Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 3
November 3
Category:Informal occupations
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:51, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: See WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. There doesn't seem to be an agreed-upon definition of what an "informal occupation" is, if it exists. Technically, I could call literally anything an "informal occupation", but a lot of times, such as with squeegee men, the only people who consider it one are the people who do it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Merging is not needed, most articles of this category are in the tree of Category:Occupations in some other manner, and if they aren't it is very questionable if they belong under occupations. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Corythaixoides
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:51, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Corythaixoides to Category:Crinifer
- Nominator's rationale: According to Clements, Corythaixoides has been synonymized with Crinifer. The iNaturalist taxonomic swap gives context for this. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:53, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Conversion infoboxes
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:51, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Conversion infoboxes to Category:Conversion templates
- Nominator's rationale: This category only contains {{temperature}}, which isn't really an infobox. jlwoodwa (talk) 21:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Ciccaba
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Strix (genus). Strix can be discussed at Talk:Strix. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:51, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Ciccaba to Category:Strix (genus)
- Nominator's rationale: According to IRMNG and ITIS, Ciccaba has been synonymized with Strix. This category's sole member, Black-and-white owl, is now Strix nigrolineata. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. I will also update Strix. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Jlwoodwa: Various articles about Strix species formerly included within Ciccaba will need to be updated. If you can find the original source which synonymized this genus, that would be great. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: ITIS says
Synonymized according to the placement of the type species, Strix huhula Daudin 1800, in the sources ITIS is following
. ITIS's entry for Strix huhula cites IOC World Bird List (v 8.1). It doesn't seem to explicitly state that Ciccaba huhula is renamed to Strix huhula; my guess is that it's implied by how the specific name and author citation are the same. I've also found some articles which mention or support the change:
- Characterization of the complete mitochondrial genome of Otus lettia: exploring the mitochondrial evolution and phylogeny of owls (Strigiformes)
(2021) says that
our results also showed the nested position of Ciccaba nigrolineata within genus Strix, which supports the taxonomic view (Strix nigrolineata) of the Avibase online database and the IOC World Bird List.
- Mitochondrial Genome Analysis and Phylogeny and Divergence Time Evaluation of the Strix aluco
(2023) says that
Ciccaba nigrolineata is nested in the Strix
.
- Characterization of the complete mitochondrial genome of Otus lettia: exploring the mitochondrial evolution and phylogeny of owls (Strigiformes)
- But since IOC 8.1 was published in 2018, neither of those articles can be the original source. Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/References says that Wikipedia follows the IOC list by default; maybe IOC itself is the original source? jlwoodwa (talk) 20:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: ITIS says
- @Jlwoodwa: Various articles about Strix species formerly included within Ciccaba will need to be updated. If you can find the original source which synonymized this genus, that would be great. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:27, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. I will also update Strix. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Centropodinae
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Centropodinae to Category:Cuculidae
- Nominator's rationale: Centropodinae is a monogeneric subfamily. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Captaincookia
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:52, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Captaincookia to Category:Ixora
- Nominator's rationale: According to Phylogeny and classification of the species-rich pantropical showy genus Ixora
and POWO, Captaincookia has been synonymized with Ixora. jlwoodwa (talk) 20:05, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Candomblés by nationality
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Candomblé. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Candomblés by nationality to Category:Candomblés
- Nominator's rationale: This is the only member of Category:Candomblés, and it only contains two subcategories (Brazilian Candomblés and French Candomblés). I don't think we need two nested container categories here. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:49, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but it can better be merged even a level higher, to Category:Candomblé. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Jlwoodwa: Does this work for you? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:57, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @HouseBlaster and Marcocapelle: Yes, I'm fine with merging for now, since we don't currently have articles on non-Brazilian, non-French Candomblés (with no prejudice against recreating Category:Candomblés if that changes). jlwoodwa (talk) 17:02, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Jlwoodwa: Does this work for you? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:57, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Buffetia
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:56, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Buffetia to Category:Allenoconcha
- Nominator's rationale: According to IRMNG and WoRMS, Buffetia is not an accepted taxon, and Allenoconcha is used instead. jlwoodwa (talk) 19:39, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Belontiidae
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:56, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Belontiidae to Category:Osphronemidae
- Nominator's rationale: According to WoRMS and Family-group names of Recent fishes
, Belontiidae has been converted to the monogeneric subfamily Belontiinae of Osphronemidae. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:13, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Batrachoidiformes
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Percomorpha. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:57, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Batrachoidiformes to Category:Percomorpha
- Nominator's rationale: Batrachoidiformes is a monotypic order. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:08, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 22:22, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Further education colleges in Snowdonia
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:58, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Duplicates Category:Further education colleges in Gwynedd. AusLondonder (talk) 17:56, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Honestly, all further education colleges in Wales might be merged into one category. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Yeah I was thinking that. The current categorisation tree actually makes navigation more difficult. AusLondonder (talk) 23:43, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment This category contains two articles, where should they be Merged to? Liz Read! Talk! 07:57, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Awalycaeus
