Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 15

May 15

Category:Unreal Engine 5 games

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Category:Ministerial departments of the Sierra Leone Government

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Ministerial departments of the Sierra Leone Government to Category:Government departments of Sierra Leone
Propose merging Category:Non-ministerial departments of the Sierra Leone Government to Category:Government departments of Sierra Leone

Nominator's rationale: Non-defining distinction that doesn't help navigation Mason (talk) 20:14, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:44, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Oxford University Press Delegate

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Category:Block books

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:10, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Block books (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This category is not helpful navigation. It contains the epon article and one book. As described on the category page, this does not seem like a defining feature... "Block books or blockbooks, also called xylographica, are short books of up to 50 leaves, block printed in Europe in the second half of the 15th century as woodcuts with blocks carved to include both text (usually) and illustrations." Mason (talk) 20:01, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. There is no need to merge, both articles are already in the tree of Category:15th-century books. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:53, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Ipswich town preachers

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Category:Categories without CatAutoTOC and friends

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Category:Georgetown College (Kentucky)

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Georgetown College. Unopposed for two weeks. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 17:40, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Georgetown College (Kentucky) to Category:Georgetown College

Nominator's rationale: In line with the main article, Georgetown College. Graham (talk) 02:08, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Deaths from food poisoning

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Deaths from foodborne illnesses * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:45, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Deaths from food poisoning to Category:Deaths by food poisoning

