Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 May 8

May 8

Template:Politics of ancient Rome

There is no reason to deprecate a sidebar template. It either is useful and the deprecation template should be removed, or it should be replaced and the template deleted. Gonnym (talk) 22:20, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment: this template has been in use for twenty years, has been regularly maintained, and is, if I understand the statistics correctly, used in about ninety different articles. The "deprecation" message says that it should be replaced by one of two other templates—only one of which currently seems to exist. At the very least, this move seems premature. P Aculeius (talk) 12:30, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: It appears that this notice was placed after a discussion on the template's talk page, but the rest of the process was not carried out. Pinging @Ifly6, Biz, and T8612:, the participants in that discussion. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:38, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is there some other way to say "don't use this template, use these other templates"? The deprecation convention I am used to is persist-indefinitely. The number of pages on which that sidebar was semi-mindlessly dumped is very long. There was general agreement that the combined approach had gradually accumulated into a cruft of barely organised links. As to the replacement templates, I created the republican one; I am not an expert on the imperial period and deferred to others for creation of that sidebar. Ifly6 (talk) 20:12, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If this is a deletion discussion, as indicated on the template page itself, I would think a deletion would have to wait for the imperial era template to be created and rolled out. Ifly6 (talk) 20:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I did make a start on an empire template, but realised we need a decision on what year we cut it off, and apologies have not continued on it. The previous template used the fall of the 5th-century Western Empire, which is an inappropriate reflection of current scholarship. That said, more important is that the Republic and Empire are differentiated, so I will request that, at minimum, Ifly6's work on those pages remain until more work is done for an empire template. I can work on the template if people here can help with a decision on the end date (it's either the 5th, 8th or 15th centuries). Biz (talk) 21:14, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Election box majority

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Keep * Pppery * it has begun... 01:14, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I recommend redirecting {{Election box majority}} to {{Election box margin of victory}}, which has identical code with one exception: it uses the unambiguous term "margin of victory" instead of the ambiguous (some would say incorrect) term "majority" to indicate the margin of victory between the second-place and first-place candidates, per MOS:COMMONALITY. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:51, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Majority" is commonly used and understood, particularly in British English and British political discussion. Would this deletion/replacement cause unnecessary disruption for what is just a difference in a turn of phrase? doktorb wordsdeeds 20:52, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed - majority is invariably used in British politics. Icc27 (talk) 21:10, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that this would absolutely cause disruption on it, especially as it is a common term in British politics CIN I&II (talk) 01:39, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This would cause a ton of disruption, constituency pages + local election articles for every council in the country would need to be changed. Some constituencies, like Watford, have election results going back to the 1800s and most councils have election pages going back to at least the 1990s, updating these with a new template would either need to be a large coordinated effort or will take ages.
I'll also add that that the USA is not the centre of the world and it has many phrases and styles that aren't used anywhere else. In the UK, and most other countries I've seen, they use "majority". I had never even heard the phrase "margin of victory" until today. CybJubal (talk) 08:43, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - majority is used in the context of British politics, margin of victory is more North American-centric. Deleting the majority template would cause confusion and disruption. Into oblivion (talk) 02:39, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep for the reasons outlined above. The disruption caused by this would be significant. This template is used in most articles in the UK and Canada to display the results in council elections, regional elections and individual constituencies or ridings in general elections. The term "majority" is almost universally used here in the UK and in much of the Commonwealth and other countries with parliamentary systems. I have hardly heard the term "margin of victory" used at all, even in presidential contexts like the US, though I don't tend to follow politics over there as much. Therefore, given these reasons and the reasons above, I think it would be best to keep Election box majority as it is. TheHarveyWallbanger (talk) 06:22, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above, and, per the above, consider whether to redirect {{Election box margin of victory}} to {{Election box majority}} per WP:COMMONALITY. I don't recall hearing the term "margin of victory". Wiktionary gives two definitions, Lawinisder gives two different definitions, one of which has two different sub-definitions. Even our use in Landslide is dubious, since elsewhere it is stated that, in presidential elections, MoV applies to the electoral college vote. All the best: Rich Farmbrough 07:42, 9 May 2025 (UTC).[reply]
Keep per above, "majority" is the term used consistently in British politics. British readers would not know the term "margin of victory", and as a British editor, I have literally never heard that phrase before. CybJubal (talk) 08:26, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - this is a widely understood term in British politics. 'Margin of victory' is not generally used. 2A00:23C8:B191:8101:A564:A817:4AE1:F77F (talk) 09:00, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep also as per above; this has just been recently widely used in the UK local elections and "margin of victory" is not a term used within British politics while "majority" is commonly understood. gbrading (ταlκ) 11:44, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and snowclose. CR (how's my driving? call 0865 88318) 14:34, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawn. This is clearly a meaning of the word "majority" that I, as a US person, had never seen, and it is interesting to hear that "margin of victory", which is common in the US, is not used in the UK. Two countries separated by a common language, indeed. As such, there does not appear to be an opportunity to use a shared term. I have linked the term to a section of the article "majority" to help US readers. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:50, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Agree - when > 2 candidates present comparing  winner with just the 2nd place is not a majority, and leads to confusion when assembly seats majorities are correctly shown. "Majority is commonly [mis] used and understood” to pretend that only 2 parties exits and align with the misuse of a 2 party voting system being used when multiple parties are present. Tomb98 (talk) 18:57, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Template:IFL awards

All of these links but one are redirects. These awards aren't notable enough for standalone articles. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:29, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:MENA topic

No transclusions. Created in 2009. May have been superseded by {{Africa topic}}, {{Middle East}}, or similar. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:20, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Hebrew audio

No transclusions. Created in 2008. May have been superseded by another template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:18, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Vermont TV

