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The result of the discussion was retarget to Phanphan where I put the dab because none of the entries had a space. (non-admin closure) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 05:09, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Phan Phan → List of Kirby characters#Phan Phan  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in target. QuicoleJR (talk) 23:51, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Disambiguate "Phanphan" is mentioned at List of Kirby: Right Back at Ya! episodes, and a different PhanPhan is at HappinessCharge PreCure!, and it can be confused for Fanfan (disambiguation) (including Fan-Fan) -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 04:58, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 04:32, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Falange → FET y de las JONS  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• La Falange → La Falange (1999)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Falange (political party) → FET y de las JONS  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]
• Falange Party → FET y de las JONS  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ]

Should these be harmonized? For half a decade, La Falange redirected to FET y de las JONS before it was retargetted to La Falange (1999) for half a decade. Should La Falange (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) be restored to pointing to FET y de las JONS, or should La Falange (1999) be moved to "La Falange"? Should "La Falange" be retargetted to Falange (disambiguation) ? Should "Falange (disambiguation)" be moved to Falange (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) ? -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 17:37, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• NOTE "La" is an article in speech, the equivalent of "The" in Spanish.
• I am the nominator. Disambiguate all I am of the opinion that Falange should become a disambiguation page, and La Falange should point to the disambiguation page ( currently located at Falange (disambiguation) ) -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 17:37, 3 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Disambiguate all sounds reasonable to me. Evilninja (talk) 19:49, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per WP:G4. (non-admin closure) Randi🦋^Talk_Contribs 16:59, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• 2038 FIFA World Cup → FIFA World Cup  (talk · links · history · stats)      [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Duckmather (talk) 15:35, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 17:17, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• 1/6 rioters climb stairways with ropes and makeshift ladders → January 6 United States Capitol attack  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Very similar redirect (yet not the same as) to the two related RfDs, and the exact same issue applies: a random sentence out of the article that readers wouldn't plausibly search for. Randi🦋^Talk_Contribs 15:01, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete No incoming links, no reason for anyone to search this. Also, WP:DAFT.162.83.141.156 (talk) 00:09, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was Keep former, Move DAB page over latter. -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:04, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Long run → Long run and short run  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Long Run → Long run and short run  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Longrun is possibly a better target (and also maybe better renamed). 1234qwer1234qwer4 15:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Swap Long Run with Longrun as the word that is most disambiguated on the page. Retarget Long run to Long Run. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:30, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Swap Longrun to Long Run because the title case form is used by most entries on the page. But keep Long run targeted to Long run and short run because that is the primary topic at that capitalisation (WP:SMALLDETAILS). Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 19:07, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Agree with Shhhnotsoloud. Jay 💬 09:35, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Concur with Jay. J947 † ^edits 05:21, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 14:21, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Michael King III → Martin Luther King III  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Delete - Martin Luther King Jr. was/is his father's legal name. Very useless redirect. Renominated this since the previous discussion had no consensus. ErceÇamurOfficial (talk) 09:26, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. His name was never Michael and people of course know his father much better by MLK anyway. WPscatter ^t/_c 18:43, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus. (non-admin closure) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 04:38, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:WPENLANG → Template:WikiProject Endangered languages  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Misleading name. All occurences substituted, now just an obvious redirect-clutter in enwiki Estopedist1 (talk) 04:18, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep How is it misleading? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:34, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  at first, I thought that English Language WP Estopedist1 (talk) 04:47, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Aren't these all just standard shortcuts? They're ambiguous, sure, but are they actually used incorrectly frequently? Seems like deleting them would just disrupt people who apply the tags – and that's all. J947 † ^edits 04:53, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @J947: if people see that e.g. WPENLANG is deleted and hence a red link, then s/he starts to use much better name (i.e. WikiProject Endangered languages), and ultimately everybody wins Estopedist1 (talk) 05:11, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  That's just forcing people to type more for no reason. Please state how this might cause confusion. J947 † ^edits 05:12, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Because EN is the internationally and universally recognized abbreviation for English, which is in no way an endangered language. I have never seen EN used to abbreviate Endangered before today. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 06:10, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Yeah, duh. Where's the point? Is it that people might be confused if they type in {{WPENLANG}} and the wrong template comes up? A red link is just as unhelpful. Substituting transclusions and bringing a (K4) redirect to RfD seems just a pointless waste of time in this instance. J947 † ^edits 06:43, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment there;s {{WikiProject English language}} which this could be confused for -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 22:43, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to {{WikiProject English language}} - Much more logical use of this shortcut. Fieari (talk) 03:57, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Note that WP:ENLANG redirects to the endangered languages WikiProject (while WP:WPENLANG doesn't exist). If {{WPENLANG}} is ambiguous, then so might be that redirect. I've also notified the project of this discussion. Randi🦋^Talk_Contribs 16:19, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus/disambiguate. In this discussion, there is no consensus between keeping, disambiguating, and deleting. However, a conventional "no consensus" close would favor the minority who support keeping, as opposed to those who support some type of change. (non-admin closure) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 04:45, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:WPENG → Template:WikiProject Engineering  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Misleading name. All occurences substituted, now just an obvious redirect-clutter in enwiki Estopedist1 (talk) 04:46, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, helpful and not misleading. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Koavf: it is obvious (?!) that misleading, most think that it is WP England Estopedist1 (talk) 05:06, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lots of things can mean lots of things. Do you have any examples of non-engineering England-related articles being tagged with this? ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:10, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Keep per Koavf, as this redirect has been around for more than one half decade. --Jax 0677 (talk) 22:38, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Jax 0677@Koavf: time factor is a weak argument for keeping. In principle, same case as already discussed at Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2023_April_6#Template:WPCOUNTRY Estopedist1 (talk) 05:46, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete due to the ambiguity of ENG meaning engineering, England, or English Oiyarbepsy (talk) 06:08, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Convert to disambiguation page in templatespace (yes those exist) for {{WPENGINEERING}} , {{WPENGLAND}} , {{WikiProject English language}} , etc -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 22:41, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• delete, too many possible meanings for "ENG" per above. Frietjes (talk) 16:05, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Disambiguate per 64.229.90.172- personally, I would connect WPENG with WikiProject English Language, but other users might associate it differently, to disambiguation seems the clear option. Edward-Woodrow :) _[talk] 12:45, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was no consensus/disambiguate for all the same reasons I cited at #Template:WPENG. (non-admin closure) CLYDE ^{TALK TO ME}/_{STUFF DONE} (please mention me on reply) 04:54, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Template:WPCH → Template:WikiProject Switzerland  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Misleading name (at first, I thought that WP China). All occurences substituted, now just an obvious redirect-clutter in enwiki Estopedist1 (talk) 04:54, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Helpful and not misleading. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:56, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: I don't really know what to do here. In many ways I think this redirect makes sense, but the lack of coordination between WP:WPCH which links to Wikipedia:WikiProject Channel Islands and Template:WPCH which links to Template:WikiProject Switzerland could cause confusion. I am unsure of what the solution, but this should likely be remediated. TartarTorte 12:24, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Convert to disambiguation page in templatespace (yes those exist) for {{WPCHINA}}, {{WPSWISS}}, etc -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 22:40, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• delete, too many possible meanings for "WPCH" per above. Frietjes (talk) 16:05, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep, helpful abbreviation, incorrect use will be immediately obvious. —Kusma (talk) 07:41, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or disambiguate — too confusing as per above — Aza24 (talk) 21:23, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, don't disambiguate. Helpful shortcut. Deleting annoys everyone. Disambiguating annoys everyone but in a slower manner. J947 † ^edits 04:51, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:15, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Chris Mitchell (writer) → The Ren & Stimpy Show  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned in the target. From (not so reliable) online sources [1], he was not a writer per se but a storyboard artist so the "writer" disambiguator might not be a great choice. Pichpich (talk) 17:42, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. Veverve (talk) 17:48, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep Samurai Jack episodes show "Written and storyboarded by". AngusW🐶🐶F (bark • sniff) 20:32, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• In this case, the target should be List of Samurai Jack episodes where his name appears (and not much else). His importance to the series may be limited since his name doesn't appear in the article Samurai Jack. Actually, I've just realized that we have the same situation in Ren & Stimpy. He's not mentioned in the main article, but his name appears in List of The Ren & Stimpy Show episodes. If we keep the redirect, which of these two targets should we use? (My answer to that is let's delete the redirect...) Pichpich (talk) 22:22, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. He has worked on different shows (as mentioned at the Chris Mitchell dab as well), and there is no single target plausible. Jay 💬 11:28, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete without prejudice against recreation as an article or as a redirect to somewhere where the concept is discussed -- Tamzin^{[cetacean needed]} (she|they|xe) 04:29, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Fakeroot → Superuser  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not mentioned at target. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 16:58, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to chroot, as a {{R from search term}} -- as "chroot" is a command which changes the root directory to a fake root location -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 22:28, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Huh? Fakeroot and [2] are two completely different tools. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 23:21, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  As you already pointed out, there's no article on that topic. It does however function as a search term for chroot, as it creates a fake root directory location. -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 23:24, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per WP:REDLINK --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:05, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. No mention of it on enwiki. It may be re-created when we have info on it on some debian page. Jay 💬 11:55, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. Converted to a surname page. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 04:54, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Alary → Wing  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Propose to convert to surname index. There are Giulio Alary, Olivier Alary, Michel Alary, Damien Alary, and others. It looks a term that has fell into disuse, meaning pertaining to wings. I think most readers searching this up are looking for the surname, and those looking for the current target can be adequately provided for by a see also entry. J947 † ^edits 04:49, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Support per nom --Lenticel ^(talk) 04:59, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Support per nom, should primarily be a surname page with a see also. Skynxnex (talk) 06:46, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Support for the reasons given by Skynxnex. Mr. Swordfish (talk) 17:15, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Drafted. Could be either a surname index or a dab page, I think. J947 † ^edits 03:52, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Joos. (non-admin closure) CycloneYoris ^talk! 04:47, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• JOOS → Japanese occupation of Singapore  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Didn't find any sources to support this acronym. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:13, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Retarget to Joos as {{R from miscapitalisation}}, unless another use can be found that we have information on such as Java Oriented Object Subset. All uses of this term referring to the current target that I can see seem to stem from this redirect. J947 † ^edits 03:42, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget per J947 -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 07:04, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Joos as an {{R from miscapitalisation}} per J947. InterstellarGamer12321 (talk | contribs) 17:49, 10 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Retarget to Joos per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:57, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result of the discussion was delete. ✗plicit 11:55, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• 2023 Belgorod Oblast incusion → 2023 Belgorod Oblast incursion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible misspell, should be deleted. Super Ψ Dro 09:10, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment it's a single letter omission, as such, a likely and plausible misspelling. As to wither to keep or delete, I have no opinion -- 64.229.90.172 (talk) 04:23, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• This should have been tagged as a CSD R3. Delete. Jay 💬 06:25, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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