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Pediapress
Hi there ! I'm a French contributor but I want to create a book with several English-speaking articles thru Pediapress (this is not my first one). As I could not find the line Create a book in both your left and right sections, is it still posible in English and how could I manage it ? Thanks a lot Bibliorock (talk) 01:35, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- It was closed in 2021 (See Wikipedia:Books). Tutwakhamoe (talk) 03:50, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
Translation error
For translating for example english to simple english, i pressed translate, then to like the actual translating part, but then when i press add translation it's an error??? Woffio (talk) 04:09, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Woffio: Hi there! If you are using the Wikipedia:Content translation tool, I suggest you post on their talk page, and provide the name of the English Wikipedia page and the exact error you are receiving. If you are using a different translation tool, please let us know. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 04:47, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
- Hey, I'm using the wikipedia content translation tool, and I have tried it on a lot of pages from english to simple english, and they all don't work Woffio (talk) 05:45, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
- I am having the same issues. No languages other than Spanish work to translate for me. Reconrabbit 15:34, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Reconrabbit: I'm glad you're discussing this at Wikipedia talk:Content translation tool.
- @Woffio: I encourage you to do the same. GoingBatty (talk) 19:34, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
- I am having the same issues. No languages other than Spanish work to translate for me. Reconrabbit 15:34, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
- Hey, I'm using the wikipedia content translation tool, and I have tried it on a lot of pages from english to simple english, and they all don't work Woffio (talk) 05:45, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
How to write music genres?
I know music genres should be written with reliable sources. But I'm having a trouble finding reliable sources of music genres. Should I type "(music name)" "genre" on Google? Please provide me some tips. Camilasdandelions (talk!) 04:13, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- If you don't find reliable sources. Maybe the subject doesn't meet the criterias of "Wikipedia:Notability" and "Wikipedia:Notability (music)". Anatole-berthe (talk) 04:21, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- No, I found reliable sources like review or background, but they didn't specify genres of the music. So I'm asking about this. Camilasdandelions (talk!) 04:26, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- In this case. This matter is too complex for me. I prefer than more experienced editors answer. Anatole-berthe (talk) 04:35, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- OK. Thanks for your reply. Camilasdandelions (talk!) 04:51, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Camilasdandelions: helpdesk helpers are usually experienced in dealing with editing problems but not necessarily specialists in a particular subject. From that perspective I can say that Wikipedia summarises what reliable sources say about a subject, so if you can't find a genre in a reliable source, you shouldn't include the genre in the article. I looked at Talk:Pop music and they have a lot of discussion of genres, so you could try asking there. There is also a Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Music genres task force . TSventon (talk) 06:09, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, Camilasdandelions. Popular music genres have been highly controversial on Wikipedia for many years, and I recommend that you read the cautionary essay Wikipedia:Genre warrior. As for your problems locating genres, I am a bit surprised. In my experience, significant coverage of musical performances and recordings very frequently mention the genre. I'm an American, and it is commonplace here for a popular music recording to be described as rock, blues, jazz, rap, pop, soul, country, show, bluegrass or a seemingly unlimited assortment of narrower genres. Often several. If you ask a search engine like Google "what is the genre for song X by performer Y", you should get a long list of web pages. Your next task is to separate the reliable sources from the unreliable ones. Use the best of them as references in the article. Cullen328 (talk) 06:20, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Fortunately some {perhaps many) helpdesk helpers know more about music articles than I do. TSventon (talk) 06:32, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Hello @Cullen328 and @TSventon! As I'm little bit unware of Wikipedia, and I appreciate your replies. I'll ask on there about music genres soon.
- Also as far as I can remember is that NME, Rolling Stone, Billboard, Medium, The Guardian, Variety are reliable sources. Camilasdandelions (talk!) 07:19, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Camilasdandelions, the others are generally reliable although Rolling Stone is not considered reliable for political content. See WP:ROLLINGSTONEPOLITICS for the consensus of the community. On the other hand, Medium (website) is a blogging platform that hosts self-published content without editorial review. So, unless the author is a widely acknowledged expert writing about their area of expertise, content on Medium is not considered reliable. See WP:MEDIUM for the consensus of the community. Cullen328 (talk) 07:34, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- There is a list of frequently discussed sources at WP:RSP (Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources), including most of those you asked about. TSventon (talk) 07:44, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Cullen328, @TSventon: Thank you so much for these informations. I will read all of them, also I didn't know that Medium isn't reliable source, except the case that an editor is professional.
