 2024 (UTC)
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Characters in Greek mythology by location
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 26#Characters in Greek mythology by location
Category:Mirai (band)
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:08, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category for a band, with no other content but the eponym. As always, bands can have a dedicated category if they have a significant volume of spinoff content besides just their main article, but do not automatically get one just to hold their main article and nothing else -- but there's absolutely nothing else that can be filed here, as even their albums don't have separate articles at all. Bearcat (talk) 12:16, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Speedy delete per WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:11, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:NUMTOT Wikipedians
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 21#Category:NUMTOT Wikipedians
Category:Black MIDI enthusiasts
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Wikipedians interested in music. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:10, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Overly narrow user category per WP:USERCATNO. Mclay1 (talk) 11:46, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Wikipedian musicians. – Fayenatic London 22:35, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge or delete, I am in doubt between the two because it is not entirely clear to me if Black midi enthusiasts are musicians indeed. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:40, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Good point. I was going by the current parent category, but Category:Wikipedians interested in music would be a closer match with what is stated on userbox {{User black midi}}. – Fayenatic London 17:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree that this is a better merge target. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Agree with merge. Mclay1 (talk) 01:00, 20 August 2024 (UTC)
- Good point. I was going by the current parent category, but Category:Wikipedians interested in music would be a closer match with what is stated on userbox {{User black midi}}. – Fayenatic London 17:44, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Beijing Municipal Committee of the Chinese Communist Party
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 22#Category:Beijing Municipal Committee of the Chinese Communist Party
Category:Footballers from Paillaco
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Footballers from Paillaco to Category:People from Paillaco
- Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry.
Note- This is also the only entry in 'Sportspeople from Paillaco'. If this category is deleted, it would save time to bypass Sportspeople otherwise another CFD would be needed. Lost in Quebec (talk) 08:49, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom, this is not helpful for navigation between related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:31, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Journalists from the Northern Territory
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 24#Category:Journalists from the Northern Territory
Category:Wars involving Seychelles
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Military history of Seychelles. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, the category only contains a redirect and it is not clearly about a war anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:13, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Military history of Seychelles. I have moved the categories from the redirect Jean-Baptiste Queau de Quincy to a new redirect Seychelles capitulation. There were conflicts, and in September 1801 a sea battle, but "wars" is overstated. – Fayenatic London 22:00, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- With the new redirect a merge is perfectly fine. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:48, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Former voivodeships of Grand Duchy of Lithuania
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 03:11, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Former voivodeships of Grand Duchy of Lithuania to Category:Voivodeships of the Grand Duchy of Lithuania
- Nominator's rationale: rename, "former" is redundant because the Grand Duchy of Lithuania no longer exists. Adding "the", similar to e.g. Category:Battles involving the Grand Duchy of Lithuania. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:02, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Antisemitism in China
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 26#Category:Antisemitism in China
Category:Dominican Republic slaves
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Caribbean slaves and Category:Slavery in the Dominican Republic. – Fayenatic London 17:34, 16 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Recently created 1-article category Gjs238 (talk) 15:05, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. This is part of the Category:Caribbean slaves tree.--User:Namiba 16:00, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Changing my position to merge to Category:Caribbean slaves and Category:Slavery in the Dominican Republic.--User:Namiba 11:01, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge. This is part of the Category:Caribbean slaves tree.--User:Namiba 16:00, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge for now, to the parent categories, without objection to recreate the category when more articles are available. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:42, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Queen of Hearts (talk) 02:08, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge to parent categories. Gjs238 (talk) 12:06, 13 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Edo
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 22#Category:Edo