Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 26

November 26

Category:History of transport in Landskrona

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: diffuse. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 04:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: diffuse, except for the one article this isn't really about history of transport. Move the article to Category:Transport in Landskrona and move the ships built subcategory to Category:Economic history of Landskrona. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:48, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I do not think Self-propelled anti-aircraft weapon should be added to Category:Transport in Landskrona or Category:History of transport in Landskrona, if that is what is being suggested. That has barely any connection with the cats. Rest Support per nom. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 14:58, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's most recent comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Further education colleges in Newport, Wales

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The result of the discussion was: triple merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:05, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge also to Category:Buildings and structures in Newport, Wales and Category:Education in Newport, Wales. Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. Better categorised within the parents. AusLondonder (talk) 23:18, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tyrant flycatcher stubs

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Tyrannidae stubs. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:36, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The use of the English name for this category seems silly. Tyrannidae is easier to type out; the template is named Template:Tyrannidae-stub, not Template:Tyrant-flycatcher-stub; everything in this category is supposed to be there because of the template; and most of these categories use the scientific name, including every other subcategory of Category:Tyranni stubs. Grey Clownfish (talk) 06:07, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nom. No need to use English non-scientific name. ~/Bunnypranav:<ping> 15:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Category was not tagged; I will do so. If there are no further comments in a week, we should be all set for renaming.
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Category:Languages written in Latin script

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. (Reading through verdy_p's comment, it appears that they support keeping this category.) HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:07, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nominator's rationale: This category, as one that is a decade old, is not even implemented correctly; currently, it is more dependent on subcategories than pages in the category itself, but even then some languages like Indonesian or Filipino aren't even included there. However this trait should not be defining because Latin is the most common writing system. This category still does contain some languages that aren't written in the Latin script by standard, such as Hassaniya Arabic or Meitei, but I don't think trait is defining either. Other categories under Category:Languages by script may be kept, or maybe they'll be deleted as if writing systems as a whole are not defining. You decide. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 05:57, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is the problem for including per-language subcategories as members rather than pages? In fact there should not even be any "page" (i.e. Galeries on Commons). Galeries are not relevant very for languages that have many aspects.
That category is relevant especially for languages that are commonly written with several scripts, and there's a need to subcategories per script (Latin being one of them), and then properly index the contents written in each script (so not all per-language categories need to be members, as most languages have a default script and there's still no need to distinguish them; but that's not even treu for English which is multiscript, even if Latin is its default).
This category should just be fed (very slowly) according to the IANA or CLDR databases and their related use in BCP 47 where categorizing per script is needed: if we categorize English written in Deseret, and list English as a member of "Language written in Deseret script", then we still need to list it also as member of "Languages written in Deseret script". As well we cannot assume a single script in many languages (not even Arabic! Which is also written in the Latin script in some wellknown Arabic variants, and for which case we have distinctive contents in Commons, that we do not want to mix with other Arabic-Arabic contents where we'll have difficulties to locales Arabic-Latin contents, jsut like we'll have difficutlies to locate English-Deserrt contents if they are all mixed deeply within English-Latin contents.)
Even if the Latin script is the most widely used one in the world, we don't want to place any image in that Category:Languages written in Latin script. All that is designed is to have subcategoeies members (and notably languages that are known to be written in mutliple scripts). We don't need per-language galeries as members (even if there are a few ones, these galeries should just be members of their own category to be listed as members). So that category should only contain subcategories, not galeries, not files for images/logos/symbols/audio/video that all should be placed in relevant subcategories of the per-language category (and possibly of the language-script combination category). Commons is not a videogame to play with for your convenience in Antarctica, it is for educational purpose.
Your statement also about "Hassaniya Arabic" is wrong: it is also written in the Latin script (as a standard in a wellknown country where it replaces the Arabic script in frequent cases). The same remark applies to Meitei (as written in Assam where the Latin script more common than the Meitei Mayek script for that language, even if it is not recognized officially, just because the language itself is still not recognized locally in order to promote the Bengali-Assamese script). It is a clear sign that you make this deleteion requrest based on false unchecked assumptions about how languages are written. And this is perfectly why such category by script is useful: it helps collecting facts that are countering such false assumptions, and make these facts more visible and easier to locate. This category will then grow very slowly but surely as needed as we get medias about them and categorize them properly to avoid them being lost in the mass where your assumption takes its root. Commons is especially useful when it collects medias that are otherwise difficult to find and study.
The fact that this categotry is "old" is not relevant at all as a criteria for deletion. The fact it has few members and this count progresses very slowly is also not relevant at all (this is per design), and this does not hurt at all but improves the indexing of Commons, to distinguish contents per language-script and locate them correctly (by helping finding language-script combinations when they are more rare and precious). It is not intended to be fed with language-script combinations where the Latin script is the prevalent default for many unlisted languages. verdy_p (talk) 07:07, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Request: Can you please be more concise? This is a lot of text to ask volunteers to dig through. SMasonGarrison 16:24, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • If kept, the category can better be re-purposed to Category:Languages sometimes written in Latin script or Category:Languages not originally written in Latin script as seems to be the intention of the category anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:41, 17 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Same question: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Verdy p and Smasongarrison: Thoughts? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Frankly, I wanted Verdy_p to make a concise version of their wall of text, they did not. SMasonGarrison 23:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mayors of Barcelona City Council

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 8#Category:Mayors of Barcelona City Council

Category:Caves of Korea

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:38, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Out of scope. The two subcategories cover this material. Kingsmasher678 (talk) 18:54, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pan-Indian films

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. already G4'd. The Bushranger One ping only 07:35, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This category is created for Indian films that are simultaneously released in multiple languages (known as Pan-Indian film). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xzantiyamoloy (talk • contribs) 14:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Dog attack victims

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:38, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, not a defining characteristic. There is one exception, Doreen Ashburnham-Ruffner, this article can be moved to Category:Felidae attacks. (At the same time of course do keep subcategories like Category:Deaths due to dog attacks). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:32, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Pejorative terms for in-group non-members

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 December 8#Category:Pejorative terms for in-group non-members

Category:Edible Australian Plants

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The result of the discussion was: speedy delete per author request. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant due to the existence of Category:Bushfood. GossieGoodTimes (talk) 00:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Aircraft operated by the Antigua and Barbuda Defence Force Air Wing

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:39, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Aircraft operated by the Antigua and Barbuda Defence Force Air Wing (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: By long-established consensus, we don't categorise military aircraft by operator, only by manufacturing nation - this is (accordingly) a "performer by performance" type of category and thus WP:OC. The Bushranger One ping only 00:23, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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