Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2011 September 21

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was the target will be changed, see below for rational. NAC Ajraddatz (Talk) 23:30, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Universal consciousness → Collective unconscious (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

they are completely different things. They are associated to each other in an abstract family of concepts, but universal consciousness as a concept is not synonymous with collective unconsciousness. It would be like having a link to yellow redirect to a page on the color blue, just because they are both colors. Yellow and blue and distinctly separate, and so too are universal consciousness and collective unconscious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.188.175.199 (talk) 20:00, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Universal mind. Looking here they seem sufficiently related for a meaningful redirect. Bridgeplayer (talk) 21:49, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - I'm unfamiliar enough with these terms (and still unfamiliar after reading the articles!) that I'm not totally comfortable weighing in on this one. Bridgeplayer's suggestion sounds solid. I've put a note on the talk page of universal mind to see if editors there agree or have an idea of a better place. —mako๛ 15:10, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per Bridgeplayer. Zickel (talk) 21:05, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Closed. The current target will be changed to Universal mind, per consensus above. While not all users are certain that this the best way to go, research by one user is widely supported and the query on Talk:Universal mind has not been answered. If this becomes a concern at a later time, then another discussion can be activated. Ajraddatz (Talk) 23:30, 12 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was Keep. There is no consensus as to whether the keep is in the current form, or as a new disambig, but that is an editing issue, not a deletion issue, and is best worked out on the page itself and/or its talk page. TexasAndroid (talk) 14:15, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Mord → Murder (German law) (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

Delete. Wikipedia is not a German-English dictionary, and the two mainspace articles currently linking to Mord refer to (probably non-notable) musicians, not to the legal concept. Huon (talk) 18:11, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - it is our practice to keep non-English redirects where they represent the name of the article in the native language of the subject (and we have very, many of these). I think that this is close enough. I have tagged it with {{R from another language}}. I have fixed the two incoming links. Bridgeplayer (talk) 19:52, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - This gets about a hit a day. Given the cost of keeping this around, I don't see any good reason to not present those people with the page that they are very likely looking for. That's why all the other similar redirects are kept around and I don't see any reason to treat this one any differently. —mako๛ 04:12, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate. There also exist the articles Murder (Swiss law) (where it is called "Mord" in German) and Murder (Norway law) ("In Norway an act of murder (mord or drap)") and none of these would seem to be a primary topic. "Mord" is apparently also used to mean "murder" in Austrian law too, but we don't have an article on that currently. Thryduulf (talk) 18:16, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate and not delete to maximize usefulness. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:56, 1 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Disambiguate as there are several articles which the term might refer to. Zickel (talk) 21:07, 5 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page.

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was Retarget. There is talk about the new target merging away via AFD, but that AFD is getting eternally relisted. No reason to keep this RFD open for an eternal AFD. If/when the AFD closes, this redirect can be retargeted again if the new target merges away. But for now, the new target can be the new target and this RFD can finally close. TexasAndroid (talk) 14:20, 14 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Next election in Denmark → Danish parliamentary election, 2011 (links to redirect • history • stats)     [ Closure: keep/delete ] 

The 2011 election is no longer the next election. This is why you don't create "next X" titles, kids! –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 00:32, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Next Danish parliamentary election, the original target. This is obviously a useful redirect for the retarget. Whether the retarget is encyclopaedic is, however, a matter for another forum! Bridgeplayer (talk) 00:56, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

*facepalm* Thinking of nominating that for deletion too. "Next," aargh. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 01:25, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete both Next election in Denmark and Next Danish parliamentary election. Elections just happened, the next are up to four years away and don't merit an article yet, so the links are not accurate anymore. However, "next X" titles are generally useful when the election is going to happen and has an article but a specific date is subject to complex rules, such as in Next German federal election. Hekerui (talk) 09:04, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - Hi. thanks for your comment. However, we can't delete Next Danish parliamentary election here since it is an article. It would not be a non-controversial deletion so I suggest that it would need to go to WP:AFD. Bridgeplayer (talk) 13:51, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I had missed that it was made into a stub (an old cache or something). This makes my comment about it moot in this discussion and I second your suggestion above regarding the nominated redirect. Hekerui (talk) 18:17, 21 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Next Danish parliamentary election - This is clearly an appropriate and useful redirect to that article. If someone wants to take that article to WP:AfD, they're welcome to do that and can deal with this redirect with a G6 if the decision there is to delete. —mako๛ 04:05, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per mako๛, although the speedy deletion he mentions would be G8 rather than G6. Thryduulf (talk) 18:20, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looking at the AfD for Next Danish parliamentary election, a merge is suggested to Elections in Denmark. If a merge is the outcome of the AfD discussion, then this redirect should be pointed at the resultant section of Elections in Denmark article. Thryduulf (talk) 18:24, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Actually, that might not be a bad solution permanently - it would save someone having to retarget every time an election passes. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 03:45, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • That sounds right to me. Thanks for helping figure this out! —mako๛ 15:52, 27 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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