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January 15
Template Categorization Confusion
So I'm trying to work on categorization tasks; specifically in Category:All uncategorized pages. Lets take for example, Template:Delay safesubst.
How am I supposed to correctly categorize this template?
At first I thought I should just write:
[[Category:Wikipedia templates|Delay safesubst]]
Then I read a bit and now thought, what if I put the category on the /doc page and {{Delay safesubst}} on the main template.
What am I supposed to do for moving both template and their doc pages? Even if I give the doc page a category, Category:All uncategorized pages, still retains the template (item). Bondishloka (talk) 09:03, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Bondishloka generally the way templates are categorized is by using {{sandbox other}} on its doc page, like this. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you Bondishloka (talk) 15:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Bondishloka, please look up the use of nowiki when you want to mention bracketed categories or template calls, instead of using them. Messing with the spacing between brackets or curlies on links or templates can throw off parsing algorithms that provide syntax highlighting on the page, for those who have enabled that. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 00:05, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
Annoying map in Infobox
Using "display=title" in "Template-Coord"" displays the coordinates above the wiki article.
In my sandbox of the Yisan article, no map is shown under "Tambon" in Infobox.
But when I copy this "Yisan" article from my sandbox to the "Yisan" wiki article, a map automatically appears under "Tambon" in Infobox.
The question is how can I stop this annoyance.
SietsLSietsL (talk) 12:35, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- @SietsL: the info box uses {{Infobox settlement}}, which includes a mapframe map based on Wikidata by default. Your sandbox is not linked to Wikidata, so no map is produced. You can hide the map by adding "|mapframe = no" as an extra line in the infobox. TSventon (talk) 13:03, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Close paraphrasing issues
Hello. I want to expand stub articles on Wikipedia without being blocked for copyright violations of close paraphrasing. I have been reading Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing#How to write acceptable content and I want to add information from the Handbook of Texas and Texas Escapes magazine into the articles I have created or expanded. I have read the template in that section with the title "Example: close paraphrasing repaired", where it says to bring in other sources and "read source information, preferably taking notes to extract essential points, and write a summary in your own words, thereby producing an acceptable version." Although the Handbook of Texas has "fair use" guidelines, I want to write paragraphs that bring together information from two sources, without maintaining the previous sentence structure or style. How can I go about doing that, or should I not do that at all? I haven't edited on Wikipedia much, so I want to get some guidance. Thank you. Colman2000 (talk) 19:53, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- (had to battle my way through a IP spam army) Essentially, if it's not fair use, than see that it's still possible; I would suppose, given they have a copyright over the latest edition of their handbook, trying a earlier one (or rather, look for any excerpts out there). 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 23:01, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Although I should note that you were advised last year over this issue. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 23:04, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, Colman2000. When I am trying to summarize some pretty complex sources while avoiding close paraphrasing, I use old fashioned techniques like those described in Outline (list), and actually use pen and paper, working usually with a yellow legal pad or maybe with some excess papers from a computer printer that have something irrelevant printed on the back side. As I read the source material for the second or third time, I jot down phases that serve to remind me of the most important points. In general, they may seem vague to other people but are thematic and serve to later remind me of something important. Sometimes, they may be brief and factual like "died NYC 1892 heart attack". They may resemble internet search terms or the briefest summaries of the results of such search terms. Everything I write has a mnemonic function to me. It may make little sense to anyone else, but these phrases are "reminders" to me and me alone of what I believe the most important points are about the content I plan to summarize. When my jottings are done, I then take a break and do something else for an hour or two. Then, I sit down with my rough notes and summarize in full prose what I learned from the sources. Then, I fact check my own writing and also verify that I have truly written in my own words instead of duplicating through memory the work of the original author. I may forget 95% of the wording of the original material but some striking phrase may stick in my mind. If so, I can include that brief content accurately in quotation marks, attributed to the original source. I hope that this helps. Cullen328 (talk) 08:34, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
@Cullen328: That helps a lot. Thank you. Colman2000 (talk) 03:56, 18 January 2025 (UTC)
Edit reverted by viewmont viking
Hello, I am Olliebowen28. I am a new-ish user, and one of my first edits was to the Mankato west high school page. I added the school fight song lyrics and tune to the page. Then, some guy named Viewmont Viking came along and reverted it. The only reason he provided is, "WP is not a webhost." Being a new user, I have no idea what that means. I posted several comments explaining why my edit belongs in wikipedia, and I asked what "WP is not a webhost" means. He never responded to any of my comments, and in desperation for his attention, I reverted his edit of reverting my edit. I put in the description of my edit to look at the talk page comments, and he never looked nor explained. He also posted a few comments on my talk page, linking articles about wikipedia guidelines. None of them applied to my edit. All I ask is that my contribution not be reverted again, or if my contributions did violate some guideline that you explain what guideline was broken and how it can be fixed so that it doesn't.
Many thanks, OllieBowen28 (talk) 22:25, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Contents in Wikipedia articles need to be Verifiable in reliable sources, therefore informations that might not be significant enough to get coverage from reliable sources typically wouldn't be included due to the difficulty in finding sources for them. You should provide citation for the content you added, otherwise other editors would not be able to check its reliability. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 22:40, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply. I will try to find a reliable source OllieBowen28 (talk) 22:55, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- @OllieBowen28, the lyrics to the school's fight song might be protected by copyright. But even if they aren't, they're trivia, not something that belongs in an encyclopedia article. Schazjmd (talk) 23:15, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @OllieBowen28. See WP:NOTWEBHOST; the implication is that the other user believed that the material you added was not encyclopaedic.
- Quite apart from that, there is the question of copyright: you may not insert copyright material into a Wikipedia article, unless it has been explicitly released or licensed appropriately.
- One more point: you are edit-warring, and you must stop. Irrespective of right and wrong, edit-warring is forbidden. ColinFine (talk) 23:16, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, OllieBowen28, only US song lyrics published over 95 years ago are sure to be in the public domain. My quick Google search shows that Mankato West High School was founded in 1951. If that is accurate, then it is likely that the song lyrics are still copyright protected. Even if they are in the public domain for some reason, most high school song lyrics are banal, routine and predictable. So, unless reliable published sources independent of the high school have commented on the innovative and unique nature of these lyrics, then they do not belong in this encyclopedia. Cullen328 (talk) 08:56, 17 January 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply. I will try to find a reliable source OllieBowen28 (talk) 22:55, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Women's Sports Network
Considering creating a draft article for Women's Sports Network, a free ad-supported streaming television service. For some reason the title is blacklisted. Anyone know the reason why? Esolo5002 (talk) 23:08, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
- @Esolo5002: Are you sure that's the exact title you tried? Your post here used a normal apostrophe which is allowed but a similar character is disallowed. Compare Draft:Women's Sports Network (allowed) and Draft:Women’s Sports Network (disallowed). PrimeHunter (talk) 23:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Please help with reference number 9 - "journal" comes up as red. Please repair and Im sorry - I did not do this mistake/citation. I saw the red ink. Thanks Srbernadette (talk) 23:20, 15 January 2025 (UTC)
Already done - There was a missing journal parameter; you're welcome. 2601AC47 (talk·contribs·my rights) Isn't a IP anon 23:26, 15 January 2025 (UTC)