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Woolf (band)

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Fan page on ultra obscure band. No social media, no streaming. Note tag. Refs are profiles and interviews. Nothing of significance. Fails WP:NBAND. scope_creep^Talk 21:16, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Devdutta Manisha Baji

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. I removed a ton of unsourced content but even what is left is just mentions and a lot of those are WP:NEWSORGINDIA. CNMall41 (talk) 16:48, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi @CNMall41,
Firstly, thank you for reviewing the page. Every notice is a new learning experience for me, and I have carefully gone through your comments.
- Please forgive me if I have not used the correct Wikipedia technical terms. I usually use generic terminology to convey points, though I do try to follow Wikipedia guidelines as best as I can.
Regarding the Devdutta article: I won't claim he is notable without basis, and though I wrote the article, I’m not approaching it with bias. I would like to present a logical, reference-based defense for my work. Beyond that, you all are the experts, and I trust your decision.
Let me address the points one by one:
1. WP:NEWSORGINDIA
Since I don’t know the subject personally, I cannot confirm whether he or his production houses paid for the articles referenced. I used sources that I found available online. Therefore, I have no comment on their promotional nature. If you have any suggestions or tools to help identify whether a link is paid/promotional, that would be really helpful for my future articles.
2. Removal of Unsourced Data
Yes, he is also a singer. I found his name listed on the music apps I use, and also in Wikipedia film tables where he is credited for singing. However, I remember a previous admin mentioning that a Wikipedia article cannot be used as a reference for another Wikipedia article. So, I didn’t cite them. And since platforms like Spotify or JioSaavn are not accepted as references, I couldn’t use those either. Thank you for cleaning up the unsourced information. It would be great if you could guide me on how to properly cite chartbusters or music credits.
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Defense Based on WP:NMUSICIAN
I’ve reviewed the WP:NMUSICIAN guidelines, and I believe the subject meets the criteria for notability for the following reasons:
a) WP:MUSICIAN - Point 2
This mentions having a single or album on a national chart. His song “Raja Ala” from Pawankhind was a chartbuster. I’m slightly confused because, in India, songs are mostly part of film soundtracks, unlike in Hollywood where albums and movies are more separate. Still, this subject has composed music for high-budget Marathi films, and several of his songs have been popular.
b) WP:MUSICIAN - Point 3
This point seems a bit biased, as it references RIAA certification and Yahoo Music ratings. Indian music directors typically aren't evaluated through such systems. How, then, can Indian subjects qualify under this criterion?
c) WP:MUSICIAN - Point 4
Again, this seems tilted toward Western norms. Indian music directors primarily work in film, and their recognition usually comes through movie soundtracks, not necessarily through concerts. Concerts are secondary.
d) WP:MUSICIAN - Point 5
I believe the subject qualifies here. His music albums have been released under Zee Music, a reputed label with over 10 years in the industry. Zee itself is a well-established brand.
e) WP:MUSICIAN - Awards (e.g., Grammy, Academy)
This also feels biased, as these awards are region-specific. In India, we have our own recognized awards like Filmfare and state-level honors such as Nandi Awards. The subject has received several regional awards and was also nominated for Filmfare Marathi, which I’ve mentioned in the article. Therefore, I believe he satisfies this condition too.
Finally, I’d like to share that I’m just a movie buff. With the rise of OTT platforms, language barriers have started to fade, and I’ve found myself exploring cinema beyond my native language. I initially began writing about Telugu movies, but then I found inspiration in my mentor and brother @Jayanthkumar123, who was actively contributing articles for Telugu cinema. Later, I saw @DareshMohan bro contributing valuable content for Kannada films.
That’s when I realized there’s a real need to work on communities like Marathi, Odia, Punjabi, and Bengaliwhere even native-language contributors are very few. I wanted to help bridge that gap and bring more visibility to regional cinema and artists who truly deserve recognition.
Regarding the issue of paid articles: it’s evident that well-established personalities or large production houses can easily pay to get featured in newspapers and portals—eventually leading to the creation of a Wikipedia article even before the film’s release.
On the other hand, subjects who lack financial resources and media exposure often have their pages deleted for “lack of citations.” This feels like an unfortunate imbalance, and I hope we can find fairer ways to address it.
My final input regarding this article is that the subject is notable. He has composed quality music and has several popular songs that have performed well on music apps within the Marathi industry. He is regarded as one of the top music directors in that space.
My suggestion would be to remove any unsourced content and improve the article in alignment with Wikipedia guidelines. Beyond that, I leave the final decision to the experienced editors—admins, rollbackers @Ab207, and others in the community hierarchy.
Thank you for this opportunity to learn and grow. Every review is a valuable learning experience for me. - Herodyswaroop (talk) 18:35, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Grey Kanfield

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Does not meet WP:BIO. Coverage appears to be limited to an interview with band members and a piece mentioning when they left the band. (I did check under their birth name as well.) Would be best as a redirect to Vial (band), since all coverage is tightly tied to the band. — Moriwen (talk) 15:06, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect - to the band per WP:BANDMEMBER. ⁂CountHacker (talk) 20:49, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Robertas Lozinskis

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Potentially notable pianist. No social media, no streaming. Fails WP:MUSICBIO, WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 13:00, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I can only find articles about performances given, such as Source 7 now in the article. Those aren't enough to show notability. An interview is about all I find. Not enough sourcing for an article. Oaktree b (talk) 14:29, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, confirms what I found. Lots of performance information, tickets and so on. scope_creep^Talk 18:42, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Elsie Lovelock

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Fails WP:GNG with no independent sources that I can find. The only significant role of this voice actress is in SMG4, a web series. Clarityfiend (talk) 08:46, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Should be able to find plenty of sources Servite et contribuere (talk) 10:18, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Now would be the time to do so, if you wish to see the article be kept. It's not enough to just baselessly state that "sources must exist" somewhere out there. Sergecross73 msg me 10:49, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I could not locate enough reliable sources to establish notability. The only other source I found was a brief quote in an IGN article about AI. Esw01407 (talk) 12:24, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Totally unreferenced stub with list of unreferenced WP:MILL credits. Nothing would be lost by deleting this. If anyone ever finds any significant coverage of this person, they will be able to write a much better article. -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:53, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Lawrence Udeigwe

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The subject of this article does not meet any criterion outlined in WP:MUSICBIO and WP:NACADEMIC. The article is filled with press releases and sources not independent of him. A Google search of the subject doesn't bring up significant coverage in secondary sources. Moreover, none of the subject's music has been discussed in reliable sources. Versace1608 ^{Wanna Talk?} 16:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Like the nominator I have some concern with the mostly tabloid-y nature of the sources covering his music. As an academic he sounds quite promising but it would still be a case of WP:TOO SOON on that basis. Leonstojka (talk) 17:11, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sulekha Ali

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Semi-advertorialized WP:BLP of a musician, not properly sourced as having any strong claim to passing WP:NMUSIC. The attempted notability claim here is two "hit" singles not supported by any verifiable evidence that either song ever actually charted on any IFPI-certified charts — but since music promoters have a tendency to indiscriminately ascribe "hit" status to any song that an artist wants to highlight in their PR kit, we can't just take the word "hit" as a notability lock in and of itself without proper sourcing for it. But otherwise, this is strictly on the level of "she is a musician who exists", and is supported solely by a single deadlinked article on Digital Journal, a user-generated "citizen journalism" platform where anybody can submit any self-created public relations "news" they want to, which thus doesn't count as GNG-building coverage — and even if we ignored all that and accepted it anyway, it would still take more than just one source to pass GNG regardless.
Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable without much better sourcing for it than this. Bearcat (talk) 15:39, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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T. Frederick Candlyn

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Organist and choirmaster. No significant coverage in secondary sources and I don't see how his role at St Thomas Episcopal makes him automatically notable.

