Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 31

October 31

Category:Fictional mass murderers

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Thorough discussion; unlikely a WP:RELIST will help. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category is unnecessarily specific for a fictional character grouping. And are people really going to know that "mass murder" means 4 or more people, or know precisely how many people said character had killed in their backstory? (Unlike real life, where the amount is usually made clear) It has a huge amount of miscategorized members who did not even kill as a crime.
In the case of fiction, whether they are simply a murderer or not usually matters more. Of course, I recommend the merge be highly selective as many of this category's members simply don't belong here. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 23:09, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly oppose. How are these categories any more "unnecessary" than any of the other multiple subcategories within Category:Fictional murderers and Category:Fictional female murderers?. AHI-3000 (talk) 23:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Though being an assassin is, at least, a unique and defining job. Regicide, not so much. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:21, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment, target Category:Fictional murderers has a diffuse template on its page, but I do not see how this can be maintained. The subcategories do not cover the full spectrum of fictional murderers. When this CfD proposal is implemented the number of articles directly in the target will increase further although some of them may be diffused right away. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:41, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    That was added by a disruptive editor, so you are right that it is nonsense, I have removed it. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:23, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose any deletion of this category, as a member of the crime wikiproject, as long as the serial killer one exists. A precise death toll (probably change language to "several") is less necessary than the distinction of timing. Mass is a bunch of people at once, serial is over time. Otherwise people will end up putting them in the serial killer category which is inaccurate. I would not oppose deletion of this if the serial killer category is also deleted, though. Like any category for any character where this is not a defining aspect it should be removed. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:08, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Serial killer" is way more obvious to people that it's talking about a crime. I don't think it is as unclear as the name of this category by a long shot. Is there a risk of people miscategorizing mass killers as serial killers? Sure, but at the very least it will be more obvious. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:03, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I disagree. And well, murder is in the category name, so if someone isn't recognizing it as a criminal category I think there may be other issues. And as you said, the more key factor is murderer, vs serial or mass murder, but that also applies to the serial killer category. Everything you said to justify deletion of this also applies to that one. PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:48, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sound Transit logos

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:02, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Saturday Night Live hosts

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT. Saturday Night Live musical guests is given as an example of what not to do. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:30, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Previously deleted Wikipedia:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 November 20#Category:Saturday Night Live hosts. CSD G4 may apply.
Also List of Saturday Night Live hosts exists to serve the purpose of documenting this. Geraldo Perez (talk) 00:52, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong keep That was 18 years ago. I think it’s time to have a category for this. Vinnylospo (talk) 22:50, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't address the WP:PERFCAT issue of not categorizing performers by performances. The last SNL cat was given as a current example in that article of what not to do and the arguments stated in that delete discussion are still valid today. Geraldo Perez (talk) 23:01, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete: being a one-time host of a television show is not a defining feature of a person that would warrant categorization. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 00:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Hosting a variety show, even an iconic one such as SNL, is not a defining category. The lumps together people as disparate as Donald Trump, an at-the-time 10 yr-old Macaulay Culkin, and Ed Koch. It has also bene previously deleted, and that deletion is used as an example of what NOT to categorize as. Zaathras (talk) 00:53, 1 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Boxborough, Massachusetts

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 8#Category:Boxborough, Massachusetts


Families of two

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:54, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Each of these family categories contains only two biography articles. The categories are therefore unnecessary for navigation, and should be deleted per precedent e.g. Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_October_21#Category:Amirov_brothers. They are all subcats of Category:Mixed martial arts families or Boxing families, and happen to have been created by the same editor, who has not replied to a request to tag them for speedy deletion under WP:G7. – Fayenatic London 16:11, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional characters with accelerated ageing

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Falls under WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. Let's use clone troopers from Star Wars as an example. While they are engineered to age twice as fast as typical humans, is this really "accelerated", or just normal? After all, it's standard for a clone trooper, who needs to grow and be sent into combat quickly, so it might be subjective to call it "too fast". While some characters really do have their aging artificially sped up, this category is bound to collect plenty of characters who only age fast *relative to a human* or whatever the "normal baseline" is, making it untenable to keep. Created by a disruptive, blocked user also. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:32, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Kirk Douglas Award recipients

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:OCAWARD. A lifetime achievement award from a film festival is non-defining. User:Namiba 15:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Works by Maya Angelou

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:54, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The categories proposed all consist of one or two articles that can appropriately be categorized in the parent category. None of them can be categorized in any of the other categories (e.g. Down in the Delta can only be categorized as Category:Films directed by Maya Angelou as she only played one role in creating the work. If moved up to Works by Maya Angelou, it would not get diffused into a different sub-category, that inaccurately represents her relationship to the film). Vegantics (talk) 14:31, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:2026 Asian Para Games

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:51, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category with no content but the eponym itself. Since the event is still two full years away as of right now, there's no prospect of this growing anytime soon -- absolutely none of the spinoff events-at, athletics-at, medalists-at, nations-at or venues-of content that sibling categories have is possible to create yet, since there's absolutely nothing of substance to say about any of that two full years in advance, so the eponym will be the only article here for the foreseeable future. Obviously no prejudice against recreation in 2026 when enough of the spinoff content exists to justify it, but it isn't already needed now just to contain only one page. Bearcat (talk) 14:16, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cities in the United States by geographical region by state

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Cities in the United States by geographical region by state (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: SMasonGarrison 13:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cities in Louisiana by geographical region

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:50, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Redundant and vague category layer that unhelpful for navigation SMasonGarrison 13:17, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Core-based statistical areas of Colorado

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Vaguely defined and Redundant category layer SMasonGarrison 13:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Warner Robins, GA Metropolitan Statistical Area

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 8#Category:Warner Robins, GA Metropolitan Statistical Area


Category:Californian Olympic medalists

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:58, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:OCLOCATION. State of residence has no defining relationship with being an Olympic medalist per se, and there is no established scheme of subdividing Category:Olympic medalists for the United States by state at all: no comparable category exists for any other state, but there's no particular reason why California would have a special need for a thing no other state has. And even if there were legitimate grounds for keeping it, it would have to be renamed "Olympic medalists from California" anyway, as we do not use demonyms for state-level categories (and per the logical parent Category:Olympic medalists for the United States, this tree doesn't even use demonyms at the country level either.) Bearcat (talk) 12:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support. per OCLOCATION SMasonGarrison 13:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: there are categories like Category:Scottish Olympic competitors.--User:Namiba 15:18, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cape Verde–United Kingdom relations

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 8#Category:Cape Verde–United Kingdom relations

Category:Pittsboro, Indiana

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:52, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category containing only the main article and Early life and career of Jeff Gordon which seems an unusual categorisation choice. AusLondonder (talk) 07:08, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Westfield, Marquette County, Wisconsin

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category containing two eponymous articles, unhelpful for navigation. AusLondonder (talk) 07:06, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Confederation of the Rhine

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 November 8#Confederation of the Rhine


Category:Montpellier 1 University alumni

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per the main page. "In January 2015, Montpellier 2 University and Montpellier 1 University merged again to reform University of Montpellier." SMasonGarrison 02:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People by district in Goyang

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People from Goyang. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:53, 8 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Pages should be upmerged to Category:People from Goyang. Think this is too specific; no other districts for south korea have such categories. seefooddiet (talk) 00:26, 31 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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