No transclusions or documentation. Created in 2010. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:16, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom jp×g🗯️ 19:24, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Waiting for a response

No transclusions, categories, incoming links from discussions, or template parameters. Created in January 2025. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:06, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Synchronized skating competitive highlights

No transclusions or incoming links from discussions. Created in January 2025. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:06, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:NFL games

Navbox with no transclusions and no main article. Created in February 2025. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:05, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Just add it to the corresponding articles? jp×g🗯️ 19:23, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Incumbent

No transclusions or incoming links from discussions to explain why it was created. Created in February 2025. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:04, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It was intended to be used in infoboxes. Since using anything other than {{wdib}} for fetching wikidata in infoboxes is prohibited, this template may be deleted. RitezeTalk 17:54, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Electorates of the Australian House of Representatives interactive map (2022)

No transclusions, documentation, incoming links from discussions, or template parameters. Created in February 2025. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:04, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just added transclusion. –twotwofourtysix(talk || edits) 04:25, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox neighborhood quarter

No transclusions or documentation. Created in February 2025. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:03, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Logarithmic timeline before 10,000 BP

No transclusions, incoming links from discussions, or template parameters. Created in February 2025. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:00, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Matthew Puccini

Links to only two films; does not meet guidelines at MOS:FILM#Navigation. DoubleCross (‡) 16:51, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Courts of the Holy Roman Empire

Sidebar with no transclusions, no documentation, no main article, and just three links in the body. No incoming links to explain why it was created. Created in February 2025. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:49, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Majorette Primary style

No transclusions. Created in February 2025. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Historical composition of the Chamber of Deputies (Mexico)

No transclusions, documentation, incoming links from discussions, or template parameters. Created in February 2025. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:48, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Infobox Indian Constituency (wd)

No transclusions. Created in February 2025. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:47, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As it is not feasible to implement it using only {{wdib}}, it may be deleted. RitezeTalk 17:45, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Gavin Michael Booth

Links to only two films; does not meet guidelines at MOS:FILM#Navigation. DoubleCross (‡) 16:47, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:GreenBlack

No transclusions or documentation. Created in March 2025. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Demotivator

No transclusions. Created in March 2025. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:42, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

keep transcluded jp×g🗯️ 19:12, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep nomination rationale no longer the case, plus this is totally harmless. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:01, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Span id

No transclusions or incoming links to explain why they exist. Created in March 2025. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:40, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Biomedical research

Sidebar with no transclusions, no main article, no documentation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:39, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Dennis Latos

Links to only two films; does not meet guidelines at MOS:FILM#Navigation. DoubleCross (‡) 16:37, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Police and crime commissioner by-elections

Unused new navbox redundant to {{2014 United Kingdom local elections}} and {{2021 United Kingdom local elections}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:02, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Those templates, {{Police and crime commissioner by-elections}} and {{2014 United Kingdom local elections}}/{{2021 United Kingdom local elections}}, are doing different things. The navbox is in use. Bondegezou (talk) 09:01, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Current Frederick County Council (Maryland)

Navbox with no transclusions, no main article, and no blue links in the body. Members of an elected county council for a county with a population of 271,717 are unlikely to be notable. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:53, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, no main space usage, if it was used it could be replaced by other things. -Samoht27 (talk) 16:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Charter school

No transclusions or incoming links to explain why it was created. Created in 2021. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:50, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not gonna lie, I made this with no knowledge of how to make templates. Since I still know nothing about making templates, I am agnostic to the deletion of this template. TheGEICOgecko (talk) 22:13, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:2025 Nobel Prize winners

No transclusions. The main article for the 2025 prizes has not been created yet, and the first prize announcements won't be made until 6 October 2025, five months from now. Delete, without prejudice to recreating the template when it is actually useful. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:02, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- what is the purpose of going through a giant bureaucratic timesink to delete the template, then force somebody to recreate the entire thing and all its formatting de novo in a couple months? jp×g🗯️ 19:21, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The template appears in a report every day until it is transcluded. That means this unused template would be cluttering up 180 or so versions of the report. If there is a guideline for "templates can be created X time in advance of their need", I haven't seen it. The TFD guidelines sayThe template is not used, either directly or by template substitution (the latter cannot be concluded from the absence of backlinks), and has no likelihood of being used. Interpreted strictly, {{2056 Nobel Prize winners}} has a likelihood of being used in 31 years, but no reasonable person would keep it here at TFD. Where is the line, even if it is fuzzy? Editors appear to want to create templates far earlier than their use date, possibly thinking that Wikipedia is some sort of game that you "win" by being "first" at something. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:31, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This was a temporary solution after a change in the format at the wbhof website. It's been over 5 years, so it's safe to say that all articles are using the new format now. Frietjes (talk) 14:24, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Athletics World Cup

All entries were deleted, nothing to navigate. ✗plicit 14:23, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Useful templates

This is a random collection of templates and is unused on the pages it links to. Move to user's subpage as their own navbox. Gonnym (talk) 11:06, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Userfy, if this is something a user finds useful, they can have it as a subpage. -Samoht27 (talk) 16:16, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:RequestedArticlesByTopic

Unused another than in one old talk archive. Disable or subst template there and delete template. Gonnym (talk) 10:22, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Recent AfDs/small core

This small version while linked as an option from Template:Recent AfDs is not used anywhere. Seems there is no need for this style. Gonnym (talk) 10:16, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, unneeded version of a well-established template which serves the same purpose. -Samoht27 (talk) 17:04, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Eigo

This template is seemingly almost never used and only adds confusion to the many Japanese language templates out there. Template:Nihongo krt has replaced this template and is more closely maintained. Alxeedo ゐ talk 06:23, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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