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:58, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Awalycaeus to Category:Dicharax
- Nominator's rationale: According to IRMNG and Genus-level revision of the Alycaeidae
, Awalycaeus has been synonymized with Dicharax. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:18, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:2029 in Wuhan
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:58, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only a single article, a building scheduled to be completed in 2029. Unhelpful for navigation. Also per WP:CRYSTAL. AusLondonder (talk) 17:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:40, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Rums of the Pacific Rim
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:58, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose Deleting Category:Rums of the Pacific Rim
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:OCLOCATION)
- Since rum is usually bottled in the tropics near where sugar cane grows, we currently group rums under Category:Rum by country rather than by ocean basin. More importanty, I don't think that grouping rums from say Australia, the Philippines and El Salvador would aid reader navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 16:05, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:44, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Restaurants in Merseyside
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- The result of the discussion was: triple merge as nominated HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:58, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Restaurants in Merseyside to Category:Restaurants in England
- Nominator's rationale: Merge also to Category:Tourist attractions in Merseyside and Category:Buildings and structures in Merseyside.
Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. Better categorised within the parents. AusLondonder (talk) 15:22, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Per WP:NARROWCAT and WP:OCLOCATION. - RevelationDirect (talk) 16:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Triple merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Restaurants in Pembrokeshire
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- The result of the discussion was: dual merge as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Restaurants in Pembrokeshire to Category:Restaurants in Wales
- Nominator's rationale: Also merge to Category:Buildings and structures in Pembrokeshire.
Category containing a single article, unhelpful for navigation. Better categorised within parents. AusLondonder (talk) 15:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Per WP:NARROWCAT and WP:OCLOCATION. - RevelationDirect (talk) 16:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Dual merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:47, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Restaurants in Lake Oswego, Oregon
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Lake Oswego, Oregon. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 05:59, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Restaurants in Lake Oswego, Oregon to Category:Lake Oswego, Oregon
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing only one article, unhelpful for navigation. The one article is about a short-lived doughnut shop, not sure it should even be categorised as a restaurant. AusLondonder (talk) 14:50, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge Per WP:NARROWCAT and WP:OCLOCATION. - RevelationDirect (talk) 16:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nominator.Lost in Quebec (talk) 21:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- The category is meanwhile empty. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Comment Yes, the category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 18:05, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Fathers' rights by country
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. Category:Paternity by country can be the subject of a fresh nomination. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:02, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Fathers' rights by country to Category:Men's movement by country
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:45, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Support as an unnecessary step in the category tree. Should we upmerge to Category:Paternity by country as well? jlwoodwa (talk) 17:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:People of Mexican California
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:People of Mexican California to Category:People of Alta California
- Nominator's rationale: merge, the scope of the two categories largely overlaps. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:26, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:17th century in California
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:17th century in California to Category:Pre-statehood history of California
- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated category with only two articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:58, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:War films set in Partisan Yugoslavia
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:War films set in Partisan Yugoslavia to Category:Films set in Yugoslavia during World War II
- Nominator's rationale: rename in order not to get confused with Category:Films about Yugoslav Resistance. Align with Category:Films set in France during World War II. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:28, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Seems like an obviously good idea. --Joy (talk) 08:42, 4 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Novels set during the Yugoslav Wars
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, only one article in it and the novel isn"t really about the Yugoslav Wars. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Austromenidia
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:04, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: According to WoRMS, Austromenidia is no longer a valid taxon. This category's sole member (Odontesthes gracilis) is already in Category:Odontesthes, so there's no need for merging. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:32, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Musical instruments played with drum sticks
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 11#Category:Musical instruments played with drum sticks
Category:Ataeniobius
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:05, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Ataeniobius to Category:Goodeinae
- Nominator's rationale: Ataeniobius is a monotypic genus. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Petroleum industry in Turkey
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. The Bushranger One ping only 22:39, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose splitting Category:Petroleum industry in Turkey to Category:Industry in Turkey and Category:Petroleum industry by country
