Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 7

October 7

Category:Sega Games franchises

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The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: "Sega Games" is not even its own thing, it literally just refers to Sega. QuantumFoam66 (talk) 22:53, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Reports on FOO

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The result of the discussion was: rename and, for the latter, broaden. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:29, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Siblings are Category:Reports on finance and business. The rename makes it clearer that the subject matter of the report is education, rather than a report that educates or is a school assignment. For Health, the rename broadens the category to be more usable Mason (talk) 22:31, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Digital currency exchanges

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The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:52, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Cryptocurrency exchanges is the common term and matches with our Wikipedia article. Gheus (talk) 22:14, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Loss of Canadian citizenship by prior Nazi affiliation

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:People who lost Canadian citizenship and Category:Nazis who fled to Canada. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:53, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Loss of Canadian citizenship by prior Nazi affiliation to Category:Nazis who lost Canadian citizenship
Nominator's rationale: This category is extremely awkwardly named. I've made a tentative attempt, but I'd be really open to alternatives. Mason (talk) 22:22, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Merge?
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Merge is fine with me. Mason (talk) 21:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
What's the difference between Category:Loss of Canadian citizenship by prior Nazi affiliation and Category:Nazis deported from Canada? Looking at their members, they mostly overlap but not entirely. jlwoodwa (talk) 15:35, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Figured it out – you can be deported without having been a citizen (Konrāds Kalējs), and you can lose your citizenship without being deported (Helmut Oberlander and Walter Obodzinsky). It's a pretty subtle difference, and I'm not sure it needs to be represented in the categories. jlwoodwa (talk) 15:41, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:European theatre of World War II people

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 14#Category:European theatre of World War II people

Category:Populated places in the Middle East

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The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Populated places in West Asia to Category:Populated places in the Middle East. There is clear consensus that we should only have one category, and rough consensus that this is the preferred merge direction. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: the Middle East and West Asia are very overlapping. All subcategories are already in Category:Populated places in West Asia. Sakakami (talk) 18:53, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Thoughts on Anomalous+0's comment?
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Relisting comment: Relisting to tag Category:Populated places in West Asia.
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Centuries in the Southern Nigeria Protectorate

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The result of the discussion was: merge/delete as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:55, 14 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose deleting Category:Centuries in the Southern Nigeria Protectorate
  • Propose deleting Category:20th century in the Southern Nigeria Protectorate
  • Propose merging Category:Years of the 20th century in the Southern Nigeria Protectorate to Category:Years in the Southern Nigeria Protectorate
Nominator's rationale: delete, the Southern Nigeria Protectorate mainly existed within one century, all content is already in the two decade categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:04, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Lists of statutory instruments of the Welsh Assembly

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Category:Fictional populated places in Mexico

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:00, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The only article in this category is not about a fictional location, but a short story. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:42, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional jackals

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The result of the discussion was: selective merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:00, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only contains two articles that are about fictional jackals, the rest are either works that should not belong in a fictional character category, or are redirects. (Oinkers42) (talk) 15:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Events at Yankee Stadium

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 15#Category:Events at Yankee Stadium


Category:Morley–Ellenbrook line

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The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The main page has been moved due to a name change, so the category should be too. Steelkamp (talk) 10:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - the operator of the line https://www.metronet.wa.gov.au/news/latest-news/hello-ellenbrook-line agrees with that JarrahTree 10:49, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per the spirit of WP:CONSUB. (For future reference, this could have been speedily renamed under C2D.) jlwoodwa (talk) 16:02, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Southern Health NHS Foundation Trust

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The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:21, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This trust has now been merged and renamed, see the article at Hampshire and Isle of Wight Healthcare NHS Foundation Trust Elshad (talk) 10:12, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Diseases and disorders

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 15#Category:Diseases and disorders