Worth mentioning that even within the limited category of organists who took an external music degree at Durham University, Candlyn does not compare that well to others e.g. I don't think he was ever a Fellow of the Royal College of Organists, a full professor of music, or the recipient of a government award (like Order of the British Empire, or an American equivalent) Leonstojka (talk) 14:34, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Prateek Pachauri

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Most sources are minor mentions or routine coverage, insufficient for a standalone entry under WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. Chronos.Zx (talk) 02:14, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment As per available references which do not support subject's notability, fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. Rajeev Gaur123 (talk) 13:06, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Fanger

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Fails WP:GNG, WP:NMUSICIAN and WP:NBUSINESSPERSON. He played in obscure article-less bands and founded a "local removals company". Clarityfiend (talk) 00:14, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Subject does appear to have been something of a "local legend", but, a tad reluctantly, I have to agree with the nomination. Having undertaken several searches, including via TWL, I'm unable to find evidence the subject meets any notability guidelines. ResonantDis_tortion 10:22, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Agree with the above. If we were Bristolpedia, he'd be in, but he doesn't meet the threshold for Wikipedia. Leonstojka (talk) 14:38, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Misty Love

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Singer who fails WP:MUSICBIO. Most sources are artist's own website, with tangential mentions in album credits. One source is minor coverage in local media article. I don't see any in-depth coverage of subject in reliable secondary sources. Rift (talk) 18:54, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Bahd Man Niko

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Fails WP:NMUSICIAN. No significant coverage to show GNG either. CNMall41 (talk) 20:13, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sheila Surban

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Non-notable per WP:MUSIC. There are no reliable sources to support any statements in the article. The article's creator is likely the subject of the article. — doclys (❀) 17:32, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Per WP:MUSIC or WP:ENT: no major awards, no songs in national charts, not certified gold, haven't won or placed in national competitions or any other notability requisite. No SIGCOV to meet WP:NBIO either. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 19:25, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oloko Shapico

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Does not meet GNG and SNG WP:MUSICBIO Uncle Bash007 (talk) 08:31, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Clearly fails WP:MUSICBIO or WP:COMPOSER and in general, WP:GNG. A cursory search turned Oloko Shapico out to be a musician who just started his career... I'd stop here. Insufficient sources to establish any substance of notability. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 14:17, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Doesn't meet WP:NENT or WP:NBIO — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 16:18, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Noël St. John Harnden

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Promotional in tone and a clear WP:CREATIVE and WP:GNG fail in my opinion. Aspening (talk) 01:21, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Orphaned article with weak sources, from galleries, press release and only one news post. Subject of the article is not notable. Notability is not proved. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 01:03, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I'm not finding anything to substantiate the notability of this artist after BEFORE searching. The current citations do not establish notability with the exception of the review in the Jakarta Post, but that is not enough to meet WP:GNG nor WP:NARTIST. There are no notable exhibitions or collections in notable museums or national galleries that could be found. Netherzone (talk) 16:18, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Jakarta Post source is the only decent one to establish notability. I couldn't find anything else during WP:BEFORE. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 16:21, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - a WP:BLP sourced almost entirely to "YouTube and EBay," commercial gallery websites, press releases, and 404 pages. Bearian (talk) 00:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sukhwinder Panchhi

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Clearly non notable. Doesn’t satisfy any notability criteria. Also i checked on google but found nothing. Afstromen (talk) 13:01, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No SIGCOV in RS, only music streaming sites, YT. Doesn't meet WP:NENT — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 20:14, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:SPAM - sourced entirety to iTunes and Amazon. Bearian (talk) 08:34, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dev Dhillon

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He doesn’t have any reliable source to establish notability. Sources in the article are unreliable. Clearly non notable. Afstromen (talk) 12:59, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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A Night in Texas

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Seems to fail WP:NMUSIC. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 03:36, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Seems to pass WP:NMUSIC. Examples of WP:RSMUSIC secondary coverage include a staff bio on Allmusic [1], album review in Ox-Fanzine [2], a Metal Hammer review [3], and a Distorted Sound review [4]. ResonantDis_tortion 19:09, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per the multiple reliable sources coverage identified above that together show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:57, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep More than enough coverage. Seacactus 13 (talk) 22:11, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Khumar Gadimova

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This article does not yet appear to be notable for English Wikipedia Insufficient Sources, and the topic may not meet Wikipedia’s notability guidelines. 𝒮-𝒜𝓊𝓇𝒶 02:28, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Khumar Gadimova is a well-known figure in Azerbaijani pop music and is widely recognized by the public in the country. Her artistic career has been covered by numerous reliable and independent sources such as APA, AzərTAc, Musavat, and Report. She has been active in the music industry since the 1990s, performing solo concerts, with her songs broadcast on national television and radio, and has participated in several state-level events.

The article is based on verifiable and independent sources, and the subject clearly meets the notability criteria due to her impact on Azerbaijani culture and public recognition. For these reasons, I oppose the deletion of the article and recommend that it be kept.Farrux Dadasbayli (talk) 10:03, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Being selected as an 'Honored artist' by the Azerbaijan government should be enough to meet WP:ANYBIO. I found sources stating this, but all are in Azerbaijani and I'm not sure if they're reliable enough.[5] [6] — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 18:39, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://president.az/az/articles/view/22993 The official website of the President of the country has reported on this. Farrux Dadasbayli (talk) 20:03, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I saw it. But independent, reliable sources are needed, and that is a primary source, which is not great. Are there others? — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 13:07, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://www.bakupost.az/xumar-qedimovaya-emekdar-artist-oldu https://mia.az/mobil/1075536 https://rublika.az/index.php?newsid=22845 https://etikxeber.az/xumar-q%C9%99dimova-%C9%99m%C9%99kdar-artist-oldu/ https://hit.az/az/senet/264643/emekdar-artist-konserte-hazirlasir/ https://musavat.com/ru/mobile/news/bacisi-xumar-qedimova-emekdar-artist-olmasindan-xebersizdir_420423.html https://www.gununsesi.info/xumar-q%C9%99dimovaya-%C9%99m%C9%99kdar-artist-adi-verildi/ https://baku.ws/show-business/xumar-qdimovaya-mkdar-artist-ad-verildi-srncam https://azxeber.com/az/emekdar-artist-turkiyede-trend-oldu/maqazin/ https://news24.az/180697-emekdar-artist-sevenlerine-seslendi.html Farrux Dadasbayli (talk) 15:46, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are those independent, reliable sources? Linkbombing is not enough for a discussion. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 18:08, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
https://president.az/az/articles/view/22993 The most reliable source. The country's president's own official website Farrux Dadasbayli (talk) 19:46, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas William Hanforth

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No significant coverage. In fact, having digged around, I found very few mentions in general bar a 2003 article published by the Hymn Society in the United States and Canada and the already cited 'Dictionary of Composers for the Church in Great Britain and Ireland'

The post he held at Sheffield Cathedral doesn't seem inherently notable. Also, the orchestra he conducted was an amateur orchestra. Leonstojka (talk) 16:07, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Not notable and no RS coverage. Go4thProsper (talk) 01:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WifiSkeleton

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Topic seemingly fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. Currently, the independent coverage consists of: 1. a tabloid article, 2. an article that relies on the previous article, and 3. an article that cites the subject's fandom page as its source. I did my own search and was unable to find any significant coverage outside of tabloid articles concerning the subject's death. – AllCatsAreGrey ^(talk) 15:53, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment If you're only here because you want the article kept (solely bc you like skel) then plz be open minded before you start spewing bs. User:Cyb3rstarz

Comment This AfD is rampant with single-purpose accounts that all want the article kept just because they're supporters of the artist (and all of their posts are equally horribly written). One even runs a fansite devoted to him. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 03:53, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

