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April 30

01:09, 30 April 2025 review of submission by Romandraco42

I want to publish. PLEASE help me. Edit. Perfect. Publish ~ Thank you Romandraco42 (talk) 01:09, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Listing it here isn't going to get it reviewed any quicker. Your submission was declined because you haven't included any references (please see WP:CITE). Once these issues are fixed, resubmit it. If you don't fix these issues, it will be declined again. Aydoh8[what have I done now?] 01:12, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

02:29, 30 April 2025 review of submission by Kaiserreich1918

Does anyone have any idea of how I can improve my draft so it's accepted? The declination notice mentioned something about reliable and primary/secondary sources. Unfortunately, official government sources regarding the project are scarce, which may be surprising to some of you, but that's mexican bureaucracy at its finest lol. Kaiserreich1918 (talk) 02:29, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Kaiserreich1918! The great news is you don't need government sources - in fact we would prefer you don't use them, because we want to hear what independent people have written about it. Perhaps there's been articles in newspapers or magazines about your subject, or even a book (or part of a book) if it's important enough? Those would be ideal. StartGrammarTime (talk) 04:19, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

05:54, 30 April 2025 review of submission by Simonasim414

Hello, I would like to ask for assistance to understand why this topic is not sufficiently notable for Wikipedia (yes, I have read the guidelines). I understood that Wikipedia is missing information and building up the knowledge of business in Africa. Fintech and financial technology sphere is recent sphere (just a few decades) and developing in many African countries. I wrote a page of one of the fintech pioneers in Uganda with demonstrable official recognition in the country's fintech and technology area. How else it could earn notability? This is a very fresh and recent development in the African countries - we are talking just of a few decades and just max. 20 years and of 10-15 years of existing official regulations and guidances and attempts to establish the field. There will be no proper historical research and biographers... But the topic should have coverage in Wikipedia, it is an advantage. Simonasim414 (talk) 05:54, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Simonasim414: there is no such thing as "should have coverage in Wikipedia" because you feel the subject is somehow "worthy" or "deserving", let alone that you think it needs "exposure" etc. If sufficient sources don't exist to demonstrate notability, then the subject cannot be included in Wikipedia. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:21, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

07:58, 30 April 2025 review of submission by 103.217.78.200

every one in this world want to know about sir sooban talha. so please make this draft vailable 103.217.78.200 (talk) 07:58, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

People do not want to know about Sooban Talha. This draft has been rejected so it can't be resubmitted. People need to meet strict criteria to be notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia and Mr. Talha doesn't meet those.
Also, please don't use AI to write your draft for you. CoconutOctopus talk 08:09, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

09:58, 30 April 2025 review of submission by 120.29.91.251

what kind of sources do i need 120.29.91.251 (talk) 09:58, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You need to tell us the sources where all this information has come from, because it clearly hasn't come from the ones cited in the draft.
Also, the citations need to be placed inline next to the information they support, so that it's clear which source has provided what information, and how much of it is not supported by the sources. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:06, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

12:02, 30 April 2025 review of submission by Salicia7

Two clarifications on the comments: 1. In terms of notability, can consideration be given to the fact that the company's subsidiary has an existing Wikipedia article KlickEx? 2. Which sources in particular fail the test of depth, reliability, independence? They are taken from third party news articles (e.g. Techcrunch), and appear relatively detailed. Salicia7 (talk) 12:02, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notability is not inherited by association. It is possible for a subsidiary company to merit an article but not its parent company. Your references all describe the routine business activities of the company, this is not significant coverage that shows how the company meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company.
If you are employed by Norumpay, that must be disclosed per the Terms of Use, see WP:PAID, as well as WP:COI. 331dot (talk) 12:05, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

12:56, 30 April 2025 review of submission by Bhartiya Sangeetkar

Plz help me write this article that matches Wikipedia's terms and conditions... Bhartiya Sangeetkar (talk) 12:56, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bhartiya Sangeetkar You need the full title, including the "Draft:" portion, when linking. I fixed this for you.
We don't do co-editing here at the Help Desk. Do you have questions about the reason for the decline?
You declared a conflict of interest, what is the general nature of it? 331dot (talk) 13:01, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I had drafted this article 2 times but i still don't understand what thing matches wikipedia's terms and conditions. plz help me understand that in simple words. Bhartiya Sangeetkar (talk) 12:18, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

13:17, 30 April 2025 review of submission by Barunpmondal

I added some references for this article. I thought this is suitable and sufficient for this. Could I know what's more I need to do? Barunpmondal (talk) 13:17, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You have resubmitted the draft for review; the reviewer will leave you feedback if not accepted. 331dot (talk) 13:19, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

13:21, 30 April 2025 review of submission by Jitheshcr7

Could anyone please review the submission ? its been more than 3 weeks now pending for review. My previous submissions had been reviewed within the same day. Appreciate a feedback. Jitheshcr7 (talk) 13:21, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jitheshcr7: It will be reviewed at some point, but we don't do expedited reviews and there is no way of predicting when a draft will be reviewed. Since this draft was rejected a couple of weeks ago, it should not have been submitted for review at all. --bonadea contributions talk 13:25, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

13:43, 30 April 2025 review of submission by Visha78

Hello, Being a member of the credit union, I feel it is notable (it is currently the 4th largest CU in MD), but I understand if I shouldn't be submitting on its behalf being that I work there. How do current organizations who are mentioned substantially get submitted but the topic is not as mainstream (like popular figures). Thank you! Visha78 (talk) 13:43, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Mainstream" is not relevant; what matters is the coverage in reliable sources. You haven't provided that; you've just summarized the activities of the credit union. See WP:ORGDEPTH. 331dot (talk) 13:56, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

14:43, 30 April 2025 review of submission by GisPiano34

I want to understand why my Wikipedia page keeps being declined. I fixed the references to the standards of Wikipedia, had taken out some information I did not have references for, and for the references I do have, made sure they came from reputable public, first-hand sources. This is not an easy process. But please help me to understand. My goal is to have the page. GisPiano34 (talk) 14:43, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you have a relationship with this musician, that needs to be disclosed, see WP:COI and WP:PAID.
The draft is very poorly sourced. A Wikipedia article should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about (in this case) a musician, showing how they are a notable musician as Wikipedia defines one. 331dot (talk) 14:51, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I now see that you are editing about yourself; this is highly discouraged, please see the autobiography policy. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves. It's usually very difficult for people to set aside what they know about themselves and only write based on what others say about them. People also naturally write favorably about themselves.
There are good reasons to not want an article about yourself. I suggest that you go on about your career as if you had never heard of Wikipedia; if you truly meet the criteria for an article, someone independent of you will eventually write one. 331dot (talk) 14:54, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GisPiano34: Adding to @331dot's advice, there's always Bandcamp, SoundCloud...and, if you're lucky enough at RequestWiki, Miraheze. (Coming from someone who's waiting for the day that latter service reintroduces Score in its lineup.) --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 00:33, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

15:25, 30 April 2025 review of submission by Tedwardhering

Our page submitted is NOT "unambiguous advertising which only promotes a company, group, product, service, person, or point of view" and we would like to contest this immediate deletion. How can we effectively contest this? We're a legitimate business organization, as clearly outlined in all of our facts and references, and confused why this has occurred and we're unable to get to our page to contest it, the chat box doesn't work and we have no avenue to connect with Wikipedia. Tedwardhering (talk) 15:25, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Tedwardhering: I assume you mean Draft:Benefit Corporations for Good? That has been deleted already. I've just had a look at it, and it was indeed pure promotion, with no evidence of notability per the relevant guideline WP:NCORP.
You also don't seem to have made the paid-editing-disclosure required by our T&Cs. I'll post a message on your talk page with instructions. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 15:32, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Tedwardhering The legitimacy of your business is not at issue. The issue is if your business meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable business. Wikipedia is not a place for businesses to tell about themselves, their offerings, and what they do- that is considered promotional here, you don't need to be actively soliciting customers or selling something. Wikipedia articles summarize what independent reliable sources say about a business, not what it wants to say about itself. 331dot (talk) 15:55, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

15:51, 30 April 2025 review of submission by BodhiHarp

My draft was rejected because it was about a sound that didn't occur in any languages, so what should I do with it? BodhiHarp (talk) 15:51, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As far as Wikipedia is concerned, there's nothing more you can do, the draft was rejected. 331dot (talk) 15:56, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

17:09, 30 April 2025 review of submission by Jgiambattista

I am hoping to get assistance in requesting that someone edit this page. Since I am not an unbiased writer, I would like to have the page reviewed/edited by someone else so that it will be approved. How can I go about doing this? I have taken a look at the "Edit Request Wizard" but am unsure if I can use it since my page is currently still a draft. Thank you for your help! Jgiambattista (talk) 17:09, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You need to click the "Submit your draft for review!" button, located in the lower right corner of the box at the top of your draft, to formally submit it. Before you do, I would suggest you see Referencing for beginners. 331dot (talk) 17:19, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