- Nominator's rationale: Category containing one article, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 19:27, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- I just noticed there is also a category called ‘Petroleum in Turkey’ so I put the page there instead. So as category now empty I suggest deleting it Chidgk1 (talk) 06:34, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- The category is meanwhile empty. I remember it contained Oil in Turkey only. I am ok with deletion as well as with merge. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:36, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yep, category has been emptied. Liz Read! Talk! 06:47, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Right, it was emptied of the article Oil in Turkey which is not primarily about the industry as such. However, I found Category:Oil refineries in Turkey and added it to the nominated category, and moved Category:Oil and gas companies of Turkey down into it as well. It should probably also hold Category:Oil pipelines in Turkey in common with various siblings in Category:Petroleum industry by country that don't have a "petroleum infrastructure" category. So it seems worth keeping after all. – Fayenatic London 17:04, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london Sorry I don’t understand your siblings point. As for the rest I think they could go in “petroleum in Turkey” Chidgk1 (talk) 06:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- I meant that e.g. Category:Petroleum industry in Azerbaijan, Petroleum industry in China each hold those countries' "Oil pipelines" category. – Fayenatic London 09:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london Sorry I don’t understand your siblings point. As for the rest I think they could go in “petroleum in Turkey” Chidgk1 (talk) 06:29, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Considering the fact that Category:Petroleum in Turkey is also not very well populated, I would still consider merging the nominated category to that target. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC)
- That is also a sensible opinion. – Fayenatic London 09:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: are you withdrawing your support for keeping the category in favor of a triple merge? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- That is also a sensible opinion. – Fayenatic London 09:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on both Marcocapelle and Fayenatic london's comments?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:10, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- With 2 subcats and an article in that parent, & 3 subcats in this one, IMHO there is just enough to keep it. But I do not strongly oppose a merge. If merged, it only needs a single merge to Category:Petroleum in Turkey. – Fayenatic London 11:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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Reformed Christianity
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- The result of the discussion was: No consensus Sorry, this is just a mess. The nominator is a sock so an be discounted, leaving us with one clear support, one "support in principle", one "Lean opposed", and one clear oppose. The discussion has become a hairy argument over religious terminology that just doesn't have enough agreement for us to proceed with a nomination from the poisonous tree. And even if there were a consensus to move nobody supports the exact proposal being made here, with variations and expansions everywhere. Anybody who isn't a sock is welcome to start over with a better-articulated, complete nomination, etc. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed Christians to Category:Reformed Christians
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed Christians by century to Category:Reformed Christians by century
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed Christians by denomination to Category:Reformed Christians by denomination
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed Christians by nationality to Category:Reformed Christians by nationality
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed anti-apartheid activists to Category:Reformed anti-apartheid activists
- Propose renaming Category:Converts to Calvinism to Category:Converts to Reformed Christianity
- Propose renaming Category:Former Calvinist and Reformed Christians to Category:Former Reformed Christians
- Propose renaming Category:LGBTQ Calvinist and Reformed Christians to Category:LGBTQ Reformed Christians
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed religious workers to Category:Reformed religious workers
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed Christian socialists to Category:Reformed Christian socialists
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist organizations to Category:Reformed organizations
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist theology to Category:Reformed theology
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed theologians by nationality to Category:Reformed theologians by nationality
- Propose renaming Category:Calvinist and Reformed theologians by century to Category:Reformed theologians by century
- Propose renaming Category:American Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:American Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Belgian Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Belgian Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Canadian Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Canadian Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Dutch Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Dutch Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:English Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:English Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:French Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:French Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:German Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:German Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Irish Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Irish Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Italian Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Italian Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Scottish Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Scottish Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:South African Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:South African Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Swiss Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Swiss Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:Welsh Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:Welsh Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:16th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:16th-century Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:17th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:17th-century Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:18th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:18th-century Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:19th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:19th-century Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:20th-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:20th-century Reformed theologians
- Propose renaming Category:21st-century Calvinist and Reformed theologians to Category:21st-century Reformed theologians
- Nominator's rationale: Now that the main article has been moved to the correct title, these categories should also be moved according to the C2D criteria ('Consistency with the main article's name'). --Humpser (talk) 18:36, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, per nom. I do not know if it should be Reformed or reformed though. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:07, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Should "reformed" be capitalized?