His death is linked up to his discord server, including a stage talk in discord, unfortunately no one has a recording or a youtube video of this stage announcement , i could add images of his closest friends saying stuff, and due to lack of proof, the only things i have/we got is that he overdosed on drugs. MasonCityIowaUser (talk) 16:09, 8 May 2025 (UTC) — MasonCityIowaUser (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Miami-Dade County Medical Examiners Case Number 2025-01306 is the examiner report for skel, users were told by gothangelz staff not to post it as it provided his full name, any image of the report posted gets deleted which suggests that it is actually him. 2skate (talk) 22:40, 8 May 2025 (UTC) — 2skate (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

This doesn’t matter anyway as it doesn’t establish subject notability. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 23:03, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

“Images of his closest friends saying stuff” are not viable sources. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 23:14, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

he said he was going to kill himelf and hasnt been heard from since with people close to him saying hes dead seems pretty viable 185.111.172.171 (talk) 22:38, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, it's not. Without legitimate sources it's hearsay. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 03:12, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

irrelevant ahh Aarnavdave (talk) 01:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC) — Aarnavdave (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

If you wanna keep the article solely because you like skel then you have no say 🥀, I like skel too but unfortunately I don't think he's notable enough for an article. Cyb3rstarz (talk) 04:02, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. His music is good but he's definitely not notable enough. Cyb3rstarz (talk) 19:39, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely notable enough now, more monthly listeners than jaydes yet jaydes has his own article. He has a song with over 40 million plays that is currently trending on social media and is number 32 on the charts of most popular songs in the US. 2skate (talk) 22:26, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

100% notable enough, i do agree the sources in the article could be better but i do not think it should be deleted personally BigChungusOnVinyl (talk) 05:16, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@2skate Popularity ≠ notability. Notability is coverage in reliable secondary sources, not how many “plays” something has.

Also, by “charts of most popular songs in the U.S.”, do you mean the most popular songs on Spotify in the U.S.? Wikipedia uses stuff like Billboard charts as sources, not single-platform charts. ApexParagon (talk) 22:51, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

hes notable for killing himself boom done 2skate (talk) 03:56, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, there’d be millions of articles on Wikipedia which simply state “Bob was a plumber. He later killed himself”.

Dying does not make someone notable, alas. Especially if there are no reliable secondary sources reporting the death. ApexParagon (talk) 05:21, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

he had millions of subscribers on yt when he was cyrus and has like 2 million mponthly listners definitley notable enough 185.111.172.171 (talk) 22:40, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned above, popularity does not equal notability. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 05:55, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

man i think the page just needs to stay up lmao it's not that deep BigChungusOnVinyl (talk) 03:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

so why does ricegum have a wikipedia page??? 176.248.180.68 (talk) 21:29, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Other things exist. If you don't think that article should stay then you can nominate it for deletion. I would suggest reading the relevant policies about deletion and deletion rational first. Knitsey (talk) 21:39, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because RiceGum is covered in reliable secondary sources? This ain’t complicated lol ApexParagon (talk) 21:39, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"popularity does not equal notability." 176.248.180.68 (talk) 21:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How is that relevant? Cyb3rstarz (talk) 22:00, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

are you blind or just purposefully ignorant X7771 (talk) 07:23, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I tagged the article for notability as there is no viable coverage of his music and only tabloid/news farming sites were reporting his death. Sourcing in the article is trash and he has no notable discography, chart activity nor label work. 💥Casualty ^{• Hop along. •} 20:16, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Not notable. To be frank, he is only currently popular due to having a viral song and because of his death. This doesn't really constitute for a Wikipedia article. Sosumiw (talk) 11:09, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this course of action given the lack of legitimate sources regarding his death and his barely notable fame. However, one could also easily argue that discarding the page entirely could turn out to be a temporary outcome, he could very well "chart" or garner a rather significant and notable cult following post-mortem in the near future, post-deletion. What then? Deleting may be the most rational decision for now, but you never really know what may happen, so I encourage someone to at the very least archive the page. 2600:4041:DB:8E00:45CB:656C:DF6B:4DC7 (talk) 17:59, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Future event. If that happens then someone can recreate it. We wouldn't usually keep articles based on 'what ifs'. Knitsey (talk) 21:35, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The page can always be recreated or rewritten if that ever does happen. There’s no hope of “losing information” since all the information is supposed to come from other sources anyways. ApexParagon (talk) 21:37, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

if jaydes can be on Wikipedia, so can wifiskeleton. unfair deletion it's just not that deep the guys literally gone, mad disrespectful honestly, just keep it up Drunu (talk) 17:02, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

and I say this not just because, its because how close in numbers they are and in popularity. I'd argue skeleton is even more popular due to him having many names and once being a popular youtuber. Drunu (talk) 17:04, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FAME. He may have been a popular YouTuber, but that doesn't mean he was necessarily notable.

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17:20, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As per nomination. Damien Linnane (talk) 15:02, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As per nominator, it doesn't pass W WP:NMUSIC or WP:GNG. The tabloid source can easily be replaced but there is little point as the only thing he is notable for is being dead under unclear circumstances. All the other links are pointless (they don't count towards notability (self/user generated). I can't find any coverage that counts towrds notability before his death. Knitsey (talk) 18:44, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC. No notable sources, primary or secondary, about him exist before or after his death. Hansen Sebastian (Talk) 20:09, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: This subject fails WP:NMUSIC and WP:GNG, just as the nominator explains. JFHJr (㊟) 05:05, 12 May 2025 (UTC) JFHJr (㊟) 05:05, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment that if this article is kept, shouldn't it be stylized in lowercase as wifiskeleton and not WifiSkeleton, as Spotify and other music sites like last.fm show?

Polaris NC

15:24, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do not snow delete; "...I Already Died" is currently on this week's UK singles chart update and may pass WP:MUSICBIO#C2 on Friday. WP:TNT applies to most of the prose though.--Laun chba ller 18:50, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In that event, and in light of the problematic BLP editing at this namespace, might it be more practical to TNT it for a redirect to the namespace of the single? That might head off some of the need for protection from BLP edits generally, or at least encourage their restriction to a portion of an article on the single. JFHJr (㊟) 21:32, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

George Dyer (musician)

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I could only see minor, routine coverage when I did a search. Although the subject has won a couple of awards, these aren't major. Looks like it might be a case of WP:TOO SOON.

There are also misleading statements designed to look like the subject has received more prominent coverage from sources (e.g. 'On 21 March 2023, it was announced that Dyer would collaborate with Nativity! The Musical director Debbie Isitt again on I Should Be So Lucky. . .' - and the cited source mentions him only very briefly). Finally, the username of the page creator suggests a close connection to the subject. Leonstojka (talk) 13:03, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Narinder Batth

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His work might seem notable, but the lack of coverage in reliable sources indicates that he is not notable Afstromen (talk) 08:24, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment; did you look for punjabi language sources? AnonymousScholar49 (talk) 17:19, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I searched on Google in Punjabi, but the results did not satisfy the notability criteria.
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Trace Fryer

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I've done a deep BEFORE search on this person by all three names she has used, as well as the name of her gallery, but have not found much more than social media, primary sources, user-submitted content. Note that there are two other people named Trace Fryer out there so a careful search is necessary. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NARTIST. There were couple mentions of shows that took place at her gallery, but no mention of her or about the gallery itself, so does not meet WP:NBUSINESSPERSON. As a musician I could find nothing. I found one thing that she wrote, for STEAM Journal, but that's not enough to meet WP:NAUTHOR. Current sourcing is not enough to establish notability either. Bringing this here for the community to decide. Netherzone (talk) 21:34, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source Assessment Table below

