Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 March 30
March 30
Category:Monsters
- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: merge Category:Legendary monsters to Category:Legendary creatures and Category:Monsters and Category:Mythological monsters to Category:Mythological creatures and Category:Monsters. This is a WP:BARTENDER close; there is clear consensus that the two nominated categories should not exist. There is no consensus to eliminate Category:Monsters as a result of this discussion; it can be nominated own its own. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:00, 21 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging both Category:Legendary monsters and Category:Mythological monsters together into Category:Monsters
- My reasoning: Honestly, there's just way too much overlap between these three categories. All of them are mostly about folkloric/legendary/mythical monsters that didn't originate from modern works of fiction. We only really need one category to cover them all, the other two subcategories are just too redundant. AHI-3000 (talk) 21:15, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Maybe a merge to a new category named Category:Folklore monsters?★Trekker (talk) 20:40, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe, but I think simply "Monsters" works best as the name for a merged supercategory to cover all types of monsters from folklore, legends and myths in general. AHI-3000 (talk) 01:51, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
- Dual merge, also merge Category:Legendary monsters to Category:Legendary creatures and Category:Mythological monsters to Category:Mythological creatures. Since these creatures parents exist, there is no reason to withdraw "monsters" from them. In addition, but that is a whole different discussion, I doubt if Category:Monsters should exist at all: labeling creatures as "monsters" largely looks as an exercise in WP:OR. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:21, 1 April 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose - the word "monster" is a subjective perjorative. Support merging all of the above to Category:Legendary creatures. Creatures of a mythology should be categorized by that specific mythology, not in some non-specific catch-all category. For example, Category:Legendary creatures in Egyptian mythology. Otherwise, they're merely legendary creatures from folklore. - jc37 11:00, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- We seem to agree on "monsters" to be merged to "creatures". But I am opposed to removing articles from the tree of Category:Mythological creatures before that category is discussed. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:12, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- I'm fine with waiting for a future nom for that tree. - jc37 18:26, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- To be clear, I pretty much Support Marcocapelle's proposal above: Merge Category:Legendary monsters to Category:Legendary creatures; and Category:Mythological monsters to Category:Mythological creatures. And Delete Category:Monsters. - jc37 14:24, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- I'm fine with waiting for a future nom for that tree. - jc37 18:26, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Do you still support the merger I originally proposed? AHI-3000 (talk) 17:23, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- I agree on merging, I disagree on the targets, because the tree of Monsters shouldn't be kept and the content should be moved to respective Creatures categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:29, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Why do we need separate folklore/legendary/mythological creatures categories (most of which have large overlap of multiple same subcategories)? On the other hand, if we have a category for Monsters, do we really need 2 or 3 different monster subcategories? As it is, we should only just have one general monster category for folkloric monster creatures, and a subcategory for Category:Fictional monsters in modern pop culture. AHI-3000 (talk) 00:41, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- @AHI-3000: the creatures categories currently are separate and they have not been nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:25, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: If you really think that we don't need a category for monsters in folklore, then why did you create Category:Legendary monsters and fill it up with subcategories and articles? Does it need to be separate from Category:Mythological monsters? AHI-3000 (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
- If I remember correctly, the discussion back then was whether articles in the root category were supposed to be fictional monsters or legendary monsters. By having a subcategory for both that problem was circumvented. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: But doesn't Legendary/Mythological monsters both cover the same subject? Do we need to have both of them? AHI-3000 (talk) 17:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
- Procedurally I'll just repeat what I have been saying all the time, the question becomes only relevant when Category:Mythological creatures and Category:Legendary creatures are nominated and that is not the case yet. Substantively I have doubts, I think it is not a coincidence that we have Category:Arthurian legend versus Category:Greek mythology. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:35, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: But doesn't Legendary/Mythological monsters both cover the same subject? Do we need to have both of them? AHI-3000 (talk) 17:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
- If I remember correctly, the discussion back then was whether articles in the root category were supposed to be fictional monsters or legendary monsters. By having a subcategory for both that problem was circumvented. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 6 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: If you really think that we don't need a category for monsters in folklore, then why did you create Category:Legendary monsters and fill it up with subcategories and articles? Does it need to be separate from Category:Mythological monsters? AHI-3000 (talk) 23:44, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
- @AHI-3000: the creatures categories currently are separate and they have not been nominated. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:25, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: Why do we need separate folklore/legendary/mythological creatures categories (most of which have large overlap of multiple same subcategories)? On the other hand, if we have a category for Monsters, do we really need 2 or 3 different monster subcategories? As it is, we should only just have one general monster category for folkloric monster creatures, and a subcategory for Category:Fictional monsters in modern pop culture. AHI-3000 (talk) 00:41, 4 April 2025 (UTC)
- I agree on merging, I disagree on the targets, because the tree of Monsters shouldn't be kept and the content should be moved to respective Creatures categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:29, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
- We seem to agree on "monsters" to be merged to "creatures". But I am opposed to removing articles from the tree of Category:Mythological creatures before that category is discussed. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:12, 3 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Odisha State Film Awards
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:56, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Odisha State Film Awards to Category:Indian film awards