Category:AAGPBL teams

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 15#Category:AAGPBL teams

Category:Collaborators during World War II occupations

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Collaborators during World War II. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:23, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming Category:Collaborators during World War II occupations to Category:Collaborators during World War II (people)
Nominator's rationale: This name is *really* confusing. I suggest changing it from occupation to (people) to make it clearer that this is about individuals. I'm very open to alternatives. Mason (talk) 13:58, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Rename to Category:Collaborators during World War II as a more concise and less confusing title. Technically this might slightly expand the category's scope, but I don't think that's a problem; for one, its subcategories don't specify "during occupations". jlwoodwa (talk) 16:09, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:British Asian actors

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 15#Category:British Asian actors

Category:Labor disputes in Ghana

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now: Only one page in here, which isn't helpful for navigation. Mason (talk) 23:10, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • That bias will probably exist, but the only remedy is having more articles about the topic. As long as that is not the case the category is just a hindrance in finding related articles. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:15, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are now two articles in the category, the Positive Action campaign which involved a nationwide general strike in 1950 and a played a critical role in Ghana's independence years later. I plan to expand the article to cover all the specifics around it. So I think at this point removing the category would most definitely be detrimental.- LoomCreek (talk) 14:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are too many tiny categories in this tree. Nothing is findable right now. You're welcome to make continental categories if you think that would help. But I think your time is better spent crafting articles. Mason (talk) 21:13, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Southern United States independence activists

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:25, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: These seem to be highly overlapping Mason (talk) 04:05, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Transgender by country

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The result of the discussion was: rename to "Category:Transgender topics in [place]". HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:27, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Following Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 13#Category:Transgender in Russia, it seems the problem is Transgender being an adjective, rather than a noun word or noun phrase. Then I think transness is a good alternative solution, as that's the most accepted noun for transgenderness in English, similar to the Francophone equivalents transidentity (transidentité) or transitude, which are less common in English. Another option would be "Transgender topics", which would be more recognizable. --MikutoH talk! 01:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Alternative - either Transgender topics or Transgender people. I definitely don’t like transness - as the dictionary entry says, it’s about a condition and that just sounds worse, being transgender isn’t a condition defined by one’s transness, which is why it’s also listed as synonymous with other such terms that are similarly considered to be pejorative nowadays. Raladic (talk) 05:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support transness I don't see a good alternative to that that makes sense.★Trekker (talk) 10:00, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, but oppose the name "Transness". It's unclear to people who are not familiar with the topic. Either of the alternatives are fine with me, such as Transgender topics in FOO, Transgender rights in FOO, etc. I'd need convincing for Transgender people in FOO because it will get mixed up with FOOian transgender people (a.k.a. nationals of a country who are trans. Mason (talk) 20:09, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    it may suggest but so would these. --MikutoH talk! 21:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Would you want to change those categories to Womenness? I think that Transgender topics is a better solution than Tranness. Mason (talk) 21:15, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I think MikutoH's point is that, e.g., Category:Women in Canada could be mistaken for its biography-holding subcategory Category:Canadian women. Despite that potential ambiguity, that naming structure is, to my ears, miles better than changing the parent to Women's topics in Canada. I think the same applies here.--Trystan (talk) 12:47, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support in principle, prefer transgender topics for now. The adjective has bugged me for some time, but I haven't been able to come up with a better term myself. Transness is too specific and rather obscure. I thought of Transgender issues in Foo, but that conveys a non-neutral tone. Topics sounds a bit meta/redundant (every Wikipedia category covers a topic), but is probably the best option, unless someone can come up with something else. --Paul_012 (talk) 02:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support for transgender topics in lieu of a better suggestion. Both the current titles and transness are confusing titles, with the latter being just an obscure neologism.
  • Support Transgender people in Foo. It would be consistent with Category:Women by country, which uses Women in Foo and not Women's topics in Foo. 1857a (talk) 23:03, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Support Transgender people in Foo per 1857a. That is in inescapably the best and clearest description of the unifying topic of the subcategories and articles these categories contain. Transgender history is the history of transgender people, transgender rights are the rights of transgender people, etc. The category description can specify to use the Fooian transgender people subcategory for individual biographies.--Trystan (talk) 12:40, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Transgender topics for now. Language is evolving quickly here so we may have to revisit this, but this seems like the clearest and neutralist terminology for now. (Open to altnernatives except for "transness" which seems unclear to me.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:46, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Transgender topics per RevelationDirect. Transness is a very uncommon word for this topic area. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:46, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Local politicians by nationality