Nominator's rationale: Conflict in naming conventions between Category:Deaths from digestive disease and Category:Deaths from infectious disease; and Category:Deaths by poisoning. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 20:45, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose – I think we mostly use "deaths by" for intentional killings, "deaths from" or "deaths due to" where there was no intention. The current name seems to be natural English, but Category:Deaths due to food poisoning sounds OK as an alternative. – Fayenatic London 10:50, 1 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose per Fayenatic. Split in intentional and unintentional deaths (discuss catnames). Food poisoning or foodborne illness is something which happens by accident, due to carelessness or lack of knowledge or diligence in preparing food before consuming it. I've never seen intentional killings described as "food poisoning", even if the method used was to poison someone's food (food or drink is by far the most common means of getting lethal poison into someone's body while covering the perpetrator's traces). It might be better to Rename to Category:Deaths from foodborne illnesses to align with the main article foodborne illness, and because the present continuous poisoning is ambiguous, as it can be both understood as passive (unintentional) and active (deliberate). It should then also be Re-parented to Category:Deaths from disease. However, for those deaths caused by intentionally poisoned foods or drinks, it might be better to create a separate category. Given sibling Category:Victims of intentional poisonings, I believe we need to have the word "intentional" in the catname, for clear distinction from foodborne illnesses. Something like Category:Deaths by intentional food poisonings? However we formulate it, I would recommend a Template:Category see also in the catdescs of both cats after the split to help readers and editors find what they are looking for. NLeeuw (talk) 14:44, 8 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @Fayenatic london and LaundryPizza03: thoughts? House Blaster (talk · he/him) 01:09, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Sound s good, except the parent should be Category:Deaths from foodborne illness. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:19, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Nederlandse Leeuw: does this work for you? House Blaster (talk · he/him) 17:46, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Yes! NLeeuw (talk) 17:48, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename and redirect to Category:Deaths from foodborne illnesses. I don't object strongly to the singular "from foodborne illness", but that lead article refers multiple times to "illnesses" and there is a parent Category:Foodborne illnesses. Replace subcat relationship with two-way "see also" links to Category:Deaths by poisoning, which is where deliberate cases belong. Split to that category rather than a new one, as I'm not convinced that the use of food as the vector is WP:DEFINING to a poisoning. The sweets poisoning cases belong there, even 1858 Bradford sweets poisoning in which food was accidentally contaminated with a poison. IMHO, deaths by foodborne illnesses should be restricted to infections (bacteria, viruses, prions) rather than toxins. – Fayenatic London 11:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Comments on FL's proposal would be appreciated :)
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Rename and redirect to Category:Deaths from foodborne illnesses in order to distinguish the category more clearly from Category:Deaths by poisoning. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:27, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- @LaundryPizza03 and Nederlandse Leeuw: thoughts? House Blaster (talk · he/him) 18:22, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Agreed! NLeeuw (talk) 18:31, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Accewptable. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 15:32, 28 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:American people of Arab descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete. This is a classic WP:1AM scenario; after extended discussion Bohemian Baltimore has not convinced anyone to support their position. I will also remind participants on both sides that this is a content form, and as such comments about other editors and their actions/good faith/etc. are not helpful and impede the consensus process. (non-admin closure) House Blaster (talk · he/him) 23:21, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:American people of Arab descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Arab Americans (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Arab American politicians (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Empty category, fork of the Category:American people of Middle Eastern descent. Aldij (talk) 15:34, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all, the single article is already in Category:American politicians of Lebanese descent and it isn't even about someone of Arab descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle Apparently this category was deleted previously. Where is the deletion discussion for that? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:55, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle Never mind. I found it. As I expected, a quickie deletion with very little input and seemingly no input from Arabs. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:57, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I would like to register my shock and disbelief that Arab American and Arab diaspora categories are slowly and systematically being deleted across Wikipedia, often with little input (from anyone, let alone Arabs). It is a massive erasure of Arabs and Arab Americans. I do regard it as unjust, rash, and enormously racist. These are major changes and there needs to be major discussion. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 10:44, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It has nothing to do with racism. Arab descent is difficult to verify because they are the majority ethnicity of the Middle East and North Africa. Sources are more explicit about minorities. Likewise we do not categorize people by European-American descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:13, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle "Arab descent is difficult to verify". Really? Is it difficult to verify that "a proud and unapologetic Arab American woman" such as Rashida Tlaib is Arab? Is it a mystery whether John Sununu ("I'm proud of my heritage as an Arab American") was an Arab? Is it a secret that Casey Kasem was proudly Arab? Arab Americans are a minority in the US; being an Arab American is not at all the same as being a European-American. "Arab American" is a real minority identity in the US, and not all Arab Americans identify with Orientalist terminology like "Middle Eastern". Unlike other minorities like Native Americans or Jewish Americans or African Americans, who do have categories, all the Arab categories are being deleted lest a few people from the Arab world be from non-Arab backgrounds. The categories weren't even sorted, so someone like Rashida Tlaib wasn't placed into the category for Category:American politicians of Arab descent. The category was simply deleted. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 11:48, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- The proper analogy is between people of Arab descent in the United States and people of European-American descent in Australia. We are talking about people who descend from ancestors who were in the majority in another part of the world. Another example is people of Han Chinese descent in Germany, which we do not do either. In most cases we just have the ancestor's nationality anyway, Egyptian or Lebanese or whatever. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:07, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  There's a vast body of literature and research about "Arab Americans". There are numerous organizations, events, celebrations, and so forth that are explicitly Arab-American. Multiple state Democratic parties have an Arab caucus. There's no such parallel with "Han Americans". That comparison makes no sense. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 12:54, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  That just proves that there is sufficient content for the topic Arab American. It does not prove that someone of Lebanese descent is automatically also of Arab descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:52, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  We must immediately purge and delete all of the Hispanic/Latino categories. Category:American politicians of Mexican descent must be removed from its parent category, Category:Hispanic and Latino American politicians. Think about all those Nahuas and Oaxacans and Mormons and Plautdietsch-speaking Mennonites who might be miscategorized. Or do we only apply such micro-scrutiny to Arabs? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Bohemian Baltimore, Mexican is a nationality like Egyptian and Tusinian is a nationality. Arab is not. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:12, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  Hispanic or Latino isn't a nationality either. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 01:02, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  @Bohemian Baltimore, neither is "Middle Eastern" or "North African" which is why those are container categories for countries in those regions like "Hispanic and Latino". Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:46, 19 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Smasongarrison and Omnis Scientia: pinging contributors to previous discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:03, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all per nom. "Middle Eastern" is more appropriate and inclusive than "Arab" and still includes Arab nationalities as well which are NOT being erased at all. The article "Arab Americans" also notes that people who are seen as "Arab Americans" may actually not be ethnically Arab but rather from Arab countries and of non-Arab ethnicity. Omnis Scientia (talk) 11:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Omnis Scientia Not all Arab Americans are Middle Eastern, nor do all Arab Americans from Western Asia identify with Western-centric terms like "Middle Eastern". Arab-American is a legitimate identity and culture in the US. Nor does this argument explain why, say, individual Arab American politicians couldn't be placed into the category for American politicians of Arab descent, which was simply purged and deleted. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 11:52, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bohemian Baltimore, do you not think the "Arab world" is also a Western-centric phrase as well? Because "people of Arab descent" in these categories weren't necessarily ethnically Arab, they were from Arab countries. I think they would describe themselves as being from whichever country they came from. You gave the example of Rashida Tlaib. She calls herself "Palestinian American". Same is the case with Ilhan Omar who is "Somalian American". Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:26, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Omnis Scientia I can quite confidently assert that the Arab League is an Arab invention, not a Western invention. To be more specific than "Western-centric", the term is certainly Orientalist; east of what? As I previously asked, why were the categories deleted rather than individual verifiable Arabs placed into the categories? We don't delete all the Hispanic/Latino categories in the US because, well, maybe not everyone of Latin American origins self-identifies as Hispanic or Latino (maybe that person from Mexico identifies as an Aztec or a Russian Mennonite), and besides, Hispanics are the majority in Latin America anyway, so Hispanics aren't really a minority group in the US. Only Arabs seem to earn this sort of pedantry. I don't see anyone nominating Category:Hispanic and Latino American politicians for deletion lest we possibly offend Plautdietsch or Kʼicheʼ sensibilities. Arab American identity exists and is socially and politically relevant in the US, regardless of how others may feel. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 12:53, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bohemian Baltimore, we aren't deleting that because "Hispanic and Latino" is a container for Latin and Hispanic American countries like "Middle Eastern" and "North African" is to Arab nations. Also why do you think Latin Americans aren't a minority in the United States? An odd thing to say. Omnis Scientia (talk) 12:58, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Read it again. Arabs and Latinos are both minorities in the US. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:06, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Hispanic and Latino Americans" are a container group for people from Latin American countries just like "Middle Eastern Americans" are a container group for people from Middle Eastern countries. Stop engaging in such bad faith arguments. Omnis Scientia (talk) 15:10, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Omnis Scientia Please, Wikipedia:Assume good faith. Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 03:34, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Bohemian Baltimore, I did and I still am - I understand where you're coming from as well. I just feel your "Let's delete Latino categories" argument is not in good faith. Its not the point of what we're discussing here. Omnis Scientia (talk) 09:09, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not to mention they are two different groups of people with two different types of history so your example amounts to false equivalence. Omnis Scientia (talk) 13:00, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
And the rest of what I said? Bohemian Baltimore (talk) 13:08, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Central African Republic people

