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February 21

NBA request to be on CNN news as a reporter overrule Renato Mariotti

My name is Michelle Gilbert I was a volunteer for CNN news reporter with Renato Mariotti we worked as a team he's not letting me be on CNN not sure why but we are trying to take down Trump as a team and he's not letting me be on CNN news with him anymore and he won't respond when I ask him why he is ignoring me no response at all. Please see what you can do so I can be on CNN? I've been answering his questions as a volunteer and I would like to work for CNN as a job I've worked hard as a volunteer. My nickname is puple49 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purple49 (talkcontribs) 00:36, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

This is the help page for the Wikipedia encyclopedia. We can't help with anything else. RudolfRed (talk) 01:59, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


Hi, could you please help to advise as to how I can change my profile picture? I've done everything as required per the edit tool, using an image from my own camera - but it will not accept it. I'm bamboozled. Is there anything you could do to help me? Sincerely, JIMMY J VALENTINE (talk) 05:47, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Yelling... ? Erm.. ok. Thanks.JIMMY J VALENTINE (talk) 07:48, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@JIMMY J VALENTINE: Please stop yelling. Thank you, - FlightTime (open channel) 05:54, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
@JIMMY J VALENTINE: You do not appear to have a a profile or picture (or anything else) here at Wikipedia. Perhaps you are thinking about a profile on some other web site. If so, you will have to ask at that web site, not here. This is the help desk for Wikipedia. -Arch dude (talk) 07:03, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, thanks. No, it's simply that I was using a pseudonym as my user name. Anyway, I'll stand down - but thanks for responding. Best regards, JIMMY J VALENTINE (talk) 07:48, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, JIMMY J VALENTINE. It's a little hard to work out what you mean - I guess that there is an article on Wikipedia about you (which is neither yours, nor a profile, by the way), and you want to replace the picture with one of your own; but you are using a pseudonym to edit (which is fine) and you don't want to tell us the name of the article (which is also fine, but it's hard to help you if you don't). If the new picture is yours (you hold the copyright) then you should be able to upload it to Commons. If it was not taken by you - even on your camera, then you probably don't own the copyright, and you need to get the photographer to release it. Easiest is if they upload it as "own work", and license it on the fly; alternatively, they can follow the procedure in donating copyright materials, and then you can upload it.
One more point: whether you use a pseudonym or your real name, you still have a conflict of interest in editing the article about yourself. Replacing the picture with a better one is probably fine, but in general you should not be editing the article, but should instead be making edit requests on the article's talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 09:29, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks very much, ColinFine. I appreciate the effort taken. I'll take this on board and see what I can do. To be honest, it's not something I'm losing sleep over - I simply thought I'd ask, in case there was something I might be able to do (yes, vanity, pure and simple, I don't like the shot; but no interest in editing the articles) but didn't realise it was going to end up on a forum like this. Again, much appreciated. Sincerely, JIMMY J VALENTINE (talk) 10:39, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Duplicate article

Can I make my own personal copy of 92nd Academy Awards? As I watch each movie, I would put my own check on the list. I guess I am asking if I can move a duplicate article to my own user page. It would only be for my personal use. If so, how can I do it?Eschoryii (talk) 06:48, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@Eschoryii:Sorry, but no. Please read WP:NOT. Wikipedia is not a general-purpose private hosting service. Since Wikipedia's copyright is CC-BY-SA, what you can do copy and paste the page into a file on your own computer or onto a free service such as Google Drive, and use it as a log there. If you chose to then share it further, be sure to attribute it to Wikipedia. -Arch dude (talk) 06:56, 21 February 2020 (UTC) ThanksEschoryii (talk) 15:55, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Moving our company page

Hi there, I'm trouble getting our old company page (LMAX Exchange) redirected to the re-named company page (LMAX Group) - the page titles still says LMAX Exchange but I can't seem to change it whatever I do. Can someone please help? Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lemeax2018 (talkcontribs) 10:38, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Lemeax2018 You don't have enough edits to be able to move the page yourself, you may request a move at Requested Moves; first, you should review the information I placed on your user talk page regarding your username and a conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 11:02, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Also note that it is not "your company page", but an article about your company. See WP:OWN for more information. 331dot (talk) 11:03, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Thank you - I don't believe the username violates anything. Have followed your instructions for the page move - thank you very much for your help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lemeax2018 (talkcontribs) 11:20, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Image Appearing in box and not centered within info box

The image in the article Draft:Karhoo is appearing on the right hand side of the info box. It also has a frame around it.

How do I centre it and remove the frame?