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The result of the discussion was: keep. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:24, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Consistensy with (grand)parents, some cousins/siblings, and some children. --MikutoH talk! 01:15, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note that I've made a couple of minor modifications to fix obvious spelling errors ("Keynian" instead of "Kenyan", "New Zealan" instead of "New Zealand", "Belguian" instead of "Belgian"). Bearcat (talk) 01:19, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I apologize for the mistakes. However, New Zealand is the adjective for NZ people: Category:New_Zealand_politicians. We need to rename the entire category tree if that's right. --MikutoH talk! 01:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say it wasn't. But you typed "Zealan", as in without the d on the end of it. Bearcat (talk) 02:33, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
OOps sorry I confused it. Yeah it was a typo, my keyboard may have eaten it. --MikutoH talk! 02:38, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This nomination appear to be based on the expectation that, for example, Category:Local politicians in Ireland is intended as a set of local politicians from Ireland. When, as far as I can tell, it is a set of local politicians in Ireland. (Citizenship and nationality are not, presumably, the same thing as representation or location. In Ireland, for example, while local representatives must be "ordinarily resident in Ireland" (..) "You do not have to be an Irish citizen".) Are we happy that all of the members of all of these categories are grouped by nationality (as implied by the nom). And not by location/representation (as implied by the category names)? In short, are "local politicians by nationality" the same as "local politicians by nation"? (I'm not personally sure they are...) Guliolopez (talk) 10:52, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose
    1. Country is not the same as nation.
    2. as noted above, the current categories are about politicians in a country, not from a country (or nation)
    3. Specific to Australia, Local government in Australia is a thing. I'd read "local politicians" as being the ones who live near me (or the people they represent) rather than living near where parliament sits or being "parachuted in" to a safe seat. That is particularly about state and federal politicians, local government is much more local in Australia, particularly in some states.
--Scott Davis Talk 11:57, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For previous similar discussions, see:
Mitch Ames (talk) 12:45, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. Not all politicians in Foo have Fooinan nationality. Sakakami (talk) 14:32, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Based on WP:CATNAME it looks like the current format of <political office> in country is correct but I have no objection to the proposal as it brings these categories into line with parent/grandparent categories, particularly Fooinan politicians. Those opposing the nomination maybe confusing citizenship/nationality with adjectival/demonymic forms for countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obi2canibe (talk • contribs)
  • Oppose per above commenters. The issue here is that nationality and residency are overlapping but not completely identical conditions — because most countries do permit immigrants (usually, but not necessarily always, immigrants who have naturalized as citizens) to hold political office, there can be a difference between where the person is "from" and where the person did the politics. The intention of Category:Local politicians in Canada, for example, is that the person did the politics in Canada — whereas Category:Canadian local politicians could potentially have to include a Canadian-born-and-raised person who moved to Brazil and did local politics in Brazil, and thus was a "Canadian who did local politics" but not a "person who did local politics in Canada". But the latter is what we're after here, not the former. Bearcat (talk) 21:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per explanations by Scott Davis, Mitch Ames and Bearcat - the notion that local government politicians can be subsumed into local politicians simply does not fit in the local language context in Australia (and probably a lot of the other countries as well), despite Obi2canibes' useful explanation about foo and fitting with category trees. JarrahTree 01:55, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose re Australia. As others have said, it proposes replacing a category name which is crystal clear in its meaning with one that is confusing and ambiguous. Kerry (talk) 04:38, 10 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Executed Italian fascists

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:23, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: 2x upmerge. Non-defining 3x intersection between cause of death, nationality, and political orientation. Notably, there's no Category:Executed fascists category tree. Mason (talk) 00:44, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Some of these people were executed not for ideology alone. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 02:25, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. --MikutoH talk! 02:39, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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