18:58, 30 April 2025 review of submission by HelpfulEditorPerson

Sabaa Tahir has written a series of books and graphic novels in the An Ember in the Ashes series. 3 of the 4 novels in this series have Wikipedia entries. There are 2 graphic novels in the same series, with a 3rd untitled graphic novel having been announced. I just submitted an article for the first of these graphic novels by this New York Times best selling author. Sabaa Tahir is a well respected author, having been favorably compared to George R.R. Martin and J.K. Rowling. When an established author publishes a book, there should be no question about the worthiness of including an article about that book. If Stephen King publishes a new book, does anyone have to prove that the book is noteworthy, or is it enough that Stephen King is the author? The real question is, why haven't these articles already been created? A Sky Beyond the Storm was published in 2020 -- no article. A Thief Among the Trees was published in 2020 -- no article. A Spark Within the Forge was published in 2022 -- no article! HelpfulEditorPerson (talk) 18:58, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @HelpfulEditorPerson neither of the sources you cited are useful. One is just the book itself which is not needed and the other is Amazon which is commercial site selling the book so not a reliable source. See WP:NBOOK for the notability guidelines which is usually met by in-depth critical reviews of the book by reputable sources. If you look at An Ember in the Ashes, you will see several sources, some verifying it was a bestseller such as the New York Times, others are reviews and awards. Not that you need that many but you do need at least two or three qualifying sources. S0091 (talk) 19:15, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Now read the plot summary for An Ember in the Ashes, where someone clearly copied and pasted (or paraphrased) the book jacket blurb. It's not clear that whoever wrote that plot summary has even read the book. I visited Wikipedia specifically to read about A Thief Among the Trees only to find no article. I have read the book. I have provided a concise, 1-page summary of the plot of that 144 page book. My article is about the book itself, so the book itself is the main source of information for my article. It is self-evident that the book is qualified. You can read the sources cited in An Ember in the Ashes for the same justification you just claimed you need. I mentioned Sabaa Tahir's entry on Wikipedia multiple times. Is your position that Wikipedia itself is an unreliable source? HelpfulEditorPerson (talk) 19:26, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Correct "Wikipedia itself is an unreliable source" see WP:NBOOK for the criteria. Theroadislong (talk) 19:29, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
By this logic, any reference published on Wikipedia is therefore an unreliable source, so you have given me an impossible task. In the meantime, people would like to be able to read about this book. HelpfulEditorPerson (talk) 19:32, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No; Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source, but Wikipedia contains reliable sources. Sources should be examined by readers. The article text itself may contain inaccuracies or vandalism not reflected in the provided sources. Usually, articles are reasonably accurate, but it's not guaranteed. See the general disclaimer. 331dot (talk) 19:36, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@HelpfulEditorPerson I just searched for sources but it does not appear the related graphic novels received critical coverage like the first few in the series. All the reviews I found were a brief summary, then a blurb or sentence which is not enough. S0091 (talk) 19:45, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But there might be enough for an article about A Sky Beyond the Storm, if you are interested. S0091 (talk) 19:48, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you just want to publicize the book, you should use social media or other website with less stringent requirements. Wikipedia is the last place to write about a topic, not the first. 331dot (talk) 19:39, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I wanted to read about the book at Wikipedia, but no article is available. You are being unreasonable and it smacks of racism and sexism toward a New York Times Bestselling author. I'm not trying to publicize the book. I had questions about the themes and the characters in the book and I wanted to learn more about it. You have lost your way if you don't understand that you are being ridiculous about this. HelpfulEditorPerson (talk) 19:48, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@HelpfulEditorPerson I just left you a warning. Do not launch baseless attacks on editors. Everything 331dot has stated is factual and how Wikipedia works. S0091 (talk) 19:56, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I note that no one has anything to say about the quality of the plot summary in the entry for An Ember in the Ashes. HelpfulEditorPerson (talk) 19:58, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
An Ember in the Ashes has 42 sources, your draft has none. Theroadislong (talk) 20:03, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And how do you rate the quality of the plot summary for An Ember in the Ashes? My article references An Ember in the Ashes, which has 42 sources. HelpfulEditorPerson (talk) 20:05, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The problem you're encountering here is that it doesn't matter what An Ember is like - if it's good, needs fixing, should be deleted - because your draft isn't about that book. If you think the plot summary needs to be updated, you're encouraged to do it yourself. We are looking only at your draft, and what reviewers are seeing is a lack of notability by Wikipedia standards.
What you are trying to do is to show the book is notable. You do this by finding at least three sources that match the triple criteria in WP:42, and then summarizing what they say. Have a look at WP:NBOOK also for some further pointers, and WP:RSPSS for a list of sources we consider reliable and unreliable. If you can't find sources that meet all three WP:42 criteria, it's too soon for an article and we'll have to wait until some reviews come out. I hope that gives you a better idea of why your draft has not (yet?) been accepted, and you can look for suitable sources now you know exactly what you need. StartGrammarTime (talk) 05:02, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know your race or your sex or gender, nor is the race or gender of the author relevant. I understand that you may be frustrated, but try to listen to what more experienced people are telling you. There are criteria to meet and you have not demonstrated that this book meets them. 331dot (talk) 19:58, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"It is self-evident that the book is qualified." It is very much not, it is entirely dependent on what reliable and independent sources have to say about the book. If those sources simply don't exist, then it is unlikely it will meet WP:NBOOK at all. Sophisticatedevening🍷(talk) 19:44, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

21:55, 30 April 2025 review of submission by Scarlettrosewulber3842

Why was it rejected? Scarlettrosewulber3842 (talk) 21:55, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It was declined, not rejected. Rejected has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted. The reason was left by the reviewer, your draft is completely unsourced. Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about a topic, it is a place to summarize what independent reliable sources choose on their own to say about a topic. 331dot (talk) 22:07, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't use AI to write a draft for you. CoconutOctopus talk 22:40, 30 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

May 1

10:57, 1 May 2025 review of submission by Micprymu

What to change to be approved for publishing? Sorry but I don't understand what I need to do. Thanks. Micprymu (talk) 10:57, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Micprymu: you have to show that this game is notable, although I'm pretty sure it isn't. Notability per WP:GNG requires significant coverage in multiple secondary sources that are reliable and independent. Your draft cites no such source, and in it you say that sources probably don't exist, either.
What is your relationship with this game? I've posted a conflict-of-interest query on your talk page, please read and respond to it. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:42, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

13:26, 1 May 2025 review of submission by NyandaI

Because this is my first time to make a submission of an article and I need proper guidance in editing the draft. NyandaI (talk) 13:26, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @NyandaI, and welcome to Wikipedia. I will give you some guidance, though it is probably not the guidance you thought you wanted: My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia.. ColinFine (talk) 15:00, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redundant work. Article stays since months at Timoth Moses Mayala. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fernklang (talk • contribs)

14:30, 1 May 2025 review of submission by Jpp2621

I need help establishing secondary sources for this article Jpp2621 (talk) 14:30, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jpp2621 we can't help you find sources. That is something you should do before creating a draft as it should summarize what secondary sources say about the school. Please see Your first article and WP:BACKWARD. I can tell you that elementary schools rarely meet the notability criteria unless it has historical significance such the building being listed at National Register of Historic Places. Also, the draft is written like it's the school's website, serving to promote it, rather than a neutral encyclopedia article. S0091 (talk) 14:48, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

15:56, 1 May 2025 review of submission by Alex114721

I am requesting assistance, or a rereview of the article I have written about Bar Pizza. I added more sources after being declined the first time. I'd like to point out the Beach Pizza article that is posted, that is another style of pizza that is popular where I am from. I followed similar resources to what that page has, while also providing more information about the topic of Bar Pizza. I hope someone will be able to point me in the right direction of getting to the point of approval. Alex114721 (talk) 15:56, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you want another review, just resubmit the draft, but you shouldn't do so withhout changes to address prior reviews. The "where to find" section should be removed, the article shouldn't advertise the pizza. The statement about blue collar workers is unsourced. It's not the pizza that was put in a hall of fame, but a producer of the pizza. 331dot (talk) 16:08, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

17:24, 1 May 2025 review of submission by FLYX SOAR

I reviewed the five pillars and am unsure why this biography is contrary to the purpose of Wikipedia FLYX SOAR (talk) 17:24, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because it reads like his personal website. 331dot (talk) 17:58, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

17:54, 1 May 2025 review of submission by 154.192.213.225

Sir, Hope you rejected on Notability Bases. Byt if Don't mind , could please explain how can i improve it ,i am ready to add more third oart , reliable, independent citations to the draft:vensh sayani. 154.192.213.225 (talk) 17:54, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's nothing you can do as it rejected and has been deleted numerous times previously, often because of socks and block evasion which includes editing as an IP. S0091 (talk) 18:00, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

18:02, 1 May 2025 review of submission by FLYX SOAR

I'd like to have this re-reviewed...how can I re-submit? FLYX SOAR (talk) 18:02, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@FLYX SOAR it's been reviewed three different times by three different reviewers and is rejected, meaning it will no longer be considered you so cannot resubmit it. However, if you want yet another review, I agree with the reject and would have done the same. There is nothing that suggests this person can meet the notability criteria. S0091 (talk) 18:08, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please note that I have rejected Draft:Jim Segrave: CEO of flyExclusive on the same grounds. Please do not create duplicate submissions. Gaming the system is severely frowned upon. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 18:18, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And I have just redirected Draft:CEO Jim Segrave to the first draft. Creating and submitting a third draft when two drafts have been rejected is disruptive. --bonadea contributions talk 19:20, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

18:22, 1 May 2025 review of submission by FLYX SOAR

Why would this page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenny_Dichter) be approved and this draft not be? Please give me a list of actionable items I can accomplish to get this published. FLYX SOAR (talk) 18:22, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The draft has been rejected under two different titles. It really is the end of the line. --bonadea contributions talk 18:46, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That an article exists does not mean it was "approved" by anyone. This process has not always existed, and is not required of all users. 331dot (talk) 23:11, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@FLYX SOAR: Kenny Dichter was never drafted. (While there are moves to/from draftspace in the page history, those moves don't appear to be intentional.) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 06:03, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@FLYX SOAR: And while we're at it, I'm going to go over your sources list. Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:
There's practically nothing here to work with. This is fatal to the draft. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 06:29, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

18:52, 1 May 2025 review of submission by Sophia Enoch

Dear reviewer,

I'm seeking a second opinion regarding the Draft: Miracle Godsent Nwachukwu

Miracle Godsent Nwachukwu is the only young under 30 Nigerian interior designer, that has been awarded by the interventional property awards for best private residence in Lagos state Nigeria. This is asides other notable awards he has received too.

The current draft includes multiple independent, reliable secondary sources that provide significant coverage:

- More than 2 published editorial interview with business world News paper, Business day news paper and other Blogs inclusively- The first two mentioned interviews where done in a verified telecommunication companies in Nigeria and widely recognized by both local and international bodies.

These are cited inline and meet the standard for notability under WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. However, recent reviews have dismissed them, and it is difficult to point out what exactly is the issue with the draft.

I want to respectfully point out that corrections should be more specific(if possible outlines and calling attention to specific places where adjustments needs to be carried out, so that editing would be seamlessly done accordingly.

Working professionals like Miracle Godsent Nwachukwu, who have built legitimate, ongoing careers, deserve accurate, well-cited pages—because when someone Googles them (interior designer), a Wikipedia article is often the first result. It’s not about hype—it’s about clarity, presence, and record.

I’d appreciate any guidance or re-review by an experienced editor. Thank you sincerely for your time and expertise.