- Nominator's rationale: Eponymous category with no content at all besides the eponym. This appears to be left over from an earlier time when we had a significant number of separate articles about individual categories presented by these awards, but they've all long since been redirected to the head article for lack of sourcing, so that the head article is all that's left. Obviously no prejudice against recreation in the future if categories start actually getting spun back out to standalone articles again, but it isn't necessary to retain this for just one article. Bearcat (talk) 19:57, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge, this could have been listed at WP:CFDS per WP:C2F. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:04, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per above, but it should also be merged to parent Category:Odisha awards, right? Felida97 (talk) 16:02, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:1267 in Shanghai
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:1267 in Shanghai to Category:1267 in Asia
- Nominator's rationale: Isolated category. Not useful for navigation. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:58, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Support in principle, per nom, but the article actually belongs in Category:1267 establishments in Asia. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- I've manually added the article to category so it's now effectively a deletion. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:10, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- I've manually added the article to category so it's now effectively a deletion. –Aidan721 (talk) 01:10, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per Aidan721. Felida97 (talk) 16:04, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Holy See heads of mission who did not attend the Pontifical Ecclesiastical Academy
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:56, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEF. Not attending this Catholic institution is not a defining characteristic of these people. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:39, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:07, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Too trivial for this website. Shankargb (talk) 23:35, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Holidays
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 April 21#Category:Holidays
Seasonal events
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- The result of the discussion was: rename/merge/reparent as nominated. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 22:24, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Propose renaming and reparenting Category:Seasonal events (Northern Hemisphere) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Seasons in the Northern Hemisphere
- Propose renaming Category:Autumn events (Northern Hemisphere) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Autumn in the Northern Hemisphere
- Propose renaming Category:Spring (season) events (Northern Hemisphere) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Spring (season) in the Northern Hemisphere
- Propose renaming Category:Summer events (Northern Hemisphere) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Summer in the Northern Hemisphere
- Propose renaming Category:Winter events (Northern Hemisphere) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Winter in the Northern Hemisphere
- Propose renaming and reparenting Category:Seasonal events (Southern Hemisphere) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Seasons in the Southern Hemisphere
- Propose renaming Category:Autumn events (Southern Hemisphere) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Autumn in the Southern Hemisphere
- Propose renaming Category:Spring (season) events (Southern Hemisphere) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Spring (season) in the Southern Hemisphere
- Propose renaming Category:Summer events (Southern Hemisphere) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Summer in the Southern Hemisphere
- Propose renaming Category:Winter events (Southern Hemisphere) (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Category:Winter in the Southern Hemisphere
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- Nominator's rationale: "Events" just means anything that occurred. Not a necessary distinction. Merge/rename seasonal events to the respective season categories. –Aidan721 (talk) 15:43, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Rename/merge per nom. In most cases the observances are, or should be, also in a month category such as Category:February observances. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:53, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment, there is not much in this tree that ties strongly to seasons at all. Winter sports have their own category, the season of global observances depends on the hemisphere and many national observances occur in a specific season more or less randomly. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:03, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- A purge might be warranted as well. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:25, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Based on what criteria? I wonder if we need this at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:43, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- A purge might be warranted as well. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:25, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Comment Aidan721, what do you mean by "reparenting"? Is this something that the bot can handle? Liz Read! Talk! 20:51, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
- @Liz: Category:Seasonal events (Northern Hemisphere), Category:Seasonal events (Southern Hemisphere), and Category:Seasonal events by country are the only ones that will need to be reparented since the Category:Seasonal events parent is being merged to Category:Seasonality. If the two hemishphere categories are renamed to Seasons in the X hemishphere then Category:Seasons should be the parent instead on Category:Seasonality. –Aidan721 (talk) 21:26, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Categories by event
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:09, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Categories by event to Category:Events
- Nominator's rationale: merge, a "Category:Categories by" is only useful when there are a lot of subcategories, but that is not the case here. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:11, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Presumably also merge to Category:Categories by parameter –Aidan721 (talk) 21:27, 5 April 2025 (UTC)
- No, Category:Categories by parameter contains only "Categories by" something. The subcategories of the nominated category do not belong there. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:07, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Categories by sports competition does. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:58, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Ok, then manually re-parent that one. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:21, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Categories by sports competition does. –Aidan721 (talk) 17:58, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- No, Category:Categories by parameter contains only "Categories by" something. The subcategories of the nominated category do not belong there. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:07, 11 April 2025 (UTC)
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Category:People from Skanör
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 14:57, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:People from Skanör to Category:People from Vellinge Municipality
- Nominator's rationale: Category with just two entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 11:22, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:51, 30 March 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per above. Shankargb (talk) 23:34, 31 March 2025 (UTC)
- Rename category (and parent Category:Skanör) Category:People from Skanör med Falsterbo (and Category:Skanör med Falsterbo) after Skanör med Falsterbo, the Statistics Sweden locality. This will bring up the number of entries. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 23:17, 7 April 2025 (UTC)
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