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- A Night in Texas (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Seems to fail WP:NMUSIC. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 03:36, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Khumar Gadimova (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article does not yet appear to be notable for English Wikipedia Insufficient Sources, and the topic may not meet Wikipedia’s notability guidelines. 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 02:28, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Thomas William Hanforth (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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No significant coverage. In fact, having digged around, I found very few mentions in general bar a 2003 article published by the Hymn Society in the United States and Canada and the already cited 'Dictionary of Composers for the Church in Great Britain and Ireland'
The post he held at Sheffield Cathedral doesn't seem inherently notable. Also, the orchestra he conducted was an amateur orchestra. Leonstojka (talk) 16:07, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
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- WifiSkeleton (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Topic seemingly fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. Currently, the independent coverage consists of: 1. a tabloid article, 2. an article that relies on the previous article, and 3. an article that cites the subject's fandom page as its source. I did my own search and was unable to find any significant coverage outside of tabloid articles concerning the subject's death. – AllCatsAreGrey (talk) 15:53, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
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- His death is linked up to his discord server, including a stage talk in discord, unfortunately no one has a recording or a youtube video of this stage announcement , i could add images of his closest friends saying stuff, and due to lack of proof, the only things i have/we got is that he overdosed on drugs. MasonCityIowaUser (talk) 16:09, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Miami-Dade County Medical Examiners Case Number 2025-01306 is the examiner report for skel, users were told by gothangelz staff not to post it as it provided his full name, any image of the report posted gets deleted which suggests that it is actually him. 2skate (talk) 22:40, 8 May 2025 (UTC) — 2skate (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
- This doesn’t matter anyway as it doesn’t establish subject notability. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 23:03, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- “Images of his closest friends saying stuff” are not viable sources. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 23:14, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Miami-Dade County Medical Examiners Case Number 2025-01306 is the examiner report for skel, users were told by gothangelz staff not to post it as it provided his full name, any image of the report posted gets deleted which suggests that it is actually him. 2skate (talk) 22:40, 8 May 2025 (UTC) — 2skate (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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- Delete. His music is good but he's definitely not notable enough. Cyb3rstarz (talk) 19:39, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Definitely notable enough now, more monthly listeners than jaydes yet jaydes has his own article. He has a song with over 40 million plays that is currently trending on social media and is number 32 on the charts of most popular songs in the US. 2skate (talk) 22:26, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- 100% notable enough, i do agree the sources in the article could be better but i do not think it should be deleted personally BigChungusOnVinyl (talk) 05:16, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Definitely notable enough now, more monthly listeners than jaydes yet jaydes has his own article. He has a song with over 40 million plays that is currently trending on social media and is number 32 on the charts of most popular songs in the US. 2skate (talk) 22:26, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete I tagged the article for notability as there is no viable coverage of his music and only tabloid/news farming sites were reporting his death. Sourcing in the article is trash and he has no notable discography, chart activity nor label work. 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 20:16, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- George Dyer (musician) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I could only see minor, routine coverage when I did a search. Although the subject has won a couple of awards, these aren't major. Looks like it might be a case of WP:TOO SOON.
There are also misleading statements designed to look like the subject has received more prominent coverage from sources (e.g. 'On 21 March 2023, it was announced that Dyer would collaborate with Nativity! The Musical director Debbie Isitt again on I Should Be So Lucky. . .' - and the cited source mentions him only very briefly). Finally, the username of the page creator suggests a close connection to the subject. Leonstojka (talk) 13:03, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Narinder Batth (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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His work might seem notable, but the lack of coverage in reliable sources indicates that he is not notable Afstromen (talk) 08:24, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment; did you look for punjabi language sources? AnonymousScholar49 (talk) 17:19, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- I searched on Google in Punjabi, but the results did not satisfy the notability criteria.
- Afstromen (talk) 04:06, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Noël St. John Harnden (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Promotional in tone and a clear WP:CREATIVE and WP:GNG fail in my opinion. Aspening (talk) 01:21, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Orphaned article with weak sources, from galleries, press release and only one news post. Subject of the article is not notable. Notability is not proved. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 01:03, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Trace Fryer (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I've done a deep BEFORE search on this person by all three names she has used, as well as the name of her gallery, but have not found much more than social media, primary sources, user-submitted content. Note that there are two other people named Trace Fryer out there so a careful search is necessary. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NARTIST. There were couple mentions of shows that took place at her gallery, but no mention of her or about the gallery itself, so does not meet WP:NBUSINESSPERSON. As a musician I could find nothing. I found one thing that she wrote, for STEAM Journal, but that's not enough to meet WP:NAUTHOR. Current sourcing is not enough to establish notability either. Bringing this here for the community to decide. Netherzone (talk) 21:34, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. The uniqueness of the artist working with and publishing articles in animal culture and related issues is noteworthy. Starlighsky (talk) 02:07, 8 May 2025 (UTC)Starlighsky
- Delete - For the previous voter, uniqueness is not the same as notability, which is required for a Wikipedia article that covers how/if she has made a mark in independent media. This one is an attempted resume and personal portfolio like any that could be found at her own sites. It appears that she is making an honest living with some intriguing art and writing, but there is not enough for an encyclopedic article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:40, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
Comment: I just want to add that the author is unique in the creation of Animal-Human art. Uniqueness is mentioned in WP:NAUTHOR as "The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique;".Starlighsky (talk) 01:30, 9 May 2025 (UTC)Starlighsky
- ZephyrMusic (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Recently recreated article previous deleted. I speedied it as G4 this morning, but the page creator User:SparklingBlueMoon says sources are improved so I undeleted it on request. I'm not satisfied this meets BLP or BAND per applied or found sources. BusterD (talk) 14:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep. Meets BLP and WP:GNG. I am convinced that this person can be included in our encyclopedia. He appears in several reliable media where articles are entirely devoted to him, such as in La Voix du Nord, l'Observateur, and l'Avenir. He also appears in reliable media such as Canal FM and Muséanima. There are also interviews, but I do not count them as they cannot demonstrate notoriety by their nature as primary sources, but it is important to know that they exist and that they can be used in a non-abusive way and by being coupled with reliable sources to support the article. The sources span several years, which shows a long-term interest from the media, namely that not all the sources can be found online or in physical version in the article. There are enough reliable sources to write an encyclopedic article about him in accordance with Wikipedia's policy. SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 15:14, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Still unclear that he meets WP:BLP or WP:MUSICIAN. The article reads as WP:PROMO with all kinds of details that are unnecessary for someone of his standing. As far as sourcing: The Canal FM source mentions a "Karl" but without last name and without any sort of in-depth coverage. That is not significant coverage that would count towards notability. The Muséanima site is inaccessible. Wikifamouspeople remains user-generated and unreliable. The BBC article doesn't mention him at all, and its inclusion is a bit of WP:SYNTH. As for l'Observateur and L'Avenir, I'm also not convinced that the articles are anything other than minor interest pieces. They don't really establish global notability. I have newspaper articles written about me and that interview me; and yet I am not notable enough for a wiki page. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 17:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV for WP:NBIO. I've only seen one RS in the reference section of the article. All the others are mentions, tangentially related to the subject, user generated pages or broken. Couldn't find any other RS. -- Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 18:42, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- On the contrary, it is in accordance with WP:SIGCOV... I don't know how you checked the sources... I easily count more than 5 reliable sources, La Voix du Nord which has a Wikipedia article here, L'Avenir the same, l'Observateur is also a reliable newspaper which is also certified "Journalism Trust Initiative", Canal FM and Muséanima are also reliable sources. The majority of sources are entirely written about this person, we go far beyond simple mentions. For user-generated content, you must be referring to Wikifamouspeople? Despite its name, it is not actually a wiki where everyone can contribute, I can't see Leonardo Dicaprio or Kevin Hart going to this site to create their profile, it is an editorial team that writes profiles with the sources it finds on people who are at least notable. With a simple search I found other sources, obviously I didn't find and put all the sources that can be found on the internet or in physical form in the article. I've seen articles that are much less well sourced but have no problem, we don't understand anything anymore. SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 12:19, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- La Voix du Nord is the only source I could consider. As Darth Stabro said, l'Observateur is a minor interest piece. Doesn't meet WP:NBIO or WP:MUSICIAN.