Sophia Enoch (talk) 18:52, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please do not use AI to communicate. The majority of your sources are not independent of the subject, and the rest are only trivial mentions (not significant coverage). Articles need to be supported by reliable, independent and secondary sources to prove they a notable as Wikipedia defines it. Right now you draft does not demonstrate that, and has been declined for you to continue working on it. Sophisticatedevening🍷(talk) 18:58, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sophia Enoch also read WP:Yes, it is promotion. A bit harsh but the "Promotion is promotion no matter what you call it" is true from a Wikipedia perspective. S0091 (talk) 19:06, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much.
I accept your feedback wholeheartedly, can you please tell me the things to remove so it won’t look like this is a promotion, because that’s not what the aim is supposed to be. Please advise on our I can fix this.
Thank you in anticipation. 102.88.110.64 (talk) 19:33, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much.
There are no AI generated text here, all text was written by me.
secondly I would appreciate if you take a closer look at the sources because they a very much independent and very notable. Interviews are not trivial mentions, awards on the international property awards are not trivial mentions, this and more are not trivial mentions.
Again kindly check before responding. It would help a great deal.
Thank you for your patience and understanding . 102.88.110.64 (talk) 19:24, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Interviews are the person speaking about themselves, and as such are not an independent source. 331dot (talk) 23:12, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It looks to me that you copied from someone else's post here and adjusted who it was talking about; it was not all written by you. jlwoodwa (talk) 03:40, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yup, they forgot to change WP:NACTOR from the question they copied-and-pasted from elsewhere. Ah, the dangers of trying to Mad Libs a comment! CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 22:09, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

May 2

05:06, 2 May 2025 review of submission by Kendallmay

Necesito ayuda con mi borrador, debido a que me está dando error a pesar de que puse fuentes confiables, me sigue dando error. Kendallmay (talk) 05:06, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Users here cannot help with drafts not on the English-language Wikipedia. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 06:00, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

06:33, 2 May 2025 review of submission by Shrabaniexp

Hello, our draft [1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Experience.com) was recently declined due to lack of notability. We want to improve it and need help identifying whether our current sources are sufficient or if we need better ones. Could an experienced editor please guide us on what to fix? Thank you! Shrabaniexp (talk) 06:33, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Who is "we" user accounts are strictly single person use, the draft is just advertising what your company does. Theroadislong (talk) 06:48, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

08:14, 2 May 2025 review of submission by Abhia4321

your advice and creating Abhia4321 (talk) 08:14, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your draft was rejected – it won't be considered again. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 08:27, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

10:45, 2 May 2025 review of submission by Gopaaldhussa

Internet is not having much information about the Punjabi clans especially Dhussa & Gaind. I searched wikipedia about that but I couldn't find much information. I have shared what best I could get. Which other type of citation is required please let me know so that I can research and share about it. Gopaaldhussa (talk) 10:45, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gopaaldhussa: your draft cites two sources, neither of which is acceptable. If the content of this draft isn't coming from reliable sources, where is it coming from?
Source do not need to be online, but they do need to be reliable and independent, as well as published (no oral histories etc.). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:48, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

11:20, 2 May 2025 review of submission by DavidKelly97

Why was i rejected? DavidKelly97 (talk) 11:20, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DavidKelly97, Because there is no indication of notability or being a notable athlete. If you were to find multiple Independent reliable sources, it would be accepted. CF-501 Falcon (talk · contribs) 11:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

14:27, 2 May 2025 review of submission by 2600:4040:7C5B:FC00:CCBD:2876:145F:9F5D

Hello. Thank you for reviewing this submission. This is the first time I've done this before and am looking for any assistance understanding why the submission was denied. I'm happy to make necessary edits, however looking for any guidance to fulfill Wikipedia's policies. Thank you! 2600:4040:7C5B:FC00:CCBD:2876:145F:9F5D (talk) 14:27, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, the reviewer left you the reason at the top of the draft. I might also suggest that you see Referencing for beginners, as well as the biographies of living persons policy. In short, every substantive piece of information about a living person needs a source. 331dot (talk) 14:34, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your draft has only primary sources, which do not establish notability. Per the general notability guideline WP:GNG, we need to see multiple secondary sources which are reliable and independent, and which provide significant coverage of the subject.
You also must cite your sources inline next to the information they support, not merely list them at the end. See WP:REFB for advice. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:34, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you DavidKelly97. Forgive the question, but the independent links I provided showing professional status, Team USA status, and college success do not warrant notable athlete? Again, please forgive the question I am just trying to make sure I provide the right information. Thank you. 2600:4040:7C5B:FC00:CCBD:2876:145F:9F5D (talk) 18:11, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I've moved your comment here as you wrote in the wrong area in response to a different person talking about a different article.
These things you list do not automatically make an athlete notable. Please consult WP:NSPORT for notability requirements specific to athletes. What little additional information you provide about Makos is generally poorly sourced. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 22:06, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

15:08, 2 May 2025 review of submission by TheBoatyMcBoatFace

I have been going back and fourth on this article for months. When I included more sources, I was asked to remove them. - DKAN is a [Digital Public Good](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_public_goods), as [endorsed by the United Nations](https://www.digitalpublicgoods.net/who-we-are#:~:text=a%20multi%2Dstakeholder%20UN%2Dendorsed%20initiative). Source: https://www.digitalpublicgoods.net/r/dkan - The official list of hospital quality rankings, among much other data, is on DKAN. https://data.cms.gov/provider-data/ - Singapore Open Data is on DKAN: https://www.undp.org/policy-centre/singapore/dkan - USDA Ag digital commons uses DKAN https://agdatacommons.nal.usda.gov/ - Oak Ridge National Laboratory is using DKAN: https://www.thedroptimes.com/40093/civicactions-partners-with-oak-ridge-national-laboratory-dkan-open-data-project I've been told to add more content, then remove that content, and now that the subject isn't notable, even though incredibly important data is made available via this platform. What is the next step for this? TheBoatyMcBoatFace (talk) 15:08, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TheBoatyMcBoatFace: Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:
Nothing you cite is any good. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:21, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Blurt Nickelodeon film

I would like assistance on improving the Draft:Blurt!, it's a Nickelodeon film from 2018. I got the IMDb sources off. I rather try to finish what I started rather than letting the draft expire. Technically, I don't think there is a time limit though. I done drafts before, one time it was WP:Too soon, eventually it was necessary enough. Cwater1 (talk) 15:12, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Drafts stay active as long as they are edited at least once every six months. We don't really get into co-editing here; you might try the Wikipedia:WikiProject Film. 331dot (talk) 18:53, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, understood. Thank you. Cwater1 (talk) 22:53, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

15:21, 2 May 2025 review of submission by 2607:F2C0:E589:E4C0:7934:B453:DACB:A82B

I'm not sure why I am getting rejected. I was wondering if I could get a bit of help. Any kinds of suggestions or tips would be greatly appreciated. 2607:F2C0:E589:E4C0:7934:B453:DACB:A82B (talk) 15:21, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As you say, this draft has now been rejected, not merely declined, which means the end of the road. There is insufficient evidence of notability, and not only that, there isn't even any real claim of noteworthiness; this draft just describes what seems like quite a run of the mill business. Wikipedia is not a business directory where mere existence would justify inclusion, there needs to be something about a business that clearly distinguishes it from its peers. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 16:02, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:
You have nothing that we can use here. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:07, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

17:19, 2 May 2025 review of submission by Arch2spade

could you advise on how to get approved, and what is exactly missing from the article best regards,

Arch2spade (talk) 17:19, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This article has been rejected and won't be able to be resubmitted. Please read WP:AUTO and WP:BIO before trying to write any more articles. CoconutOctopus talk 17:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

19:22, 2 May 2025 review of submission by Mytroshyn

I'm not native speaker and do not understand some parts, like comment: Too much jargon, such as "populate the placement spots with content", and many other examples. Please write in plain English. Exactly this part is taken from a science article: https://jossams.smiu.edu.pk/index.php/JOSSAMS/article/view/27/21

Also, it is written that the article should be written in a neutral point of view, I do not write things like from my point of view, or similar. al text was written in such a style, if you find something, could you point out these parts

About sources, I have different varieties from blogs to science articles (around 5), How many should there be?

About essay format, I provide a lot of history that it facts, and some comparisons, that is taken from other resources, not my mind Could you help me to understand how to fix it? Mytroshyn (talk) 19:22, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We already have an article on this topic here Product placement. Theroadislong (talk) 21:29, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Virtual product placement, is similar but different. if you know programming language it is kind of like difference between c and c++ Mytroshyn (talk) 10:22, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you copied that sentence directly from the source. In fact, you copied an entire paragraph from that journal article and used that as the opening to the article. Since it's been nominated for speedy deletion due to copyright infringement, it seems that these were not the only copyright infringements. This is absolutely unacceptable.
While many contributors to English Wikipedia are not native speakers of English, including some highly respected administrators, creating an article in English from technical sources requires some fluency in the language. If you still want to contribute to English Wikipedia, I would suggest you do smaller, simpler edits, that are more suited to your level of ability. I don't mean this as an insult; I speak three other languages besides English on a conversational level, but I'm definitely not suited to create Wikipedia articles in those languages on their respective Wikipedia versions. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 21:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok I will rephrase, it is not a problem, I thought that it will be better to use such phrases or whole paragraph from article, like citation, I put link to this article.
About languages I fluent in 2, level C1 in another 2 and level A1 in another one, so no insult )
I work in this area and though it would be good addition for Wikipedia.
My English level between C1 and C2, i do not have a problem with speaking(I was speaker at 3 besides last year), reading or writing but it is not fluent in my understanding, maybe I'm wrong Mytroshyn (talk) 10:29, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@CoffeeCrumbs I make fixes and rephrasing for content, should I just resubmit it ? Mytroshyn (talk) 13:08, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You can't fix copyright violations by just changing around a handful of words within sections. And the other fundamental problems with this draft remain; the sourcing is very hit and miss and it's very essay-like. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 14:36, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@CoffeeCrumbs as I know copyright violations is avoiding if you rephrase it or change ad some parts, like patent if you have a patent for hamburger that is sound like meat product between two slice of bread, you could create a new patent that will sound from the top slice of bread, slice of chees, some meat product and slice of bread, this patent would be fine according patent lawyer. Also from report is like following:
Violation unlikely
33.8%
similarity
what other
Essay like a lot of article on Wikipedia have essay like format or even worst, with one or two links
I describe a technology in a way that people could understand, yes I make mistakes that I willing to fix, and partially fix. If I write more technical for not being like essay than it is Jargon, in other way it is essay how to write then ? Mytroshyn (talk) 15:45, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, as CoffeeCrumbs says, you can not fix copyright issues by changing some words or phrases, and neither can you fix plagiarism issues in that way. Please read WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASING. What a plagiarism checker tool says is not proof – such tools can only give you a rough estimate which is often quite incorrect. --bonadea contributions talk 16:44, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ok, lets it be deleted and no time will be wasted. I do not see any point of vasting any time for wikipedia, if wikipedia do not want article I will waste any time for it Mytroshyn (talk) 04:04, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Mytroshyn: Jargon is words or expressions that are hard or impossible to understand for people who are not specialists; such expressions are fine when you are talking to other specialists, but when you communicate with other people you need to adapt your language. (A surgeon might talk about pulmonary atresia during a surgery, but when she meets the patient's family she might say "the heart couldn't pump the blood out to the body".) The draft consists of jargon to a large extent. That is not odd since it was copied from various sources written for specialists. When you write for Wikipedia, you have to write for a general audience (and can't copy from sources, because that is a copyright violation as well as plagiarism). --bonadea contributions talk 09:56, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
ok I see, looks like I work in this area a lot a some Jargons I do not see. Mytroshyn (talk) 10:30, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

21:05, 2 May 2025 review of submission by DR LION SAI VENKAT

I have submitted several times but always rejecting can i know the perfect reason or please help me summation DR LION SAI VENKAT (talk) 21:05, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please abandon this effort. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell about themselves. Please read the autobiography policy. Our articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the subject. The draft was rejected, and will not be considered further. 331dot (talk) 21:25, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
☒N Deleted G11. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 06:27, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @DR LION SAI VENKAT. One of the things that make it so difficult to write a Wikipedia article about yourself is that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 17:11, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]


