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March 4
Block notice problem
I just pblocked User:JohnAdams1800 for two weeks. However, when I used Twinkle to do it, the block notice came out as gobbledy gook (the block itself worked). I reverted myself and tried again, this time using Twinkle to add only the block notice. Same result. I reverted myself again and handwrote the notice of the block. I suspect it's not Twinkle but something wrong on the Talk page, but I'm not good at finding such things, assuming I'm right. Can someone figure out what happened? Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 01:25, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- There was an unclosed <nowiki> tag on the page further above. I've fixed it now. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:00, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, Pppery, should I test it, or is that not necessary?--Bbb23 (talk) 02:06, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Feel free to, but I'm fairly confident that was all. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:08, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, Pppery, couldn't resist. :-) Works perfectly now.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:14, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Feel free to, but I'm fairly confident that was all. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:08, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, Pppery, should I test it, or is that not necessary?--Bbb23 (talk) 02:06, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
Best way to include a graph?
I think the graphs in this BBC article would be useful to include in Second Trump tariffs or First Trump tariffs. What's the best way to include them in line with Wikipedia's fair use policies? Take a screenshot of it, recreate the graph myself, etc.? Is there a place on Wikipedia where other people will recreate graphs on request? satkara❈talk 03:01, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Your Link isn't working Moxy🍁 03:05, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Whoops, thanks. Here: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn48q3150dxo satkara❈talk 04:15, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Satkara There is a graphs lab, where you can request graphs: see WP:GRAPHLAB. However, the BBC site credits the US Census Bureau, so if you can find the originals on their website, they may well be public domain as works of the US government. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:37, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Whoops, thanks. Here: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn48q3150dxo satkara❈talk 04:15, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Satkara: For the first graph, re-create it yourself based on the U.S. government data used by the BBC. If you can, find and cite the actual US government source instead of the vague BBC citation. Your result will be under your copyright and you can put it on Commons. The BBC graph has very few "creative" (i.e., copyrightable) elements, but try to avoid an exact copy of colors or styles. In my opinion BBC did not do any creative "selection" or "arrangement" of this data. The second graph is more problematic, since BBC did some math using their own factors. You can try to go back to the US government data and make your own assessment to make a similar graph. For this graph, also be aware that "selection and arrangement" are copyrightable creative elements, so do not do it exactly the same way. -Arch dude (talk) 12:48, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks everyone - @Arch dude @Michael D. Turnbull @Moxy! Appreciate the help and all of you being here and making Wikipedia a more welcoming place :) satkara❈talk 16:24, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Seconding that, based on what I've seen since I started watching this page a few weeks ago as a result of asking my own question. Musiconeologist (talk) 17:15, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks everyone - @Arch dude @Michael D. Turnbull @Moxy! Appreciate the help and all of you being here and making Wikipedia a more welcoming place :) satkara❈talk 16:24, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
Convert the logo of CUPET to a non-free
Hi wikis,how convert this logo (File:CUPET Logo.svg) to a Non-free logo ,this logo is not a simple logo ,it’s a complex,is the same logo deleted in Commons (File:Screenshot (File CUPET Logo.png deletion log).png) i see in my watchlist in Wikimedia Commons,the User:Túrelio (Administrator of Wikimedia Commons) deleted the logo and say:Non-free logo above Threshold of originality. (Google translator) AbchyZa22 (talk) 12:07, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- AbchyZa22, I found another non free file and copied the code, does it look right now? TSventon (talk) 13:05, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, thank you AbchyZa22 (talk) 13:50, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
Further reading
An editor finds a great book or a good article. Maybe they have written it themselves, maybe a friend or a colleague has written it. Or maybe they just think it is great. Then they think about all WP pages where they can put it in the Further reading section. It fits here, it fits there, soon the book is added to five pages or more. Is this perfectly fine? I have read WP:Further reading but I cannot find anything about this. (PS I am a returning editor and sometimes a bit lost.) Lova Falk (talk) 17:06, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- I think there are two sides to this:
- what the editor adding the book should do
- what later editors finding it should do.
- And I think the answer to the first one is probably "suggest it on the talk page, as a potential conflict of interest", and that the answer to the second one is "treat it like any other addition to the list, and assess whether it does indeed belong there".
The edits are likely to look promotional, whether they're intended that way or not.
But those are just my personal thoughts on it, and other people may have different ones. Musiconeologist (talk) 17:34, 4 March 2025 (UTC)- Thank you Musiconeologist, I find it interesting to read what you think, and I hope more people will weigh in. (BTW So far, I haven't seen any editors spontaneously writing on the Talk page that there could be, or is, a potential conflict of interest.) Lova Falk (talk) 17:54, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- WP:SELFCITE suggests that adding a source where you have a COI is acceptable, and I agree with that for sources, since, after all, the contributor has gone to the trouble of expanding the content of the article with the new source as verification. That's not quite the same for further reading, where the author hasn't bothered to add any real content and is coming closer to merely promoting their own work. Hence, in that case, I think that it is better practice to go via the talk page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:25, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you Mike Turnbull! I'll do as you say, open a conversation about it. Lova Falk (talk) 14:26, 6 March 2025 (UTC)
- WP:SELFCITE suggests that adding a source where you have a COI is acceptable, and I agree with that for sources, since, after all, the contributor has gone to the trouble of expanding the content of the article with the new source as verification. That's not quite the same for further reading, where the author hasn't bothered to add any real content and is coming closer to merely promoting their own work. Hence, in that case, I think that it is better practice to go via the talk page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:25, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you Musiconeologist, I find it interesting to read what you think, and I hope more people will weigh in. (BTW So far, I haven't seen any editors spontaneously writing on the Talk page that there could be, or is, a potential conflict of interest.) Lova Falk (talk) 17:54, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
Image sizes
Hi, I am making this article: List of Hungarian monarchs
Do we have any way that we can set the image size in mass in each row? It is really boring to set up manually each image size one by one. Like max width or height. OrionNimrod (talk) 22:19, 4 March 2025 (UTC)
- @OrionNimrod: - not that I'm aware of. I used |150px in the various lists of windmills, such as list of windmills in Pas-de-Calais. Just change the number to get the desired size. Mjroots (talk) 10:50, 5 March 2025 (UTC)
- @Mjroots, @OrionNimrod: No, don't do that. No explicit "px" size should be used — see MOS:IMAGESIZE. And don't forget "alt". As an example, use
[[File:Klebebände - János Zsigmond király - 2.jpg|alt=Drawing of King John Sigismund Zápolya|frameless|center|upright=0.7]]
Bazza 7 (talk) 17:20, 5 March 2025 (UTC)