- Could you provide a link to an article in the L'Avenir site (www.lavenir.net)?
- The Canal FM source is only a mention. Muséanima is down and a very minor site, mostly of video clips. In the front page and in every page of Wikifamouspeople there's a link to create a free profile. Not RS at all.
- If you find other reliable sources with a simple search, please add them to the article or to a comment so the community can review them. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 14:51, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- On the contrary, it is in accordance with WP:SIGCOV... I don't know how you checked the sources... I easily count more than 5 reliable sources, La Voix du Nord which has a Wikipedia article here, L'Avenir the same, l'Observateur is also a reliable newspaper which is also certified "Journalism Trust Initiative", Canal FM and Muséanima are also reliable sources. The majority of sources are entirely written about this person, we go far beyond simple mentions. For user-generated content, you must be referring to Wikifamouspeople? Despite its name, it is not actually a wiki where everyone can contribute, I can't see Leonardo Dicaprio or Kevin Hart going to this site to create their profile, it is an editorial team that writes profiles with the sources it finds on people who are at least notable. With a simple search I found other sources, obviously I didn't find and put all the sources that can be found on the internet or in physical form in the article. I've seen articles that are much less well sourced but have no problem, we don't understand anything anymore. SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 12:19, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. The AfD is not a vote but is based on arguments and explanations, so I'll take the time to explain why I think this person is eligible for inclusion on our Wikipedia:
If we look at all the criteria that apply to the person:
WP:BLP : Material about living persons added to any Wikipedia page must be written with the utmost care and attention to verifiability, neutrality, and avoidance of original research.
Verifiability? → Yes, the text is based on reliable sources Written in a neutral tone? → Yes, the text is written in Wikipedia's recommended style and does transcribe what is stated in the sources Original research? → No, all the text is written based on sources; there is no unsourced information.
WP:BLP is respected.
Next, for WP:GNG : A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage from reliable sources that are independent of the topic.
"Significant coverage"→ Yes, this article has sources spanning several years, demonstrating that the person has generated media attention over several years. Furthermore, the page contains articles from reliable media outlets such as La Voix du Nord, L'Observateur, L'Avenir and others, entirely focused on the person and of sufficient length; it is not just a simple mention or a few short lines.
"Reliable" → Yes, several sources discussing this person are known to be reliable news sites, and some even have their own Wikipedia page here, such as La Voix du Nord and L'Avenir. L’Observateur which has existed for over 170 years and has the Journalism Trust certification is a reliable source, there are also Canal FM and Muséanima as reliable sources.
"Sources" → Yes, a large proportion of sources are secondary; they are sometimes combined with other types of sources to support the article.
"Independent of the subject" → Yes, the majority of sources are undoubtedly independent and written by journalists. If we take the case of Wikifamouspeople, it is not a user-generated source because it is not actually a real Wiki and only a few members of the editorial staff can write profiles.
WP:GNG is also respected.
For WP:MN
Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theater groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria:
1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself. → Yes
So he also respects WP:MN.
According to a contributor, the article reads like promotional material, but all the content is sourced, there is no unpublished work, and there are no links attempting to redirect to this person's music or these networks, and if passages seem promotional then they can be removed or reformulated but that is not an argument for deletion. Too much information? Like any Wikipedia biography, I find it logical to talk about their childhood, their education, their musical style and influences, etc. If we look at Canal FM, we see that the person's name is Karl, he is 20 years old at the time of writing, and finally, we clearly recognize him in the photo that illustrates him on Canal FM, so we are indeed talking about the right person. Muséanima was accessible recently, it covered the subject in detail, it may be a temporary outage of the site, if it does not improve I will recover the archived version on Wayback Machine, the article is not lost. For Wikifamouspeople, I won't explain again why the content isn't actually user-generated. L'Observateur and L'Avenir write about the subject in detail and are reliable secondary sources. Also, I would like to remind you that as stated in WP:N it says "There is no fixed number of sources required", there is no minimum or maximum number of references for a subject to be included in Wikipedia, we are just asked that there are reliable sources and that it meets criteria, which is the case here. SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 11:47, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment. With the sources we currently have and with the criteria of WP:BLP, WP:GNG and WP:MN respected, we could keep the article. If passages need to be removed, let's remove them. There are already quite a few reliable sources, but the contributors seem disturbed or undecided because they would like even more sources, in this case let's not delete the article but simply put the "Citation Needed" template at the top of the article, this template exists for that. SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 11:56, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Pause Flow (rapper) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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All coverage is exclusively on streaming services and social media. I see no evidence of passing WP:GNG or WP:ARTIST. Sophisticatedevening🍷(talk) 13:58, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
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- I believe this article meets WP:GNG and WP:MUSIC notability criteria through significant, independent coverage of the subject’s impact on Moroccan music. The concerns raised conflate platform availability (streaming/social media) with notability—per WP:Notability#Sources, reliable sources need not be English-language or print-based, and Moroccan media’s primary coverage of domestic artists often occurs digitally.