May 3

00:02, 3 May 2025 review of submission by 201.141.123.32

Alvaro Dias Huizar (Q71312229)Wikidata 201.141.123.32 (talk) 00:02, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Did you have a question, IP editor? StartGrammarTime (talk) 03:54, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. This chess player does indeed have a Wikidata entry, but Wikidata's notability rules are much looser than the same rules on English Wikipedia. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 04:06, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

00:15, 3 May 2025 review of submission by MissLizy1223

Hello! I submitted this draft months ago and wanted to see whether there was anything I could do to expedite its review. Thank you so much for your help. MissLizy1223 (talk) 00:15, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @MissLizy1223, we have a long wait for reviews at the moment as you'll see in the big yellow box on top of your draft. You are welcome to work on it while you wait, as great drafts get approved quickly (and poor ones usually get declined quickly). My suggestion to you would be to read through WP:BLP and WP:CREATIVE so you know what you need to do to show Glanz is notable by Wikipedia standards, and then WP:42 so you can assess your sources against the triple criteria there. Only sources which meet all three criteria can show notability, and you want at least three of them.
Fewer good-quality sources is always better than lots of poor-quality sources, so consider going through your draft and removing or replacing any poor-quality sources. Keep in mind however that a biography of a living person needs to have every single fact supported by a source - one source per fact is usually plenty, so you could consider removing some sources when you have multiple supporting a single sentence. Happy editing! StartGrammarTime (talk) 04:06, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

01:57, 3 May 2025 review of submission by Rozziv

Hi! I’ve submitted an article titled User:Rozziv/Jamal DNB and would greatly appreciate a review when someone has a moment. It’s fully referenced with independent sources and written in a neutral tone. Thanks in advance for your help! Rozziv (talk) 01:57, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

 Courtesy link: Draft:Jamal DNB - I've moved this to draftspace; it was on your userpage, which is not a suitable place for a draft.
We currently have a long wait for review, as it says on top of your draft in that big yellow box. Making the draft the best it can be increases the chances that someone will come along and approve it quickly. You're welcome to continue working on it while you wait! StartGrammarTime (talk) 04:01, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Rozziv no Declined and in need of substantial work. Please check before doing that work that the subject passes WP:NMUSICIAN. If they do not pass then there is no value in doing any further work 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 06:31, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Rozziv Using a Large Language Model does not create an acceptable article. no Declined for other reasons, but please use your own words. AI can hallucinate, and often generates garbage. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 06:39, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

07:14, 3 May 2025 review of submission by HedyVolf

I do not understand the submission declined. It follosw all of Wikipedia’s requirements for notability, neutrality, structure, and verifiability. I’ll integrate global historical precedents, theoretical analysis, exhibitions, and contemporary figures. All references are be formatted using proper citation templates and include external links for visual documentation. This is my first article, I followed Notes on Wikipedia Eligibility 1. Notability: The article draws on multiple reliable and secondary sources, including museum websites (Philbrook Museum, MoMA), peer-reviewed journals, and recognized photography institutions. 2. Verifiability: Inline citations and external links provide verifiable references. 3. Neutrality: The text describes bare photography historically, theoretically, and with contemporary examples, avoiding promotional language or undue bias. 4. Reliability of Sources: The references include academic publishers (e.g., Routledge, Palgrave Macmillan, Oxford), reputable arts organizations, and established media outlets.

Could you please help me how to make it better and right? Thank you soooo much!!!!!!!! HedyVolf (talk) 07:14, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You don't appear to have submitted it for review? You seem to have cresated the draft with a decline already in place? Theroadislong (talk) 07:24, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have added the correct submit template for you. Theroadislong (talk) 07:28, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much, I am total newbie :( I appreciate your help! HedyVolf (talk) 08:43, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@HedyVolf: did you use an LLM to create your draft? If so, could you please tell us which one? Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 07:33, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I use only GPT o1-pro to help with formatting ("coding", how to use external links in text,...) and sticking with wiki rules. To not make a mistake. And scisite for more sorces. Text is mine, llm just did thediting formatting/editor job. HedyVolf (talk) 08:46, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. The 'coding' was exactly why I asked. Your first edit had code that I've not seen before. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:51, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@HedyVolf Please do not create requests here using a LLM. We wish to speak to you, not to it. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 08:45, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Using AI to format sources is a BIG mistake, I picked four of your sources at random and none of them work, they are dead links. Theroadislong (talk) 08:51, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
weird, I checked them all. Ok! Newbie idiot, I will improve. Thanks for your time!!! HedyVolf (talk) 09:15, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
could you be so kind and tell me which are not right? I checked them and everything is ok. So maybe mistake in == External links == section directly below your == References == heading by matching the or something like that? HedyVolf (talk) 09:22, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These to start with...

Theroadislong (talk) 09:34, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! This is really old article, I should hade check the links again, I found alternative for every one of them. Thanks! HedyVolf (talk) 10:08, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

08:55, 3 May 2025 review of submission by Chaudhary Akhtar Abbas

HELLO FRIENDS,

WE COMPLETED DRAFT WITH PICTURE LAST MONTH , WE ISSUE UNDERTAKE THAT PICTURE WAS TAKEN BY OUR OWN PHOTOGHARAPHAR AND ARTICLES WORDING IS TURE AND CORRECT , WE SUBMIITED FOR REVIEW TWICE , WE UNABLE TO UNDERSTAND FOR REJECTION OF MY PAGE. NOW WE ARE REQUESTING FOR HELP DESK FOR THE GUIDE LINE , WHAT WE DO TO FOR UPLOADING ON WIKIPEDIA/ REGARDS Chaudhary Akhtar Abbas (talk) 08:55, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chaudhary Akhtar Abbas: please don't SHOUT, it's unpleasant.
 Courtesy link: User:Chaudhary Akhtar Abbas/sandbox
Your draft was declined (not 'rejected') because it is completely unreferenced, with no evidence of notability, as it states in the decline notice.
Please also note that autobiographies are very strongly discouraged, see WP:AUTOBIO. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:59, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Chaudhary Akhtar Abbas (ec) Please don't yell at us(use all capital letters). You didn't properly link to your draft, it is located at User:Chaudhary Akhtar Abbas/sandbox. It is essentially your resume; a Wikipedia article about you needs to summarize what independent reliable sources have chosen on their own to say about you.
It is inadvisable- though not totally forbidden- for people to write about themselves, please read the autobiography policy. Only a single person should have exclusive access to your account, you may not share access. 331dot (talk) 09:00, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

12:33, 3 May 2025 review of submission by Sij08

Hello. My draft article about Mahmoud Valanejad was declined due to a lack of sufficient references. Could you please clarify what kind of sources are exactly required, and whether you can provide examples of acceptable ones? Also, would foreign sources that provide analysis or detailed reports about his works be sufficient? Please note that Mr. Mahmoud Valanejad generally does not give interviews and avoids direct media presence. Thank you for your guidance.

Sij08 (talk) 12:33, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Courtesy link Draft:Mahmoud Valanejad Interviews are not reliable independent sources so wouldn't help here. Theroadislong (talk) 12:40, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Sij08: We're looking for in-depth, non-routine, independent-of-Valanejad news/scholarly sources that discuss them at length, are written by identifiable authors, and are subject to fact-checking and other forms of editorial oversight. Interviews fail the "independent-of-Valanejad" prong and wouldn't be acceptable, though what is more damning for the draft's chances is theavoids direct media presence bit. That implies that there's pretty much no sources available to base an article off of, and that an article would be counter-productive here as he clearly wants to maintain his privacy. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 15:43, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

12:40, 3 May 2025 review of submission by 82.8.141.222

Whitgift School 82.8.141.222 (talk) 12:40, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This draft was already rejected and will not be published. I would have nominated it as a hoax along with a couple of your other drafts with content you made up (although your latest appears to actually be real), but I really needed to go to bed ad the time and forgot about it in the morning. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 14:47, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

13:19, 3 May 2025 review of submission by ModalNode

Hello. This submission has been declined with the comment "the sources don't mention Optigram or are only passing mentions". I just double checked and there was only one source that didn't mention either Optigram or his real name Manuel Sepulveda. This occurs in the paragraph about his work before adopting the name Optigram and I added that source only to corroborate the statement about the Grime albums bringing dubstep to a wider audience, but I have added a source to confirm that he was the album's designer as well.

I did carefully read the notability guidelines and as he has been featured several times by independent writers on prominent sites I thought that showed significant coverage. I was wondering if the issue might be that most of those writers interviewed him for their articles? I noticed in the talk section for the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Common_sourcing_mistakes_(notability) that someone has asked "shouldn't the fact that reputable media outlets choose to interview a person (in depth, about themselves, as opposed to on a topic they are an expert in) be evidence of their notability?" but there wasn't a reply so I'm not sure what the consensus is about that.

As for some of the sources being passing mentions it's true that a few of them are just passing, but I thought they were useful just to confirm a fact stated in the Wikipedia entry even if the online source doesn't expand on the topic in question. Should those kinds of corroborations not be included in articles? If not, is it better to simply remove those aspects of the Wikipedia article?