I tried removing the file name from the thumb but that did not work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Random User ME (talkcontribs) 11:51, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done. In infoboxes you only need to put the file name, the infobox takes care of everything else. - X201 (talk) 12:00, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


Hi, I am Swedish and work for Stockholm university for now. I see that on the English Stockholm University side the log is old. I want to change it but I can´t because I have been a member for a short time. Can someone please upload this log instead Please help me with this. It is important. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FannyFranzén94 (talkcontribs) 12:38, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@FannyFranzén94: has white text on blue background with no border on some of the sides. It appears intended for display on a blue background at At Stockholm University it would be displayed on a white or light gray background. I don't think that would look good. has a link to [1] which has blue text on white background. This seems better for Wikipedia. Is it acceptable? PrimeHunter (talk) 13:11, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes it is better and acceptable. You can also see other logs here: But I think this will look great. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FannyFranzén94 (talkcontribs)

@FannyFranzén94: I have uploaded it at File:Stockholm University logo.jpg and added it to Stockholm University. It might have been a little better with transparent background. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:06, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Draft not accepted

Header added by ColinFine (talk) 15:43, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


Where and how do i send the prof please, as my submission was not accepted ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boxerboy07 (talkcontribs) 13:31, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Boxerboy07. I suggest you start by reading your first article carefully. You will find out that you don't send "the proof" anywhere. The really quite difficult task of writing a Wikipedia article starts with finding reliably published sources, completely independent of the subject, which talk about the subject in some depth. It is a waste of time starting in any other way (eg starting writing the article before you look for the sources), because if you can't find these, no article will be accepted however it is written. Once you have found these sources, then you can start writing the article - from what these sources say, not from anywhere else. If you are the subject, or are connected to the subject, this makes it even harder, because you basically need to forget everything you know about the subject in order to write the article. Wikipedia is basically not interested in what you (or I, or any random person on the Internet) knows: it is only interested in what has been published in reliable places. --ColinFine (talk) 15:54, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
FWIW, a cursory internet search suggests to me that the subject of the (completely unreferenced) sandbox draft in question is probably notable, should any experienced editor want to take up the task of drafting an article properly – I think it unlikely that the subject himself would be capable of doing so even ignoring the obvious COI which all but forbids this. {The poster formerly known as} (talk) 10:05, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Page is not displayed in the browser


Please, help me. I moved my page Neonfly from Draft to Article, but this page is not displayed in the browser.

I don't understand how I need to do it.

--Yulia Markhutova (talk) 13:54, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@Yulia Markhutova: - do you mean that the page won't load for you? I'm able to view it without issue. What browser are you in?

If you mean that you can't find it in a google (etc) search, then it needs to be patrolled, and then indexed by google (etc) before it will show up there. There's a patrolling backlog atm, so that might be very quick or it could take a while. The system should notify you when it's been patrolled. Nosebagbear (talk) 14:19, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks Nosebagbear! I understood, that all new pages must be moderated and only after that they will be display automatically!? Yulia Markhutova (talk) 14:43, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
@Yulia Markhutova: - that's pretty much it. People will already be able to find it if they come to Wikipedia itself and search for it. Nosebagbear (talk) 16:33, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Suddenly this popped up! Why? I edited the page, so what? But I did not edit the draft page!

"(Redirected from Draft:Neonfly)

This article is actively undergoing a major edit for a short while. To help avoid edit conflicts, please do not edit this page while this message is displayed. This page was last edited at 18:12, 21 February 2020 (UTC) (0 seconds ago). Please remove this template if this page hasn't been edited in several hours. If you are the editor who added this template, please be sure to remove it or replace it with {{Under construction}} between editing sessions."

And what to do with it?

Sorry, but this page is my brainchild and I'm waiting when it will be published! And I'm very worried!

Оhhhh! Everything has already disappeared!

--Yulia Markhutova (talk) 18:29, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

@Yulia Markhutova: The article has been visible at Neonfly since you moved it. It sounds like you are seeing old versions of the page. Bypass your cache to see the current version. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:17, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

West One Music -


I tried updating the WOMG logo on our Wikipedia page but received an error page saying that i'm in breach of copyright — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 15:27, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello. Are you Aepickett92 on Wikipedia, or Westonemusic on Commons, or both?
It appears that on January 6, Jax 0677 thought that your (Westonemusic's) black logo was copyrighted, and so not eligible to be in Commons, and questioned it; and also reverted Aepickett92's edit to West One Music to use it. But on 13 February, the deletion discussion at Commons decided that the image could stay, because the logo is simply enough that it is public domain anyway. Given that, I can't see any objection to using the black logo in the article.
BUT, the fact that you (Aepickett92) seem to be working together with Westonemusic makes me ask, are you connected with the company? If so, you need to read about conflict of interest, and are strongly advised to stop editing the article directly (which is not "your Wikipedia page" - see WP:OWN), and make edit requests instead. Furthermore, if you are in any way paid by the company, then you must comply with the provisions of paid editing. --ColinFine (talk) 16:35, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

please correct meaning of Zartaj Gul (Urdu: زرتاج گل رنڈی وزیر‎) to remove this word رنڈی