Comment regarding the second source assessment table. None of the these three sources meet WP:GNG by a long shot. The Human Animal Art piece in Steam Journal is not independent nor is it secondary, because she wrote it, created the two images and submitted it herself to the journal. A two sentence artist statement she wrote herself is not significant coverage. WP needs to know what others have said about her and her work, not what she says about it. WP:SIGCOV would be something like an independent column-long review about her work in a notable art magazine or newspaper (authored by someone else), or a chapter on her work in an art history book. The second source is simply an entry on a table of contents listing her name and the title of the artist statement she wrote. That is not significant coverage, it is non-independent trivial coverage, a simple name check. The last one is a single sentence in her alumni newsletter, therefore non-independent, stating that she had a piece in a show. That is not in-depth, independent significant coverage either. Netherzone (talk) 00:29, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understand what you are saying and I will look for that type of article as well as improved references. Starlighsky (talk) 01:56, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The uniqueness of the artist working with and publishing articles in animal culture and related issues is noteworthy. Starlighsky (talk) 02:07, 8 May 2025 (UTC)Starlighsky — Note: Starlightsky is the creator of the article that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]
Keep 73.247.25.130 (talk) 21:45, 9 May 2025 (UTC) — 73.247.25.130 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
KEEP, This person has several credible sources online showcasing their artistic contributions as well as humanitarian causes, including a website listed under https://www.tajartinc.com/ which has been registered since 2015, and https://somethingromantical.com/ which showcases Trace's current musical venture. SensoryX (talk) 22:47, 9 May 2025 (UTC)— SensoryX (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Both of these citations are user-submitted content by the artist themself, so they do not contribute to notability. I'm really curious as to how @SensoryX and the IP 73.247.25.130 above found this specific AfD out of the blue to make your first edits ever to the encyclopedia. Please explain, as it's unusual. Netherzone (talk) 23:22, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am submitted this information because I have seen this person's work, and have been to their establishments in the past, I am not the person noted in this article. I am not submitting on anyone's behalf, Im only submitting my own personal information that I know to be true. Im also not responsible for your feelings of "this being unusual", so I do not have to explain that. Is this site now authenticated based on if something being typical now?
I'm not sure why your expressing personal feelings here, wikipedia is meant to showcase information about the articles headline, and I have done so. I'm only speculating, but you seem to have a personal issue or agenda with this page unrelated to its authenticity. SensoryX (talk) 00:08, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Respectfully, no. Saying it's "unusual" is not a feeling, it is an observation. Wikipedia has almost 7 million articles; it is unusual that two brand new editors, who have never edited WP before would find this specific AfD out of the blue to make their very first edits. And no, I do not have any personal issues or agendas. Netherzone (talk) 15:05, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - For the previous voter, uniqueness is not the same as notability, which is required for a Wikipedia article that covers how/if she has made a mark in independent media. This one is an attempted resume and personal portfolio like any that could be found at her own sites. It appears that she is making an honest living with some intriguing art and writing, but there is not enough for an encyclopedic article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 12:40, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I just want to add that the author is unique in the creation of Animal-Human art. Uniqueness is mentioned in WP:NAUTHOR as "The person is known for originating a significant new concept, theory, or technique;".Starlighsky (talk) 01:30, 9 May 2025 (UTC)Starlighsky[reply]

@I respectfully disagree that this artist was unique in creating "Animal-Human art". Depictions of animal-human hybrids have been around since prehistoric cave painting. Also, consider depictions of the Griffin, Minotaur, Centaur and other mythological creatures. Netherzone (talk) 14:30, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, any individual work or art could be considered unique because it was created by a human being, but the more important requirement in the cited provision is "significantly new" for which I agree with Netherzone. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:59, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

My line of reasoning is that it is significantly new because of the contemporary publications and exhibitions with science related societies such as the following:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STEAM_education#The_STEAM_Journal

Australasian Animal Studies Association Starlighsky (talk) 20:26, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The STEAM journal citation is user-submitted content authored by the artist, it consists of two images and a short bio. It is not independent significant coverage. Netherzone (talk) 23:24, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

These are not about hybrids, though.

The contemporary artwork address abstract issues like the work of Eckhart Tolle did. Starlighsky (talk) 20:13, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for another inquiry about this but it's unclear what you are saying. Could you provide an example of what you mean by "Animal-Human art"? What is the definition of this genre, and what are the reliable sources that state she is the innovator of "Human-Animal art"? Is it something Eckhardt Tolle wrote about her work? Thanks in advance. Netherzone (talk) 20:25, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Anthrozoology is a good reference point to what Human-Animal art is in contemporary art. The Australasian Animal Studies Association (AASA) is a society that addresses this in terms of their contemporary art exhibitions. I will look up references on this issue. Starlighsky (talk) 20:56, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm quite familiar with the field of Animal Studies, and many artists who have worked in that field. In fact, I can think of many other contemporary artists who have been working in that area for decades. What is needed are citations that specifically state that she originated/created the field. Netherzone (talk) 21:57, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There are various artists who have approached this topic, yes.

I just to add that the issue is separate to what was discussed near the top of this thread. There is artwork of human animal hybrids, but the artwork about human animal behavior in terms of science is a separate issue.

The artist did not start the movement, but is unique in that the artwork was covered by a journal on Science, Technology, Engineering, Art, and Mathematics education (STEAM education) as well as the Australasian Animal Studies Association in terms of their exhibition of the art of the person from the U.S.. Starlighsky (talk) 00:02, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete- Lacks RS for the claims made.In 2024, she married English musician and record producer John Fryer citing "The Knot"!? WP:TOOSOON. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:33, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I took the recommendations and improved the citations, and even added more information with citations. I am glad to get your opinion on the improvements. Starlighsky (talk) 03:20, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Starlighsky Please read Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Citation overkill, and also the source assessment table above. I flagged the statementWhile in college she illustrated for The Beastly Ball at the Los Angeles Zoo. The Beastly Ball is a fundraiser with interactive events for and at the Greater Los Angeles Zoo Association. which was cited with this https://zoo-guide.com/la-zoos-beastly-ball-2024-an-overview/. The citations shows that the The Beastly Ball exists, but there is no mention of Trace Fryer that I can see, You removed the {{fails verification| date= May 2025}} tag without providing any new information to prove the statement. Please slow down and see if you can respond to the notability issues with reliable sourcing, not just more of the same unreliable sourcing. Thanks. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:51, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What happened is that the illustration for the Beastly Ball is published, but the source will not meet the standards for Wikipedia. I thought it was logical to delete the statement about the illustration work until I can find a reliable source for it. I will keep working on it. Starlighsky (talk) 16:00, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to see you removed the statement, but please, scroll up to the top of this entry, expand the Source Assessment Table and try to understand the concept of reliable sourcing, and why this article on a BLP was nominated for deletion. Thanks. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:27, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will work on the issues that you have brought up. I created a 2nd opinion source assessment table with what in my opinion are reliable sources. I will work on the issues that you present in the 1st source assessment table. Starlighsky (talk) 17:25, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Press releases are never a reliable source. Please read Help:Introduction to referencing/Reliable sources --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 17:32, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I removed that from the table and will try to find a better reference. Thank you for your insight. Starlighsky (talk) 17:41, 10 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ZephyrMusic