Thanks for any advice you can offer. ModalNode (talk) 13:19, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The comment was "some of the sources don't mention Optigram or are only passing mentions" (emphasis added). It doesn't say that none of them contain in-depth material about him.
But the purpose of a citation is to provide verification of a statement about the subject, so if a source does not mention the subject, it is rarely of any value as a source, and should usually be removed. If a source contains a passing mention of the subject, it may possibly provide verification for an uncontroversial factual statement in the article (and should be removed if it doesn't), but it cannot contribute to establishing that the subject is notable. ColinFine (talk) 17:25, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I hadn't intended to suggest that the comment was saying that none of the sources mention Optigram, I thoughtlessly omitted the word some from the comment. I only meant to say that I had checked and only found one that didn't. I have removed that citation from the article and simplified the sentence so as not to require it.
As for your comments about citations sometimes being useful for verification, yes that's what I thought too, so it's good to have that clarified. None of those passing mentions were meant to establish notability, they were only to verify the facts in the article. There are plenty of other citations within the article which do establish notability, in my opinion. Do you feel that's still disputable? ModalNode (talk) 19:32, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are currently 23 references in the draft. I have checked a sample of six of them. None of those six was significant coverage in an independent source; they included sites associated with "Optigram" in one way or another (e.g. a business exhibiting his work), interviews with him, etc. Can you list three references which contain substantial coverage in independent reliable sources? If you can, that will be useful evidence of notability. JBW (talk) 10:48, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Two of the most substantial features on his work do still incorporate interview quotes from him. I guess that's inevitable when the subject is alive. They are a 4-page printed feature in the German magazine, Groove (reference number 2 on the Optigram page); and a feature in Resident Advisor which includes a lot of commentary on his work (reference number 3). Reference number 21 from HardFormat only includes commentary and does not include any interview content, but it is a shorter feature.
Reference number 9 is a published book by the Design Museum to coincide with their exhibition, but there is no online version of the book https://designmuseumshop.com/products/electronic-from-kraftwerk-to-the-chemical-brothers-exhibition-catalogue. I would imagine that you'd have to pass a pretty high bar to have your work featured in a major institution such as London’s Design Museum and I felt that in itself would show notability.
When I first started considering writing a Wikipedia article for Optigram I did actually look at three existing entries about other designers whose work was shown in the same exhibition, and used the kinds of references that were used in those entries as a guide to what was acceptable. They were all references that either included interview content; were by institutions displaying their work; or were brief mentions that simply verified a fact. So I'm not sure I understand why those kinds of references aren't acceptable in this instance. ModalNode (talk) 12:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Just for your reference, this is the exhibition in question on the main Design Museum site: https://designmuseum.org/whats-on/talks-courses-and-workshops/electronic-from-kraftwerk-to-the-chemical-brothers-multisensory-tour ModalNode (talk) 12:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry wrong link, I meant this one: https://designmuseum.org/exhibitions/electronic-from-kraftwerk-to-the-chemical-brothers ModalNode (talk) 12:57, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello,again, @ModalNode. Wikipedia has thousands and thousands of articles which would not be accepted if they were submitted for review today - usually, created long ago before our standards had developed to where they are today. In an ideal world, people would go through these improving or deleting them, but that is not something that many volunteer editors want to spend time doing. If you want to mention a couple of those articles that you looked at, maybe somebody will look at them.
In the meantime, I suggest using only good articles or featured articles as models.
See other stuff exists. ColinFine (talk) 09:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, that's interesting to know, and the Other Stuff Exists page makes some good points!
At the Design Museum exhibition there was a long wall that featured work by three designers: Optigram, The Designers Republic, and Tomato (design collective) and nearby there was a piece of product design by Yuri Suzuki (designer). These are the three articles I used as a guide. Having now understood the criteria for an acceptable reference I don't think any of the references in those three articles qualify as "independent" by Wikipedia's definition of the word. That being said, I don't think there can be any question that those three designers/design collectives are notable (The Designers Republic in particular have been extremely influential) so I don't think the articles should be deleted. But I'm not sure how many, if any, independent sources actually exist in order for their references to be improved. The Designers Republic have two substantial publications devoted to them but in both instances they put the whole thing together themselves.
I think all this does show that notability does invite publications and platforms to approach those kinds of designers for interviews for their features. There were actually several other interviews with Optigram which I didn't use because the ones I used seemed more than enough, ha.
Looking at the Good Articles page it was disappointing to note that there aren't any designers listed (graphic or otherwise). It's a shame that the Wikipedia:WikiProject Graphic design group which was set up to enhance the presence and understanding of graphic design subjects on Wikipedia seems to be inactive. It would have been interesting to hear their perspective.
There was one other artist/designer featured near to the Optigram display in the Design Museum: Abdul Qadim Haqq. His Wikipedia article seems to have some major issues as a lot of it just reads like a press release. I did actually consider rewriting it as he is someone whose work I love and he is definitely important, but I was worried about getting into an edit war with the original authors. ModalNode (talk) 11:52, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

20:57, 3 May 2025 review of submission by Iindmusician

How to improve this article Iindmusician (talk) 20:57, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Iindmusician, this is probably something you should have asked before resubmitting your draft 10 times. There is a lot of good advice that has been ignored, again, up to 10 times, that is already stated in the draft. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 22:25, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
fandom, Spotify, Apple music, IMDb, discogs, and Genius.com are NOT reliable independent sources, that leaves you with nothing to base an article on, time to WP:DROPTHESTICK. Theroadislong (talk) 09:17, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

May 4

01:45, 4 May 2025 review of submission by Rennis970

I want to know if anything else is ok, in order to re submmit the post, Rennis970 (talk) 01:45, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The draft has been accepted. 331dot (talk) 09:11, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

03:48, 4 May 2025 review of submission by Laser5918

For this entry, I believe that point 3 of WP:NACADEMIC is met via my election to the AAAS. Can you please revisit my submission? Laser5918 (talk) 03:48, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's inadvisable- thought not absolutely forbidden- for you to write about yourself at all- but if you intend to proceed, the main issue is that the sources you have provided do not seem to be reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 09:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Laser5918 However, it does seem that you pass the point you mention. I agree with @331dot on the references, but I believe this draft is acceptable if tagged tor the correct improvements. This I have Accepted the draft and am in process of flagging inadequacies 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 11:21, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

11:59, 4 May 2025 review of submission by Bhushanpkg

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

How I can improve my artcke draft?

Bhushanpkg (talk) 11:59, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

12:02, 4 May 2025 review of submission by Bhushanpkg

How i can improve the article draft so that it will published.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Kirtiraj_Gaikwad_(professor) Bhushanpkg (talk) 12:02, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Bhushanpkg: you could certainly start by cutting down that very long list of publications considerably. Wikipedia is not meant to be a comprehensive catalogue of someone's entire output. If you feel the need to mention any publications, focus on a small number of the most noteworthy ones only.
Other than that, you need to show how this person meets the WP:NPROF notability guideline for academics. Anything else is arguably superfluous at this stage.
I have posted a conflict-of-interest (COI) query on your talk page, please read and respond to it. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:41, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Bhushanpkg. A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, and very little else. Almost nothing that the subject or their associates have said is relevant. ColinFine (talk) 17:09, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

12:28, 4 May 2025 review of submission by OffxLethal

Can you please give me more details on how to improve it? OffxLethal (talk) 12:28, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@OffxLethal: this draft has been rejected and will not be considered further. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 12:32, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@OffxLethal, see my reply to the previous section, #12:02, 4 May 2025 review of submission by Bhushanpkg. Also note that writing about yourself is very strongly discouraged, and very very few people who try it manage to get their drafts accepted. ColinFine (talk) 17:13, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

12:55, 4 May 2025 review of submission by Ajlr555

Why are relevant albums the only articles that should be made on the site when there are other albums of less relevance on the site that are accepted? Ajlr555 (talk) 12:55, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are a lot of older articles on the project that pre-date the current community standards for notability; if submitted today many would not be accepted. CoconutOctopus talk 13:33, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are nearly seven million articles on Wikipedia. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid justification for publishing an article. Allowing low-quality articles because other low-quality articles exist only degrades the quality of Wikipedia. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 21:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

14:03, 4 May 2025 review of submission by Lsb997

Hi, what can I do to improve this article? Other articles submitted by myself in past have used identical sources and been approved, what is different with this article and what can be done to improve it? Lsb997 (talk) 14:03, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Lsb997: rugby players must satisfy the general notability guideline WP:GNG, which requires significant coverage in multiple secondary sources that are reliable and independent. This draft cites mostly primary sources, passing mentions, or routine match reporting. This source probably comes closest to meeting the GNG standard, but it alone isn't enough; we typically require three. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 14:27, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

21:54, 4 May 2025 review of submission by Jennie.Gonzo.33

I’m not sure why it says submission deleted. This is my first article and trying to do this correctly Jennie.Gonzo.33 (talk) 21:54, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You tried to submit the draft for review, but ended up not doing it correctly and declining it yourself at the same time. AlphaBetaGamma (Talk/report any mistakes here) 22:00, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

22:56, 4 May 2025 review of submission by Eck28

Why was this declined? Eck28 (talk) 22:56, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And how can I make it so that it cannot be Eck28 (talk) 22:57, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not copying and pasting Chat GPT-written text would be a good place to start. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 23:33, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

May 5

09:08, 5 May 2025 review of submission by GaganJai

I have quoted various sources of national newspapers. Mafatlal is more than 100 Year old company and article is not a promotional article. It has direct simple information about a listed entity. I have shared various videos including TedX talks and national newspapaer links, All of them were news and not Press Releases. Why it is getting rejected? GaganJai (talk) 09:08, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As an ex-employee you first need to properly disclose your conflict of interest. Theroadislong (talk) 09:11, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The draft was declined, not rejected. Rejected has a specific meaning in the draft process, that a draft may not be resubmitted. Declined means that it may be resubmitted.
There needs to be more than "direct simple information". A Wikipedia article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company and what makes it a notable company. Basic information is not indepth coverage.
A good chunk of the article is about the founder of the company, not the company itself. This should be removed to focus on the company. 331dot (talk) 09:15, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

10:48, 5 May 2025 review of submission by Csburdick

Hi all, my draft is being declined because it's not "adequately supported by reliable sources". However, I've provided citations from several reliable sources like Good Housekeeping, AskMen, Esquire, Men's Health, NBC News, a TV show, and others.

I'm just not sure what else to do; what am I missing?

If I look at similar pages (like "Remington (personal care brand)" for example, they have none of this.

Thank you for your help. Csburdick (talk) 10:48, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Csburdick Please disclose your connection with the company per WP:PAID and WP:COI; you claim to have personally created and personally own the copyright to the company logo.
Your draft actually says very little about the company; it mostly describes its product offerings and where its products have been mentioned. That might merit the products of the company an article, but not the company itself. For the company itself to merit an article, there must be coverage of the company itself that goes beyond basic coverage and goes into detail about what makes the company important/significant/influential, or in Wikipedia parlance, a notable company. 331dot (talk) 10:55, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would add that, if you are a company employee, it is very unwise from a legal standpoint for the company to permit an employee to own the copyright to its logo. 331dot (talk) 10:58, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the detailed reply. Yes I work as a consultant for the company but I'm unsure how to disclose that. I tried to keep all of the wording neutral and factual, following some other published Wikipedia articles for reference. I will work on expanding that as you suggested.
In regards to the logo, I definitely have not created it and do not own it. I'm not sure where I claimed that or how I can unclaim it as mine. It's just the logo from their website.
Thank you! Csburdick (talk) 13:13, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Csburdick I will provide you with more specific instructions regarding disclosure on your user talk page. Regarding the logo, my advice would be to request its deletion from Commons; logos are generally uploaded to this Wikipedia directly under "fair use" rules, not to Commons which only hosts images that may be used by anyone for any purpose with attribution(which is typically unwise for a company to do with its logo). Fair use images do have restrictions, such as being unable to be used in drafts, but it does allow limited use in articles.
Images are not relevant to the draft process, which only considers the text and sources; images are an enhancement, not a requirement. Images can wait until the draft is accepted. 331dot (talk) 13:21, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
and please don't add spam links to the company blog as you did here [2] it is likely to lead to a block. Theroadislong (talk) 13:32, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Csburdick. A Wikipedia article about Freebird should be a neutral summary of what people wholly unconnected with Freebird have chosen to publish about the company in reliable publications. and little else. Wikipedia has little interest in what the company or its employees and associates say or want to say.
At present you have not one source that meets those requirements. Unless you can find several such (and they give more than routine information about the company) then no article will be possible.
My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. (I am aware your account has been around for many years, but with only 19 edits you still count as a new editor). ColinFine (talk) 12:21, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

12:29, 5 May 2025 review of submission by 12.216.118.218

I was very much looking forward to publishing this page due to the significance of this specific game on roblox. But it isn't the main reason however.

