Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 February 25
February 25
Category:Costa Rican footballers by populated place
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:Costa Rican footballers. (non-admin closure) it's lio! | talk | work 03:12, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Costa Rican footballers by populated place to Category:Costa Rican footballers
- Nominator's rationale: Subcategory with just two entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 23:45, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:38, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Legendary birds
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 March 6#Category:Legendary birds
Category:Collage album covers
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:30, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Non-defining characteristic StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 19:26, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose there are 20 entries here where this description is defining Nayyn (talk) 10:14, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
- There are 20 entries. How is having a cover with a collage defining to the album itself? StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:56, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, the articles are about albums, not about covers. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:00, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Classic WP:TRIVIALCAT. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 12:36, 27 February 2025 (UTC)
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Films by year of setting
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:31, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Films set in 79 AD (1 C)
- Propose merging Category:Films set in 1521 (1 P) to Category:Fiction set in 1521 and Category:Films set in the 1520s
- Propose merging Category:Films set in 1596 (2 P) to Category:Fiction set in 1596 and Category:Films set in the 1590s
- Propose merging Category:Films set in 1597 (1 P) to Category:Fiction set in 1597 and Category:Films set in the 1590s
- Nominator's rationale: merge, isolated categories with 1-2 entries, this is not helpful for navigation. Category:Films set in 79 AD does not have to be merged because the subcategory is already in Category:Films set in 1st-century Roman Empire. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:06, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
- 2 entries minimum each now (the first containing 5 through its sub-cat) and more can be added... -Mushy Yank. 19:29, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Merge/delete per nom. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:10, 16 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. (Absolutely opposed to deletion). There are categories for these individual years because, amont other things, they are historically significant in terms of dramatic potential. 79 is the year of the eruption of Mt. Vesuvius, for example. Just added one film to 1521 (Edict of Worms; etc.); and to 1597 (Battle of Myeongryang; https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/kindle/2014-08/21/content_18462255.htm_..... Having 1-2 entries NOW is not a problem and I beg to differ with the nominator: I find this very helpful for navigation, yes, when your interest is both in history and fiction. These category have potential and I invite users 1) to add them to the appropriate films 2) to create other categories for individual years. Some films are set in the 1590s, some are set precisely in 1596. It matters. Thanks.-Mushy Yank. 19:27, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Of course it matters and that precise information should be written in the article. Categories have a different purpose though, they are for the benefit of quickly finding lots of other articles in the same period, in this case the 1590s. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks. But that's assuming a reader is looking for "films set in the 1590s" (which they can, by clicking on the category in which films set in 1596 can be found) and nothing more precise. So, even if we keep the category as it is, the reader can find a lot of films set in the 1590s quickly. I therefore still oppose the merge (and deletion). -Mushy Yank. 16:49, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
- Merging will improve navigation. I don't understand your argument. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:01, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- And I don't understand how it could improve navigation, sorry. The
content[category] is already in Cat:Fiction set in YYYY. If you want to know other films set in 1596 and the category does not exist you have to click and open each and every page to check. How is this an improvement? -Mushy Yank. 18:53, 20 February 2025 (UTC)- (I understand your point.) But imagine you are a reader of, say, the page about Aztec Rex.
- Now imagine you want to know if there are films set in the same year. What categories would appear on the page: Category:Fiction set in 1596 and Category:Films set in the 1590s or only the latter? If it's only the latter, the reader is not helped at all. If it's both, don't you think one category is better instead and that it would avoid the reader clicking on the latter and missing the first etc. In other words, why make things possibly complicated and vague when they can be simple and precise?