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Category:Caucasus Jews

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Category:British people of Tajik descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:21, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:British people of Tajik descent to Category:People of Tajik descent

Nominator's rationale: 1 article category Gjs238 (talk) 12:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Clearly part of a detailed and comprehensive category tree. No purpose whatsoever served by deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or delete, the article is already in Category:Uzbekistani emigrants to the United Kingdom where it properly belongs. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:51, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- It is, but she was born in Uzbekistan of Tajik descent, so this category is also appropriate, since she is indeed a British person of Tajik descent. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:13, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - It's still a 1-article category. Gjs238 (talk) 12:42, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Then merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:20, 14 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge/delete. Being "Clearly part of a detailed and comprehensive category tree". is not a sufficiently good reason to keep a category. It rewards categories that are old, rather than categories that are useful. Mason (talk) 12:53, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/delete: 1-article category Gjs238 (talk) 14:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Canadian people of Tajik descent

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:20, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Canadian people of Tajik descent to Category:People of Tajik descent

Nominator's rationale: 1 article category Gjs238 (talk) 12:52, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Clearly part of a detailed and comprehensive category tree. No purpose whatsoever served by deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or delete, the category does not contain any biography. The topic article is already in Category:Asian diaspora in Canada where it properly belongs. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:45, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge/delete. Being "Clearly part of a detailed and comprehensive category tree". is not a sufficiently good reason to keep a category. It rewards categories that are old, rather than categories that are useful. Mason (talk) 12:53, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/delete: 1-article category Gjs238 (talk) 14:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:People of West Asian descent