- Evidence of Notability
- Commercial Impact:
- Spotify Morocco’s official Instagram documented his multi-month Top 10 chart dominance (secondary verification of industry impact).
- Genius lyric pages for his work show thousands of engagements, demonstrating public interest.
- Cultural Influence:
- Arabic-language articles from Publication 1 and Publication 2 cover the success of his projects.
- Policy Compliance:
- Sources are independent (not self-published or affiliated).
- Coverage reflects depth (career analysis, not mere announcements).
- Digital-native platforms are valid per WP:NEWSORG when authoritative (e.g., Spotify’s official charts).
- Commercial Impact:
- Addressing Specific Concerns
- "All coverage is on streaming/social media": Moroccan music journalism increasingly operates digitally; this doesn’t diminish reliability.
- The article now cites:
- Chart metrics (commercial notability)
- Genre innovation (cultural impact)
- Media profiles (public figure status)
- I’ve expanded the article with a sourced discography and streaming milestones to further demonstrate notability. Per WP:PROD, please reconsider given this verifiable, secondary coverage. Rap no Davinci (talk) 19:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- (Likely AI generated message. WP:LLMTALK) --JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 00:18, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete - There isn't WP:SIGCOV from reliable sources. Per WP:SPS social media and Youtube aren't RS. I haven't been able to find more RS about the subject, only blogs and music stream services. Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 22:22, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per Itzcuauhtli11. Not seeing GNG being met here. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 00:10, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- I strongly contest this nomination and urge editors to reconsider per [[WP:DEPROMPT]] (deletion should be a last resort). The arguments presented reflect systemic biases that disproportionately affect non-Western subjects:
- Misapplication of [[WP:SIGCOV]]
- The subject has 300M+ YouTube views and 100M+ Spotify streams; metrics that objectively demonstrate cultural impact in Morocco (population: 35M).
- [[WP:Notability#General_notability_guideline|GNG]] explicitly states there’s "no fixed number of sources" required, and sources need not be in English.
- Digital-Native Bias
- Moroccan hip-hop’s coverage exists primarily on digital platforms (per [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] for regional figures). Dismissing Spotify’s official charts (via @SpotifyMorocco) or Genius lyric engagements (100K+) as "non-reliable" ignores:
- [[WP:NEWSORG]]: Spotify is a verifiable industry authority.
- [[WP:RS#Social_media|Social media as RS]] when official (e.g., the artist's interview with 2M+ views).
- Moroccan hip-hop’s coverage exists primarily on digital platforms (per [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] for regional figures). Dismissing Spotify’s official charts (via @SpotifyMorocco) or Genius lyric engagements (100K+) as "non-reliable" ignores:
- Ethnocentric Double Standards
- Holding Moroccan artists to Western media standards (where hip-hop is often documented in print) contradicts [[WP:Global_right_to_write]].
- The subject’s 700K+ Instagram followers and 200K+ fanpage reflect notability within his linguistic/cultural context—a threshold we wouldn’t dismiss for non-English figures.
- Misapplication of [[WP:SIGCOV]]
- Actionable Requests
- Instead of deletion, please consider tagging {{[[Template:More citations needed|more citations]]}} if gaps exist.
- Recognize that absence of English coverage ≠ absence of notability (per [[WP:WHYNOT]]).
- This article meets GNG through:
- ✓ Commercial metrics (streams/charts)
- ✓ Cultural influence (large fanbase)
- Deleting it would reinforce Wikipedia’s systemic underrepresentation of Global South artists. ~~~~ Rap no Davinci (talk) 02:46, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- I strongly contest this nomination and urge editors to reconsider per [[WP:DEPROMPT]] (deletion should be a last resort). The arguments presented reflect systemic biases that disproportionately affect non-Western subjects:
- Fany (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Neither article refers to the subject as "Fany". Onel5969 TT me 10:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Weak keep as a given name page.
One of the references on Hwanhee does use "Fany" in the headline.(Update: The source is in Korean and I don't know where that translated headline came from). While I see nothing at Tiffany Young at this time, there are a few other pages that could be included: Fany Pfumo, Fany Pérez Gutiérrez, Fany Gauto, Fany Chalas and Fanny Puyesky (which although titled with "Fanny" mixes usage with "Fany"). And there would need to be a see also for FANY and Fanny. Alternatively, these names could perhaps be merged into Fanny (name). older ≠ wiser 11:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC) - Keep as a normal given name page, or merge with Fanny (name). Needs links to and from FANY/First Aid Nursing Yeomanry. PamD 17:31, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: This page has been completely rewritten since this morning. It's probably no longer a candidate for deletion. Dan Bloch (talk) 07:48, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Mai Nguyễn Anh (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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lacks significant coverage from independent, reliable sources, failing Wikipedia's notability guidelines for companies. Additionally, its promotional tone and reliance on primary sources Oia-pop (talk) 05:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Moshe Fisher-Rozenberg (Memory Pearl) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Looked at the first block of reference and a WP:BEFORE. No indication of significance. Lots of passing mentions. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. scope_creepTalk 09:01, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Sophie Rimheden (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article was formerly completely unreferenced but I was able to find one ref and add it. However, I think it still does not pass GNG. Aside from the article I found, there does not appear to be any significant coverage of her anywhere. Other news sources are passing mentions in articles about other musicians and the only Google Book results appear to be listings in a directory of musicians. Pinguinn 🐧 10:00, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
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Delete: Per nomination. The EBSCO database and ProQuest also doesn't yield any results. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 10:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: Per below sources. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 08:07, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
KEEP, I have found some stuff in Google News. I have not much time left to do translations.