- Now, if you want to know if there are films set in the same decade (or even century, millenium, why not?) you click (once, twice or thrice, respectively) and you find them. But it's easier and more natural this way than the other way around. Hope that's clear..... -Mushy Yank. 19:09, 20 February 2025 (UTC)
- And I don't understand how it could improve navigation, sorry. The
- Merging will improve navigation. I don't understand your argument. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:01, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks. But that's assuming a reader is looking for "films set in the 1590s" (which they can, by clicking on the category in which films set in 1596 can be found) and nothing more precise. So, even if we keep the category as it is, the reader can find a lot of films set in the 1590s quickly. I therefore still oppose the merge (and deletion). -Mushy Yank. 16:49, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
- The content will still be in Category:Fiction set in YYYY. Merging makes it easier for overall navigation. Having very narrow intersections is not helpful. –Aidan721 (talk) 18:00, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- Again, the
content[category] is already in Cat:Fiction set in YYYY. How and why would merging it make navigation easier? How and why having precise categories with individual years (an extremely common and populated "intersection as I am sure you know (see Category:Films by year of setting)) is not helpful??? -Mushy Yank. 18:56, 20 February 2025 (UTC)
- Again, the
- Of course it matters and that precise information should be written in the article. Categories have a different purpose though, they are for the benefit of quickly finding lots of other articles in the same period, in this case the 1590s. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Contested closure
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 16:45, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- For The Merchant of Venice (2004 film) it is entirely unclear whether is set in 1596, the article should be purged. That leaves Nova Zembla (film) isolated, there are no other films to navigate to. By having it in the 1590s category you can easily navigate to related films. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:00, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Venice, 1596. Watch the opening of the film. https://www.timeout.com/movies/the-merchant-of-venice. And I haven't checked other films; possibly more. You can navigate easily now too. It's part of a whole: Category:Films by year of setting. Why make exceptions for these years and not create the missing years, rather? There are films set in the 1590s and films set in1596 precisely. Next it will be 1603, then 1634, then 1770? -Mushy Yank. 20:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Watching the movie is WP:OR and, more importantly, it is an unnecessary nuisance if you need to go to a different category in order to find a reasonable amount of articles set in the same period. If someone is really interested in the year 1596 alone they can still find their stuff in Category:Fiction set in 1596. But why would anyone? 1596 wasn't a particularly special year. And yes, up to the French Revolution we should merge a lot more. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:38, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Watching the film to check its content is NOT WP:OR (but I was expecting this kind of reply, so I had provided you with a source about 1596. You haven't read it? Here's another one: https://www.nytimes.com/2004/12/29/movies/putting-a-stillvexed-play-in-a-historical-context.html (New York Times))..."Why would anyone be interested in 1596?" Your question speaks volumes....."Up to the French Revolution?" ....that's pretty arbitrary.... This last reply makes my !vote a STRONG oppose. Thank you for your time. I'm leaving it at that. -Mushy Yank. 23:26, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Watching the movie is WP:OR and, more importantly, it is an unnecessary nuisance if you need to go to a different category in order to find a reasonable amount of articles set in the same period. If someone is really interested in the year 1596 alone they can still find their stuff in Category:Fiction set in 1596. But why would anyone? 1596 wasn't a particularly special year. And yes, up to the French Revolution we should merge a lot more. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:38, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Venice, 1596. Watch the opening of the film. https://www.timeout.com/movies/the-merchant-of-venice. And I haven't checked other films; possibly more. You can navigate easily now too. It's part of a whole: Category:Films by year of setting. Why make exceptions for these years and not create the missing years, rather? There are films set in the 1590s and films set in1596 precisely. Next it will be 1603, then 1634, then 1770? -Mushy Yank. 20:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose deletion merging does not improve navigation for readers at all. Just having a few entries in a category is not a rationale for merge/deletion if it is defining.Nayyn (talk) 10:18, 26 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose I agree with Mushy Yank, small categories are very useful for navigation. Dimadick (talk) 16:00, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
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Category:20th-century executions by California
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- The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) it's lio! | talk | work 03:15, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:20th-century executions by California to Category:20th-century executions by The State of California
- Nominator's rationale: less confusion •Cyberwolf•. talk? 16:39, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose, unnecessary long name and unnecessary capitalization, while no risk of confusion. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:45, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Overly long name. What the heck is the difference of the so-called "State of California]] with California? Dimadick (talk) 16:02, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
- I just think it clears confusion for people outside the usa •Cyberwolf•. talk? 14:29, 3 March 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Sheriffs of Richmond County, New York
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:41, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Sheriffs of Richmond County, New York to Category:Politicians from Staten Island
- Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 14:56, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Merge or delete, the article is already in the target anyway. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:47, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete I don't see any chance of expansion, and the position is insignificant. What are the chanced that mere sheriffs will get press attention? Dimadick (talk) 16:04, 28 February 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Creative projects related to the Knowles–Carter family
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:41, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Superfluous and improperly populated. Relevant members of the family already have their own creative project trees. --woodensuperman 14:05, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:48, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
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People of Azuchi–Momoyama-period Japan
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 March 6#People of Azuchi–Momoyama-period Japan
Category:The Apprentice contestants
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 March 6#Category:The Apprentice contestants
Category:Rugby union in Falkirk
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:31, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Rugby union in Falkirk to Category:Rugby union in Falkirk (council area)
- Nominator's rationale: Current name is ambiguous, scope refers to the wider area rather than the town which is its seat Crowsus (talk) 01:36, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per C2B. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:41, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Rugby union in Stirling
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 18:31, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Rugby union in Stirling to Category:Rugby union in Stirling (council area)
- Nominator's rationale: Current name is ambiguous, scope refers to the wider area rather than the city which is its seat Crowsus (talk) 01:35, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy rename per C2B. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:41, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
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