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Note: the nominator has been blocked as a sockpuppet of Dolyn. – Fayenatic London 16:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:People of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Argentine people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Brazilian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Canadian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Chinese people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Croatian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Egyptian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Emirati people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Ethiopian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Filipino people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:German people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Iraqi people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Israeli people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Japanese people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Jordanian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Kuwaiti people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Lebanese people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Libyan people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Omani people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Peruvian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Polish people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Saudi Arabian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Serbian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:South African people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Swedish people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Syrian people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:Turkish people of West Asian descent (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:West Asian diaspora in Israel (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:West Asian diaspora in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Propose deleting Category:West Asian diaspora (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: This category tree is not needed. Western Asia is often conflated with the Middle East. Western Asia includes the South Caucasus but does not include Egypt (outside the Sinai Peninsula) and Turkish Thrace (geographically in Southeast Europe). Now "West Asian descent" categories merely serve as containers for "Middle East descent" and "Caucasus descent." However, these classifications are not entirely accurate. The term "People of Middle East descent" includes individuals from the African part of Egypt and Turkish Thrace in Europe, while "People of Caucasus descent" encompasses individuals from the North Caucasus in Europe. Aldij (talk) 09:55, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Asian parent categories. I agree that West Asia and Middle East are largely overlapping and we do not need both. However, it does not make sense to remove the content from the Asian tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:04, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, merge to Asian parent categories is better. Aldij (talk) 14:07, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Merging to Asian parent categories is my second choice per Marco. NLeeuw (talk) 21:18, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment First, Category:Canadian people of West Asian descent has been emptied. Secondly, if we have categories for South Asia and Southeast Asia, wouldn't it make more sense to keep West Asia and dump the "Middle East" categories instead? They both are a little imprecise but what would make more sense fitting in with the existing geographic categorization? Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:39, 9 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would not oppose that either. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I believe it would be better to merge the category trees of South Asia and Southeast Asia into Asia as well. I will nominate them separately now. Regarding the decision to discard the "Middle East" categories, I'm not certain there is consensus for this, nor am I sure whether I will personally support it. However, perhaps they need to be deleted as well. Aldij (talk) 15:59, 11 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Aldij, I would oppose deletion of "South Asia" categories since that is the region's name. "West Asia" is covered by the "Middle East". Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:34, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There are plenty of locations that could be considered to be in West Asia that are no where near the Middle East, that are on the Europe-Asia border. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:52, 28 May 2024 (UTC)C[reply]

@Liz in principle, I am not opposed to your suggestion of merging the categories of Middle Eastern people into the categories for West Asian people. However, this clearly requires a separate discussion, as the category:Middle Eastern people contains many different subcategories. I fear that the term "Middle East" is more commonly used than "West Asia." In any case, the main point of my proposal, and the most important one, is the unification of the two trees. The specific name chosen is not so important.

P.S. I have only nominated Category:People of West Asian descent so far. Once consensus is reached, I will nominate either the Category:Middle Eastern people tree or the Category:West Asian people tree, depending on the result of this discussion. Aldij (talk) 07:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:1999 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:1999 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2000 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2000 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2001 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2001 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2011 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2011 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2012 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2012 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2013 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2013 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2014 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2014 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2015 IIHF Women's World Championship to Category:2015 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2016 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2016 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2017 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2017 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2018 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2018 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2019 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2019 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2020 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2020 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2021 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2021 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2022 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2022 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2023 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2023 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships
Propose renaming Category:2024 IIHF Women's World Ice Hockey Championships‎ to Category:2024 IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championships

Nominator's rationale: Harmonizing subcategory names in the Category:IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championship. Please see also the previous discussion here. Maiō T. (talk) 17:52, 29 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. The nomenclature aligns with the official name of the tournament as used by the IIHF. Spitzmauskc (talk) 15:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. The naming is unnecessarily redundant. The proposal is equivalent to "1999 International Ice Hockey Federation Ice Hockey Women's World Championships". What logical reason is there to say ice hockey twice? Seems like the parent category should be discussed, not the children. Flibirigit (talk) 11:15, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The IIHF uses "IIHF Ice Hockey Women's World Championship" on all official documentation. I suspect the inclusion of 'Ice Hockey' has its roots in the period during which the IIHF also organized the IIHF Inline Hockey World Championship. While I don’t disagree that the name may read as redundant, I do see value in maintaining the official name and feel the inclusion of 'Ice Hockey' is a helpful indicator for readers who may not be familiar with the IIHF acronym. Spitzmauskc (talk) 19:21, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I've tagged all of the categories and notified the creators.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 17:22, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkl talk 14:44, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Arab diaspora in the Middle East

