Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 22

September 22

Category:Chemical looping technologies

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 October 4#Category:Chemical looping technologies

Medieval mosques

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The result of the discussion was: merge 11th and 12th centuries; keep the rest. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
more categories nominated
Nominator's rationale: merge, these are mostly one-article isolated categories, not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:55, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment {{clc}} check here.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  11:51, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge 11th & 12th centuries only - that is, the first 6 categories in the proposal. Looking at Mosques by year of completion, most year-cats up to the 20th century have 1-3 articles. Looking laterally on either side of 15th-century mosques, all century-cats from the 13th century onward have at least 9 decade-cats, and most decade-cats from the 13th to the mid 19th century have 1-3 year-cats. The 11th & 12th centuries are the most barren outliers, with 1 and 2 decade-cats respectively, only 3 year-cats between them, and so are a better cutoff point than the 15th century. The next cohort to consider, if at all, is from the 13th to the 19th century, and should not be split arbitrarily at the 15th century.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  13:14, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • The 3 distinct century-cohorts are [11, 12], [13-18], [19+]:
Mosques completed by century
CenturyNumber completed
11th
1
12th
2
13th
19
14th
15
15th
16
16th
26
17th
18
18th
19
19th
46
20th
90

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus favors merging the 11th and 12th century categories; more discussion is needed to determine whether the rest of them should be merged or not.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:58, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Lighthouse of Alexandria

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Category:American people who self-identify as being of Native American descent

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Category:National Girls Baseball League players

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The result of the discussion was: keep. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:18, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Merge per WP:NONDEF. Not a notable league which was limited to only one state and all of these players were better known for their time with the AAGPBL. Omnis Scientia (talk) 20:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The rationale "not a notable league" is clearly wrong; and notable players who played on teams in the league is certainly defining; even if all of them played with the AAGPBL, only some women in the AAGPBL played in the NGBL, and the ability to sort and locate those who did is useful for readers. No useful purpose is served by merging the categories and treating them as though they are identical. P Aculeius (talk) 12:42, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Agree with Aculeius that the National Girls Baseball League is certainly notable for many reasons and the category is useful and specific for the readers. The proposed category is simply very broad.Skilgis1900 (talk) 03:22, 25 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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National shores of the United States

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 00:21, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: De-caps per WP:C2A. Similar nomination were opposed at CFDS (see other entries on today's log), so I am bringing this to a full discussion. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 19:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:National Monuments of Colombia

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:National monuments of Colombia. Star Mississippi 23:52, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: De-caps per WP:C2A. It was possibly opposed at CFDS (see the other discussions on today's log), so I am bringing this to a full discussion. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:National Monuments in Guyana

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:National monuments in Guyana. Star Mississippi 23:52, 4 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: De-caps per WP:C2A. It was possibly opposed at CFDS (see the other discussions on today's log), so I am bringing this to a full discussion. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:44, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:National Parks in Indiana

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 00:21, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: De-caps per everything else in the tree of Category:National parks of the United States by state. It was possibly opposed at CFDS, so I am starting a full discussion. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:33, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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National (P/p)arks of Canada

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 00:21, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: De-caps per WP:C2A. It was potentially opposed at CFDS, so I am bringing this to a full CFD. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 19:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 22:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:59, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't rename. Although some of the subcategories have been so renamed, all or nearly all of the parks themselves are designated "National Parks" and have that collocation capitalized as part of their names. It is an official designation by the Canadian government, and thus not a generic use of the words "national" and "park" that could refer to any park somehow relating to any nation. It also makes little sense for categories and subcategories to use a different capitalization from their contents, as though that somehow indicated that the categories were for a different or wider class of parks, when in fact it refers only to those that Canada has chosen to designate as "National Parks"; that can only create confusion for readers and editors. P Aculeius (talk) 12:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename: National parks of Canada has been at that title since 2022-01-24, when it was moved to match the capitalization used by the government of Canada (see here). "National Parks" is not a common noun, it's only meant to be capitalized when used as "National Parks System" or "National Parks System Plan". Hey man im josh (talk) 14:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Thai political parties disestablished in 2024

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge to Category:2024 disestablishments in Thailand and Category:Political parties disestablished in 2024. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:52, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. This isolated category is incorrectly using Template:PolParsDisEstCat and there's not a need to disffuse Political parties disestablished in 2024 by nationality Mason (talk) 19:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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National (M/m)onuments in the United States categories