* Norra Skåne, 19 juni 2008 - Skånska Sophie Rimheden får del av miljonbidrag
* Gaffa, 11.04.2012 - Efter en lång väntan släpper nu electrodrottningen sitt femte album. By Sofia Anderson
* GP, 29 May, 2012 - Sophie Rimheden | Haj
* Sydsvenskan, 1 juni 2012 - Rimheden fångar mörkt Skåne By Emma Thörnkvist
* Kristianstadsbladet, 3 januari 2006 - Sophie Rimheden spelar på hemmaplan
* Release Music Magazine - SOPHIE RIMHEDEN MISS ALBUM SVEDJEBRUK RELEASE: AUGUST 30, 2004 REVIEW: SEPTEMBER 6, 2004
* Release Music Magazine, - SOPHIE RIMHEDEN TRAVELLER ALBUM NONS RELEASE: APRIL16, 2008 REVIEW: JUNE 10, 2008
I can find more but I am due to do other things. Anyway, plenty to satisfy me.
Karl Twist (talk) 11:20, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment, the page just needs referencing. She's very popular and well-known in Scandanavia. Here's the problem, a lot of the usable and good references are not in English. There's a great potential to make a very good page about her. It will take time though. Some Wikipedia folks from Sweden would be a big help. Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 08:00, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep, per sources by Karl Twist, there is clearly enough to pass the threshold for notability. --AlexandraAVX (talk) 11:01, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. In addition to what Karl Twist posted above, I find plenty of reviews and articles in a Swedish media archive, a sustained interest over time. I've added a couple of them to the article so far. /Julle (talk) 16:58, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
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Similar case to List of Danish artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards and List of Welsh artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards. I don't see any WP:RS taking significant notice of the phenomenon of Norwegian artists being nominated for the MTV Europe Music Awards. The sources recently added verify that the artists were respectively nominated for various awards at the MTV Europe Music Awards but, importantly, none of the sources discuss all 4 artists as a group nor is there any extended commentary on their Norwegian nationality. In fact, only the Billboard source seems to make any reference to Norway. I did a quick WP:BEFORE and couldn't find any news sources writing about this phenomenon. It seems to be a list for the sake of having a list. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:02, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Yes, fails NLIST. Delete. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 18:18, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. The subject is not significantly discussed among WP:RS. Koshuri (グ) 13:21, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
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I'm failing to find any in-depth coverage in WP:RS to meet WP:GNG. While they may meet point 5 of WP:BAND, a) I'm not finding any sources to support this and b) the record label in question is entirely unsourced as well. The best I've found is this passing mention in a bio about one of its former members. I would have PRODed this but it was previously had a PROD removed in 2008 (although seemingly without solving the underlying problems). While there may be sources in Spanish that I'm missing, the .es version was also deleted in 2023. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 12:46, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - I can't add much to the nominator's investigation. This band is occasionally mentioned as an early stop for some members who went on to more notable things, but Darna themselves never achieved any significiant and dedicated media coverage that I can find. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:11, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
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No indication of significance. No social media presence, no real coverage for a BLP. Fails WP:NSINGER, WP:BIO, WP:SIGCOV. scope_creepTalk 06:37, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. Article in question was soft deleted in 2022, which I agree was the best solution at the time. Likewise, I think that soft deletion is the appropriate solution here, as subject clearly fails notability guidelines, however clearly has some level of presence that may transpire into notability in the future. JacobTheRox (talk) 07:28, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, but I don't feel too strongly about it. Googling the name seems to wield plenty of results, but not all are independent. Barely any of the citations in the article actually mention Nyzzy. Might be a case of WP:TOOSOON. Afonso Dimas Martins (talk) 08:19, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment: Sources 1 and 7 in the article are RS, but the first is an interview, second is barely a few sentences. Oaktree b (talk) 14:21, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Still probably TOOSOON, there are no charted singles, no awards won, really nothing to show critical notice. Sourcing is scant and I can't find any that could show musical notability. Oaktree b (talk) 14:23, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
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Been to draft twice but still not referenced. Refs are profiles and passing mentions. Fails WP:NSINGER, WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. scope_creepTalk 06:52, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
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- The singer has been awarded Best playback singer (Female): Karthika Vaidyanathan (Kangal Edho, Chithha). I have referenced articles talking about this. Eg: https://www.news18.com/movies/69th-filmfare-awards-south-a-complete-look-at-the-list-of-winners-8991955.html I believe it is unfair to call it "passing mentions". These are news articles that refer to the person winning the award. The Filmfare awards are as significant as the Oscars in India and hence, should not be thought of as a trivial thing.
- These news articles validate that Karthika Vaidyanathan is a playback singer. The parts that are not referenced are her childhood and awards won before she went professional. These details can be deleted, as I could not find references to them (got this from a primary source).
- I don't believe the points you've stated validate deletion of the page. I would request you to suggest omissions based on lack of references and not a complete deletion. Kgovindan27 (talk) 06:55, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Kgovindan27: No. This is a WP:BLP. References need to be in-depth, independent and reliable. They need to be WP:SECONDARY. That example above is a classic example of a passing mention. There information there. Nothing. On WP:BLP it states "Wikipedia must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources". There is nothing here. If you WP:THREE secondary sources, post them up so they can be viewed and analysed to prove the person is notable. scope_creepTalk 08:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Per long established consensus having a single award makes you notable, but doesn't guarantee an article. It needs several good WP:SECONDARY to prove the person is notable. scope_creepTalk 08:07, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- @Kgovindan27: No. This is a WP:BLP. References need to be in-depth, independent and reliable. They need to be WP:SECONDARY. That example above is a classic example of a passing mention. There information there. Nothing. On WP:BLP it states "Wikipedia must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources". There is nothing here. If you WP:THREE secondary sources, post them up so they can be viewed and analysed to prove the person is notable. scope_creepTalk 08:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, The Story! (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable indie band. The only (possibly) non-primary source in this article is a thread on now-defunct website “AbsolutePunk”, which doesn’t seem to be archived anywhere. Since AbsolutePunk had a forum section, it’s also possible that the post was user-generated rather than official content, which would make it unreliable. (If anyone can confirm this or figure out what the post was, let me know)
Cannot find evidence of WP:SIGCOV, and seems to fail WP:NMUSIC ApexParagon (talk) 02:27, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete There a passing mention here calling the subject a local band. There does not appear to be sufficient evidence available to meet WP:BAND. ResonantDistortion 09:26, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Per ResonantDistortion's conclusion. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 07:25, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. VortexPhantom🔥 (talk) 11:34, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete This probably meets WP:GARAGEBAND since it lacks significant coverage and we cannot include every band ever. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 18:21, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
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Seems to be just a cover band. Sources listed in article are all local, routine coverage. After a google search, not seeing enough sources to justify WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 01:53, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
