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On longevity
Many English speakers use /ŋd͡ʒ/ when pronouncing the word longevity. So, in a sense, the same single letter g can be heard doubly, first as part of the digraph ⟨ng⟩, a voiced velar nasal (/ŋ/), then as a voiced postalveolar affricate /d͡ʒ/.
Can this be found in other English words? (According to Wiktionary, e.g., longitude is not pronounced with a voiced velar nasal. Note: I'm not just looking for other words with /ŋd͡ʒ/, such as "longjaw", but ones where that sound is represented only by the letters "ng" in writing). Thank you in advance!---Sluzzelin talk 17:15, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- A variant doubling: Languish. Modocc (talk) 17:29, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Bangle. Modocc (talk) 17:38, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Finger? Modocc (talk) 17:42, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Tangent. Modocc (talk) 17:55, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not exactly sure what you're asking for, but New Yorkers are noted for pronouncing "Long Island" as "Long Guy Land". Deor (talk) 17:59, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant /ŋd͡ʒ/ in particular, not /ŋɡ/ for example. Is tangent really ever pronounced //ˈtæŋ.d͡ʒənt//? Anyway, thanks for your examples, Modocc and Deor. ---Sluzzelin talk 18:09, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- I've never heard tangent pronounced that way. One example that does come to mind is the song "Jingle Bells", which almost everyone pronounces "Jing-gle Bells", but Bing Crosby's rendition is perhaps the "right" way: "Jing-le Bells". Then there's the Beatles drummer, which everyone (including himself) pronounces "Ring-go". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:33, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, Bugs! Again, I expressed myself ambiguously. I'm looking for words including "ng" + vowel (or "nj" + vowel, see Jack below) in their spelling, but the same sound "ng" + "j" you find in "long jump" for example. ---Sluzzelin talk 11:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- I guess I'm nobody, then. Because I say "Ring-O"--User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 11:35, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Almost everyone. :) ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 18:52, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- And speaking of Bings, there's the game Bingo, which is typically pronounced "Bing-go". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 14:28, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- I've never heard tangent pronounced that way. One example that does come to mind is the song "Jingle Bells", which almost everyone pronounces "Jing-gle Bells", but Bing Crosby's rendition is perhaps the "right" way: "Jing-le Bells". Then there's the Beatles drummer, which everyone (including himself) pronounces "Ring-go". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 19:33, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Yeah, sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant /ŋd͡ʒ/ in particular, not /ŋɡ/ for example. Is tangent really ever pronounced //ˈtæŋ.d͡ʒənt//? Anyway, thanks for your examples, Modocc and Deor. ---Sluzzelin talk 18:09, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Some may say "ingest", "dingy/ier/iest", "enjoin", "enjambment" that way. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 20:25, 13 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you, Jackster, I wouldn't have expected it in those examples! ---Sluzzelin talk 11:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- You're welcome, Sluzzmeister. -- Jack of Oz [pleasantries] 11:49, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you, Jackster, I wouldn't have expected it in those examples! ---Sluzzelin talk 11:10, 14 April 2025 (UTC)
- I have heard one or two Englishpeople say /lɔŋɪtuːd/. —Tamfang (talk) 21:08, 15 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wiktionary:londgitude says that is a "more traditional" British English pronunciation. In my experience, very rare these days but a valid example. Alansplodge (talk) 11:46, 19 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wiktionary:longitude has "(UK, General Australian, New Zealand) IPA(key): /ˈlɒnɡɪtjuːd/, /ˈlɒnd͡ʒɪtjuːd/ (more traditional), /-tʃuːd/ (yod-coalescence)". Wikipedia:Longitude has "/ˈlɒndʒɪtjuːd/, AU and UK also /ˈlɒŋɡɪ-/". There is no example of /ŋd͡ʒ/. ‑‑Lambiam 07:10, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
- Wiktionary:londgitude says that is a "more traditional" British English pronunciation. In my experience, very rare these days but a valid example. Alansplodge (talk) 11:46, 19 April 2025 (UTC)