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Arab diaspora in the Middle East (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: Not all individuals from countries such as Egypt, Iraq, Palestine, Syria, and Lebanon self-identify as Arabs. Therefore, this categorization may be misleading and fail to accurately reflect the diverse ethnic and national identities of people from these regions. Additionally, the term "diaspora" refers to a community of people who live outside their place of origin or ancestry. However, since Arabs are indigenous to the Middle East, the use of "diaspora" in this context can be confusing and inaccurate. Aldij (talk) 09:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom, this ignores the existence of Copts, Druze people, Kurds etc. A merge is not needed because the subcategories are already in Category:Asian diaspora in the Middle East (or African, in the case of Egypt). Marcocapelle (talk) 16:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Mexican people of Arab descent

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:18, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Mexican people of Arab descent to Category:Mexican people of Middle Eastern descent

Nominator's rationale: Small category, I propose to upmerge into category:Mexican people of Middle Eastern descent. Aldij (talk) 09:19, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom, and it is not even sure if these people are of Arab descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:04, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar)

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The result of the discussion was: soft delete. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose deleting Category:Shiromani Akali Dal (Amritsar) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Nominator's rationale: delete, only contains the eponymous article and a subcategory. The subcategory suffices. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:41, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Fiddlers from Sweden

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Fiddlers from Sweden to Category:Swedish fiddlers

Nominator's rationale: I think these categories should be merged because frankly it's confusing to have two swedish categories Mason (talk) 04:55, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:43, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rename of Alien invasions in media et al.

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The result of the discussion was: rename all. @Zxcvbnm, feel free to nominate the "Alien visitations" categories for merging. (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 19:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Alien abduction films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about alien abduction
Propose renaming Category:Alien abduction in novels (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Novels about alien abduction
Propose renaming Category:Alien abduction in television (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Television about alien abduction
Propose renaming Category:Alien abduction in video games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Video games about alien abduction
Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in comics (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Comics about alien invasions
Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about alien invasions
Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about alien invasions
Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in video games (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Video games about alien invasions
Propose renaming Category:Alien visitations in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about alien visitations
Propose renaming Category:Alien visitations in films (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Films about alien visitations
Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in music (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Music about alien invasions
Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in novels (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Novels about alien invasions
Propose renaming Category:Alien invasions in television (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Television about alien invasions
Propose renaming Category:First contact science fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Science fiction about first contact
Propose renaming Category:Roswell incident in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about the Roswell incident
Propose renaming Category:Xenoarchaeology in fiction (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Fiction about xenoarchaeology

Nominator's rationale: Rename per several past renames, in order to make it clear that these categories are for media that are about alien invasions and such, not where such things make potentially trivial appearances. DonIago (talk) 02:31, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Surely we dont want [Category:Alien visitations in fiction] be populated with novels where, like, "Hey Bob, Pete says he was visited by aliens. He must be drinking" - Altenmann >talk
Rename, stressing that it should be a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:45, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename all except "alien visitations", which should be upmerged as overly vague - alien visitation is a disambiguation page. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:13, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If alien visitations is really too vague it should be renamed differently rather than merged. It seems clear enough to me though, taking E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial in mind. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:09, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose: Trivial examples can already be removed with the current names and related guidelines. Cambalachero (talk) 12:57, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see how this is an argument against renaming the categories? This discussion is consistent with multiple recent category renamings as noted in the rationale. A few of them: [1], [2], [3], [4]. DonIago (talk) 13:32, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename all, and I agree with DonIago's comment about how purging doesn't address the question at hand. Mason (talk) 12:55, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Rename all in line with numerous precedents, like that time I launched around 14 bulk nominations of this type. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 18:27, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
14 is pretty impressive, though I'd say 29 is more impressive. Not that it's a competition. ;p DonIago (talk) 13:14, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Comic book editors

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 23#Category:Comic book editors

Category:Franz von Sickingen

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure) Qwerfjkl talk 15:17, 23 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Propose merging Category:Franz von Sickingen to Category:Knights' War

Nominator's rationale: This category only contains the Franz von Sickingen, who was a leader of the Knights' War and the category of the conflict. I think that they should either be merged or this category should be deleted. It really doesn't help navigation. Mason (talk) 00:59, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge per WP:OCEPON. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:27, 15 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom. - Altenmann >talk 22:36, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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