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One AllMusic review and some local news about one of the members from decades later does not seems like substantial coverage to me, and I didn't find anything else. Not sure if it'd be a likely search term, but I probably wouldn't oppose a redirect to "One of the Girls" if the votes land that way. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:51, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Worth noting that there was a prior AfD in 2008 that ended in a keep, though it was a weak one with only two respondents, one of whom only said the article may be readded in the future anyway as their reason for keeping. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 04:55, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Keep: I found three good sources with relatively SIGCOV ([1], [2], and [3]). If can get plus ~1-2 sources it would a definite keep from me. —LastJabberwocky (talk) 05:58, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Can't access the third one because my web security is blocking it, but I will give you the first for sure. The second is brief but the coverage looks good as well. It'd be a tight squeeze, but maybe there's an article to be made from this. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 13:13, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Some more minor coverage her: [4] [5] [6] Geschichte (talk) 19:53, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as I think there is enough reliable sources coverage identified in this discussion such as the Washington Post, AllMusic, and magazines for a pass of WP:GNG in my view. The third source listed by LastJabberwocky is archived here, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:28, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:55, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep No indication of a WP:BEFORE from the nominator. Quick search indicates significant coverage in The Quietus here, two staff reviews on Allmusic, [7]&[8], album of the month in The Guardian [9], and bylined gig review in the York Press here. ResonantDistortion 08:04, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. Also coverage in Loud and Quiet [10] [11] etc. Geschichte (talk) 20:08, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as per the multiple reliable sources identified in this discussion such as the Guardian, the Quitus, Loud and Quiet, AllMusic and others so that WP:GNG is passed and deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 22:20, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
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Lack of notability Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 02:59, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment The subject appears to meet WP:MUSICBIO#12 "featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or television network". See BBC R6 2018, BBC R3 2018, and BBC R3 2019. ResonantDistortion 06:54, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: More sources with SIGCOV [12], https://www.popmatters.com/the-turbans-riders-premiere-2544706825.html], [13], [14], [15]. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 13:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Easily passes WP:GNG. Nominators need to do a WP:BEFORE search, not just make a decision based on what is in the article. Edwardx (talk) 18:48, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
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This promotional article on an actress and social media "personality" (influencer) fails WP:GNG and WP:NACTRESS. While it seems that her TikTok is popular, popularity is not a guarantee of notability. A BEFORE search only finds social media posts, IMDb, user submitted content, and fluffy trivial coverage. There may be a COI present (which in itself is not a reason for deletion) as the editor who created it has a user name that is the same as the subject's mother's name (which is mentioned in the article.) That may be purely coincidental, however they also shot the photo used in the article which seems to indicate a connection. It seems to be WP:TOOSOON for this emerging actor. Netherzone (talk) 17:43, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete as per argument above plus the only sources are from user-generated content so almost as bad or worse as citing other Wikipedia pages. Afonso Dimas Martins (talk) 18:49, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete WP:BEFORE search finds no sources on her from generally reliable sources; the few articles on her are hardly enough to establish notability as of now. jolielover♥talk 18:58, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete, too soon if this subject is actually prominent in the future. -Samoht27 (talk) 19:43, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete. I completely agree the subject doesn't meet WP:NACTRESS. The Sophocrat (talk) 23:22, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - per nom. ロドリゲス恭子 (talk) 15:38, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete It seems like this is a case of WP:TOOSOON. There seems to be a few RSes but a lot of sources being used that do not qualify as RSes. Once there are more sources supporting it, it should be included. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 16:29, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete .. Has prospects but right now, notability requirements are missing.Maltuguom (talk) 19:57, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete WP:NACTOR fails but worse it looks like promo. Delete this. Iljhgtn (talk) 06:38, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- The Briks (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I'm not seeing enough sources to meet notability standards. Maybe a music-related editor might know of more sources? JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 16:51, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. 🦅White-tailed eagleTalk to the eagleStalking eagle 17:44, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete literally a garage band, read Wikipedia:No one cares about your garage band. (I'm aware of the humor tag) -- no significant claims to notability. AnonymousScholar49 (talk) 00:22, 3 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete I was leaning towards delete, but then when I read, Wikipedia:No one cares about your garage band (funny by the way), that sealed the deal for my vote. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 16:37, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
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No indication of significance. Single refs doesn't contain his name (at the end of doc). Fails WP:NSINGER, WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. scope_creepTalk 07:25, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Redirect to Merited Artist of Ukraine – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 13:12, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- It would then be eligible for WP:RFD since Brunsky is not mentioned at that page Geschichte (talk) 04:54, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
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Fails WP:BAND, was unable to find any form of significant for inclusion. They also seem to have been nominated and deleted previously, and judging from the nomination that time, there doesnt seem to much of an improvement this time around. No charting album, not on a notable label, no inclusion in any big publication. In fact most of their 'press' seems to just come from underground metal online tabloids like Metal Injection and MetalSucks, like many others of this bands size. Searching their name just brings up the usual for underground metal acts such as LastFM or Sputnikmusic mostly. Lil Happy Lil Sad :): 05:08, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep There is plenty of coverage. Not everything, especially for bands from smaller countries will be instantly on the front of major news outlets, which does not discredit their notability. The majority of the coverage on them has been published since the first deletion as well. Seacactus 13 (talk) 04:10, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment so you edited the page since the delete nomination with this edit with the summary "Maybe actually look past page 1 of Google search results". What am I missing here? Obscure webzines/blogs in Italian and Danish? That's the big comeback with verifiable sources? User-created blogs and webzines are generally not reliable sources. You claim "There is plenty of coverage. Not everything, especially for bands from smaller countries will be instantly on the front of major news outlets, which does not discredit their notability", which is fine when it comes to small metal bands due to their appearances on verifiable publications like Revolver or Kerrang etc. yet I still dont see any noteworthy sources like those. All that's mostly used on the article are metal webzines, which anyone can create and maintain - and are generally disallowed per wp:USERG — Lil Happy Lil Sad :): 06:58, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
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Coverage is simple fact-check sources and routine coverage. No lasting notability that I can find Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 13:23, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete - Searching is tough due to his common name, but a targeted search in conjunction with some of his theories reveals that he is only present in his own online manifestos and occasionally mentioned by similarly-inclined kooks. I suggest that he formulate a new theory on how he does not qualify for a Wikipedia article because the lamestream media conspired to never report on his theories because they can't handle the truth. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:42, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to 2020 United States presidential election#Campaign issues – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 12:37, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
- That is only a viable ATD if he is mentioned at the target article, and he isn't. Just one of thousands who contributed to that tomfoolery, and even less notable than most. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 00:01, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
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I couldn't verify the "international #1" claim. If such a claim is false, this page clearly fails WP:BAND. ThaesOfereode (talk) 18:42, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment. Chart history. Coverage of single. Coverage of album. Geschichte (talk) 09:50, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- For instance, the third hit in the single search is about Brothers acquiring a gold record. Geschichte (talk) 07:33, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep- Per WP:BAND if you have Top 100 song in any country chart then you qualify.Darkm777 (talk) 01:58, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
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Seems like a nice chap, but not notable.
