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Discussion for Today

This page is transcluded from Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025_May_7


May 7

NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Accidents and incidents involving the Lockheed Starliner

Nominator's rationale: The Starliner is a variant of the Constellation and usually it's not considered a completely separate aircraft. A similar example, the Boeing 720, has its crashes included in Category:Accidents and incidents involving the Boeing 707. List of Lockheed Constellation variants counts the Starliner as a Constellation variant. Finally, Template:Lockheed Constellation family also does the same. The Starliner category should be merged into the Constellation one. Mr slav999 (talk) 17:39, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Azerbaijani artist stubs

Nominator's rationale: Underpopulated stub category, with no evidence of approval by Wikiproject Stub sorting. As always, stub categories are not free for just any user to create on a whim -- the bar for the creation of a stub category is 60 articles, so stub categories normally have to be submitted to the Wikiproject for discussion. But there's no evidence of that process having been followed here, and the category has just two articles in it, with little prospect of finding 58 more quickly.
Furthermore, the template is duplicate-categorizing the two entries in both this category and the Category:Azerbaijani people stubs parent category at the same time, which isn't how things are done either.
Note that there are also separate {{Azerbaijan-architect-stub}}, {{Azerbaijan-painter-stub}} and {{Azerbaijan-sculptor-stub}} templates, but they aren't on enough articles to salvage this — architect is on two, painter is on six and sculptor is on zero, so even if they were modified to move the articles here we'd still be 50 articles short of the bar. Bearcat (talk) 16:35, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:American people of Assamese descent

Nominator's rationale: Category newly created for just one person. As always, navigation of Wikipedia is not aided by obsessively subcategorizing everything down into the narrowest possible microcategories of just one entry -- this would be fine if there were a substantial number of people to file here, but is not needed for just one person. The one person filed here, further, is a person from Assam who emigrated to the United States as an adult, which is not the same thing as what the category name implies: the phrasing "American people of X descent" normally requires the person to be born in the United States with close or distant ancestors who emigrated from X before the subject's birth, and does not typically include people who were personally born in X themselves — someone personally from X who emigrated themselves would be an "X emigrant to the United States", not an "American person of X descent". Bearcat (talk) 16:02, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Lists category newly created for just one list. This would be fine if there were several lists to file here, but none of the parent categories appear to contain anything else that could be moved here, and navigation of Wikipedia is not aided by obsessively subcategorizing everything down into the narrowest possible microcategories of one thing. Bearcat (talk) 15:02, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The content has to exist first, and then the category can be created to contain it second, not vice versa. "Planning" to create content in the future isn't enough, because what if (a) you never actually get around to following through on that plan, or (b) you do but the article then gets deleted as inadequate? So we don't create categories in service of possible future content that doesn't exist yet — the content comes first, and then the category to contain it comes after the content exists. Bearcat (talk) 16:38, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Got it. Could you please clarify how many articles are required for a category? Barseghian Lilia (talk) 16:45, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Generally at least two for a "lists of X" category. (It can be five or even 60 articles in some other situations, so don't just go around creating a bunch of two-article categories at random, but two is generally enough for a "lists of X" category, though even more than two is better if possible.) If you get the cheese list in place before the seven-day discussion process is up on May 14, then I'd be happy to withdraw this since the category will have more than one list in it — but if the cheese list isn't in place by the 14th, then we can't keep the category just because a second list might get added to it someday. Bearcat (talk) 17:04, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sandrine François songs

Nominator's rationale: Only one known entry within this category, and per WP:NSONG unlikely to be any further entries created. No need to retain this category given the single entry is listed in the parent article. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:29, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:One (band) songs

Nominator's rationale: Only one known entry within this category, and per WP:NSONG unlikely to be any further entries created. No need to retain this category given the single entry is listed in the parent article. Sims2aholic8 (talk) 14:29, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Primitive painters

Nominator's rationale: these seem to be overlapping. SMasonGarrison 13:54, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as Naïve art and Primitivism explain, they are not the same. Naïve is art produced by untrained artists. Primitivism is trained artists imitating the style of naïve art or idealizing and aestheticizing Primitive art. --Jahaza (talk) 15:38, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Works set in cities

Nominator's rationale: rename and re-parent to the Works tree. Normally "in fiction" categories contain "works set in", "fictional people" and "fictional locations". But in the above cases there are only works. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:33, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Saint Kitts and Nevis geography stubs