My (and some IRL friend's) page was rejected on the 25th of April of this year unfortunately, but I want this to be published due to the legacy this game had on roblox, and to their suceeding community. It's a very well known game to deserve an article on wikipedia, but the soruces come from me the first party, and the country collectors fandom. 12.216.118.218 (talk) 12:29, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm afraid this draft has been rejected and won't be considered for inclusion. Wikipedia has very strict guidelines on what is notable enough for an article, and this game doesn't meet it. You may have more luck at a Fandom wiki? CoconutOctopus talk 12:44, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

12:40, 5 May 2025 review of submission by MunjoLohiPeeyeth

After reviewing the notability guidelines, I have added more information regarding "significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources". How can I re-submit the draft without it being potentially deleted? MunjoLohiPeeyeth (talk) 12:40, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@MunjoLohiPeeyeth: there's a blue 'resubmit' button in the corner of the decline notice (the large pink box), click on that. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:21, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

14:09, 5 May 2025 review of submission by Nidarao

I am seeking assistance to ensure that the article meets Wikipedia’s notability guidelines, formatting standards, and citation requirements. I want to confirm that the subject is suitable for inclusion and that the content is neutrally written, well-sourced, and properly structured according to Wikipedia’s policies. Guidance from experienced editors would be greatly appreciated. Regards, Nida Rao Nidarao (talk) 14:09, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nidarao This person doesn't merit an article as a politician unless they had won their election, so they would need to meet the broader notable person definition. 331dot (talk) 14:25, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

14:55, 5 May 2025 review of submission by AndreaLivnat

Hi, I don't know how improve the sources here. That seems to be the reasons why its declined? The main source is actually an article published in an academic yearbook (I am the author myself). The article is based on the unpublished sources on Gersman; there are no other articles written on him (apart from orbituaries that were also declined as reliable source). So I dont know how to deal with this. Happy for any suggestions and help. THank you in advance.

AndreaLivnat (talk) 14:55, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @AndreaLivnat, unfortunately Wikipedia's articles are a summary of published work about their subjects, and so if there are few or no sources to summarize, there cannot be an article. It sounds like that's the position you're in here. StartGrammarTime (talk) 15:35, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

15:10, 5 May 2025 review of submission by SherAhmadHaqyar

Quetta Province Meezan chawak Shop Number SherAhmadHaqyar (talk) 15:10, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not clear what the article is about and IMDb is not a reliable source. Theroadislong (talk) 15:13, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The draft and this request are both non-sequiturs without context. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 15:37, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

17:56, 5 May 2025 review of submission by AhmadSMubesher

i wanted to publish this page for a personal project of mine. which is why you can see me going over various versions. i didn't know about the subjective/objective bit but I have changed it now. i chose this lad not because I am being paid but I found some articles about him and no article here. i didn't know that it will cause this issue. furthermore I have to get this right now cause he is the one that was approved for me, I would appreciate any and all help that I can get on this. i have these 5 articles that I believe fit your criteria, please tell me if it works: https://www.handelszeitung.ch/bilanz/boris-collardi-und-murat-yakin-investieren-in-fussball-app-650243 https://www.horizont.net/schweiz/nachrichten/rolle-rueckwaerts-francesco-j.-ciringione-nimmt-prestige-titel-zurueck-216893 https://www.persoenlich.com/medien/prestige-mag-night-mit-marco-rima-und-the-straits-311942 https://www.luzernerzeitung.ch/wirtschaft/magazin-prestige-nach-boersengang-ueber-250-millionen-euro-wert-ld.1197955 https://www.shn.ch/sport/fussball/2019-07-27/die-fontanas-haben-keinen-platz-mehr-beim-fcs AhmadSMubesher (talk) 17:56, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@AhmadSMubesher the only thing you need to be concerned about is addressing the paid issue as noted on your talk page. Read that message and follow the instructions. S0091 (talk) 18:00, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I did change the wording i believe you can see it as well. furthermore as explained before, this is not a paid article. hopefully they will find this and pay me but not as of yet. trying to do my best to address the issues mentioned and would appreciate it if i can be guided in this regard as this is my first self-published article. AhmadSMubesher (talk) 19:37, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"hopefully they will find this and pay me" means that you are editing with the expectation of payment, which means that you are a paid editor. 331dot (talk) 20:21, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
you must be a pretty noice reporter because taking things out of context seem like 2nd nature to you. Keep it up lad. Renegoad (talk) 21:23, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Renegoad: Drop the personal attacks. Whether or not this is a paid article is irrelevant; your intent is to use this to springboard a career as yet another mercenary editor, as per your own words above. Frankly, this draft is VERY badly sourced, and I wouldn't pay you for this poor effort.
  • https://www.persoenlich.com/medien/prestige-mag-night-mit-marco-rima-und-the-straits-311942 doesn't help for eligibility (too sparse). Name-drop, no real in-depth discussion of Ciringione.
  • https://www.luzernerzeitung.ch/wirtschaft/magazin-prestige-nach-boersengang-ueber-250-millionen-euro-wert-ld.1197955 doesn't help for eligibility (too sparse). Name-drops, no real in-depth discussion of Ciringione.
  • https://www.shn.ch/sport/fussball/2019-07-27/die-fontanas-haben-keinen-platz-mehr-beim-fcs doesn't help for eligibility (too sparse). Two sentences that merely describe what he owns; no further discussion.
  • I can't assess the Bilanz or Horizont sources (walled).
  • Ciringione was born in Basel [on March 2, 1974.] - Source?
  • [Ciringione] completed his education at the Leonhard Gymnasium. - Source?
  • He later undertook an apprenticeship in international commerce at the pharmaceutical company Sandoz. - Source?
  • In the 1990s, Ciringione founded the United Dance Academy, located in the Basel area. - Source? We also do not allow external links in the body of the text.
  • Ciringione entered the publishing industry in 2004 with the founding of Prestige Magazine... - Source?
  • Additional titles produced under his publishing ventures... - Relevance?
  • In 2021, Ciringione re-entered the publishing sector by founding Schweizer Fachmedien GmbH, which resumed production of some of the previously sold magazines. - Source?
  • He also launched Preferist, an online luxury marketplace. - Source?
  • [Ciringione] founded IMMO FAMILY AG, a real estate company based in Aesch (BL), which was later sold. - Source?
  • [Ciringione] founded Green Medi Group AG, a company producing CBD products sourced from Swiss hemp. - Source?
  • His branding and marketing agency, Brandoo, and media production company, Instinct Pictures, are also operated under his firm First Consulenza AG, established in 2021. - Source for the establishment date and creation of each of the subsidiaries?
  • In 2022, Ciringione co-founded Footbao[.] - Source?
  • The company [was] co-founded with Swiss investment banker Boris Collardi. - Source?
  • In 2018, Ciringione received an honorary award from the Young Leaders Club for his contributions to the Swiss business and media sector. - Source?
  • Ciringione resides in Basel, Switzerland. - Source?
The sources I can assess are all poor and the article as presently writ is far, far, far below our minimum standards when it comes to sourcing content about living people. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 23:54, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Horizont source is also very brief and lacks in-depth coverage. --bonadea contributions talk 07:33, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Bonadea: Are you able to read the full piece? It's behind a subscription wall. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 18:22, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@AhmadSMubesher: Could you clarify whatI have to get this right now cause he is the one that was approved for me means? I'm afraid I don't understand. --bonadea contributions talk 07:28, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

18:24, 5 May 2025 review of submission by Kaalsingh

Dear reviewer, Thank you for reviewing the draft. Could you kindly advise why the references from Moneycontrol and The Pioneer (which are independent national financial publications) were not considered sufficient for notability? If additional improvements are needed, I’m happy to make them. Kind regards, Ajay Yadav

Kaalsingh (talk) 18:24, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Because Ajay Kuma wrote them, so they are not independent! Theroadislong (talk) 18:27, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Kaalsingh. Please understand that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 12:25, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting Re-review

Dear reviewer, I have updated the draft with independent, reliable sources that provide significant coverage of Ajay Kumar Yadav's professional contributions. Kindly requesting a re-review. Kaalsingh (talk) 18:37, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No you haven't? Theroadislong (talk) 18:42, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

18:56, 5 May 2025 review of submission by Ілля Криворучко

I'm not sure that this article is suitable for Wiki. Should I delete this draft? I'll be grateful for your answer. Ілля Криворучко (talk) 18:56, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Ілля Криворучко I cannot see the subject to pass WP:BIO as presented here. He appears to be a decent journalist doing a decent job in difficult circumstances. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 19:06, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
So, I must nominate this draft for speedy deletion. Thank you for your response. Ілля Криворучко (talk) 20:32, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Request for Review – Draft: Vijay Kapoor (director)

Hello editors, I submitted Draft:Vijay Kapoor (director) over 20 days ago and would greatly appreciate a review. The article cites multiple independent, reliable sources including Arab News, Amar Ujala, Outlook India, and The Tribune. Coverage includes both his directorial work and notable projects like *Call Girl (1974)* and the Doordarshan-commissioned telefilm *Akanksha*. I’ve done my best to ensure the tone is neutral and all claims are properly cited. Thanks for your time and any feedback! FreshPaint1999 (talk) 19:07, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@FreshPaint1999 plese exhibit substantial patience 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 19:17, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much for your response. I completely understand that there is a queue and truly appreciate the time, care, and dedication you and the reviewing editors give to this process. Please take whatever time is needed — I’m grateful for your support and happy to wait patiently. FreshPaint1999 (talk) 19:29, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@FreshPaint1999 In the intervening period please familiarise yourself with WP:NFILMMAKER and seek to determine whether Kapoor passes. Submission for review does not freeze the draft. You may, and should continue to improve it. However, the notability criteria come first. If he fails the criteria then no amount of editing can conjure notability up. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 22:08, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your message and the guidance. I’ve reviewed WP:NFILMMAKER and have been working to improve the draft accordingly. I’ve added multiple independent sources with significant coverage, including retrospective features in Amar Ujala, Arab News, Outlook India, and others. I’ll continue refining the article to better reflect his notability. I appreciate your time and input. FreshPaint1999 (talk) 04:41, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

19:08, 5 May 2025 review of submission by Kaalsingh

Dear Sir , I have shared journalist coverage from prominent media national media houses . Independent coverage . What else I should share to get it published . Humble request to publish it. Kaalsingh (talk) 19:08, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Kaalsingh For a living person we have a high standard of referencing. Every substantive fact you assert, especially one that is susceptible to potential challenge, requires a citation with a reference that is about them, and is independent of them, in multiple secondary sources which are WP:RS, and is significant coverage. Please also see WP:PRIMARY which details the limited permitted usage of primary sources and WP:SELFPUB which has clear limitations on self published sources. Providing sufficient references, ideally one per fact cited, that meet these tough criteria is likely to make this draft a clear acceptance (0.9 probability). Lack of them or an inability to find them is likely to mean that the person is not suitable for inclusion, certainly today. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 19:16, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Timtrent just an FYI, they have removed the declines and reject a couple times now. S0091 (talk) 19:35, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@S0091 That is a very awkward stance they have taken. I hope your warning gets through to them. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 21:13, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

19:08, 5 May 2025 review of submission by Masuk Alam Noton Traveler

Kindly please check and also check in google and make it possible published Masuk Alam Noton Traveler (talk) 19:08, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Masuk Alam Noton Traveler If it is to be then it is up to you to make it happen. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 19:10, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

21:54, 5 May 2025 review of submission by Karldroth

Rejected draft Karldroth (talk) 21:54, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Karldroth It was not rejected. You had submitted it, bit concealed the text inside an HTML comment tag
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It looked to be a blank submission. I made the text appear, abnd have just declined the draft with rationale. 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 21:59, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, yeah, I'm not completely clear on the syntax. So, am I good, or, do I need to fix and resubmit, or, did you fix it for me? Karldroth (talk) 15:08, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

22:17, 5 May 2025 review of submission by Vj Ice


Hi everyone!