Respected Wikipedia management


Please remove urdu meaning of Zartaj Gul which is very embracing word ( رنڈی ) if this meaning is translated in English it means widow. but matter of fact is that she is a very respectful women and represent Pakistan as a State Minister for Climate Change. Please remove this word ( رنڈی ). form Wikipedia. Thanks

Please remove this word ( رنڈی )

Zartaj Gul (Urdu: زرتاج گل رنڈی وزیر‎) is a Pakistani politician who is the current Minister of State for Climate Change, in office since 5 October 2018. She has been a member of the National Assembly of Pakistan since August 2018.


Zartaj Gul (Urdu: زرتاج گل وزیر‎) is a Pakistani politician who is the current Minister of State for Climate Change, in office since 5 October 2018. She has been a member of the National Assembly of Pakistan since August 2018. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zeeshan ibrahim786 (talk • contribs) 15:36, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Courtesy link Zartaj Gul but looks like it was already done. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 16:10, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
@Zeeshan ibrahim786: I corrected it further, I hope, here (we don't use titles like "minister" and the ل in گل was missing, etc.). Please have a look. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 19:13, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

I would like to write a biography on my father. Please help me.

I would like to write a biography about my father. Please help me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geo4star (talk • contribs) 17:51, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Not recommended. See the advice about conflict of interest. Also read the advice at WP:Your first article, and particularly Wikipedia's definition of notabilty. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:54, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
@Geo4star: if he’s notable, someone might write an article about him, or you could request one. But before you go to the trouble, if you post his name I can look him up and tell you if it looks like he is notable enough to qualify for an article. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~.) TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 18:08, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


Hi, I have a question regarding the copyright release of a picture. On the article of a celebrity, I found a display picture that on its description claims to be a screen capture of a Youtube video with a CC license, however when accessing the video I noticed it does not have any type of license. Would this be a reason for the picture to be taken down? and if so, what should be the process to request the removal? Thanks for all your help — Preceding unsigned comment added by DFulham (talkcontribs) 18:23, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Yes (and thank you for being concerned about this sort of thing). If we cannot document that the video is licensed in a way that Wikipedia can work with, then a derivative work such as a screen shot would be presumed violative of the original videomaker's copyright in their work. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:41, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Converting Page to a Different Language

Hi there! I was interested in creating another wiki page for the same person, saying the same thing, but in english. Is there a simple way of doing this rather than entering all of the information in again and starting from scratch? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Madibuck (talk • contribs) 19:06, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

For advice on translation, try reading WP:Translation. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:14, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
For a slightly different link, we have WP:CXT (which is mentioned I think on the above article.) It's a place to do some in place translation, with the luxury of it changing templates/links and arbitrates for you. See how you get on. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 19:27, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
Madibuck, remember though, that if you are using the translation tool, unless you have 500 edits, it won't let you translate articles straight to mainspace. However, you can translate to a draft (i.e. a page titled draft:page name), which we recommend you submit to articles for creation, although you can move it yourself. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 20:55, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


Where do I find this useful tool for making references, made by Magnus Manske? I've lost the link. Lou Sander (talk) 19:40, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Tools/Editing tools gives this link, but it leads to a 500 error. – Teratix 06:30, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
It looks like Makeref has been taken down. There's a stripped-down replacement for it built into the WP editing system. I wasn't aware of it, but it looks to be good for most purposes. Lou Sander (talk) 17:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
Not sure if it's exactly what you want, but I use User:V111P/js/WebRef. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 17:53, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

create a page

hello. I want to create a site for a very well-known person in the business field and his ongoing contribution to helping people in need. Can you tell me how I can create such a page? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Altin Leka (talk • contribs) 20:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Altin Leka, we generally don't recommend new users start new articles without some experience of how the site works. However, if you must, I would advise you first read Wikipedia:A primer for newcomers#Picking a topic, then follow User:Ian.thomson/Howto, which gives steps for new users to create articles that aren't deleted. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 20:50, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
also, please be aware of Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not here to tell the world about your noble cause. For a person to have an article about themselves here, they have to have received significant coverage elsewhere. Without this, there is no article, no matter how great the person is. ~~ Alex Noble - talk 20:52, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Taaffee ancestry

I read about Richard Taaffee (1898-1967) and it stated that his line was extinct. I have been tracing my ancestry and found that we are the descendants of the Taaffees. Our name today has been shortened from Taff to Taft. I am Raymond Louis Taft Jr. son of Raymond Louis Taft. My father is deceased but his brother Joe Taft is still alive in Colorado. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raytaftjr (talk • contribs) 21:11, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Raytaftjr, the article states that the titles Taaffee held are extinct. Schazjmd (talk) 21:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Short title descriptions, Wikidata?

