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Scotland

Angus Maclaine

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Fails WP:NBASIC. Only claim to notability seems to be as (presumptive?) holder of a hereditary title. Holders of such titles are not automatically notable. Only other claim to notability seems to be as founder/exec of a 100-person advertising company. There are no sources to support the bulk of the article text (raising significant WP:BLP issues) or establish notability. The only source in the article is a single trivial passing mention. The only sources in the original revision were this passing mention, and the subject's own LinkedIn page and company website. I cannot find any independent/indepth coverage. (Note that title was previously BLPPROD declined by original author (after adding LinkedIn/company website sources). And A7 declined based on existence of two similar articles(?).) Guliolopez (talk) 09:16, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Grant Scott

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Doesn't meet notability WP:Notability Se7enNationArmy2024 (talk) 18:00, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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del per WP:SIGCOV. The "SWPL Manager of the Year" is an "in-house" distinction of doubtful notability effect. --Altenmann >talk 18:23, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 18:41, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep were any searches for sources done? I found several. BBC, Edinburgh Reporter, Edinburgh Reporter 2, BBC 2, BBC 3, BBC 4, Edinburgh News, Glaswgow World, Sky Sports Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 19:39, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- were any searches for sources done? Yes - Q back: were any evaluations of sources done? . The the first two of yours are about "SWPL Manager of the Year" and no in-depth coverage beyond "how great a coach he is", i.e. IMHO no SIGCOV. --Altenmann >talk 20:36, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  I did a search before nominating and came to the same conclusion. Se7enNationArmy2024 (talk) 22:07, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep per sources above which (just about) show notability. Giant Snowman 18:17, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ranald Leask

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We're not Linkedin and I can't find sigcov. Jay Cubby 00:46, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete WP:BEFORE search finds close to no sources on him, all just brief mentions from over a decade ago. Fails WP:GNG. jolielover♥talk 06:50, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 01:47, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I found nothing except sources where he was being cited as a spokesperson. Seems very unlikely to be notable. MCE89 (talk) 16:15, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Herbert Lindesay Watson Wemyss

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Subject appears not to meet WP:BIO. The article text says only that he was a Scottish physician. I read through the first cited source [1], an obituary that gives a fairly complete picture of his life, and I don't see anything in there that would meet WP:BIO. —Bkell (talk) 13:32, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I can only pull up the obituary as well [2]. Published some papers, but this was before h-factors were a thing, so I don't think we can prove academic notability. Oaktree b (talk) 01:40, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: his work on polycythemia vera and remodelling of bone in chronic kidney disease is notable. He also has two obituaries: one in the Endinburgh Medial Journal and another in the British Medical Journal. Whispyhistory (talk) 18:41, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1977 Wigtown District Council election

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Taking to AfD over PROD because hard to find sources. I could not find anything from searches in this seemingly small district area. Rationale is a non-notable election in a local area Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 03:04, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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"Hard to find sources," such is the way with Scottish local elections. https://www.electionscentre.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Scottish-District-Elections-1977.pdf contains the results to the election. As with the 1980 page, I guess ward results, or a newspaper article from the time could also be included. These elections, although small in electors, are very important to Scotland's political story, especially in rural areas. Scotland's rural areas have a history of voting for non-partisan local independents, that is only now being challenged. SpeysideWikipedian (talk) 10:51, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I should note I am willing to improve these pages, if that is what you are getting at... SpeysideWikipedian (talk) 10:52, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@SpeysideWikipedian sources should indicate significant and lasting coverage, which is important with local elections more than anything. Not every small election necessarily deserves a page. Feel free to improve the article with coverage that shows that, but primary sources with only results would not count towards that. This applies to your comment on the other AfD too Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 13:49, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Still, I do not think that is a valid reason to delete this page. Leave the page up and myself and others can improve them. Leave it with a needs sources tag and people such as @Stevie fae Scotland will help improve them I'm sure. SpeysideWikipedian (talk) 18:33, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If I was to improve every pre 1995 local election page with a similar structure + ward results + newspaper/article as 1974 Tweeddale District Council election would that be sufficient? SpeysideWikipedian (talk) 18:36, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not even that page shows significant coverage meeting GNG in my opinion Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 18:38, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, work needs done for every page is what I am saying, this is a large project. SpeysideWikipedian (talk) 18:41, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

