Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 21
July 21
Category:Lists of tennis commentators
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit! 16:03, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Lists of tennis commentators to Category:Lists of announcers of American sports events
- Nominator's rationale: Only one article in the category, upmerge to the parent category. Let'srun (talk) 22:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also to Category:Tennis commentators. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:10, 22 July 2024 (UTC)
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German Confederation
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit! 16:04, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:1815 in Germany to Category:1815 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1816 in Germany to Category:1816 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1817 in Germany to Category:1817 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1818 in Germany to Category:1818 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1819 in Germany to Category:1819 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1820 in Germany to Category:1820 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1821 in Germany to Category:1821 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1822 in Germany to Category:1822 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1823 in Germany to Category:1823 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1824 in Germany to Category:1824 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1825 in Germany to Category:1825 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1826 in Germany to Category:1826 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1827 in Germany to Category:1827 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1828 in Germany to Category:1828 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1829 in Germany to Category:1829 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1830 in Germany to Category:1830 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1831 in Germany to Category:1831 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1832 in Germany to Category:1832 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1833 in Germany to Category:1833 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1834 in Germany to Category:1834 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1835 in Germany to Category:1835 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1836 in Germany to Category:1836 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1837 in Germany to Category:1837 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1838 in Germany to Category:1838 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1839 in Germany to Category:1839 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1840 in Germany to Category:1840 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1841 in Germany to Category:1841 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1842 in Germany to Category:1842 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1843 in Germany to Category:1843 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1844 in Germany to Category:1844 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1845 in Germany to Category:1845 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1846 in Germany to Category:1846 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1847 in Germany to Category:1847 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1848 in Germany to Category:1848 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1849 in Germany to Category:1849 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1850 in Germany to Category:1850 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1851 in Germany to Category:1851 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1852 in Germany to Category:1852 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1853 in Germany to Category:1853 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1854 in Germany to Category:1854 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1855 in Germany to Category:1855 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1856 in Germany to Category:1856 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1857 in Germany to Category:1857 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1858 in Germany to Category:1858 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1859 in Germany to Category:1859 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1860 in Germany to Category:1860 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1861 in Germany to Category:1861 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1862 in Germany to Category:1862 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1863 in Germany to Category:1863 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1864 in Germany to Category:1864 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1865 in Germany to Category:1865 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1866 in Germany to Category:1866 in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1820s in Germany to Category:1820s in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1830s in Germany to Category:1830s in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1840s in Germany to Category:1840s in the German Confederation
- Propose renaming Category:1850s in Germany to Category:1850s in the German Confederation
- Nominator's rationale: rename, there was no unified German country until 1871. The German Confederation (1815-1866) was a loose connection of independent states which also included Austria and Bohemia. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- This is follow-up on this earlier discussion, @PearlyGigs and Fayenatic london: pinging contributors to this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:52, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Rename all per above and 10 July discussion. Thanks for the ping, Marcocapelle. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:44, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Jewish American slave owners
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit! 16:04, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Jewish American slave owners to Category:American slave owners