The external sources are two 20-year-old listicles that mention him in passing alongside a number of acts that don’t have their own pages, the rest are his own website/tweets/self-produced content.
No clear evidence of charting songs/awards/other significant recognition.
His most popular songs & videos never cracked 100,000 views on YouTube, with the majority below 1,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marchantiophyta (talk • contribs) 02:29, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment He went on to lead the group MJ Hibbett & the Validators. AllMusic staff written album reviews here, here, and here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:20, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Keep meets WP:MUSICBIO#1. As well as the Allmusic coverage cited above, and the references presently in the article, there's an RS critical review from the BBC here, and many hits on ProQuest such as this one. ResonantDistortion 23:42, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
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Current sourcing is comprised of two brief mentions of this working audio engineer. Definitely accomplished, but searches did not turn up enough in-depth references from independent, reliable sources to show they pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 TT me 15:35, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
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Opposed to deletion: Studio audio engineers like Nuccio Rinaldis, fulcrums of the discography in Italy with their constant work in pursuit of "vocal and instrumental sound perfection" (from the first to the last note down to mixing) in front of recording desks alongside proven successful artists with millions of records sold and million-dollar turns of business, have no media sponsors to pull from to retrieve sources. But this is not a culturally significant reason to propose deletion of the entry. The works done, widely historicized, are the equivalent of reliable sources. --CoolJazz5 (talk) 12:52, 27 April 2025 (UTC)
- Today's date added bibliography. --CoolJazz5 (talk) 10:34, 29 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete or merge with Mina, not notable outside of his work with the singer. Also, the previous comment claiming "producing successful records is equivalent to reliable sources" is hilarious lol
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- Bahnus (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Failed WP:GNG, WP:COMPOSER, and WP:BANDMEMBER with no significant coverage from WP:BEFORE other than passing mentions — Paper9oll (🔔 • 📝) 12:47, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment. I wonder if something here could be rescued by rewriting this into an article about the music group or the scandal itself? This Korean source, cited in the article, states that "the plagiarism suspicions surrounding singer Lee Hyo-ri's album, which had been causing a stir in the music industry for a month, have been partially confirmed to be true, causing a huge backlash. The expression 'the greatest plagiarism fraud case' is also appearing." This suggests that there are other sources out there - and also, that the article focus should be on the scandal, not the individual (who seems not very notable - we don't even have their birth date or pretty much anything about their life outside this scandal). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:53, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
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Previously deleted as failing WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 02:18, 26 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete Fails WP:NMUSIC. LibStar (talk) 05:03, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Info (band) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:NBAND, promotional, no reliable sources to support. Closest thing I could find directly about the band was a merch site [16]. GoldRomean (talk) 19:10, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment: Well, I edited it a couple hours ago, and conjured only these three sources ([17], [18], [19]) by typing "Colombia" and "INFO" and "metal". Couldn't find anything on their albums. Potentially leaning towards weak keep, but we need plus ~1 source. LastJabberwocky (talk) 19:25, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Leaning towards keep. —LastJabberwocky (talk) 13:37, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete An obscure band among a million bands. Yesterday, all my dreams... (talk) 22:59, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
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This article fails notabillity guidelines for musicians, and also violates WP:NOTMEMORIAL. It does not cite any sources and is very short. AnonymousScholar49 (talk) 14:48, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
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- support agree with reasoning Czarking0 (talk) 17:07, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I find it hard to believe he's not notable... Indexed in SIX national libraries, the VIAF. Gnewspapers brings up many hits, Gbooks has hits on his name from the 1930s to the present. The VIAF link has two biographical links in German. Oaktree b (talk) 23:07, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Album review here [20] Oaktree b (talk) 23:28, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment the German wikipedia article has some book references that look reliable here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:02, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Comment I think it is very likely that he is notable, but it is not going to be easy to find reviews of his concert performances or recordings (although Oaktree b has already found one on jstor). Some do come up on a Google Books search, eg Fanfare (14/1-2:263) and The Gramophone (52/613-618:536), but they have only snippet views, so can't be used as sources. Finding hard copies from that era would probably need access to a very large library. Apart from reviews, Discogs shows multiple albums released by the Musical Heritage Society and by a German label called Da Camera Magna. I realise that Discogs is not reliable, but it gives album names and label numbers which can be searched for elsewhere - and does suggest that he meets WP:MUSICBIO#5. I have added some sources to the article, and removed the unsourced tag. I'll see what else I can find. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:13, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: Reviewing comments and additional links presented here suggests that nom. criteria for deletion is not met. Can be tagged for additional sources and enhanced by translating from the German article. Komodo (talk) 06:45, 9 May 2025 (UTC)
- Michael Polansky (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This article fails WP:GNG with flying colors. First, notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. If you remove the relationship this person has with Lady Gaga, then you would be hard pressed to find anything written about them. The subject may be accomplished, but there are absolutely no independent, reliable sources speaking on the subject in a way that isn’t mere mention. How can the CEO of a company have their own article before the company they are the CEO of is even notable enough for its own article? Marry Lady Gaga? Doesn’t meet the notability requirement. Brickto (talk) 08:03, 24 April 2025 (UTC)— Brickto (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of 9t5 (talk · contribs). GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 07:11, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete his business ventures get vastly overshadowed by a relationship with Gaga and (to a lesser extent) the songs they wrote together. Little to none of the publicity this guy gets is focused on individual merits, and the more I think about this, the harder it becomes to find any credible sources on him that don't largely revolve around her and their relationship. Even pieces where Polansky is a central topic devote more attention to that part of him than anything else. Having a romance or even marriage to a famous person doesn't automatically entitle someone to a page, so I'm inclined to think we have a failure of WP:BIO here. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 12:19, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per GNG and CREATIVE. Seems obvious to me the subject has been profiled in multiple reliable sources. Sources like this are specifically focused on him and his accomplishments. He has co-written a dozen or so songs that have charted and no one is suggesting he is only notable because of his relationship with Lady Gaga. This biography should be expanded, not deleted. ---Another Believer (Talk) 12:45, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Delete - At least for now, I agree with the nominator. Note that every single one of the 16 sources currently used in the article have Lady Gaga's name in their titles, but only a few have Polansky's name. The same is true of the Billboard article found by the last voter. Beyond that article, I can find nothing else about his business ventures or songwriting that is not dependent on his connection with Lady Gaga. WP:NOTINHERITED is the obvious guideline here, unless he emerges as the topic of additional dedicated news coverage in the future. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:52, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Just because an article title includes "Lady Gaga" doesn't mean the reporting is not focused on the subject. Of course writers are going to sneak "Lady Gaga" into the title in an attempt to increase readership. There are many Wikipedia biographies for songwriters who have (co)/authored many songs that have charted. ---Another Believer (Talk) 13:22, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- ...and then they talk about her more than him. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:10, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- We'll have to agree to disagree. Happy editing! ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:17, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
Another Believer: Lady Gaga is also the primary subject of these titles as well.. “Who is Lady Gaga's fiancé?”, “Inside Lady Gaga's love story” —— these are articles about Lady Gaga. The subject of the nominated article doesn’t become notable by being in a relationship with someone who is notable. It may seem that way due to the fact that Lady Gaga is arguably one of the most notable figures of the 21st century thus far, but it isn’t. Polansky simply is not notable enough for his own article, and it is WP:TOOSOON. Brickto (talk) 05:57, 25 April 2025 (UTC)— Brickto (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of 9t5 (talk · contribs). GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 06:24, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- ...and then they talk about her more than him. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 19:10, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep , more than enough available sources to further expand the article --Sricsi (talk) 16:45, 24 April 2025 (UTC)
Sricsi; Could you list these sources? The subject is not notable independent of his relationship with Lady Gaga. There are plenty of sources about the subject that cover him and his role in his company? I can’t find any. WP:TOOSOON Brickto (talk) 05:46, 25 April 2025 (UTC)— Brickto (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of 9t5 (talk · contribs). GreenLipstickLesbian💌🦋 06:24, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy keep: It looks good to me, and I don't fancy wasting time with a sockpuppet's nomination. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:16, 25 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per above keepers. And anyone who proposes using a blade of grass is notable per se. Randy Kryn (talk) 16:03, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete per SNUGGUMS comment, as he isn't notable in the public eye and basically a private individual who's only connection to fame is Lady Gaga; I fear that this Wikipedia article might be entrenching too much on Gaga's personal private life. PHShanghai | they/them (talk) 15:15, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- A private individual? He is attending film premieres and red carpets, and he has co-written multiple songs that have achieved tremendous chart success. ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:20, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- The only public events he appears to attend are those that involve his fiancé. Outside of that and her photos of him, we don't see much of this man photographed, and both interviews with him that I can think of are joint ones discussing Gaga's music where she also is questioned on the matter and gives comments to journalists. If we were to subtract these things, then at least compared to Ms. Germanotta here and many other celebrities, Polansky does sound rather private overall even when not completely hiding from the press or her fanbase. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 00:11, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- We'll have to agree to disagree. I still think CREATIVE outweighs the fact that perhaps he's a relatively more private person. ---Another Believer (Talk) 00:28, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- The only public events he appears to attend are those that involve his fiancé. Outside of that and her photos of him, we don't see much of this man photographed, and both interviews with him that I can think of are joint ones discussing Gaga's music where she also is questioned on the matter and gives comments to journalists. If we were to subtract these things, then at least compared to Ms. Germanotta here and many other celebrities, Polansky does sound rather private overall even when not completely hiding from the press or her fanbase. SNUGGUMS (talk / edits) 00:11, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- A private individual? He is attending film premieres and red carpets, and he has co-written multiple songs that have achieved tremendous chart success. ---Another Believer (Talk) 15:20, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- Steve Currie (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Fails WP:BAND and WP:GNG in that his notability is related primarily to membership in T Rex. References cited mention him only in passing and primarily in that connection. Should be a redirect to the band article, and lacks sufficient notability to warrant a standalone article. Geoff | Who, me? 12:13, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Redirect Per nom the sources in the article only cover currie in regards to his membership in the band or when its about his connection to Marc Bolan Scooby453w (talk) 15:30, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect to T. Rex (band). This article may have been created because other non-Bolan members of T. Rex also have their own articles, but the others have more activities of note outside the band. Currie was a longtime member during the band's most massive success, but I must agree with the nominator and previous voter on how he has little outside of the band with which to build an encyclopedic article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:51, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Untrue to say that the sources are mere mentions in passing - although all four are from Bolan/T.Rex books, they nonetheless substantially record Currie's background and career prior to joining the band. They are not quick one liners by any means. They are adequate (if similar in content to each other) and there are other examples like them e.g. The Official Marc Bolan Story by George Tremlett. (Futura 1975) or Marc Bolan:The Legendary Years by John & Shan Bramley (Gryphon 1997) Romomusicfan (talk) 20:53, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- Source one is one sentence about currie having died due to tragic circumstances source 2 is a book about marc bolan and while it says it also covers the bios of other members currie isnt listed as one of them source 3 is nother book about bolan where currie has a minor mention in it (and isnt even listed in the synopsis while other members are) to sum it all about he quite literally is not mentioned in any source that's not about the band or bolan Scooby453w (talk) 13:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- And sources 4&5? Or the above proposed 6&7?