1 ) I keep getting messages that an article I worked on has been connected to a Wikidata item. I believe this happens when someone edits one of those mini-descriptions?

2) I do not see these mini-descriptions when I read the wiki on my desktop browser. I do see them when I use the wiki on iOS mobile, which also makes it easy to edit them. Is there some way to see and edit these in the browser? Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:56, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Short description. * Pppery * it has begun... 23:13, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
1) Means "Connection with Wikidata" is enabled at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo. The message is not caused by editing the Wikidata description but by adding a link to the English page. See Help:Interlanguage links#Adding a new link. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:04, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Jack London

Jack London was also played by actor Michael Aron in the Star Trek The Next Generation Episodes Time Arrow Part 1 and Part 2. He is working as a Bellhop in the hotel Data takes refuge in and receives Advice from Mark Twain that if he wishes to write, he should write what he knows. Jack proclaims his desire to travel to Alasaka — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShrapnelX2 (talkcontribs) 22:20, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

ShrapnelX2 If you are saying that you want this added to the Jack London article, you should address your comment as a request on the article talk page, Talk:Jack London. 331dot (talk) 22:57, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

February 22

Why was my edit to NewsWatch reverted?

NewsWatch is a scam. GorrilaReporter (the person the reverted my edit) please look up on Reddit and I've received the email myself too. posted at 22 February 2020 by ScamReporter

You have asked the same question at the talk page of GorillaWarfare and received an answer there; I don't need to repeat what GorillaWarfare has said. -- Hoary (talk) 06:47, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
ScamReporter, I accept that the email you received was indeed a scam, but I doubt that it really came from Newswatch. Maproom (talk) 07:59, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Lupton family

Please fix the page numbers - (should it be "ppp" or something?) - of reference number 86. Please leave in the quote. Thanks (talk) 05:58, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

I think the way it's now is fine. There are other refs using full "page" like 100 for example. – Ammarpad (talk) 06:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Additionally: Your concern for this article is admirable, but I have already done your bidding there once and I notice that I haven't been alone. Please consider figuring out how to do this kind of thing yourself; or, if you'd prefer not to, then please post your requests at Talk:Lupton family. -- Hoary (talk) 06:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks (talk) 07:30, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Verticle table?


Apologies, not sure if that's the right way to put it. But what's the best way of formatting a table so the bolded headers are down the left-hand side rather than along the top? I appreciate any advice in advance :) ——SN54129 07:01, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

The bolding of the headers is merely produced by using exclamation mark "!" instead of pipe "|". So this would be a simple matter of interchanging them. Or even more simply: use "!" when you need bold and "|" when you don't. For instance, see attached table example. I think that's what you're looking for.– Ammarpad (talk) 07:36, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@Ammarpad: What I've been looking for for the last few hours! :) Many, thanks indeed, that's the job. You're great as usual. Thanks for the help! ——SN54129 07:46, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@Ammarpad: Sorry, just one more thing, is it possible to have it borderless (I worked that out, see!) and to float right as well? ——SN54129 07:51, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Yes. The border is added by wikitable class the floating by style: so just declare the style style="float:right;". – Ammarpad (talk) 08:00, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Brilliant! You did it for me :) ——SN54129 08:10, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
See Help:Table for general table help. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:08, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@Primefac: thanks too. I can't see how to get the left-hand column text to align to the left rather than centred. Any suggestions? ——SN54129 21:44, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@Serial Number 54129: I have added style="text-align: left;" | to the above table in each cell of the left column except the heading. Styling of a column has to be added in every cell. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:51, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Always happy to take credit for someone else's help! Primefac (talk) 00:08, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
D'oh! I've done that before, too :D sorry, PrimeHunter, 'Fac swoops in once again and steals your thunder ;) ——SN54129 11:28, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

How do I cite on enwiki a translation between other languages?