- Nominator's rationale: merge per previous precedent here Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Pinging @Marcocapelle and @Smasongarrison from previous Cfd. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:58, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom as long as everyone is already in American Jew category. Mason (talk) 19:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, there were a few which weren't but I've added them to the appropriate subcats of Category:American Jews. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! Mason (talk) 23:26, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, there were a few which weren't but I've added them to the appropriate subcats of Category:American Jews. Omnis Scientia (talk) 23:04, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:13, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle A five minute Google search can show you that the intersection is notable, defining, and widely written about. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 01:40, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge as proposed. OCEGRS definitely applies here. PearlyGigs (talk) 21:51, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- And the fact that the subject of Jewish slave owners is widely written about is irrelevant? Why doesn't that literature and research make the intersection defining? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 01:42, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- Keep The topic of Jews and slavery is widely written about. A cursory look at the category for Category:Judaism and slavery shows that Wikipedia also has a number of articles on the subject. There are plenty of scholarly mentions on Google Scholar and elsewhere. The historical ignorance of deletion-happy editors on the subject is not a good reason to delete this category. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 01:36, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The books confirm that Jews kept slaves just like white people. There is nothing particular Jewish about keeping slaves. A reference to WP:TRIVIALCAT may have been more accurate. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- I agree. American slave owners belonged to a range of religions and so religion was not a defining factor. Within OCEGRS, the same applies to ethnicity. Having said that, some of the other sub-categories at Category:American slave owners are open to question. PearlyGigs (talk) 07:24, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
- The books confirm that Jews kept slaves just like white people. There is nothing particular Jewish about keeping slaves. A reference to WP:TRIVIALCAT may have been more accurate. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:55, 23 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Jewish businesspeople
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit! 16:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: My speedy delete nomination was declined [1] (Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2008_July_8) because there have been more recent mixed opinions of the intersection of being Jewish and several occupations (e.g., Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2020_May_14#Category:Jewish_merchants; Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_August_29#Category:Jewish_sportspeople; link:for a search of CFDS with the word Jewish, sorted by most recent);Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_July_12#Category:Jewish_British_slave_owners). I think that this category is problematic under WP:EGRS given that it is primarily based on a stereotype rather than a defining intersection. I recall that several business-related child categories have been deleted over the same concern. (I think that Jewish Bankers is an exception because of the historical context of banking in Europe being a non-Christian occupation because of usury) Mason (talk) 16:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia, do you remember with business occupations were recently deleted? (My brain is telling me that you were in those conversations.)Mason (talk) 16:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, no I wasn't but I would say this one should be deleted. A lot of Jewish businesspeople, historically speaking, so WP:EGRS applies. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks! (Lol, my bad. I should clearly stop listening to my brain 🤣 for advice!) Mason (talk) 19:27, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, no I wasn't but I would say this one should be deleted. A lot of Jewish businesspeople, historically speaking, so WP:EGRS applies. Omnis Scientia (talk) 18:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- @Omnis Scientia, do you remember with business occupations were recently deleted? (My brain is telling me that you were in those conversations.)Mason (talk) 16:57, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCEGRS. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:14, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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- Comment for posterity. Here is the CFD I was thinking of. Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_October_1#Category:Jewish_British_television_people, and @Omnis Scientia was definitely not a part of it. Mason (talk) 20:41, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- @Smasongarrison, oh that's long before I even knew how the hell categories even worked!
Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:55, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
- Lol, it also says a lot about my definition of recent 🤣 Mason (talk) 20:57, 5 August 2024 (UTC)
Fire temples
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit! 16:05, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Fire temples in Azerbaijan to Category:Fire temples and Category:Religious buildings and structures in Azerbaijan
- Propose merging Category:Fire temples in Georgia (country) to Category:Fire temples and Category:Temples in Georgia (country)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:SMALLCAT, 1 and 2 members respectively. Both were created by an editor who was subsequently blocked for WP:SOCKING. – Fayenatic London 14:25, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, while WP:SMALLCAT is inactive as a guideline, this size of categories is obviously not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:56, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Korean women independence activists
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 30#Category:Korean women independence activists
Category:Battles of the Venetian–Genoese wars
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 29#Category:Battles of the Venetian–Genoese wars
History of Great Britain by period
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 29#History of Great Britain by period
Category:Cathedrals in Baku
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- The result of the discussion was: merge HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 23:56, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Cathedrals in Baku to Category:Cathedrals in Azerbaijan and Category:Churches in Baku
- Nominator's rationale: merge, Category:Cathedrals in Azerbaijan is otherwise nearly empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:31, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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Armenian Catholic churches
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 July 29#Armenian Catholic churches
Category:Oriental Orthodox monasteries in Azerbaijan
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) ToadetteEdit! 16:07, 29 July 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Oriental Orthodox monasteries in Azerbaijan to Category:Christian monasteries in Azerbaijan
- Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary layer. Contains Armenian Apostolic sub-cat, and 1 page Yerits Mankants Monastery which says it was affiliated with Armenian Apostolic Church. Move page into subcat and upmerge. The other parent Category:Oriental Orthodox monasteries by country already holds the subcat via Category:Armenian Apostolic monasteries by country, so a dual merge is not needed. – Fayenatic London 08:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. I have already moved the article to the subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:08, 21 July 2024 (UTC)
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