- By the way, I wonder if I can use Medium article which a singer herself wrote. Camilasdandelions (talk!) 08:10, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Camilasdandelions. That would be a self-published source, which can be used, but only in limited ways - see the page I linked to. ColinFine (talk) 10:48, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, Camilasdandelions. Popular music genres have been highly controversial on Wikipedia for many years, and I recommend that you read the cautionary essay Wikipedia:Genre warrior. As for your problems locating genres, I am a bit surprised. In my experience, significant coverage of musical performances and recordings very frequently mention the genre. I'm an American, and it is commonplace here for a popular music recording to be described as rock, blues, jazz, rap, pop, soul, country, show, bluegrass or a seemingly unlimited assortment of narrower genres. Often several. If you ask a search engine like Google "what is the genre for song X by performer Y", you should get a long list of web pages. Your next task is to separate the reliable sources from the unreliable ones. Use the best of them as references in the article. Cullen328 (talk) 06:20, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Camilasdandelions: helpdesk helpers are usually experienced in dealing with editing problems but not necessarily specialists in a particular subject. From that perspective I can say that Wikipedia summarises what reliable sources say about a subject, so if you can't find a genre in a reliable source, you shouldn't include the genre in the article. I looked at Talk:Pop music and they have a lot of discussion of genres, so you could try asking there. There is also a Wikipedia:WikiProject Music/Music genres task force . TSventon (talk) 06:09, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- OK. Thanks for your reply. Camilasdandelions (talk!) 04:51, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- In this case. This matter is too complex for me. I prefer than more experienced editors answer. Anatole-berthe (talk) 04:35, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- No, I found reliable sources like review or background, but they didn't specify genres of the music. So I'm asking about this. Camilasdandelions (talk!) 04:26, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Camilasdandelions: The albums WikiProject source list at WP:ALBUMSOURCES is a good centralized location to find the reliability of common sources regarding music genres. If a source you are questioning isn't listed there, consider asking the albums WikiProject folks at WT:ALBUMS for more specialized guidance. Left guide (talk) 05:53, 19 February 2025 (UTC)
- Music genres are subjective anyway. No two people can agree on them, so don’t expect many sources. If you’re trying to document new genres, then it would necessary to realise that they’re mostly the works of quite eccentric people. Only through mass acceptance will they get to be thought of as proper genres. To give you a simple example, I could easily invent a new genre tomorrow, but it won’t count unless loads of people listen to it and make it notable. Pablothepenguin (talk) 00:52, 21 February 2025 (UTC)
What does "int:" mean?
What does "int:" mean? (e.g., {{int:tpt-languages-legend}}
)
And, can I find an article related to this? Whatback11 (talk) 08:14, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Whatback11: "int:" seems to mean "MediaWiki:": I found Help:MediaWiki namespace, but it is a bit technical for me. TSventon (talk) 08:40, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Whatback11,TSventon somewhat correct. {{int:tpt-languages-legend}} will internationalise the system message
tpt-languages-legend
, transcluding a different message depending on the user's language preferences. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 08:52, 17 February 2025 (UTC)- It's documented (in a couple of places) at mw:Help:Magic words, and locally at WP:MAGIC. -- zzuuzz (talk) 09:01, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Whatback11: To be more specific with your example, here at the English Wikipedia
{{int:tpt-languages-legend}}
will display MediaWiki:Tpt-languages-legend to unregistered users and registered users with the default language setting "en - English" at Special:Preferences. Users with "ko - 한국어" will see MediaWiki:Tpt-languages-legend/ko and so on. The English Wikipedia very rarely uses{{int:}}
and not in articles. Other wikis may be different. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:31, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Whatback11: To be more specific with your example, here at the English Wikipedia
- It's documented (in a couple of places) at mw:Help:Magic words, and locally at WP:MAGIC. -- zzuuzz (talk) 09:01, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- @Whatback11,TSventon somewhat correct. {{int:tpt-languages-legend}} will internationalise the system message
Uploading non-free audio files
Hello, I am inquiring about the process for uploading non-free audio files to Wikipedia. I would appreciate any guidance you can provide on this matter. Thank you for your assistance. P. ĐĂNG (talk) 10:39, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @P. ĐĂNG. Does Help:Upload answer your questions? ColinFine (talk) 10:50, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- ColinFine, I would like to inquire whether uploading audio files follows the same procedure as for images, specifically whether I would need to visit this page to upload them. Thank you for your assistance. P. ĐĂNG (talk) 11:11, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, as far as I can tell the procedures for uploading any media are the same. (The File Upload Wizard is not the only way to do this, but it is designed to be the easiest). ColinFine (talk) 17:07, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- ColinFine, I would like to inquire whether uploading audio files follows the same procedure as for images, specifically whether I would need to visit this page to upload them. Thank you for your assistance. P. ĐĂNG (talk) 11:11, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
Deleted Page Question
Almost six months ago, my page was deleted for the reason, “ A7: Article about a company, corporation or organization, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject” and even after reading the page, I’m still having trouble understanding what this means. If someone could help me understand this, I would appreciate it, thanks! Xuppu (talk) 22:59, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Xuppu. I don't see how it could be made any clearer than the page you linked to. What is it that you don't understand? ColinFine (talk) 23:17, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- The thing I don’t understand is the secondary sources, the draft I created has primary sources, but in the page it doesn’t mention primary sources where I looked. Xuppu (talk) 23:22, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Xuppu, I suggest that you look at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), which explains which companies are suitable for a Wikipedia article. If you add sources that show that a company is notable, then Wikipedia:Credible claim of significance says the article can't be deleted under A7. TSventon (talk) 23:35, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! But now I have another problem, I only have primary sources that aren’t independent, so does that mean my draft will not be approved? Xuppu (talk) 23:44, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, it does, so it is a good idea to check notability before starting to write an article. TSventon (talk) 00:10, 18 February 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! But now I have another problem, I only have primary sources that aren’t independent, so does that mean my draft will not be approved? Xuppu (talk) 23:44, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- Xuppu, I suggest that you look at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), which explains which companies are suitable for a Wikipedia article. If you add sources that show that a company is notable, then Wikipedia:Credible claim of significance says the article can't be deleted under A7. TSventon (talk) 23:35, 17 February 2025 (UTC)
- The thing I don’t understand is the secondary sources, the draft I created has primary sources, but in the page it doesn’t mention primary sources where I looked. Xuppu (talk) 23:22, 17 February 2025 (UTC)