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Recently recreated article previous deleted. I speedied it as G4 this morning, but the page creator User:SparklingBlueMoon says sources are improved so I undeleted it on request. I'm not satisfied this meets BLP or BAND per applied or found sources. BusterD (talk) 14:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Meets BLP and WP:GNG. I am convinced that this person can be included in our encyclopedia. He appears in several reliable media where articles are entirely devoted to him, such as in La Voix du Nord, l'Observateur, and l'Avenir. He also appears in reliable media such as Canal FM and Muséanima. There are also interviews, but I do not count them as they cannot demonstrate notoriety by their nature as primary sources, but it is important to know that they exist and that they can be used in a non-abusive way and by being coupled with reliable sources to support the article. The sources span several years, which shows a long-term interest from the media, namely that not all the sources can be found online or in physical version in the article. There are enough reliable sources to write an encyclopedic article about him in accordance with Wikipedia's policy. SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 15:14, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Still unclear that he meets WP:BLP or WP:MUSICIAN. The article reads as WP:PROMO with all kinds of details that are unnecessary for someone of his standing. As far as sourcing: The Canal FM source mentions a "Karl" but without last name and without any sort of in-depth coverage. That is not significant coverage that would count towards notability. The Muséanima site is inaccessible. Wikifamouspeople remains user-generated and unreliable. The BBC article doesn't mention him at all, and its inclusion is a bit of WP:SYNTH. As for l'Observateur and L'Avenir, I'm also not convinced that the articles are anything other than minor interest pieces. They don't really establish global notability. I have newspaper articles written about me and that interview me; and yet I am not notable enough for a wiki page. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 17:53, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV for WP:NBIO. I've only seen one RS in the reference section of the article. All the others are mentions, tangentially related to the subject, user generated pages or broken. Couldn't find any other RS. -- Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 18:42, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
On the contrary, it is in accordance with WP:SIGCOV... I don't know how you checked the sources... I easily count more than 5 reliable sources, La Voix du Nord which has a Wikipedia article here, L'Avenir the same, l'Observateur is also a reliable newspaper which is also certified "Journalism Trust Initiative", Canal FM and Muséanima are also reliable sources. The majority of sources are entirely written about this person, we go far beyond simple mentions. For user-generated content, you must be referring to Wikifamouspeople? Despite its name, it is not actually a wiki where everyone can contribute, I can't see Leonardo Dicaprio or Kevin Hart going to this site to create their profile, it is an editorial team that writes profiles with the sources it finds on people who are at least notable. With a simple search I found other sources, obviously I didn't find and put all the sources that can be found on the internet or in physical form in the article. I've seen articles that are much less well sourced but have no problem, we don't understand anything anymore. SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 12:19, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
La Voix du Nord is the only source I could consider. As Darth Stabro said, l'Observateur is a minor interest piece. Doesn't meet WP:NBIO or WP:MUSICIAN.
Could you provide a link to an article in the L'Avenir site (www.lavenir.net)?
The Canal FM source is only a mention. Muséanima is down and a very minor site, mostly of video clips. In the front page and in every page of Wikifamouspeople there's a link to create a free profile. Not RS at all.
If you find other reliable sources with a simple search, please add them to the article or to a comment so the community can review them. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 14:51, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The AfD is not a vote but is based on arguments and explanations, so I'll take the time to explain why I think this person is eligible for inclusion on our Wikipedia:

If we look at all the criteria that apply to the person:

WP:BLP : Material about living persons added to any Wikipedia page must be written with the utmost care and attention to verifiability, neutrality, and avoidance of original research.

Verifiability? → Yes, the text is based on reliable sources Written in a neutral tone? → Yes, the text is written in Wikipedia's recommended style and does transcribe what is stated in the sources Original research? → No, all the text is written based on sources; there is no unsourced information.

WP:BLP is respected.

Next, for WP:GNG : A topic is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list when it has received significant coverage from reliable sources that are independent of the topic.

"Significant coverage"→ Yes, this article has sources spanning several years, demonstrating that the person has generated media attention over several years. Furthermore, the page contains articles from reliable media outlets such as La Voix du Nord, L'Observateur, L'Avenir and others, entirely focused on the person and of sufficient length; it is not just a simple mention or a few short lines.

"Reliable" → Yes, several sources discussing this person are known to be reliable news sites, and some even have their own Wikipedia page here, such as La Voix du Nord and L'Avenir. L’Observateur which has existed for over 170 years and has the Journalism Trust certification is a reliable source, there are also Canal FM and Muséanima as reliable sources.

"Sources" → Yes, a large proportion of sources are secondary; they are sometimes combined with other types of sources to support the article.

"Independent of the subject" → Yes, the majority of sources are undoubtedly independent and written by journalists. If we take the case of Wikifamouspeople, it is not a user-generated source because it is not actually a real Wiki and only a few members of the editorial staff can write profiles.

WP:GNG is also respected.

For WP:MN

Musicians or ensembles (this category includes bands, singers, rappers, orchestras, DJs, musical theater groups, instrumentalists, etc.) may be notable if they meet at least one of the following criteria:

1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself. → Yes

So he also respects WP:MN.

According to a contributor, the article reads like promotional material, but all the content is sourced, there is no unpublished work, and there are no links attempting to redirect to this person's music or these networks, and if passages seem promotional then they can be removed or reformulated but that is not an argument for deletion. Too much information? Like any Wikipedia biography, I find it logical to talk about their childhood, their education, their musical style and influences, etc. If we look at Canal FM, we see that the person's name is Karl, he is 20 years old at the time of writing, and finally, we clearly recognize him in the photo that illustrates him on Canal FM, so we are indeed talking about the right person. Muséanima was accessible recently, it covered the subject in detail, it may be a temporary outage of the site, if it does not improve I will recover the archived version on Wayback Machine, the article is not lost. For Wikifamouspeople, I won't explain again why the content isn't actually user-generated. L'Observateur and L'Avenir write about the subject in detail and are reliable secondary sources. Also, I would like to remind you that as stated in WP:N it says "There is no fixed number of sources required", there is no minimum or maximum number of references for a subject to be included in Wikipedia, we are just asked that there are reliable sources and that it meets criteria, which is the case here. SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 11:47, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. With the sources we currently have and with the criteria of WP:BLP, WP:GNG and WP:MN respected, we could keep the article. If passages need to be removed, let's remove them. There are already quite a few reliable sources, but the contributors seem disturbed or undecided because they would like even more sources, in this case let's not delete the article but simply put the "Citation Needed" template at the top of the article, this template exists for that. SparklingBlueMoon (talk) 11:56, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pause Flow (rapper)

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All coverage is exclusively on streaming services and social media. I see no evidence of passing WP:GNG or WP:ARTIST. Sophisticatedevening🍷^(talk) 13:58, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I believe this article meets WP:GNG and WP:MUSIC notability criteria through significant, independent coverage of the subject’s impact on Moroccan music. The concerns raised conflate platform availability (streaming/social media) with notability—per WP:Notability#Sources, reliable sources need not be English-language or print-based, and Moroccan media’s primary coverage of domestic artists often occurs digitally.

Evidence of Notability

Commercial Impact:
- Spotify Morocco’s official Instagram documented his multi-month Top 10 chart dominance (secondary verification of industry impact).
- Genius lyric pages for his work show thousands of engagements, demonstrating public interest.
Cultural Influence:
- Arabic-language articles from Publication 1 and Publication 2 cover the success of his projects.
Policy Compliance:
- Sources are independent (not self-published or affiliated).
- Coverage reflects depth (career analysis, not mere announcements).
- Digital-native platforms are valid per WP:NEWSORG when authoritative (e.g., Spotify’s official charts).

