Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 May 10
May 10
Category:Ambassadors of England to the Mughal Empire
- Nominator's rationale: merge, only two articles in the category and parent Category:English expatriates in the Mughal Empire is equally sparse. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:41, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
Category:Rolling Stone's 500 Greatest Albums of All Time
- Nominator's rationale: Inclusion of an album on a list is not a defining characteristic, particularly considering there have been multiple versions of Rolling Stone's list over the years. Also, this category fails WP:TOPTEN and is even the example given for categories that fail that criteria. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 21:45, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
Category:Models from Shimane Prefecture
- Propose merging Category:Models from Shimane Prefecture to Category:People from Shimane Prefecture
- Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 20:08, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Merge as proposed. Overcategorization. Gjs238 (talk) 20:46, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:43, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
Category:Kerala Award Winners
- Nominator's rationale: If kept, would be renamed Kerala Award winners and become a shell category with no articles. Parent would be Category:Kerala awards and its subcats would populate this category. Gjs238 (talk) 20:05, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:OCAWARD. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:03, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
Category:Geopolitical rivalry
- Nominator's rationale: WP:ARBITRARYCAT, WP:SUBJECTIVECAT. We could include any and all wars, diplomatic incidents, technological races etc. in this category by claiming these are all manifestations of "geopolitical rivalry", two words that are extremely vague, subjective and open to libraries full of interpretations. Best get rid of it all.
- Alt proposal: manually upmerge few, Purge the rest: At most, I would suggest strictly, manually upmerging the few articles that contain the word 'rivalry' in the title to parent Category:Rivalry. Those would be Austro-Prussian rivalry, Danish–Hanseatic rivalry, French–Habsburg rivalry, and possibly French–German enmity. And then we Purge all other articles and subcategories that are not about "rivalry" as such. NLeeuw (talk) 18:50, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Support alt, in principle I agree with the nomination but the four articles mentioned by NLeeuw are indeed about rivalry. Marcocapelle (talk) 23:08, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
Category:International Confederation of Labor
- Propose renaming Category:International Confederation of Labor to Category:International Confederation of Labour
- Nominator's rationale: Requesting a change to the English variation of this category. The organisation itself uses the variant "International Confederation of Labour" (see About page and Introduction on website). It also gets wider usage in scholarly sources, with 5 results on Google Scholar for "Labour", and 2 for "Labor". Grnrchst (talk) 15:56, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'm the creator of this category and I only used American English to be consistent with the now-redirected article for the ICL–CIT so it doesn't make any difference to me. Charles Essie (talk) 16:07, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. NLeeuw (talk) 18:56, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Members of the International Confederation of Labour would more accurately describe what is in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:15, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: "Members of" categories are typically used for people, not sections. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:42, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- Category:Sections of the International Confederation of Labour is also fine. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:35, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: "Members of" categories are typically used for people, not sections. --Grnrchst (talk) 08:42, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
Category:Explorers of Ayodhya
- Nominator's rationale: delete, the single article is already in Category:Explorers of South Asia and that broader category makes more sense for this article. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:25, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
Category:Fishers
- Propose renaming Category:Fishers to Category:Fishermen
- Nominator's rationale: rename per article title Fisherman. I have not listed this for speedy renaming because people might object that this excludes women. However "women fishermen" seems to be valid too. Presumably when this goes ahead the subcategories can be speedied. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:12, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- do we know why it's called fishers? Jahaza (talk) 01:52, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Mike Selinker is the apparently still active category creator. Jahaza (talk) 01:55, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- That was in 2006. If I had to guess, it might have been because Category:Fictional fishers existed and I thought it needed a container category. Mike Selinker (talk) 02:57, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Mike Selinker is the apparently still active category creator. Jahaza (talk) 01:55, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- do we know why it's called fishers? Jahaza (talk) 01:52, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
Category:21st-century Indian child actors
- Propose deleting Category:21st-century Indian child actors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose merging Category:21st-century Indian male child actors to Category:21st-century Indian male actors and Category:Indian male child actors
- Propose merging Category:21st-century Indian child actresses to Category:21st-century Indian actresses and Category:Indian child actresses
- Nominator's rationale: I think diffusing an occupation you age out of by century is helpful for navigation. It's too each to accidentally remove them from the parent century category. I recommend upmerging these two. Notably, there is no 21st-century child actresses category. SMasonGarrison 14:16, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
Category:Dynasties of Medieval Andhradesa
- Propose renaming Category:Dynasties of Medieval Andhradesa to Category:Dynasties of medieval Andhra
- Nominator's rationale: rename, unnecessary capitalization of medieval. Change Andhradesa to Andhra per article title Coastal Andhra. This was part of a wider discussion at speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:03, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Places in mythology
- Propose renaming Category:Places in mythology to Category:Locations in mythology
- Nominator's rationale: rename, nearly all subcategories are called "locations" and "locations" is used more than "places" generally, see Category:Categories by location. This was opposed for speedy. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:22, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Rename category tree but in reverse: I agree that we should name the category tree consistently either Places or Locations. However, my preference is Places. It is ultimately a subcategory of Category:Places, which also includes Category:Places in popular culture. Mclay1 (talk) 14:26, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Africa, Asia and Europe are locations, but they aren't places. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:41, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: How are continents not places? Place and location are synonymous. OED defines place as "A particular part or region of space; a physical locality, a locale; a spot, a location. Also: a region or part of the earth's surface." Cambridge Dictionary defines location as "a place or position". If anything, I'd say location conveys more specificity in terms of a precise place, and I'd be less likely to call a continent a location. Mclay1 (talk) 12:41, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
- Africa, Asia and Europe are locations, but they aren't places. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:41, 11 May 2025 (UTC)
American cities in fiction
- Propose merging Category:Mobile, Alabama in fiction to Category:Mobile, Alabama
- Propose merging Category:Flagstaff, Arizona in fiction to Category:Flagstaff, Arizona
- Propose merging Category:Fayetteville, Arkansas in fiction to Category:Fayetteville, Arkansas
- Propose merging Category:Fort Smith, Arkansas in fiction to Category:Fort Smith, Arkansas
- Propose merging Category:Little Rock, Arkansas in fiction to Category:Little Rock, Arkansas
- Propose merging Category:West Memphis, Arkansas in fiction to Category:West Memphis, Arkansas
- Propose merging Category:Cupertino, California in fiction to Category:Cupertino, California
- Propose merging Category:Long Beach, California in fiction to Category:Long Beach, California
- Propose merging Category:Palo Alto, California in fiction to Category:Palo Alto, California
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:36, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
Category:National flag of Mexico
- Propose merging Category:National flag of Mexico to Category:Flags of Mexico
- Nominator's rationale: Highly overlapping with the parent category. SMasonGarrison 01:48, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Merge, while there is a theoretical distinction it does not really make sense in practice to keep it apart. We do not do this for other countries either as far as I can see. Marcocapelle (talk) 02:57, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
Category:Mind.in.a.box albums
- Nominator's rationale: I created this category ten years ago when the albums had articles. They have since all been redirected to the group's article, making this category now useless. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 00:38, 10 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 00:48, 10 May 2025 (UTC)