I’ve drafted a Wikipedia article in my sandbox about a notable Malawian DJ and music video director, VJ Ice (real name Anthony Malisawa). He has won national DJ awards, directed videos for top artists, and performed at major festivals like Lake of Stars and Sand Music Festival. The draft includes multiple references from reliable sources (Music In Africa, Malawi Music, Viberate, etc.) and follows Wikipedia's notability guidelines for musicians.

Here’s the draft: User:Vj_Ice/sandbox

I’d really appreciate it if an experienced editor could review it and guide me on how best to move it into mainspace, or help with the submission process. Thanks in advance for your support!

Vj Ice (talk) 22:17, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Vj Ice You have found out the problem of autobiographies. You very soon discover you are not as notable as you believe.
You had not submitted it for review, so no-one was one going to see it. What you have created is WP:ADMASQ 🇵🇸‍🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦‍🇵🇸 22:31, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requesting feedback on draft article about environmental sustainability company (COI disclosed)

Moved from Template talk:AfC help desk

Hi there, I'm working on a draft article about a company involved in environmental sustainability, an innovative project that is going to impact the worldwide community. I have a disclosed conflict of interest, as I’ve been asked to assist with this article, and I’m doing so in line with Wikipedia’s guidelines for paid and COI editors. My disclosure can be found on my user page.

I’ve aimed to keep the draft strictly neutral and informational, focusing on the company’s initiatives and their documented impact on international communities, without promotional language. The draft is in my sandbox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TheGreenPenWrites/sandbox I’d be very grateful if someone could take a look and let me know whether it aligns with Wikipedia’s content and notability standards, and what improvements might be needed.

I have read a lot of articles here on Wikipedia on how to create a draft according to the official requirements, however it is my first time and the actual writing can be challenging. Thanks a lot to whoever is going to help me with their comments! TheGreenPenWrites (talk) 16:43, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @TheGreenPenWrites.
A Wikipedia article should bve a summary of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, and very little else.
Much of your draft User:TheGreenPenWrites/sandbox reads as what IAmAmazonia wishes people to know about itself: but Wikipedia has essentially no interest in any of this. Start by finding several sources that meet WP:42, then forget everything that you personally know about the organisation, and write a summary of what those sources say.
I'm not sure if any of your sources meet the criteria, as I don't think that any of them are in depth about the organisation, as opposed to some of its projects. (The last two don't even mention IAmAmazonia: a source which does not mention the subject is rarely of use in a Wikipedia article, since the purpose of a citation is to provide verification for a claim about the subject).
My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 12:52, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @ColinFine thank you so much for taking the time to comment and help. I'll follow your advice to pause on my draft and start suggesting edits on existing article to get some first hand experience. TheGreenPenWrites (talk) 17:11, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

22:55, 5 May 2025 review of submission by Forbesfounder

confusion around resubmission Forbesfounder (talk) 22:55, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Forbesfounder: Refer to User:Jéské Couriano/Decode:
None of your sources are particularly good. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 00:09, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
how is one meant to gather information if not via reputable interviews. This is one of Britain's biggest businessman, who still does not have a Wikipedia biography. Please insert the references you see fit. Thank you. Forbesfounder (talk) 00:13, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
By reputable news stories that actually report on him instead of just giving him a pen and leaving the room to get some water. Anything that's wholly or substantially written by the subject doesn't help for eligibility because of that connexion (and in the case of articles like this, can only be used to source direct quotes or identity claims no reasonable person could try to dispute). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 00:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While I appreciate your input, I don’t agree with your assertions. It is the media’s responsibility to validate and fact-check statements made in interviews, precisely to avoid conflicts of interest. These are reputable media outlets, regardless of personal opinion. Furthermore, I’ve seen numerous Wikipedia articles that cite self-reported accounts as primary sources. In cases like this, such accounts often form the core of the available information. If there were any issues of privacy or misrepresentation, the media would be held accountable. Forbesfounder (talk) 00:31, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Forbesfounder: Which doesn't matter because the media doesn't do that except for the most blatant whoppers or the most hostile interviewees, and there is no practical punishment for publishing falsehoods someone spouts even if they are immediately fact-checked. And even if they did, we don't consider anything a subject or its surrogates say in any venue for eligibility or biographical claims. I will repeat what I said: Look for sources that actually report in-depth on him instead of just transcribing whatever he says. (And as to the rhetorical grenade you're trying to throw, how many of those articles post-date April 2018?) —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 00:44, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. I shall review the references. Thank you for your help. Forbesfounder (talk) 01:21, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

May 6

Request on 05:11:13, 6 May 2025 for assistance on AfC submission by AndreaLivnat


Hi, I am trying to publish this article. As I understand, it was declined: "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject." It is based on an article in a acedemic yearbook (wrote it myself), giving all the necessary sources. I cant give the sources in the wikipedia article, because they are primary non published sources (I had access to Boris Gersmans estate, letters, private stuff). So I dont know what to do with it. I did my research as always, I am an historian, but cant publish it here. Please help me with this! Thank you very much in advance.


AndreaLivnat (talk) 05:11, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Non published sources, private stuff and letters CANNOt be used to cite an article here, yes you are correct you cannot publish it here, that would be original research. Theroadislong (talk) 07:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

07:17, 6 May 2025 review of submission by Dvalev

Hello, I'm trying to understand why is the article rejected for a second time although I added more (secondary) references to it. I struggle to comprehend how is this article unsuited for the Wikipedia (a scientific discipline, related to philosophy, epistemology, math, IT), and on the other hand we have Wikipedia articles about random people who didn't contribute to anything nor didn't make any scientific or other discoveries; or even more random topics with colose to none references or importance. I believe that this article is important, and I'd love to get some help from the pros to get it published. Thank you.

Dvalev (talk) 07:17, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia does not have articles based on purpoted "importance" but on notability; that is, significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. As the reviewer stated this article is a confusing mess and reads like an advertisement for one man's idea. As it stands the article has been rejected and won't be considered further. CoconutOctopus talk 08:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

07:27, 6 May 2025 review of submission by Teamworkers

omar owns the make hijrah platform, and the make hijrah channel, he got thousands of Muslims to make hijrah because of it Teamworkers (talk) 07:27, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, but the article does not show he is notable per Wikipedia's standards and you repeatedly re-submitted it without making the required improvements so I have rejected the draft and it can no longer be submitted. You have not responded to the COI notice I have left you, are you in any way related to Omar or the app? CoconutOctopus talk 08:42, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

07:41, 6 May 2025 review of submission by Naturenerd135

Hello, my submission has been rejected as it doesn't have an encyclopaedic tone - I've tried to keep it as neutral as possible. Please can you advise which parts may need re-looking at or any other advice in how to make it acceptable? Thank you Naturenerd135 (talk) 07:41, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've read through the draft and I'm personally struggling to understand why the most recent reviewer declined for tone. @Gheus, did you click the wrong reason or am I missing something? CoconutOctopus talk 08:37, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"produces nature-inspired", "The brand", "partnered with", "It marked the first time in over 400 years", sounds like an advertisement to me (of course, you can resubmit if you disagree). Gheus (talk) 09:02, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

08:15, 6 May 2025 review of submission by Pistachio Tiffany

Submission declined, kindly assist. Thank you. Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 08:15, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Pistachio Tiffany, do you have a question about anything in particular? The decline reason has quite a few links that should help you out. StartGrammarTime (talk) 08:44, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, thank you for your kind reply. I am not sure how I can get the submission to be accepted. Is there any way that you could suggest to me? Thank you in advanced! Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 08:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Pistachio Tiffany: Refer to the basic notability criteria for biographies and the general notability guideline – requirement for significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. The only sources I see here are a business directory entry, a puff piece, and announcements of awards that do not appear to be notable. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 08:55, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your input. Those awards are by independent third parties and are notable in the legal sector which are LexisNexis and Asian Legal Business (ALB) by Thomson Reuters. Please explain what you are suggesting as puff piece so that I may clarify where necessary. Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 09:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They are not notable in Wikipedia terms however, since we have no articles about them. Theroadislong (talk) 09:12, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LexisNexis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomson_Reuters
Kindly refer, thanks. Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 09:16, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
then add links to the draft! But the awards have no article? Theroadislong (talk) 09:23, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is, https://www.lexisnexis.com/en-hk/40under40/2024/yi-qing-loh
Thank you for your input. Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 09:28, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
that is a profile page, it confers zero notability. Theroadislong (talk) 09:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
that is by the website of LexisNexis, how is that a profile page? It is stated with clarity here, https://www.lexisnexis.com/en-sg/news-and-insights/40Under40 Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 09:39, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think what Theroadislong means here is that there are no articles in Wikipedia about these specific awards, because nobody has shown that these awards meet our notability standards. Awards do not inherit notability from the organisations that sponsor them. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 09:34, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that is because nobody edited them in, it does not mean is has no notability. Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 09:40, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's true, but until that happens, we don't consider it notable. 331dot (talk) 09:46, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
great, meaning as long as it has ben edited in then it could count as having notability. Thanks for your input. Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 09:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Have you read the entirety of Wikipedia's guidance on Notability, and genuinely taken the time to consider whether Ms Loh, and these awards, meet our requirements? — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 09:46, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
you asked for a secondary source that is notable and I have provided them bearing in mind that it is a third party link that I have no control over. Am I missing something? Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 09:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The link I provided explains what "puff piece" means in contrast to unbiased journalism. The Glam Week article is really just a gallery of glamour shots supplemented by a friendly interview (free publicity). — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 09:27, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, it is a fact that the featured person is a beauty queen, lawyer and entrepreneur. Can you please explain further on the meaning of puff piece as the contents of the article are mere facts? Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 09:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The answers have already been provided in previous replies. Please read them carefully. — ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 09:37, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You've gotten tons of replies now, but I'm still going to link you the page I think is most useful and give you the explanation that made sense to me! Have a look at WP:42, and then here's my spiel.
Your goal here is to establish that your subject is notable by Wikipedia standards, which are very specific. There's a bunch of different options, but in general the way to show that your subject is notable is to provide at least three sources which match the triple criteria in WP:42. Once you have those, you can use other sources for additional bits of information, but the WP:42-compatible sources are the most important - without those you can't have an article.
One thing that trips lots of people up is that interviews can't be used to show notability, because they're not independent. Wikipedia editors have also spent a lot of time and argument over which sources are reliable, and which are not - you can find a list of some frequently used ones at WP:RSPSS. If you've looked at a source against WP:42 and aren't sure whether it passes, you're welcome to link it to me and I'll have a peek. I hope this helps! StartGrammarTime (talk) 09:58, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
can you please review my draft and let me know what else is required? I have added many links under "External Links" other than "References" that are independent sources, are you able to see them? Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 10:03, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, a couple more things @Pistachio Tiffany because I can see you're working on your draft right now. Don't worry about external links - they're basically irrelevant in terms of your goal. You want references - you want good, solid sources. So just pause for a moment and read through the information I've given you about sources (WP:42!) and above all, don't resubmit until you have those sources and you've got them cited! If you keep resubmitting without making improvements, the draft will be rejected and all your work will be wasted. You don't want that. Just slow down, maybe grab a cup of tea or coffee, and then come back and do some assessing of the references you've got. There's no deadline, there's no rush, the draft will be there in an hour or a week or a month. StartGrammarTime (talk) 10:05, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