Addressing Specific Concerns

"All coverage is on streaming/social media": Moroccan music journalism increasingly operates digitally; this doesn’t diminish reliability.
The article now cites:
- Chart metrics (commercial notability)
- Genre innovation (cultural impact)
- Media profiles (public figure status)

I’ve expanded the article with a sourced discography and streaming milestones to further demonstrate notability. Per WP:PROD, please reconsider given this verifiable, secondary coverage. Rap no Davinci (talk) 19:59, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Likely AI generated message. WP:LLMTALK) --JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 00:18, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - There isn't WP:SIGCOV from reliable sources. Per WP:SPS social media and Youtube aren't RS. I haven't been able to find more RS about the subject, only blogs and music stream services. Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 22:22, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Itzcuauhtli11. Not seeing GNG being met here. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 00:10, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I strongly contest this nomination and urge editors to reconsider per [[WP:DEPROMPT]] (deletion should be a last resort). The arguments presented reflect systemic biases that disproportionately affect non-Western subjects:

Misapplication of [[WP:SIGCOV]]
- The subject has 300M+ YouTube views and 100M+ Spotify streams; metrics that objectively demonstrate cultural impact in Morocco (population: 35M).
- [[WP:Notability#General_notability_guideline|GNG]] explicitly states there’s "no fixed number of sources" required, and sources need not be in English.
Digital-Native Bias
- Moroccan hip-hop’s coverage exists primarily on digital platforms (per [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] for regional figures). Dismissing Spotify’s official charts (via @SpotifyMorocco) or Genius lyric engagements (100K+) as "non-reliable" ignores:
  - [[WP:NEWSORG]]: Spotify is a verifiable industry authority.
  - [[WP:RS#Social_media|Social media as RS]] when official (e.g., the artist's interview with 2M+ views).
Ethnocentric Double Standards
- Holding Moroccan artists to Western media standards (where hip-hop is often documented in print) contradicts [[WP:Global_right_to_write]].
- The subject’s 700K+ Instagram followers and 200K+ fanpage reflect notability within his linguistic/cultural context—a threshold we wouldn’t dismiss for non-English figures.

Actionable Requests

Instead of deletion, please consider tagging {{[[Template:More citations needed|more citations]]}} if gaps exist.
Recognize that absence of English coverage ≠ absence of notability (per [[WP:WHYNOT]]).

This article meets GNG through:

✓ Commercial metrics (streams/charts)

✓ Cultural influence (large fanbase)

Deleting it would reinforce Wikipedia’s systemic underrepresentation of Global South artists. ~~~~ Rap no Davinci (talk) 02:46, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fany

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Neither article refers to the subject as "Fany". Onel5969 ^{TT me} 10:19, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep as a given name page. ~~One of the references on Hwanhee does use "Fany" in the headline.~~ (Update: The source is in Korean and I don't know where that translated headline came from). While I see nothing at Tiffany Young at this time, there are a few other pages that could be included: Fany Pfumo, Fany Pérez Gutiérrez, Fany Gauto, Fany Chalas and Fanny Puyesky (which although titled with "Fanny" mixes usage with "Fany"). And there would need to be a see also for FANY and Fanny. Alternatively, these names could perhaps be merged into Fanny (name). older ≠ wiser 11:24, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a normal given name page, or merge with Fanny (name). Needs links to and from FANY/First Aid Nursing Yeomanry. PamD 17:31, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This page has been completely rewritten since this morning. It's probably no longer a candidate for deletion. Dan Bloch (talk) 07:48, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mai Nguyễn Anh

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lacks significant coverage from independent, reliable sources, failing Wikipedia's notability guidelines for companies. Additionally, its promotional tone and reliance on primary sources Oia-pop (talk) 05:47, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Moshe Fisher-Rozenberg (Memory Pearl)

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Looked at the first block of reference and a WP:BEFORE. No indication of significance. Lots of passing mentions. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. scope_creep^Talk 09:01, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sophie Rimheden

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This article was formerly completely unreferenced but I was able to find one ref and add it. However, I think it still does not pass GNG. Aside from the article I found, there does not appear to be any significant coverage of her anywhere. Other news sources are passing mentions in articles about other musicians and the only Google Book results appear to be listings in a directory of musicians. Pinguinn 🐧 10:00, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Per nomination. The EBSCO database and ProQuest also doesn't yield any results. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 10:32, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Per below sources. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 08:07, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP, I have found some stuff in Google News. I have not much time left to do translations.

* Norra Skåne, 19 juni 2008 - Skånska Sophie Rimheden får del av miljonbidrag
* Gaffa, 11.04.2012 - Efter en lång väntan släpper nu electrodrottningen sitt femte album. By Sofia Anderson
* GP, 29 May, 2012 - Sophie Rimheden | Haj
* Sydsvenskan, 1 juni 2012 - Rimheden fångar mörkt Skåne By Emma Thörnkvist
* Kristianstadsbladet, 3 januari 2006 - Sophie Rimheden spelar på hemmaplan
* Release Music Magazine - SOPHIE RIMHEDEN MISS ALBUM SVEDJEBRUK RELEASE: AUGUST 30, 2004 REVIEW: SEPTEMBER 6, 2004
* Release Music Magazine, - SOPHIE RIMHEDEN TRAVELLER ALBUM NONS RELEASE: APRIL16, 2008 REVIEW: JUNE 10, 2008

I can find more but I am due to do other things. Anyway, plenty to satisfy me.
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Comment, the page just needs referencing. She's very popular and well-known in Scandanavia. Here's the problem, a lot of the usable and good references are not in English. There's a great potential to make a very good page about her. It will take time though. Some Wikipedia folks from Sweden would be a big help. Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 08:00, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per sources by Karl Twist, there is clearly enough to pass the threshold for notability. --AlexandraAVX (talk) 11:01, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. In addition to what Karl Twist posted above, I find plenty of reviews and articles in a Swedish media archive, a sustained interest over time. I've added a couple of them to the article so far. /Julle (talk) 16:58, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per the multiple reliable sources identified in this discussion and the ones added to the article that together show a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 21:30, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:31, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of Norwegian artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards

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Similar case to List of Danish artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards and List of Welsh artists nominated for MTV Europe Music Awards. I don't see any WP:RS taking significant notice of the phenomenon of Norwegian artists being nominated for the MTV Europe Music Awards. The sources recently added verify that the artists were respectively nominated for various awards at the MTV Europe Music Awards but, importantly, none of the sources discuss all 4 artists as a group nor is there any extended commentary on their Norwegian nationality. In fact, only the Billboard source seems to make any reference to Norway. I did a quick WP:BEFORE and couldn't find any news sources writing about this phenomenon. It seems to be a list for the sake of having a list. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:02, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes, fails NLIST. Delete. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 18:18, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. The subject is not significantly discussed among WP:RS. Koshuri ^(グ) 13:21, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Darna (band)

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I'm failing to find any in-depth coverage in WP:RS to meet WP:GNG. While they may meet point 5 of WP:BAND, a) I'm not finding any sources to support this and b) the record label in question is entirely unsourced as well. The best I've found is this passing mention in a bio about one of its former members. I would have PRODed this but it was previously had a PROD removed in 2008 (although seemingly without solving the underlying problems). While there may be sources in Spanish that I'm missing, the .es version was also deleted in 2023. Cakelot1 ☞️ talk 12:46, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I can't add much to the nominator's investigation. This band is occasionally mentioned as an early stop for some members who went on to more notable things, but Darna themselves never achieved any significiant and dedicated media coverage that I can find. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:11, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Karthika Vaidyanathan

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Been to draft twice but still not referenced. Refs are profiles and passing mentions. Fails WP:NSINGER, WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. scope_creep^Talk 06:52, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The singer has been awarded Best playback singer (Female): Karthika Vaidyanathan (Kangal Edho, Chithha). I have referenced articles talking about this. Eg: https://www.news18.com/movies/69th-filmfare-awards-south-a-complete-look-at-the-list-of-winners-8991955.html I believe it is unfair to call it "passing mentions". These are news articles that refer to the person winning the award. The Filmfare awards are as significant as the Oscars in India and hence, should not be thought of as a trivial thing.

These news articles validate that Karthika Vaidyanathan is a playback singer. The parts that are not referenced are her childhood and awards won before she went professional. These details can be deleted, as I could not find references to them (got this from a primary source).