I am putting together bibliography of a modern Russian scholar in history who apart from writing original research has translated into Russian a number of mediaeval texts of historians from Latin or Greek from publications e.g. made in 19 century Germany, commented them and published either on dedicated websites, or in a journal published online with the page of description of his work in HTML and a link to a downloadable pdf file of the full text of commented and prefaced translation - or in conference proceedings. Using for ENwiki the templates "Cite conference, web or book", I am confused: parameters title and script-title require data of the text already in translation, while trans-title on ENwiki requires translation of the title into English. The template thus provides for translation only into English, but what about referencing translation between languages other than English? And how do I in applying "Cite conference" template show both the research museum holding the conference, and an independent publishing house that printed the proceedings? I have got an error message when I put the name of the former in "institution" parameter - and the publishing house in "publisher"? Are they mutually exclusive? GregZak (talk) 07:11, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Experience has told me that while the citation templates may be good in their way, attempting to use them for complications unforeseen by their creators is frustrating and ultimately won't work. (Admittedly my attempts weren't so recent, but they involved books with Japanese and English parallel texts, and three ways of writing the title: Japanese in the script used on the book, Japanese romanized, and English. I gave up.) So when there are likely to be complications, I don't bother with the templates. Incidentally, before you put too much time into your enterprise, I don't think that there's any consensus that the papers of an academic should all be listed. Of course it's possible for one paper even to merit an article to itself (example), but I'd normally skip a list of papers unless they can be shown to have been discussed significantly by other scholars. -- Hoary (talk) 07:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
This editor asked apparently related questions at Help talk:Citation Style 1 § Access parameter for sites blocked in many countries and Help talk:Citation Style 1 § How do I cite a Russian webpage with translation from a Latin book?. I answered those questions but there was no further discussion.
|institution= and |publishers= are aliases of each other so are mutually exclusive.
@GregZak, examples of what it is that you are attempting to do will go a long way to helping other editors answer your questions.
—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:54, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, I have just seen your previous reply after I read this one following the red button of notifications. Out of the two queries you mention, the one about blocked sites wasn't mine GregZak (talk) 20:01, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
My advice (and my practice in editing) with lists of papers is that in the humanities, where notability is mainly determined by books, a complete list of books published, with year, date, publisher and ISBN (referenced to WorldCat) , and including links to major book reviews, is appropriate, but not articles ; but in the sciences, where in practice here notability is usually demonstrated by the extent of citation to the person's work, there should be a list of the 5 or so most cited peer-reviewed articles, given in full with coauthors, full name of journals, and links, with the number of citations to each of them . For currently active scientists, there's usually a full list of papers on their web site. But the amount of material to included should depend upon the importance of the person. DGG ( talk ) 16:32, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

How to remove the massages ?

Dear Wikipedia I want to ask you a question,How To Remove The Massages? Thank you Cheryl114.32.128.34 (talk) 08:49, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Which message? – Ammarpad (talk) 08:51, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Move of article please - duplicate articles created

Hello I created the article "Lismore fields" and realised afterwards that the f in the title should be capital. So I created the article "Lismore Fields" and copied over the content but I can't delete the original article. I found out that I should have used the Move feature but that won't work since I created the new article already. Please will an administrator delete the original article for me? Thanks Douglal (talk) 13:57, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

If you add {{Db-author}} to the top of the original article, that will tag it for speedy deletion. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:03, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
No need – I've already ProDded it, while David Biddulph was replying. Maproom (talk) 14:05, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
I've history-merged Douglal's earlier edits of Lismore fields to Lismore Fields and redirected the former to the latter. Should be fixed now; let me know if there are any problems. Deor (talk) 15:56, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Revereted my edit in Twenty:20 (Film) Article for no reason

Hi, Some admin undone my edit in Twenty:20 (film) Article . The revert was done for rearraging the cast according to their age, popularity & spell order. You know Mammootty and Mohanlal are equally popular & rival actors in Malayalam Film Industry. I would like to know how could Mohanlal comes afterMammootty in the cast section in the article?. Both are equally important in the movie Twenty:20 (film). On the basis of age, career experience & considering their english spelling, Mohanlal only comes after Mammootty. Then on what basis they(admins) are keeping the wrong order and reverting my edit. This is not fair. Expecting an answer & a solution. Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SmakTwone (talkcontribs) 19:32, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

The editor who reverted your edit is not an admin, but he was perfectly entitled to revert. You gave no explanation in an edit summary as to why you made the change. As the editor advised you on your user talk page, if you wish to discuss your proposed change the place to do it is the article's talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:44, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Casts are listed in billing order, not age, popularity (which would open a big can of worms) or spelling. Clarityfiend (talk) 20:31, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
@SmakTwone: "Billing order" means the order in which the producers of the film chose to list the cast in the credits of the film itself (often by contractual obligation), official posters at the theatre, etc. This is the only reasonable solution, and a long-standing consensus among Wikipedia editors at WT:FILM and elsewhere. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 04:22, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@AlanM1:@David Biddulph: I think the end credit scene in the movie can be considered as a billing order. In the end credit of the movie itself Mammootty is mention first before Mohanlal. That is the order the Producer had Chosen. Then please change it accordingly. You can Watch it here : [[2]]