09:46, 6 May 2025 review of submission by Montreuxconvention

I submitted as page as draft and it asked for secondary, strictly independent of the subject sources. Theses sources do not exists for the topic. even though the infomation is the truth how do i get around this? Montreuxconvention (talk) 09:46, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In the ALB links, there is a tab for finalist and it can be seen there in the lists. Please refer to the External Links as I have edited and added relevant links for review and submission. Thank you very much. Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 09:49, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
AlB? Montreuxconvention (talk) 09:51, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Asian Legal Business or is there any other sources that you are specifically referring to? Please let me know so that I may guide you on that. Thank you. Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 09:52, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You are going to have to be more specific as i do not understand? Montreuxconvention (talk) 09:56, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"Theses sources do not exists for the topic. even though the infomation is the truth how do i get around this?" you asked this? How can I assist? Is there any specific link that is not working? Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 09:58, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
there are links for the topic that work but they are primary link from the boat club about it self. there are not secondary links about it and i need secondary links for a submission. but the secondary links do not exists anywhere so how do i get around this problem. Montreuxconvention (talk) 10:02, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pistachio Tiffany, I think you're in the wrong thread here - @Montreuxconvention is asking about their own draft. Yours is the next one up :) StartGrammarTime (talk) 10:07, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
thank you for your input, can you please look into mine? Very much appreciated! Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 10:10, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pistachio Tiffany, [3] is my latest response that I hope will help you. StartGrammarTime (talk) 10:12, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
the secondary links are in "External Links" and "References"
LexisNexis® 40 UNDER 40 2024 - Yi Qing Loh www.lexisnexis.com
ALB Malaysia Law Awards 2024 | Asian Legal Business www.legalbusinessonline.com (under FINALIST TAB : Managing Partner, Woman Lawyer and Rising Law Firm categories)
ALB Malaysia Law Awards 2025 | Asian Legal Business www.legalbusinessonline.com (under FINALIST TAB: ESG ans Sustainability Law Firm category)
ALB SE Asia Law Awards 2025 | Asian Legal Business www.legalbusinessonline.com (under FINALIST TAB: Managing Partner (Emerging Markets) category)
Miss Planet International 2024 Alphageant Wiki Top 18
Youtube Event Video of Miss Planet International 2024 - 4th Edition by Miss Planet International
LexisNexis Wikipedia under LexisNexis Asia Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 10:09, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Pistachio Tiffany: please stop commenting in this thread. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:11, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, I wasn't aware earlier. Pistachio Tiffany (talk) 10:12, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hi @Montreuxconvention: if, as you say, secondary sources don't exist, then this organisation is not notable enough to justify its own article. It's not enough that something exists, for inclusion in Wikipedia it must have also received coverage in multiple secondary sources. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:10, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What happens if they do exist they just cannot be referenced due to the fact that they are physical paper? Montreuxconvention (talk) 10:12, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Montreuxconvention: offline sources (assuming that's what you mean by 'physical paper'?) are perfectly acceptable, as long as they otherwise meet our requirements, ie. are reliable, independent, secondary sources that have been published and remain accessible. In citing offline sources, you need to provide sufficient bibliographic details to allow the sources to be reliably identified for verification, see WP:OFFLINE for more on this. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:16, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
how do you work out if they remain accessible? Montreuxconvention (talk) 10:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Montreuxconvention: that's also discussed in the guidance on published, but to give an example, the source cannot be only in a private archive which no one is allowed to access; similarly, if the only known copy of something is destroyed or its whereabouts cannot be determined, it would not be accessible (and to say that at one time it was accessible isn't enough). -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:05, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Montreuxconvention (talk) 11:18, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

13:23, 6 May 2025 review of submission by Ms 2024 baiiiii

how can i get this topic be reviewed, thanks Ms 2024 baiiiii (talk) 13:23, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You can't, it has been rejected. Please see the messages left by reviewers. If you can fundamentally change the draft to address the concerns, the first step is to appeal to the rejecting reviewer directly. 331dot (talk) 14:05, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

13:59, 6 May 2025 review of submission by 157.125.74.221

I'd like to understand why it's being declined, when the subject is neutral. Additionally, I believe it's quite important when mentioning regarding the growth of Employee Ownership and the link to one of it's board members, especially being a previous prominent member of the EU parliament. 157.125.74.221 (talk) 13:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You have only summarized the routine activities of the company, not significant coverage in independent reliable sources that shows how the company is a notable company. 331dot (talk) 14:04, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

15:31, 6 May 2025 review of submission by Kaalsingh

Dear Sir, can I start fresh . Since I am new & I am struggling with rules & regulation Kaalsingh (talk) 15:31, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You appear to have nothing at all to support the topic being notable in Wikipedia terms. Theroadislong (talk) 15:34, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kaalsingh, if you decide to start over, I strongly recommend that you begin by finding several sources where people wholly unconnected with Yadav or Wise have chosen to write in sonme depthv about Yadav and been published in reliable sources: see WP:42 for more infoermation.
If you cannot find at least three sources that meet these criteria (and thus far you have none at all) then you will know that any further effort you put into this subject is a waste of your time, as no article will be accepted.
If you do find three or more such sources, then you can indeed begin again. Approach the editor who rejected your draft, present them with the sources you have found, and ask them to rescind the rejection.
If they agree, you almost ceratinly want to throw away all your existing text, and begin again: forget everything you know about Yadav, and write a neutral summary of what those independent sources say. Then submit the draft for review.
But I would even more strongly recommend that you put the whole idea of this article aside until you have gained more knowledge of Wikipedia. My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 19:12, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

16:34, 6 May 2025 review of submission by Baidaimeng

I acquired electronic copies of some old reports and newspaper articles regarding Chik Wai Leung from some library archives. These documents are only accessible in their respective libraries. How should I cite these documents if they are single pages in larger documents but some information about those documents are missing? Baidaimeng (talk) 16:34, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You need to be able to cite enough information that someone could locate these passages if they so wished. If it's a page of a larger book or document, you can cite the specific page number along with author, publisher, publication date, etc. 331dot (talk) 16:39, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

16:47, 6 May 2025 review of submission by Solenereboulet

Hello,


I recently submitted a draft article about the company Advans, which was declined on May 3, 2025. I understand that the issue is mainly related to the sources not meeting the required criteria (depth, reliability, secondary, and independence). I would like to improve the draft and resubmit it, but I need some guidance to move forward properly.


Would someone be kind enough to:

- Point out one or two sources in the current draft that are considered acceptable according to Wikipedia’s standards;

- And one or two that are not acceptable, with a brief explanation?


This would really help me understand what’s expected, and what I should aim for or avoid. Also, if some parts of the draft are clearly problematic due to poor sourcing (or could be removed for now), please let me know.


Thanks a lot in advance for your help and your time!


Best regards, Solenereboulet (talk) 16:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Solenereboulet this article was just deleted via an WP:AfD discussion - WP:Articles for deletion/Advans - where you were given some robust feedback. Right now there are 29 sources and no reviewer is going to review all of them so my advice is to cut!, cut! cut! and it reads promotional to me. Best to make a simple draft using the best five-ish sources.. S0091 (talk) 19:13, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

16:59, 6 May 2025 review of submission by Teedadonn

Please Can You Put "KTB" On Here, Its A Gang So It Should Be On Here. Teedadonn (talk) 16:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Totally unsourced and zero evidence of notability correctly so rejected. Theroadislong (talk) 17:03, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, @Teedadonn. A Wikipedia article should be a summary of what some people who are wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to write (in some depth) about the subject, and been publixhed in a reliable publication; and very little else.
Wikipedia has essentially no interest in what you, I, or any random person on the internet knows about the gang, and even less interest in what the gang wants to say about itself.
If you haven't got any independent, reliable, in-depth sources (see WP:42) there cannot be an article. ColinFine (talk) 19:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

17:47, 6 May 2025 review of submission by SVSWIKIPED


The page submits but laters says its not submitted for review. Plz help.. I made an article on tests in the USA but everytime I submit, I see a yellow box saying successfully submitted for review but refresh from my inbox and see that it says it is not submitted. What is happening? SVSWIKIPED (talk) 17:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I fixed your post to provide a link to the draft as intended. I don't believe there are any notifications of submission. You have indeed successfully submitted it, you will get a notification when it is reviewed. 331dot (talk) 17:56, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

18:50, 6 May 2025 review of submission by Ellagracerr

Hello! My article was denied as the sources weren't adequate. Can I have help determining if I just need more sources and to add depth, or if my sources are not considered 'independent'? Thanks so much!! Ellagracerr (talk) 18:50, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Ellagracerr. I suggest you look at WP:42, and evaluate each source against it.
The question to ask for each source is "Is this a place where somebody completely unconnected with the Incentives and with the organisations which create and maintain them, has chosen to write in depth about the incentives, and been publixshed in a reliable publication?" If the answer is No, the source is of little use, and cannot count towards establishing that the subject is notable in Wikipedia's sense. ColinFine (talk) 19:25, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

23:41, 6 May 2025 review of submission by 2600:6C5E:18F0:6AC0:4DC2:B51E:D9DF:F68

It was a fun thing to put on there. It was going to be a part of a movie 2600:6C5E:18F0:6AC0:4DC2:B51E:D9DF:F68 (talk) 23:41, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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