I don't believe the points you've stated validate deletion of the page. I would request you to suggest omissions based on lack of references and not a complete deletion. Kgovindan27 (talk) 06:55, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Kgovindan27: No. This is a WP:BLP. References need to be in-depth, independent and reliable. They need to be WP:SECONDARY. That example above is a classic example of a passing mention. There information there. Nothing. On WP:BLP it states "Wikipedia must get the article right. Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources". There is nothing here. If you WP:THREE secondary sources, post them up so they can be viewed and analysed to prove the person is notable. scope_creep^Talk 08:06, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Per long established consensus having a single award makes you notable, but doesn't guarantee an article. It needs several good WP:SECONDARY to prove the person is notable. scope_creep^Talk 08:07, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Electric Avenue (band)

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Seems to be just a cover band. Sources listed in article are all local, routine coverage. After a google search, not seeing enough sources to justify WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 01:53, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Michael Brunsky

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No indication of significance. Single refs doesn't contain his name (at the end of doc). Fails WP:NSINGER, WP:SIGCOV, WP:BIO. scope_creep^Talk 07:25, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Merited Artist of Ukraine – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 13:12, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: I found some coverage in Ukrainian but I regionally blocked from accessing any of it. Can you check them (also other coverage specifically using Cyrillic key words): [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12]. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 17:47, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Psychonaut 4

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Fails WP:BAND, was unable to find any form of significant for inclusion. They also seem to have been nominated and deleted previously, and judging from the nomination that time, there doesnt seem to much of an improvement this time around. No charting album, not on a notable label, no inclusion in any big publication. In fact most of their 'press' seems to just come from underground metal online tabloids like Metal Injection and MetalSucks, like many others of this bands size. Searching their name just brings up the usual for underground metal acts such as LastFM or Sputnikmusic mostly. Lil Happy Lil Sad ^:): 05:08, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There is plenty of coverage. Not everything, especially for bands from smaller countries will be instantly on the front of major news outlets, which does not discredit their notability. The majority of the coverage on them has been published since the first deletion as well. Seacactus 13 (talk) 04:10, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment so you edited the page since the delete nomination with this edit with the summary "Maybe actually look past page 1 of Google search results". What am I missing here? Obscure webzines/blogs in Italian and Danish? That's the big comeback with verifiable sources? User-created blogs and webzines are generally not reliable sources. You claim "There is plenty of coverage. Not everything, especially for bands from smaller countries will be instantly on the front of major news outlets, which does not discredit their notability", which is fine when it comes to small metal bands due to their appearances on verifiable publications like Revolver or Kerrang etc. yet I still dont see any noteworthy sources like those. All that's mostly used on the article are metal webzines, which anyone can create and maintain - and are generally disallowed per wp:USERG — Lil Happy Lil Sad ^:): 06:58, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Brothers (band)

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I couldn't verify the "international #1" claim. If such a claim is false, this page clearly fails WP:BAND. ThaesOfereode (talk) 18:42, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. Chart history. Coverage of single. Coverage of album. Geschichte (talk) 09:50, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
For instance, the third hit in the single search is about Brothers acquiring a gold record. Geschichte (talk) 07:33, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- Per WP:BAND if you have Top 100 song in any country chart then you qualify.Darkm777 (talk) 01:58, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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KEEP, I believe that this is the band here,
* NRK, 19 May 2009 - (Come)back in black Tvillingbrødrene fra Vevelstad herjet på listene for 15 år siden. Yes they had the hit as stated. This is just another one of those Wikipedia pages that folks haven't remembered to put in refs. ~SIGH~ I'll try to put in a coupe of refs.
Karl Twist (talk) 10:33, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, I have done some sectioning, added content with refs and added a category. I'll try to come back in a few days. But, in the interim if someone wants to put some work into it, I believe it will be worthwhile. Google Translator can be a good help. Cheers
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MJ Hibbett

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Seems like a nice chap, but not notable.

The external sources are two 20-year-old listicles that mention him in passing alongside a number of acts that don’t have their own pages, the rest are his own website/tweets/self-produced content.

No clear evidence of charting songs/awards/other significant recognition.

His most popular songs & videos never cracked 100,000 views on YouTube, with the majority below 1,000. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marchantiophyta (talk • contribs) 02:29, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment He went on to lead the group MJ Hibbett & the Validators. AllMusic staff written album reviews here, here, and here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:20, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
~~Allmusic is a questionable souce (WP:ALLMUSIC)~~ — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 14:43, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Genres and summary at the top of the page are generally not reliable. Reviews are generally reliable. (see WP:RSMUSIC) —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 14:57, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets WP:MUSICBIO#1. As well as the Allmusic coverage cited above, and the references presently in the article, there's an RS critical review from the BBC here, and many hits on ProQuest such as this one. ResonantDis_tortion 23:42, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Three+ sources with SIGCOV has been identified, enough to make a page. —LastJabberwocky (Rrarr) 04:19, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Which ones? Are they reliable, independent sources? — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 15:07, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Delete: No SIGCOV. As sources, there's a BBC regional article, The Guardian and a BBC Music Review, ~~which doesn't seem significant enough. Allmusic is questionable.~~ The Village Voice has a mention. Articles in a few music magazines. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 15:06, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As sources: The Guardian, BBC, AllMusic album reviews, The Village Voice with mentions [13] [14] and a few onlie music magazines. But I also found him in several retro gaming printed magazines (not online) [15] such as Retro Gamer and Retro Fusion, and in Plan B magazine. Although not all are RS, they show SIGCOV. — Itzcuauhtli11 (talk) 18:05, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nuccio Rinaldis

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Current sourcing is comprised of two brief mentions of this working audio engineer. Definitely accomplished, but searches did not turn up enough in-depth references from independent, reliable sources to show they pass WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:35, 26 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Opposed to deletion: Studio audio engineers like Nuccio Rinaldis, fulcrums of the discography in Italy with their constant work in pursuit of "vocal and instrumental sound perfection" (from the first to the last note down to mixing) in front of recording desks alongside proven successful artists with millions of records sold and million-dollar turns of business, have no media sponsors to pull from to retrieve sources. But this is not a culturally significant reason to propose deletion of the entry. The works done, widely historicized, are the equivalent of reliable sources. --CoolJazz5 (talk) 12:52, 27 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Today's date added bibliography. --CoolJazz5 (talk) 10:34, 29 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete or merge with Mina, not notable outside of his work with the singer. Also, the previous comment claiming "producing successful records is equivalent to reliable sources" is hilarious lol

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Delete Does not meet WP:GNG or WP:NBIO, not any material worth merging to Mina (Italian singer). Tenshi! (Talk page) 12:39, 11 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Info (band)

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Fails WP:NBAND, promotional, no reliable sources to support. Closest thing I could find directly about the band was a merch site [16]. GoldRomean (talk) 19:10, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Well, I edited it a couple hours ago, and conjured only these three sources ([17], [18], [19]) by typing "Colombia" and "INFO" and "metal". Couldn't find anything on their albums. Potentially leaning towards weak keep, but we need plus ~1 source. LastJabberwocky (talk) 19:25, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Leaning towards keep. —LastJabberwocky (talk) 13:37, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete An obscure band among a million bands. Yesterday, all my dreams... (talk) 22:59, 8 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Laugs

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This article fails notabillity guidelines for musicians, and also violates WP:NOTMEMORIAL. It does not cite any sources and is very short. AnonymousScholar49 (talk) 14:48, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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support agree with reasoning Czarking0 (talk) 17:07, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I find it hard to believe he's not notable... Indexed in SIX national libraries, the VIAF. Gnewspapers brings up many hits, Gbooks has hits on his name from the 1930s to the present. The VIAF link has two biographical links in German. Oaktree b (talk) 23:07, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Album review here [20] Oaktree b (talk) 23:28, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment the German wikipedia article has some book references that look reliable here, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 22:02, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I think it is very likely that he is notable, but it is not going to be easy to find reviews of his concert performances or recordings (although Oaktree b has already found one on jstor). Some do come up on a Google Books search, eg Fanfare (14/1-2:263) and The Gramophone (52/613-618:536), but they have only snippet views, so can't be used as sources. Finding hard copies from that era would probably need access to a very large library. Apart from reviews, Discogs shows multiple albums released by the Musical Heritage Society and by a German label called Da Camera Magna. I realise that Discogs is not reliable, but it gives album names and label numbers which can be searched for elsewhere - and does suggest that he meets WP:MUSICBIO#5. I have added some sources to the article, and removed the unsourced tag. I'll see what else I can find. RebeccaGreen (talk) 10:13, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Reviewing comments and additional links presented here suggests that nom. criteria for deletion is not met. Can be tagged for additional sources and enhanced by translating from the German article. Komodo (talk) 06:45, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Currie

