Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 May 3

May 3

Cfd Category:Historic Scotland properties in Aberdeenshire

  • Historic Scotland properties in Argyll and Bute
  • Historic Scotland properties in Dumfries and Galloway
  • Historic Scotland properties in North Ayrshire
  • Historic Scotland properties in Orkney
  • Historic Scotland properties in the Scottish Borders
  • Historic Scotland properties in Shetland
  • Historic Scotland properties in South Ayrshire
  • All of these are to be renamed inline with the Category:Historic Scotland properties in Aberdeenshire category rename. Historic Scotland is the old/previous name of Historic Environment Scotland. Paul Gault

Category:Historic Scotland properties in Aberdeenshire

Nominator's rationale: Historic Scotland is the old/previous name of Historic Environment Scotland. Atomdestroyers (talk) 23:18, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Chiara Siracusa songs

Nominator's rationale: Only contains redirects, and no other known existing articles to populate this category with, therefore the category is effectively redundant. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 18:42, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Michalis Hatzigiannis songs

Nominator's rationale: Only one known entry, which is itself a redirect, making this category effectively redundant. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 18:39, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:United States Citizens detained by immigration officials in the US

Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT and WP:CATNAME
These two categories hold the same articles so we just need one. Creating a clear and NPOV name is challenging though since these incidents don't involve being "arrested" in any conventional sense, not all of the people were deported, and none of the agents have been charged or convicted of crimes, so "detained" seemed like the only term left. (Totally open to alternative renames though.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 17:11, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • First, I completely agree they should be merged, and am not sure how I ended up creating two different cats that are so similar. I'll go through the diffs to try to make sure it doesn't happen again.
  • Second, I agree thatCreating a clear and NPOV name is challenging. I made a suggestion here, but it's even longer.
  • Third, I'm not sure I agree that the title should get as specific asby U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement vs. something likeby U.S. immigration officials because in some of the instances (e.g. Detention of Juan Carlos Lopez-Gomez) the arrest and detention were by FL highway patrol and then a local jail as far as I can tell. In other cases (not in this category, but related) all agencies are denying that they participated (e.g. Rumeysa Ozturk) but there were clearly law enforcement offers acting as immigration officials. What do you think?
i know you're a dog 20:22, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Beyond those two examples, even internal ICE functions are outsourced to for-profit operators so GEO Group operates many of their detention centers and Eastern Air Express flies many of their deportations. I'm not sure if it's precise to call employees of other agencies and private companies "immigration officials". But my name is also imperfect since the citizens are all being detained upon behalf of ICE but not necessarily by ICE. (I'm good with either name, or a different one, so long as we go down to one category.) RevelationDirect (talk) 21:34, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Template shortcuts

Nominator's rationale: Currently only contains 2 pages which are rightly and adequately categorised in Category:Date-computing templates based on current time, and do not meet the stated inclusion criteria. I already removed {{Prod-nn}} and {{Checked sockpuppet}} as not belonging here either. This category was previously nominated by User:SMcCandlish at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016_March_20#Category:Template_shortcuts for renaming to Wrapper templates, which did not achieve consensus. That target name was independently created later; I did not find any contents there that had been moved from here, nor was I able to trace what happened to any other previous contents from here. – Fayenatic London 15:54, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: It seems reasonable for maintenance purposes to categorize actual redirects (whether "shortcuts" or not) that are to template namespace, but isn't this already done somewhere, using an rcat template? I don't see any point, though, in trying to categorize "shortcuts" since people disagree on what qualifies. Pretty often I find {{R from shortcut}} on redirects that are not actually shorter than the real page names they resolve to, so I remove that rcat template. I can't see a maint. purpose in trying to categorize redirs by a term people subjectively disagree about or misinterpret, especially since functionally (i.e. for maint. purposes) there is no difference between a "shortcut" redir and a non-"shortcut" redir. Plus, this cat. is simply not used, so even if a purpose could be imagined for it, it's not serving that purpose and is just chaff.  — SMcCandlish ¢ 😼 01:01, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Subtemplates of template sigfig

Nominator's rationale: Category is not needed for just 2 subpages. – Fayenatic London 14:58, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sports competitions in Europe by region

Nominator's rationale: delete, none of the five subcategories is properly about a region. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:03, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lists of festivals in North America by region

Nominator's rationale: rename, more accurate and aligned with Category:Lists of people by first-level administrative country subdivision. By the way for both of them I would also be okay with dropping "first-level" and/or "administrative". If other editors feel it can be shorter I will tag the people category too. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:05, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lists of places by country

Nominator's rationale: split, it is generally far more common to use "populated places" instead of "places" and using both in parallel is merely confusing. Places that are not populated can simply go in geography. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:41, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ascalon in fiction

Nominator's rationale: rename and re-parent to the Works tree. Normally "in fiction" categories contain "works set in", "fictional people" and "fictional locations". But in the above case there are only works. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hungarian people of Caribbean descent

Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one category in here, which isn't helpful for navigation SMasonGarrison 05:17, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:21st-century anarchists

Nominator's rationale: selective merge. There's really not a need to diffuse by century for a modern political orientation SMasonGarrison 04:45, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • We divide writers by century because we can go back to antiquity and middle ages. If writing would have started in the 19th century we would probably also not diffuse them by century. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:14, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ethnic Hungarian people

Nominator's rationale: redundant category layer that overlaps with Hungarian diaspora SMasonGarrison 02:59, 17 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:56, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:55, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Metaphors referring to wolves

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SHAREDNAME. The articles are already in more appropriate wolves-related categories. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:31, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is part of a large animal metaphor tree. Jahaza (talk) 23:50, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose unless you want to delete the supercat Category:Metaphors referring to animals (which I would also oppose), why pick on wolves. True, there are a one or two articles that you could argue to remove from the cat, such as Lone wolf terrorism, if you really want to, tho I wouldn't. Herostratus (talk) 02:23, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Unsure about deletion, but certainly needs a purge as a number of the entries are not metaphors/idioms and make no sense being in this category. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 00:14, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on pruning the category?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 03:50, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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