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- Oppose. If it is moved, "Reformed" should definitely be capitalised. But many people who identify as Calvinist will not identify as Reformed, and splitting the categories up will be too hard. The double categorization was a good way of getting around the problem, since there is obviously a lot of overlap, but "it is almost only in the United States that “Reformed” and “Calvinist” came to be identified as synonyms" (Roger E. Olson). StAnselm (talk) 00:38, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- In the Netherlands they were also sort of synonymous, though Calvinist usually referred to the doctrine of the church and reformed was in the name of the church (Dutch Reformed Church etc.). In the Dutch situation, Arminians are considered to be neither Calvinists nor reformed, so the rename is perfectly ok. In Switzerland the rename is particularly useful because Calvinism and Zwinglianism quickly merged to reformed. That fits with Olson's statement quoted above that reformed is broader than Calvinist. Renaming the categories to reformed does not harm in that case (possibly there could be a Calvinist subcategory but I do not expect so.) If the rename is a problem somewhere else than in the US, Netherlands or Switzerland, I'd like to hear specifically in which country. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
- Lean opposed. Wouldn't this narrow the category? This seems like making a lot of extra work and narrow the category. Mason (talk) 02:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- It doesn't narrow the category, since reformed is broader than Calvinist. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:56, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Lean opposed. Wouldn't this narrow the category? This seems like making a lot of extra work and narrow the category. Mason (talk) 02:14, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- No, I don't think it is. In any case, it certainly isn't broader than "Calvinist and Reformed". StAnselm (talk) 03:20, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- @StAnselm in the source you provided, everything is different: many people who identify as Reformed do not identify as Calvinist, but all people who identify as Calvinist also identify as Reformed. 109.229.195.72 (talk) 20:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- Well, the same author has another article in which he says, "many Protestants are Calvinist but not Reformed and many others are Reformed but not Calvinist". StAnselm (talk) 21:46, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
- In the Netherlands they were also sort of synonymous, though Calvinist usually referred to the doctrine of the church and reformed was in the name of the church (Dutch Reformed Church etc.). In the Dutch situation, Arminians are considered to be neither Calvinists nor reformed, so the rename is perfectly ok. In Switzerland the rename is particularly useful because Calvinism and Zwinglianism quickly merged to reformed. That fits with Olson's statement quoted above that reformed is broader than Calvinist. Renaming the categories to reformed does not harm in that case (possibly there could be a Calvinist subcategory but I do not expect so.) If the rename is a problem somewhere else than in the US, Netherlands or Switzerland, I'd like to hear specifically in which country. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 26 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- If people in other denominations have adopted Calvinist views, as argued by the source quoted by StAnselm, then that is all the more reason to drop Calvinist from the category name. The category is about a denomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:01, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
- It certainly hasn't been used that way, and if it is renamed thousands of articles need to be checked for correct categorization. StAnselm (talk) 04:10, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

- This is only a partial nomination, e.g. Category:Calvinist and Reformed ministers by nationality and Category:Converts to Calvinism have more subcats to be renamed. Support, as this is about a family of denominations. Category:Reformed Baptists should be removed (but given two-way "see also" links instead) as they are Calvinist in theology but not Reformed in this sense. World Communion of Reformed Churches includes Presbyterians, some Congregationalists, some Evangelicals, but no Baptists. Even though the current overlap of Calvinist theology and Reformed church tradition is all covered in the article Reformed Christianity (including Reformed Baptists), it is a union of two sets and I think this makes it non-defining. Calvinist theology does not make a useful criterion, as it may be held in varying degrees. We should either rename all these to "Reformed", or upmerge all to Protestantism. – Fayenatic London 22:03, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: are you supporting a rename to capital-R Reformed or lowercase-r reformed? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:29, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Capital R, please, indicating a proper noun rather than generic usage. – Fayenatic London 08:41, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: are you supporting a rename to capital-R Reformed or lowercase-r reformed? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:29, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- If renamed to Reformed, and excluding Reformed Baptists, then the contents would need to be split to new categories for Reformed Baptists. E.g. John Gill and John Piper's Calvinist theology is WP:DEFINING, and they are currently within multiple "Calvinist and Reformed" categories. Baptist ministers and Baptist theologians currently don't have subcats for Reformed Baptists. There is Category:Reformed Baptists which I have just split to Reformed Baptist movement, but it's tiny and has no subcats yet. I'm starting to think that separating these would be more messy than the current combination is unsatisfactory... maybe we should just follow the breadth of Reformed Christianity and recognise the wisdom of those who put them together in the first place. – Fayenatic London 14:00, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
- Note: the nominator has been blocked as a sock of user:Dolyn. – Fayenatic London 13:04, 15 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by fighter aircraft shootdowns
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. I understand the desire to keep the older category's history, but looking at it, the only edit post creation that isn't related to either a C1 or this CFD is a bot edit to add a wikidata link, that (due to the new/merged name) won't be on the merged/renamed category, so - given the only content of this category is the target category! - this is just a simple delete. If another admin disagrees then they can certainly undelete and history-merge. The Bushranger One ping only 22:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Aviation accidents and incidents caused by fighter aircraft shootdowns to Category:Airliner shootdown incidents involving fighter aircraft
- Nominator's rationale: The category name is grammatically awkward, overlong, and overbroad. All incidents currently listed in the category involve airliners, creating a branch of Category:Aviation accidents and incidents that largely and needlessly duplicates Category:Airliner shootdown incidents. Such incidents should only be listed in one of these category trees. Additionally, the category potentially encompasses combat in war depending on the definition of "incidents"; this creates potential category overlap with Category:20th-century aircraft shootdown incidents and Category:21st-century aircraft shootdown incidents. (Relisting to seek clearer consensus; I CfD'd this category previously but drafted the nomination poorly and did not suggest a merger target.) Carguychris (talk) 14:20, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- The target has just been created so it is actually more like a rename. At least keep the page history of the older page. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:08, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, the target category is largely a duplicate today, but it's clearly under the proper category tree and doesn't potentially encompass dozens of articles about aerial combat. Carguychris (talk) 22:10, 25 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The target has been renamed to Category:Airliner shootdown incidents involving combat aircraft. I will ping participants in the previous CFD.
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- I'm indifferent to the name, but I agree with Marco that we should keep the page history of the older page. SMasonGarrison 03:11, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Rename over new page Category:Airliner shootdown incidents involving combat aircraft. – Fayenatic London 22:07, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Aris Limassol
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:09, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Contains only Category:Aris Limassol FC, which is already in this category's parents (Category:Football clubs in Cyprus ⊆ Category:Sports clubs and teams in Cyprus, and Category:Sport in Limassol) – hence no need for merging. jlwoodwa (talk) 02:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:50, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 15:05, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete - not needed. Aris Limassol redirects to Aris Limassol FC. GiantSnowman 15:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Online-only games
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- The result of the discussion was: redirect to Category:Multiplayer online games. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 (T·C) 17:18, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: This is not a defining trait, mostly because it not executed properly (can you imagine all browser games that require WIFI in existence already?) it also heavily conflicts Category:Multiplayer online games which mostly contains games only having a multiplayer online mode QuantumFoam66 (talk) 02:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Why not merge and leave as a redirect? That would reduce the chances of this being created again. Mason (talk) 03:12, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
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Relisting comment: Merge and redirect?