Nominator's rationale: There are only 46 mainspace articles in the category, when stub categories should have at least 60 - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 19:42, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on Grutness's comment?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 00:38, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose – a country-level geography category seems likely to fill up again. jlwoodwa (talk) 17:45, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, silviaASH (inquire within) 08:41, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, without prejudice against reconsideration in the future if circumstances change. As noted above, 60 articles is the bar for the initial creation of a stub category, and there's no rule that every category has to stay above 60 articles at all times or else face immediate deletion the moment it drops into the 50s. Also, it's currently at 50 articles, not 46. This was duly approved by the stub sorting project at the time, so it obviously met the required standard, and geography stub categories can fluctuate in size as new content gets created and/or destubbed. So if this had dropped into the teens or twenties, then there'd be a strong case for the proposed merge — but at 50, there's still a strong possibility of ten new ones being added again, unless the project could definitively prove that there aren't ten Kittitian geographic topics left to start new articles about. Bearcat (talk) 16:18, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:LGBTQ themes in Greek mythology

Nominator's rationale: purge biographies and biographical subcategories, LGBTQ theme is not a defining characteristic of them. There is already a list of homosexual lovers in Greek mythology. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I find the characteristic fairly defining for those articles, especially in context of studies about LGBT and Ancient Greece. Also, the list is an article, not a category, so its existence does not make the category superfluous.
Deiadameian (talk) 09:22, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, for same reasons as above. Additionally, the biographies in this category cover figures who have LGBTQ themes but were not in same-sex relationships, which the LGBTQ themes category captures in a way that the article focusing on homoerotic themes cannot. Hobbitina (talk) 19:42, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, silviaASH (inquire within) 08:38, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:PlayStation 4-only games

Nominator's rationale: Like with Category:Sega 32X-only games and Category:PlayStation VR2-only games, PSVR exclusives should have their own category, just for consistency's sake. PSVR is a game console accessory with its own library, just like PSVR2 and Sega 32X. There are definitely enough PSVR games to justify its own category. Jursha (talk) 20:09, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, silviaASH (inquire within) 08:37, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Propose renaming
  • OPTION A
  • OPTION B
Nominator's rationale: rename for consistency. Option A is consistent with the wider tree: Category:Ancient history, Category:Ancient history by country. Option B is consistent specifically with Category:Classical antiquity which is not part of this nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:02, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Option B. Some of the category names proposed under "Option A" are problematic because of the wording: history is literally the record of events that occurred in the past. History is not the past itself, and modern art/literature/other things that happen to use the past as a setting are not part of the history of the period in which they are set. I realize that people will understand what "X in ancient history" means, and that some people use "ancient history" loosely so that it means "antiquity", but that's sloppy—and a bit slangy: "ancient history" is sometimes used to refer dismissively to anything not sufficiently contemporary from someone's subjective point of view; "antiquity" is not. While I don't think we need to police the contents of articles to keep out imperfect phrasing, we should avoid it in category and article titles. P Aculeius (talk) 15:26, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, silviaASH (inquire within) 08:35, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Option B for the reason described by P Aculeius. Jahaza (talk) 15:41, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:20th-century Tanzanian painters

Nominator's rationale: underpopulated category. If not dual merged, it should be broadened to 20th-century Tanzanian artists SMasonGarrison 04:47, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Chilean nephrologists

Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. Also merge with Category:Chilean physicians.

Also nominating for merge:

Category:Argentine emergency physicians

Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. Also merge with Category:Argentine physicians.

Also nominating for merge:

Category:Ambassadors of England to the Netherlands

Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content of the category: all ambassadors of England were from before 1707 and the Dutch Republic lasted until 1795. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:43, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: rename per actual content of the category: all ambassadors of Great Britain were from before 1801 and the kingdom of the Netherlands was not established any earlier than 1814. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:12, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Local AccuWeather Channel affiliates

Nominator's rationale: Just three affiliates. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 03:00, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Armadale and Thornlie lines

Nominator's rationale: This category is superseded by Category:Armadale line and Category:Thornlie–Cockburn line. This category is a remnant from before Armadale and Thornlie lines was split into Armadale line and Thornlie–Cockburn line. Steelkamp (talk) 02:46, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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