-- Preceding unsigned comment added by SmakTwone (talkcontribs) 04:49, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Aren't end credits frequently shown in order of the characters' first appearances in the film. (Not asserting that this is necessarily the case in this instance.) {The poster formerly known as} (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:51, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@ I am just talking about that, to arrange the cast there should be some methods or conditions to be followed. There is no explanation for the current arrangement of cast in the article. Someone above mentioned cast are arranged in the billing order. So it should be followed. In the credit scene of the movie it's arranged as Madhu, Mammootty, Mohanlal, and so on by the producer itself. So it must be rearranged accordingly with the credit scene. I hope admins should take proper action against this.-- Preceding unsigned comment added by SmakTwone (talkcontribs) 13:08, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
  • There isn't any "proper action" that admins would take against "this". If you think I'm out of line somehow, I'm welcome to hear it. There is an explanation for the current arrangement of the cast, as it is arranged in billing order, as confirmed by various websites. As someone else noted, the end credits might not be the best presentation. I'd go along with the opening credits. I'm trying to find a video rendition of the opening credits somewhere online, but all I'm seeing are deleted videos (as such postings are copyright violations). What has been happening on the article now for 6+ years is a series of sockpuppets in support of Mohanlal and another series in support of Mammootty that keep switching the cast order. A great many of these sockpuppets have been blocked. See example and example. The article has been protected 9 times over the years to prevent the cast order switching disruption. If we can see the opening credits showing Mammootty to be billed first, then I'm happy for it. I don't care about the order. I care about the disruption ending permanently. SmakTwone, I appreciate you be willing to discuss. Further discussion about the order should be held at Talk:Twenty:20 (film). Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 15:42, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Help - Images corped from Youtube I was wondering if anyone can help me if i did the right Licensing and free from copyright issues? Regice2020 (talk) 23:32, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Regice2020. I'm sorry, but I don't think you did. You uploaded it with the claim that it was licensed under CC-by-3.0, but I see nothing on the YouTube page that states that. In the absence of any clear statement to the contrary from the copyright holder, we assume that all images found on the Internet are copyright and cannot normally be used in Wikipedia. What is your basis for believing that this is licensed under cc-by-3.0? (If it is the "CC" on the frame of the video, that means Closed captioning, and is nothing to do with the licence). --ColinFine (talk) 11:04, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Correcting the spelling of the person's name in the title

I am trying to correct the misspelling of a person's name. I have corrected the actual article, but I can't seem to correct the title. This is the link to the page I need to correct the first name to Madeleine. I've looked in the help section, but I didn't find how to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dragonsrose4 (talk • contribs) 23:45, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

To change the title of an article, you "Move" it to the new title. Click on "Move" at the top of the page, and there will be a screen to give the new title and the reason you are moving it. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:50, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
Info is here: Wikipedia:Moving a page. BeenAroundAWhile (talk) 23:52, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
The OP couldn't move the article as his account is not autoconfirmed. I've done the move. --David Biddulph (talk) 23:54, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

February 23

Which category of image?


I have permission to use an image of musician Johanna Warren from Johana herself in her article. But I am not clear which of the three image categories to use.

And no, there is no COI, I am a friend of hers. Sethie (talk) 03:05, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Sethie: What do you mean by "three image categories? If you're a friend of hers, you do have a conflict of interest - FlightTime (open channel) 03:12, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@FlightTime: Before we go into the 3 categories, lets see if I am not allowed to add a picture to her page?

WP COI says: "While editing Wikipedia, an editor's primary role is to further the interests of the encyclopedia. When an external role or relationship could reasonably be said to undermine that primary role, the editor has a conflict of interest. (Similarly, a judge's primary role as an impartial adjudicator is undermined if she is married to the defendant.)

Any external relationship—personal, religious, political, academic, legal, or financial (including holding a cryptocurrency)—can trigger a COI. How close the relationship needs to be before it becomes a concern on Wikipedia is governed by common sense. For example, an article about a band should not be written by the band's manager, and a biography should not be an autobiography or written by the subject's spouse. There can be a COI when writing on behalf of a competitor or opponent of the page subject, just as there is when writing on behalf of the page subject."

As a friend of Johanna's I don't think WP:COI prohibits me from doing copy-editing on her page (already did one such edit, feel free to take a peak) and putting up an image?

If you feel it does, could you point to what part of the policy backs your position.