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 00:21, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D per List of national monuments of the United States. These were opposed as CFDS, so I am starting a full discussion. Pinging @Hey man im josh, Omnis Scientia, and RadioKAOS for their thoughts. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 19:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy discussion
I guess you responded after I stopped checking regularly for a response, so thank you for the note on my talk page. DGG is deceased, so it's obviously not an option to seek his input. I'm opposed to using obscure corners of project space to bypass discussion on items which should be discussed. Some editors in those project spaces appear only interested in pursuing (a purely superficial notion ) consistency, often without regard for whether there was any consistency involved WRT consensus enroute to that point. Hence, my earlier mention venue-shopping. I have no strong opinion on capitalization variants other than they're often time wasters that stand in the way of moving the project forward. RadioKAOS / Talk to me, Billy / Transmissions 04:52, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That doesn't answer the question @RadioKAOS, we need to know whether you're opposing just the national monuments nominations, or also the national forest nominations. Hey man im josh (talk) 13:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I left them a message after the above reply on their talk page and I've left them another one now. We still need clarity on whether the objection is just to the national monuments renamings, or the other renamings as well, including the national forests. Hey man im josh (talk) 15:48, 10 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is a ridiculous failure of communication... They've been pinged for clarity four times and had three messages left on their talk page about this. Personally I think it's reasonable to proceed with all but the national monuments nominations since there's been a lot of effort made to seek out clarity on this and they're not providing it. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe they're talking about the monuments categories solely, but I'm obviously a bit biased as the nominator. Any thoughts @Ymblanter? Hey man im josh (talk) 17:37, 12 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Hey man im josh, I full support this move but I'd say move this to full Cfd, just to be safe. At this point, it is safe to say this person is deliberatly ignoring you. If they have an objection, they can raise it there. If not, then they had numerous oppertunities to do so. Omnis Scientia (talk) 21:15, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Natural Monuments of Nepal

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 00:22, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Capitalization fix; C2D per List of natural monuments in Nepal. It was sort of opposed as CFDS, so I am bringing this to a full CFD to be safe. Pinging @Hey man im josh, Omnis Scientia, and RadioKAOS for their thoughts. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 19:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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National (F/f)orests categories

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Charlotte (Queen of Hearts • talk) 00:22, 5 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Sort of WP:C2A, fixing capitalization. These were possibly opposed at CFDS, but to be safe I am initiating a full discussion. Pinging @Hey man im josh, Omnis Scientia, and RadioKAOS for their thoughts. BlasterOfHouses (HouseBlaster's alt • talk • he/they) 19:04, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:16, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Don't rename. In each case, all or nearly all of the items in the category contain the words "National Forest", capitalized as part of the proper name of the forest. So while the words "national" and "forest" are common nouns, in this context "National Forest" is always part of a proper noun. While it could be argued that "a national forest" is more correct than "a National Forest"—and I think that is at best debatable, since "National Forest" is an official designation, and does not simply mean "some forest in/belonging to/somehow relating to any old nation"—this is an instance where inconsistency between the categories and their contents will cause more confusion for readers and editors than leaving them all capitalized. P Aculeius (talk) 12:28, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename: "National Forest" is the designation, "National Forests" is not, hence, it's not a proper noun and shouldn't be capitalized. Also note that the USDA (1, 2, 3) downcases "national forest" outside of names and seems to consistently downcase "national forests". Hey man im josh (talk)
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Category:Jewish actors on Hogan's Heroes

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Convert Category:Jewish actors on Hogan's Heroes to article Jewish actors on Hogan's Heroes
Nominator's rationale: I think that this category needs a lot of context and thus should be a list/page not a category. Mason (talk) 18:32, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:American Folklorists of Color

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The result of the discussion was: manual merge to Category:African-American folklorists. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:17, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge per WP:OCawards Mason (talk) 18:23, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Retain -- This category is about a very specific group of folklorists, those that were named by the American Folklore Society. Some of those included are not African-American; some are Hispanic and Native American. Pete unseth (talk) 19:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But that's not a reason to keep a category. This isn't defining. Mason (talk) 19:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Smasongarrison, I would say delete rather than merge since they aren't all African American. (I don't know why it is a subcategory of that though since that is the case). ETA: also manually add categories if needed. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:36, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for checking! I think manually merge is a good solution. I had added everyone already to the American folklorists. Mason (talk) 19:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Plant root morphology

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmege. There's no need to distinguish between plant roots and plant toor morphology. Note: The category creator was banned blocked for disruptive category creation. Mason (talk) 15:57, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The creator has not been banned. Please do not make statements that are both incorrect and irrelevant when they could be seen as canvassing a debate.
That said, upmerge Andy Dingley (talk) 18:56, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per nom.
@Andy Dingley, I agree with what you said but the creator has indeed been blocked - See here - and that they were blocked for disruptive category creation. Additionally, I think it is relevant in this case because this was one of the many categories they created just before they were blocked. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:25, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I checked the ANI board and you were part of the convo there. So I'm guessing you meant something else by "bannned" since they are blocked from editing. I assumed they were interchangable. I'm guessing @Smasongarrison meant "blocked" as well. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:34, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I meant blocked. My bad. I've stricken and updated the nom. Mason (talk) 19:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cell division

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 02:15, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge. This category isn't helpful for navigation because it only has one page and a category. It's also a category created by a user blocked for disruptive category creation. Mason (talk) 15:40, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 30#Category:Jewish American legal scholars

Category:Church of Sweden clergymen in Colonial North America

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Category:France and the Sea

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The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Maritime organisations based in France. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:37, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Non-defining/vague category. Mason (talk) 03:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Nijisanji

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The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:36, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Category with only a single entry. Partofthemachine (talk) 02:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:People of Mexican side in the Texas Revolution

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Category:Things in the United States that were built by slaves

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 September 30#Category:Things in the United States that were built by slaves

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