- Granted Sources 2-5 (potentially 2-7 if Tremlett and Bramleys are added on) are all from texts about T.Rex or Bolan but they nonetheless are each of them a substantial passage (from a paragraph to a half page) detailing Currie's background and pre-Bolan career.Romomusicfan (talk) 20:39, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
- i might change my vote but Ill admit im still on the fence a little though Scooby453w (talk) 18:29, 28 April 2025 (UTC)
- Source one is one sentence about currie having died due to tragic circumstances source 2 is a book about marc bolan and while it says it also covers the bios of other members currie isnt listed as one of them source 3 is nother book about bolan where currie has a minor mention in it (and isnt even listed in the synopsis while other members are) to sum it all about he quite literally is not mentioned in any source that's not about the band or bolan Scooby453w (talk) 13:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep - I arrived from the T rex and interesting to find this 2A00:23C8:EA12:6601:7440:9D09:8B46:CF19 (talk) 21:24, 5 May 2025 (UTC)
- Redirect is fine. Bearian (talk) 20:54, 4 May 2025 (UTC)
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- It's ok by me. No offense taken. Bearian (talk) 10:51, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not persuaded that a separate article is warranted per WP:BAND. I'm still in favour of a redirect absent a biographical profile such as a book focused solely on Currie's work apart from and with T Rex, as everything published that mentions him springs primarily from and about his work with T Rex. Geoff | Who, me? 12:20, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- I will stick with my vote to redirect. It is true that the cited books have some additional info on Currie's early life, but that info is not particularly notable in its own right and there is not enough significant coverage of his non-T.Rex acitivites. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:02, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- I think people can check out some of the sources themselves and make their own decision rather than needing to find my argument persuasive. I do feel it was incorrect to characterise them as "mention him only in passing " - they are more substantial than that. Romomusicfan (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
- I will stick with my vote to redirect. It is true that the cited books have some additional info on Currie's early life, but that info is not particularly notable in its own right and there is not enough significant coverage of his non-T.Rex acitivites. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:02, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Shannon Durig (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Doesn't seem to have enough sources with SIGCOV. I found this with sparse coverage, this with moderate coverage, and this. LastJabberwocky (talk) 09:31, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment, there is a ton of coverage in the Kansas City Star, see [21], [22], [23]. I think that's one element of an ideal three to establish GNG. Will see if I can find dig up more. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:22, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
- The New York Daily News also published a two page spread upon her 1,000th performance. I'm still probably at a Weak delete, but maybe someone else will find a bit more coverage. Maybve there is a world where this could be redirected to the musical's article, but her name isn't really there in any substantial way right now. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:37, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep - Identified coverage meets WP:N policy requirements - significant coverage in multiple (two) reliable sources. ~Kvng (talk) 00:16, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- The NYDN is an interview, so we really only have one independent, reliable source so far, imv. Eddie891 Talk Work 06:30, 1 May 2025 (UTC)
- Delete This article lacks sufficient sources, on the other hand, it needs to expand the mentioned page as well.110 and 135 (talk) 06:22, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Delete: I can only find trivial mentions of her [24], or [25]. I don't see enough coverage beyond being named in the article. Oaktree b (talk) 13:02, 8 May 2025 (UTC)
- The Bedridden (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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This was flagged since 2007, although the citations template was removed without improvement [26]. There is only one source on the page and that is just a reference to playing a song on a radio show. Searches show almost nothing. I found a reference to a saying attributed to them (wrongly), and some primary sourcing but I cannot find any independent reliable secondary sourced coverage of this non notable band. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:33, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Comment: The band has this good coverage and this article mentions a Rock 'n' Roll City: Adelaide Babylon, which promises to elaborate on The Bedridden, but I don't have access to the book to confirm. It feels like a weak delete, but it still needs another good sources to keep the article. LastJabberwocky (talk) 15:41, 22 April 2025 (UTC)
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- https://oa.anu.edu.au/obituary/ward-barnaby-charles-13976
- It is Baterz' obituary, published in dB Magazine, an Adelaide based reputable street press (https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/catalog/2803467) 149.167.27.78 (talk) 01:30, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- And another Baterz' obituary article from The Canberra Times mentions The Bedridden:
- https://oa.anu.edu.au/obituary/ward-barnaby-charles-13976/text24895
- Both these obituaries, although not the original copies from the original publications, have been collected by the Australian National University's Obituary Australia (https://oa.anu.edu.au) 149.167.27.78 (talk) 01:39, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- An article from the Canberra Times about the Bedridden:
- https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/126976895?searchTerm=Baterz 149.167.27.78 (talk) 02:09, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- An article from Australian publication (print and online) Beat about a Bedridden compilation:
- https://beat.com.au/the-bedridden-gorilla-gorilla-gorilla/ 149.167.27.78 (talk) 02:39, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
- Comment With two obituaries (dB Magazine and The Canberra Times) and the Canberra Times and Beat articles, it looks like there's enough to keep something. Whether that's an article about The Bedridden, or an article about Baterz, I'm not sure. (Btw, I found several gig listings for "Baterz Bedridden".) There's also something in Overland in 2002, of which I can only see a snippet [27] - perhaps another obit? The book Rock 'n' roll city. Part two, Adelaide Babylon seems to be only in a few libraries in South Australia, so would need someone there to check it out. RebeccaGreen (talk) 05:42, 6 May 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for this. The book, Rock 'n' roll city, part two, Adelaide Babylon is not available in any library service I can access, but I notice that it is self published by the author, Eric Algra. Algra is a photographer, and so I would expect that this volume contains photography - an image of the band - but not SIGCOV. Neither would it be a WP:RS as it would be self published by someone who is not an established expert in the field of music. Any information it contained about the band would likely have come directly from them or their publishing material. So I think it is out on a number of counts. Obituaries are often not independent, but in any case they would support (or not) a page on Baterz. I don't see SIGCOV on the band in (Smith, 2002). There is a bit more in (Jones, 2002). The piece in the Canberra Times is primary. The piece in Beat is secondary though. It's all pretty marginal. Can we make a page from The Beat piece and the Jones obit? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:25, 7 May 2025 (UTC)
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- Grant Michaels (songwriter) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Promotional tone, failed verifications, more citations needed... in the end, may not meet the notability standards. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 18:06, 20 April 2025 (UTC)
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- Hi. Please note that Grant Michaels is listed as a writer on the Banners' song "Someone To You" on its entry, which chartered to no. 11 on Billboard's Adult Top 40 and Hot Rock & Alternative Songs charts and is credited in the Wikipedia entry for the song. He is also credited as a writer on Sia's "Dressed in Black" on her 1,000 Forms of Fear which charted to no. 1 the US Billboard 200. He is credited on the credits list in the entry. Among his other credits, he is again listed on the songs for Descendants 2 (Soundtrack). My understanding is that he meets the requirements of notability as a musical artist. I've also attempted to address the issue of promotional tone when it was returned to draft with a rewrite, but am open any help regarding addressing that issue.
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