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Relisting comment: Merge and redirect?
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- @QuantumFoam66: pinging for your thoughts on Mason's suggestion. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:05, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge and leave as a redirect per Mason. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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Alta California before 1824
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- The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated (i.e. capital The Californias). HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:08, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:18th century in Alta California to Category:18th century in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:18th-century establishments in Alta California to Category:18th-century establishments in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1760s in Alta California to Category:1760s in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1770s in Alta California to Category:1770s in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1780s in Alta California to Category:1780s in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1790s in Alta California to Category:1790s in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1760s establishments in Alta California to Category:1760s establishments in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1770s establishments in Alta California to Category:1770s establishments in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1780s establishments in Alta California to Category:1780s establishments in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1790s establishments in Alta California to Category:1790s establishments in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:Years of the 18th century in Alta California to Category:Years of the 18th century in The Californias
- Propose renaming Category:1800s in Alta California to Category:1800s in Nueva California
- Propose renaming Category:1810s in Alta California to Category:1800s in Nueva California
- Propose renaming Category:1800s establishments in Alta California to Category:1800s establishments in Nueva California
- Propose renaming Category:1810s establishments in Alta California to Category:1810s establishments in Nueva California
- Nominator's rationale: rename, according to article Alta California, the province was called The/Las Californias until 1804 (and also contained Baja California) and was called Nueva California until 1824. Instead of The Californias as a rename target I would also be fine with Province of Las Californias, per article title Province of Las Californias. When there is no opposition I will add the year categories to the nomination too. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:31, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Large bundled nomination; relisting to give extra time for objections.
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- Province of Las Californias has a capital L, but I am equally fine with The and the. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:47, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
- Question: Should it be "The Californias" instead of "the Californias"? Mason (talk) 02:07, 27 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: For discussion on whether it should be "The Californias" or "the Californias".
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Category:Private schools Northern Beaches Sydney
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Northern Beaches. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 06:07, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category created by a private school, duplicates and doesn't improve on the existing categorisation scheme at Category:Private schools in Sydney and subcategories such as Category:Private secondary schools in Sydney. AusLondonder (talk) 11:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- If merged also merge to Category:Northern Beaches, I do not see a reason to remove the articles from that tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:00, 19 October 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per rationale. 2024 is Underway (talk) 07:28, 23 October 2024 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Nomination favors deletion – should we merge? If so, to which targets?
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Relisting comment: See above relisting comment
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- @AusLondonder: are you okay with a merge? HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:38, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Personally I don't think that's necessary but if that's what other editors want then that's ok. AusLondonder (talk) 03:36, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge with Category:Northern Beaches. Cats for other regions of Sydney include schools, so I think it makes sense to follow suit here. – Michael Aurel (talk) 10:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:American soles
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- The result of the discussion was: reverse merge. (non-admin closure) —Compassionate727 (T·C) 13:36, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:American soles to Category:Achiridae
- Nominator's rationale: Category:American soles and Category:Achiridae duplicate each other. Defaulting to merging in this direction since Category:American soles only contains the eponymous American sole. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Reverse merge per WP:C2D – the name should follow the eponymous article American sole. I have tagged Category:Achiridae. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:37, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Artists who acted in films and television shows
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: We already have Category:Film actors and Category:Television actors we don't need this strange intersection. There are tens of thousands of articles on actors of differing genders and nationalities and we don't need another branch on this tree. Liz Read! Talk! 00:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, not a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:54, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. FYI, @Douglas1998A: removed the nomination[1], but I came upon it and nominated it again [2]. SMasonGarrison 01:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Alexteroon
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Alexteroon to Category:Hyperolius
- Nominator's rationale: According to AMNH, Alexteroon has been synonymized with Hyperolius. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:23, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Albanian bishops
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:06, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Albanian bishops to Category:Albanian Christian clergy
- Nominator's rationale: Contains only Category:Albanian Roman Catholic bishops. Unnecessary step in the category tree. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:06, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:57, 3 November 2024 (UTC)
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