Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 April 24

April 24

Category:Children's books set in the Bronze Age

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: split as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:57, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: split, isolated category with only two articles, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:13, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • I agree with the proposal to split the category. With only two articles, it doesn't provide much value, and splitting it into more specific categories would help with navigation and better organization. --Jeong seolah (talk) 06:23, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Creator of the category, I support the split. ForsythiaJo (talk) 03:13, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Children's books set in the Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:58, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated category, not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:41, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Four-thousanders of Hawaii

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The result of the discussion was: dual merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:58, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There are only two of these in the entire state, which are both already directly in Category:Mountains of Hawaii. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:34, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Date of birth/death uncertain/unknown

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The result of the discussion was: keep. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:56, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Peoplle are being misplaced in the date category, which is intended to be more specific than the year one, suggesting that the distinction may fail WP:ARBITRARYCAT, particularly for people who were born or died around the turn of a new year. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:17, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. There are numerous entries, such asNuruddin Ahmed (1904 – 1975) was an Indian lawyer and three-time mayor of Delhi which solely indicate subject's years, but not dates. There are also many entries which indicate one, but not the other, such asGeorges Blun (1 June 1893 – 1999) was a French journalist, thus categories that indicate absence of years should be separate from categories that indicate absence of dates, with the more important category aspect focusing upon the absence of years, rather than the absence of dates. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 21:45, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Roman Spinner. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:36, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose, in that Roman's logic makes sense to me: the administrative category "Date missing" implies a more specific and difficult administrative task than "Year missing." Now, "Year of death unknown" is usefully symmetric to "1925 deaths" etc. — it shows that the obligatory "died when?" category isn't just missing from the page. But personally I see no reason for the "Date of death uncertain/unknown" semantic categories to exist; that's uselessly broad, including as it does such people as (recently, famously) Gene Hackman; and it doesn't serve an administrative purpose either IMHO. So I'd just delete "Date of death unknown" and "Date of death uncertain" and leave the rest as-is. I also note that Roman himself proposed a YOB missing->DOB missing merger nineteen years ago, in 2006, and it didn't take then, either. :) --Quuxplusone (talk) 01:21, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Roman Spinner. --Bamyers99 (talk) 15:16, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Telegram channels of Russia

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 May 2#Category:Telegram channels of Russia

Category:Evangelical Christian fundamentalists

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The result of the discussion was: keep. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:56, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary subcategory as these are fundamentally the same thing; WP:OVERLAPCAT ButlerBlog (talk) 12:15, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Events by city

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The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:02, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename and re-parent, with very few exceptions this is all about organized events. After renaming the category can be moved under Category:Organized events by location. SubCategory:Disasters by city should be purged after the rename as these are not organized events. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Maldivian people by occupation and century

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The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:56, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. only one occupation in here SMasonGarrison 04:41, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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American cities in fiction

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 May 2#American cities in fiction

Category:People from Chastre

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The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:07, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry.

Also proposing to merge to same target Category:People from Walloon Brabant:

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Category:KLM Cityhopper accidents and incidents

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The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated. Category:KLM Cityhopper can be nominated separately. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:04, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Single category member, no additional pages to categorize. ~ Eejit43 (talk) 03:09, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Danish gastroenterologists

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The result of the discussion was: merge as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:55, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. Also merge with Category:Danish physicians.

Also nominating for merge:

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Category:Japan protected area stubs

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The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:54, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: To match the "Fooian" naming scheme (see Category:Indian protected area stubs as an example) - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 02:14, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Jewish American state legislators

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 May 2#Category:Jewish American state legislators

Category:African return diaspora

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:05, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There's no need to isolate these secondary diasporas SMasonGarrison 04:14, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep these categories are useful. GreekApple123 (talk) 15:26, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    How are they useful? @GreekApple123 I see them as adding extra layers which isolates these diasporas. SMasonGarrison 00:51, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Upon reflection, I think Category:African return diaspora (having only 1 subcategory) might not have enough content to be needed at the moment. Maybe that can be recreated in the future when there is more content to fill it. But the other two categories feel reasonable; secondary diasporas are distinct from "primary" diasporas in terms of being a lot more distant from their ancestral country, and I think it's helpful for readers to be able to quickly find that phenomenon while still being linked to it from the main diaspora's category. GreekApple123 (talk) 21:15, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    But the secondary diaspora just makes it harder to find. Like is there a specific distance here? Because it doesn't seem to me that distance from the homeland of the diaspora is a defining feature, like why is African American secondary, but Black Britain is not?SMasonGarrison 00:36, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Regarding your example of comparing African American and Black British, you have not noticed the exact characteristics of those diasporas. African-Americans are the diaspora formed by Africans directly ending up in America, so that is a "primary" diaspora (only one migratory stage). Note that the term "African-American diaspora" is used in Wikipedia to refer to the diaspora of African-Americans i.e. the African-Americans who have migrated out of America; this forms a secondary diaspora in relation to Africa, and so Category:African-American diaspora is under Category:African secondary diaspora, while Category:African-American society (which is for African-Americans) is not. The "Black Britain" page you mentioned is actually named "British African-Caribbean people", and they trace their immediate migratory heritage to the Caribbean, and only before that to Africa. That is what makes them a secondary diaspora (two stages of migration). Note that there is a separate page for the general African diaspora in Britain (I believe it covers both primary and secondary) at Black British people. Also, if you are looking for more understanding on how the secondary diaspora concept is already covered in other parts of Wikipedia, see Template:African diaspora.
    A compromise I thought of would be to maintain the secondary diaspora categories as they are, but simultaneously categorize all of their articles under the primary diaspora category. I think that would be helpful for those who want to navigate Category:Secondary diasporas while making the content maximally visible for those navigating under the primary diasporas.
    I believe in the value of having categorization for secondary diasporas, as there will be more of them in the future as migration continues, and they will have characteristics that do not exactly match up with those of "primary" diasporas; their characteristics will be determined by both their initial homeland and the second place they settled in, and therefore there is more analysis required to cover them (and therefore more categorization). Also, when articles are written about "tertiary" diasporas (three stages of migration), I would like to add the requisite categorization for that phenomenon, presumably by nesting that underneath secondary diasporas. But I can't do that if you delete all categorization relating to secondary diasporas. GreekApple123 (talk) 00:51, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for now, because of insufficient content. I would not object to recreation of the secondarg diaspora category when more articles about secondary diaspora are written (an overview article about the topic to begin with, and possibly more country articles). Marcocapelle (talk) 06:27, 18 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus currently favors merging Category:African return diaspora, but more participation is needed to form consensus regarding the other two nominated categories.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:26, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the nomination's argument "no need to isolate these secondary diasporas" is much less convincing than @GreekApple123's well considered argument. Nayyn (talk) 07:14, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:NBA championship–winning players

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 23:54, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Multiple discussions have found that this is a non-defining intersection. See Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2021_January_18#Category:Super_Bowl_champions for one discussion circa 2021. User:Namiba 19:08, 16 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:21, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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