I could have just googled and found an image of her... maybe that would have been/would be better? As it is, she has sent me three images and I have chosen the one which I feel is most encyclopedic. Sethie (talk) 04:05, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

@Sethie: We have no interest in "permission to use" an image. Instead, we need an image that has the appropriate copyright license. Unless there is a contract or other "writing" the photographer, not the subject, owns the copyright and is the only person who can license it. The image must have a CC-BY-SA (or compatible) license. This would have been true of any image you "found on the Internet" also: most such images have no copyright license and therefore their copyright is still owned by the photographer. The alternative is "fair use", and we accept a "fair use" image only under highly restrictive conditions that do not apply to images of living people. If your image is CC-BY-SA, then upload it to commons and add it to the article, and thank you for this. That is separate from any WP:COI concerns. Now for COI: unless you are being compensated in any way by the subject (see WP:PAID) you are not prohibited from editing the article, but you are very strongly discouraged from doing so, and you are required to disclose your relationship to the subject. It is much better to simply suggest the edits on the article's talk page. It's OK, we don't get nasty or anything, but experience as shown that it is all too easy to inadvertently bias your edits so the second set of eyes is useful. Please don't give up: we will get there eventually. -Arch dude (talk) 04:45, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@Arch dude: Thanks friend! I hadn't planned on editing her article other then adding a picture of my friend... as a birthday gift to her!
Actually, maybe it is best that I just step away from her page completely- me having to announce a COI on the talk page sort of "stains" the page.... and is contrary to the birthday gift energy I was trying to bring> :) :( Sethie (talk) 06:10, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@Sethie: The hard part is getting a validly-licenced image uploaded to Commons. This does not require a COI declaration. It does require the effort to track down the photographer and get that license. That's clearly a lot of thoughtful work of the type that should go into a great birthday gift. The COI declaration (which would be on your user page) would not be obtrusive enough to subtract, I hope, and your friend won't see it unless she knows enough about Wikipedia to know how to look for it. How can "I'm a friend of Johanna Warren" be negative? COI is not a bad thing, it just a thing. Getting good photos of living people is something we need. -Arch dude (talk) 06:31, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
One more thing, Sethie: it's great that you want to give your friend a birthday gift, but editing Wikipedia is often not a very satisfactory gift for them, because neither you nor they will control what happens to the article afterwards. In this case, if you found a picture with the right licence, it would almost certainly be an improvement to the article, so your "gift" would probably remain. But if later somebody else found a different picture of Warren (with an appropriate licence), they could replace your picture; and if the consensus of editors agreed it was a more suitable picture, then it would be used, even if both you and Warren preferred the picture you added. --ColinFine (talk) 11:11, 23 February 2020 (UTC)


Hi, Just want to get your opinion about a principal managing 2 private schools. if this is allowed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 07:50, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, this page is for asking questions related to using Wikipedia; this is not a general question asking forum. 331dot (talk) 08:12, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
If this is a question about whether a principal managing 2 private schools is likely to be notable enough for an article if that is the main basis of the person's notability, the general response would be that , unless the schools are so very important or there is some other factor that the individual himself has been the subject of multiple references providing substantial coverage from third-party independent reliable sources, not press releases or mere announcements, that there would most likely not be sufficient sources for an article. DGG ( talk ) 16:27, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Fact checkers

Are fact checkers considered reliable sources for a Wikipedia article? Interstellarity (talk) 14:33, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

The people themselves, not for Wikipedia purposes, since they are not published and so can't be verified. If you mean, e.g.,, see [3]. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 15:15, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@AlanM1: There are a lot of fact checking websites out there. Here is a Google search for some of them. Which ones are reliable and which ones are not? Interstellarity (talk) 16:30, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
If it's published by a reliable source like AFP it is fine. If it looks like a self-published source it should be avoided. Some are listed on WP:RSP, for example PolitiFact is listed as being reliable. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:26, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
WP:RSP has comments on a couple. You may be able to find more in the WP:RSN archives. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@Gråbergs Gråa Sång and Þjarkur: What does AFP stand for? Would be considered reliable? Interstellarity (talk) 21:19, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
I was referring to, published by Agence France-Presse. appears to have editorial oversight, but in the WP:RSN archives someone calls them a student publication [4] that should probably not be used. It is however used in 600 articles, including on our articles on Obama and Trump. – Thjarkur (talk) 22:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
@Þjarkur: That's clear to me. Thank you. Interstellarity (talk) 00:19, 24 February 2020 (UTC)


Hi Helpdesk, I am struggling with finding how to do the reference tags, or even what those are. Do you mean the superscript numbers at the end of a phrase?. I clicked on "Cite your sources" at the bottom of the window, but I am not sure if that is how to do it. Please could you walk me through this? I tried to paste the requested edits together with superscript numbers in the text and the corresponding references, but no references or in-text citations appeared. I don't know whether to highlight the reference at the bottom and then click cite your sources, or click that when the cursor is next to the insertion point in the text. Both seem to just put a ref ref thing in the flow of the text. Maybe I am supposed to just put them in the flow of the text using the cite your sources and you sort it out into a normal looking reference? I just want to add references to the text correctly. Please help. thanks EMMALROSS (talk) 18:14, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Please read Help:Referencing for beginners.   Maproom (talk) 18:40, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
​If you use the VisualEditor, inserting references is much easier. See this tutorial. You can use the VisualEditor in your sandbox but not on talk pages (so if you're requesting additions to pages you can just link to your sandbox instead). You just click "Cite" when your cursor is next to the insertion point in text, the reference is supposed to go in the flow of the text, when the page is displayed it will be shown as superscript numbers. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:22, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
    Thank you both. EMMALROSS (talk) 21:29, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Repeated vandalism from