my argument is not every one of these small elections deserves a page. They could also be merged into a wider local election page Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 18:45, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting thought. Where would you draw the line though? Does each Glaswegian council election deserve its own page just because more people happen to live in Glasgow? How would such a move to a single page be implemented? SpeysideWikipedian (talk) 18:54, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a precedent for this elsewhere? If the only way these results can be preserved on the wiki is for a mass merger to happen then surely there is an example from another country perhaps? SpeysideWikipedian (talk) 18:57, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps also a wider discussion amongst other local election editors is needed too. SpeysideWikipedian (talk) 19:01, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not entirely sure of other precedent, but it is a solution since these small elections are seemingly not notable on their own. Going on WP:NOTDATABASE, just because there are results available for something, does not mean that it deserves a page of it's own. A merge to a page for elections, in this case to a 1977 Scottish local elections in Dumfries and Galloway page would potentially establish notability for all these elections as a whole Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 19:15, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Would need more input from others before deciding. If that is the way to establish notability I am happy to merge lesser notable pages into a regional district results page. SpeysideWikipedian (talk) 19:21, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This isn't like a parish council election in England, the district elections were covered in the national press because of their importance. I unfortunately don't have access to the British Newspaper Archive any more but a simple search without even looking at any pages shows the importance of the district elections at the time - it was front page news. The results for individual district councils were carried in national newspapers. Unfortunately, the BNA doesn't have any papers from Dumfries and Galloway in May 1977 to further establish notability but it would be the same level of coverage you would expect for any of the current unitary authorities. For comparison with the most recent local elections in the UK, this district council is on a par with the 164 district councils at 2024 United Kingdom local elections#District councils, all of which have their own article (I know WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not an argument to keep an article but the implication here is that all of those plus every other district council election in the UK are not notable and a simple WP:BEFORE will show that's not the case). Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 08:23, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I second this. It should probably be kept. SpeysideWikipedian (talk) 21:45, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1980 Wigtown District Council election

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Seemingly completely uncontested election that I could not find substantitive info on through searches, only vague references. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 03:05, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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"Seemingly completely uncontested election"? Some of the wards were contested, just not by members of a formal political party, only by independents. Having only independents standing was pretty common in rural areas in Scotland throughout this time period. Perhaps ward results could be added to indicate that some wards were contested.

I understand there is limited sources available, but https://www.electionscentre.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Scottish-District-Elections-1980.pdfcontains the results to the election. Probably also included in regional/national newspapers of the time but, alas, most archives are locked behind a paywall.

Therefore, I think it should be kept, unless you want to also delete most other Scottish local election pages, for rural areas, from after the reorganisation to ~1995. SpeysideWikipedian (talk) 10:43, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is not presumed coverage for local elections of small municipality areas, especially uncontested ones Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 16:17, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Regional newspapers would have something if not result coverage from the time. I managed to find coverage about Moray Council results from 1984, albeit Moray is larger. Obviously would take time to do this every page but would be possible. SpeysideWikipedian (talk) 18:40, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - This isn't like a parish council election in England, the district elections were covered in the national press because of their importance. I unfortunately don't have access to the British Newspaper Archive any more but a simple search without even looking at any pages shows the importance of the district elections at the time - it was front page news. The results for individual district councils were carried in national newspapers. Unfortunately, the BNA doesn't have any papers from Dumfries and Galloway in May 1980 to further establish notability but it would be the same level of coverage you would expect for any of the current unitary authorities. For comparison with the most recent local elections in the UK, this district council is on a par with the 164 district councils at 2024 United Kingdom local elections#District councils, all of which have their own article (I know WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not an argument to keep an article but the implication here is that all of those plus every other district council election in the UK are not notable and a simple WP:BEFORE will show that's not the case). Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 08:26, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I second this. It should probably be kept. SpeysideWikipedian (talk) 21:44, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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