May 9
NEW NOMINATIONS
Category:Surinamese sportspeople by populated place
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Only one populated place in here SMasonGarrison 01:22, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Andorran sportspeople by populated place
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one populated place in here, which isn't helpful for navigation SMasonGarrison 01:21, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Energy infrastructure closed in 1964
- Nominator's rationale: Procedural nomination. Sometime between the initiation and closure of Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 April 22#Category:Energy infrastructure closed in 1975, the creator of those two deleted categories did start trying to expand that scheme with several other similar categories for other years -- but even though the nomination (and the sole delete vote) were both predicated mainly on the lack of categories for other years, nobody noticed the creation of these other categories in time to reevaluate their position.
To be fair, these are all still small categories for just one or two things each, and the schema is still quite scattershot (i.e. some years but not others), so it's still not a given that they're needed -- but we do have to revisit it regardless, since the original discussion hinged on the 1975 category being a standalone isolate at the time of nomination, which it wasn't anymore at time of closure.
So do we want to overturn the prior result and recreate those two categories on the grounds that the tree was expanded, or is this still unnecessary if all of the categories are still so small? Bearcat (talk) 15:58, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.Relisting comment: Thoughts on Marcocapelle's suggestion of merging to decades?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:09, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Nazi German Gulag detainees
- Nominator's rationale: narrow category at the intersection of political orientation, nationality, and prison location SMasonGarrison 03:09, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Works by Deobandis
- Nominator's rationale: Corresponding to the naming format used for subcats within sibling Category:Works by writer nationality. – Fayenatic London 19:50, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose, Actually, not all Deobandis are writers. Some were teachers whose teachings were later published in written form—sometimes without their knowledge. Some were muftis who issued rulings that were later compiled and published.–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 20:12, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Marcocapelle: Can you explain why in detail?–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 22:24, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Because then it is not the work of the Deobandi. But I wonder, is this a real argument or a hypothetical argument? Does this category really contain some works that weren't written by Deobandis? Marcocapelle (talk) 22:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Marcocapelle: Let me explain. "Deobandi" refers to a school of thought within Sunni Islam, and "Deobandis" are its followers. For example, Anwar Shah Kashmiri is a well-known Deobandi scholar who served as the chief Hadith teacher at Darul Uloom Deoband for many years. Although he was a distinguished scholar, he had no interest in writing. One of his students published Al-Arf al-Shadhi, a compilation of Anwar Shah Kashmiri's teachings on Sunan al-Tirmidhi. Later, another student of his published Maarif al-Sunan, which also compiled his teachings on the same subject. Maarif al-Sunan argued that Al-Arf al-Shadhi contradicted Anwar Shah Kashmiri's original teachings. In this case, both books can be considered works of Anwar Shah Kashmiri, as they are compilations of his teachings, even though he did not write them himself.–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 00:13, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- As I mentioned in detail, not all Deobandis are writers; they belong to various domains, a point Marcocapelle acknowledged. He suggested changing the category "Books by Anwar Shah Kashmiri" to "Books about Anwar Shah Kashmiri's teachings" or "Books about Anwar Shah Kashmiri." However, I disagree with this suggestion, as such categories are misleading. Books are not always written by the author themselves; sometimes, they are compiled from oral teachings or lectures. In this case, the books were compiled by students from Anwar Shah Kashmiri's lectures, and while he didn’t write them directly, the authorship is still attributed to him through his teachings. The students are merely compilers.–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 21:23, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
American cities in fiction
- Propose merging Category:Birmingham, Alabama in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Birmingham, Alabama
- Propose merging Category:Anchorage, Alaska in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Anchorage, Alaska
- Propose merging Category:Phoenix, Arizona in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Phoenix, Arizona
- Propose merging Category:Scottsdale, Arizona in fiction (1 C) to Category:Scottsdale, Arizona
- Propose merging Category:Tucson, Arizona in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Tucson, Arizona
- Propose merging Category:Hot Springs, Arkansas in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Hot Springs, Arkansas
- Propose merging Category:Burbank, California in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Burbank, California
- Propose merging Category:Fresno, California in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Fresno, California
- Propose merging Category:Oakland, California in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Oakland, California
- Propose merging Category:Palm Springs, California in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of Palm Springs, California
- Propose merging Category:San Jose, California in fiction (1 C) to Category:Culture of San Jose, California
- Propose merging Category:Salinas, California in fiction (1 C) to Category:Salinas, California
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory each. The merge targets are open for discussion too: "culture of" happens to be the parent categories, but maybe not the best. Alternatively we may merge e.g. to Category:Birmingham, Alabama instead of to Category:Culture of Birmingham, Alabama. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:15, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose. A book that is set in Birmingham, AL may or may not have anything culturally significant to that place, which is what people generally would be looking for when they navigate to these categories. Merging makes an assumption about what culture is. The merge suggestion will lead to large and unwieldy culture categories. It makes things less useful for the reader and explorer of the encyclopedia. I'm not sure what the harm is in these categories existing.
- Can you explain further what is "redundant" about this category layer from a culture context? Nayyn (talk) 07:10, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Nayyn: the current navigation route is Category:Birmingham, Alabama ->Category:Culture of Birmingham, Alabama -> Category:Birmingham, Alabama in fiction ->Category:Works set in Birmingham, Alabama. Since there is nothing else in Category:Birmingham, Alabama in fiction we can simplify the navigation route to either Category:Birmingham, Alabama ->Category:Culture of Birmingham, Alabama -> Category:Works set in Birmingham, Alabama or to Category:Birmingham, Alabama ->Category:Works set in Birmingham, Alabama. It is just a matter of finding the right content with less effort. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:20, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Somali Christians
- Nominator's rationale: The contents of this category as well as all of the parents (Somalian people by religion, Christians by nationality, Christianity in Somalia) point toward Somalian, rather than Somali. Typically, I'd nominate this as speedy, but this distinction seems to summon debate. SMasonGarrison 00:53, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]