Can you please block This user edited the Gonzaga Bulldogs men's basketball page and change the name of the page to "Yoeli Childs’ Sons" within the last 12 hours. As you can see on their user talk page, this IP address is known for vandalizing Wikipedia pages, and even changed the name of the Yoeli Childs page to "Gonzaga’s Dad" today as well as seen on their recent contributions, and this type of behavior has been documented since 2018 on this user's talk page. Can you please block this user for at least the next couple months? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jorgeriverez (talkcontribs) 2020-02-23T18:30:26 (UTC)

Hello, Jorgereverez. Since this is an IP address, it might be a complete different person using it from three years ago. But I agree that their recent edits look like vandalism. The place to report this is at WP:AIV. --ColinFine (talk) 18:57, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Help requested

i was put all relabale links — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hameedabbas786 (talkcontribs) 19:13, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Your draft is awaiting a second review, it can take several weeks to get a review. – Thjarkur (talk) 19:17, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
None of the sources cited in the draft discusses the subject of the article. The draft therefore fails to establish that its subject is notable, and will be declined when it is reviewed. Maproom (talk) 19:35, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

External link not connecting properly

Hi - I can't figure out how to get the external link in Portable Bloomberg: The Wit and Wisdom of Michael Bloomberg to link properly. The same WP article is listed as a reference in the body of the text, but when it appears as an external link - using exactly the same URL, it returns a deadlink. Not clear what I'm doing wrong. Bangabandhu (talk) 20:35, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done There was a pipe character at the end of the url that was causing the problem. MB 20:48, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

Thanks! Bangabandhu (talk) 03:27, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

February 24

Help: The false story of the death of Edward II

Controversies Controversy rapidly surrounded Edward's death.[331] With Mortimer's execution in 1330, rumours began to circulate that Edward had been murdered at Berkeley Castle. Accounts that he had been killed by the insertion of a red-hot iron or poker into his anus slowly began to circulate, possibly as a result of deliberate propaganda; chroniclers in the mid-1330s and 1340s spread this account further, supported in later years by Geoffrey le Baker's colourful account of the killing.[332] It became incorporated into most later histories of Edward, typically being linked to his possible homosexuality.[333] Most historians now dismiss this account of Edward's death, querying the logic in his captors murdering him in such an easily detectable fashion.[334][nb 21]

How do I seek help in removing this ghastly homophobic false story from Wikepedia? Thank you. Bob Hadley--Bobh3790 (talk) 00:11, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

@Bobh3790: Get a time machine and let the people in the past know right away that that didn't happen so those false rumors don't spread. Then come back and tell academia that those false rumors didn't spread, then go to the article's talk page to show that historians never said that the false rumors were never spread.
Otherwise, bear in mind that Wikipedia is not censored and consider the possibility that you're reading homophobia into the text. The article doesn't say that Edward II was gay or that he died from having a fire poker inserted into him, it just says that some people in the past incorrectly thought that and that modern historians think that's incorrect. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:22, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

watchlist notification

I have zero idea what I'm being pointed at by the notification on my watchlist that says There are open requests for comments on Wikipedia policies and proposals. It's got four links in it. Three of them go to pages with multiple RfCs, and the fourth is an explanation of RfC. Anyone have more clue than I do? --valereee (talk) 13:13, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

So basically, you are not pointed at anything in particular, just to the existence of RfCs and how to find them. (I am not a fan of the notice, but then I know how to find RfCs if I want to...) TigraanClick here to contact me 13:35, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Tigraan, thank you for your detective work! --valereee (talk) 20:04, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

I want to see all the redirects that I have created

I know how to see a list of all the articles that I have created but how can I see all the redirects that I have created?.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 13:28, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

SharabSalam, there's a list here ~~ Alex Noble - talk 13:59, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
Thanks!.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 17:32, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Change Name

Can someone please update the City of Farrell Mayor? As of January 2020 our Mayor is now Kimberly Doss. (Prior to that it was Olive M. McKeithan)

Thank You! City Clerk — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:27, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

 Done and congratulations to Ms Doss from London, UK :) ——SN54129 14:34, 24 February 2020 (UTC)
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