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Fails WP:BAND and WP:GNG in that his notability is related primarily to membership in T Rex. References cited mention him only in passing and primarily in that connection. Should be a redirect to the band article, and lacks sufficient notability to warrant a standalone article. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 12:13, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect Per nom the sources in the article only cover currie in regards to his membership in the band or when its about his connection to Marc Bolan Scooby453w (talk) 15:30, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to T. Rex (band). This article may have been created because other non-Bolan members of T. Rex also have their own articles, but the others have more activities of note outside the band. Currie was a longtime member during the band's most massive success, but I must agree with the nominator and previous voter on how he has little outside of the band with which to build an encyclopedic article. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:51, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Untrue to say that the sources are mere mentions in passing - although all four are from Bolan/T.Rex books, they nonetheless substantially record Currie's background and career prior to joining the band. They are not quick one liners by any means. They are adequate (if similar in content to each other) and there are other examples like them e.g. The Official Marc Bolan Story by George Tremlett. (Futura 1975) or Marc Bolan:The Legendary Years by John & Shan Bramley (Gryphon 1997) Romomusicfan (talk) 20:53, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Source one is one sentence about currie having died due to tragic circumstances source 2 is a book about marc bolan and while it says it also covers the bios of other members currie isnt listed as one of them source 3 is nother book about bolan where currie has a minor mention in it (and isnt even listed in the synopsis while other members are) to sum it all about he quite literally is not mentioned in any source that's not about the band or bolan Scooby453w (talk) 13:59, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And sources 4&5? Or the above proposed 6&7?
Granted Sources 2-5 (potentially 2-7 if Tremlett and Bramleys are added on) are all from texts about T.Rex or Bolan but they nonetheless are each of them a substantial passage (from a paragraph to a half page) detailing Currie's background and pre-Bolan career.Romomusicfan (talk) 20:39, 23 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]
i might change my vote but Ill admit im still on the fence a little though Scooby453w (talk) 18:29, 28 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - I arrived from the T rex and interesting to find this 2A00:23C8:EA12:6601:7440:9D09:8B46:CF19 (talk) 21:24, 5 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect is fine. Bearian (talk) 20:54, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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@Scooby453w, @Doomsdayer520, @Glane23, do you find Romomusicfan's argument or sources persuasive? @Bearian, I mean no offense, but I can't tell from your !vote if you actually looked at the sources here – could you please clarify why you think a redirect is fine? Toadspike [Talk] 09:06, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's ok by me. No offense taken. Bearian (talk) 10:51, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not persuaded that a separate article is warranted per WP:BAND. I'm still in favour of a redirect absent a biographical profile such as a book focused solely on Currie's work apart from and with T Rex, as everything published that mentions him springs primarily from and about his work with T Rex. Geoff | ^{Who, me?} 12:20, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will stick with my vote to redirect. It is true that the cited books have some additional info on Currie's early life, but that info is not particularly notable in its own right and there is not enough significant coverage of his non-T.Rex acitivites. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:02, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think people can check out some of the sources themselves and make their own decision rather than needing to find my argument persuasive. I do feel it was incorrect to characterise them as "mention him only in passing " - they are more substantial than that. Romomusicfan (talk) 17:53, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Bedridden

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This was flagged since 2007, although the citations template was removed without improvement [21]. There is only one source on the page and that is just a reference to playing a song on a radio show. Searches show almost nothing. I found a reference to a saying attributed to them (wrongly), and some primary sourcing but I cannot find any independent reliable secondary sourced coverage of this non notable band. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:33, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The band has this good coverage and this article mentions a Rock 'n' Roll City: Adelaide Babylon, which promises to elaborate on The Bedridden, but I don't have access to the book to confirm. It feels like a weak delete, but it still needs another good sources to keep the article. LastJabberwocky (talk) 15:41, 22 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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This article, although about band leader Baterz, mentions The Bedridden:

https://oa.anu.edu.au/obituary/ward-barnaby-charles-13976

It is Baterz' obituary, published in dB Magazine, an Adelaide based reputable street press (https://catalogue.nla.gov.au/catalog/2803467) 149.167.27.78 (talk) 01:30, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And another Baterz' obituary article from The Canberra Times mentions The Bedridden:

https://oa.anu.edu.au/obituary/ward-barnaby-charles-13976/text24895

Both these obituaries, although not the original copies from the original publications, have been collected by the Australian National University's Obituary Australia (https://oa.anu.edu.au) 149.167.27.78 (talk) 01:39, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

An article from the Canberra Times about the Bedridden:

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/126976895?searchTerm=Baterz 149.167.27.78 (talk) 02:09, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

An article from Australian publication (print and online) Beat about a Bedridden compilation:

https://beat.com.au/the-bedridden-gorilla-gorilla-gorilla/ 149.167.27.78 (talk) 02:39, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment With two obituaries (dB Magazine and The Canberra Times) and the Canberra Times and Beat articles, it looks like there's enough to keep something. Whether that's an article about The Bedridden, or an article about Baterz, I'm not sure. (Btw, I found several gig listings for "Baterz Bedridden".) There's also something in Overland in 2002, of which I can only see a snippet [22] - perhaps another obit? The book Rock 'n' roll city. Part two, Adelaide Babylon seems to be only in a few libraries in South Australia, so would need someone there to check it out. RebeccaGreen (talk) 05:42, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for this. The book, Rock 'n' roll city, part two, Adelaide Babylon is not available in any library service I can access, but I notice that it is self published by the author, Eric Algra. Algra is a photographer, and so I would expect that this volume contains photography - an image of the band - but not SIGCOV. Neither would it be a WP:RS as it would be self published by someone who is not an established expert in the field of music. Any information it contained about the band would likely have come directly from them or their publishing material. So I think it is out on a number of counts. Obituaries are often not independent, but in any case they would support (or not) a page on Baterz. I don't see SIGCOV on the band in (Smith, 2002). There is a bit more in (Jones, 2002). The piece in the Canberra Times is primary. The piece in Beat is secondary though. It's all pretty marginal. Can we make a page from The Beat piece and the Jones obit? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:25, 7 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Grant Michaels (songwriter)

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Promotional tone, failed verifications, more citations needed... in the end, may not meet the notability standards. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 18:06, 20 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi. Please note that Grant Michaels is listed as a writer on the Banners' song "Someone To You" on its entry, which chartered to no. 11 on Billboard's Adult Top 40 and Hot Rock & Alternative Songs charts and is credited in the Wikipedia entry for the song. He is also credited as a writer on Sia's "Dressed in Black" on her 1,000 Forms of Fear which charted to no. 1 the US Billboard 200. He is credited on the credits list in the entry. Among his other credits, he is again listed on the songs for Descendants 2 (Soundtrack). My understanding is that he meets the requirements of notability as a musical artist. I've also attempted to address the issue of promotional tone when it was returned to draft with a rewrite, but am open any help regarding addressing that issue.

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Delete, seems to have had tangential involvement with some fairly successful albums, but I really couldn't find any significant coverage to establish independent notability. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 19:45, 12 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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