Wikipedia:Meetup/Philadelphia/Questions

This is a master list of questions from the Philadelphia WikiSalon. Feel free to add questions that you have about Wikipedia or Wikipedia projects (Encyclopedia articles, Wikimedia Commons images, Wikidata) and to suggest resources in response, for discussion during WikiSalon.

Wikipedia projects

“What is the difference between the different projects? And what is the easiest for someone who is still learning to become a Wikipedian?”

"Wikipedia has many other sister projects about which I'd like to learn more. What types of projects are there?"

What is the difference between Wikidata and Wikisource?

Wikipedia articles

"How do you know whether to label an edit on Wikipedia as minor? Why does it matter?"

“In general, what level of sophistication of the audience should Wikipedia articles aim for?”

"Is there a best practice for editors to follow to make their articles mobile-friendly?"

  • There are best practices that come into play at a variety of levels, such as principles for Responsive web design. Wikipedia's user interface (UX) for mobile was designed separately and independently from the historical desktop version, as is described here.
  • Many of the layout conventions for both mobile and desktop are determined at the level of the implementation. For desktop, many options exist and it is possible to choose skins that alter the interface.
  • Wikipedia has its own particular content policies and writing style -- factual, neutral point of view etc. The lead should be a brief summary of content, and establish notability.
  • There are general writing best practices that are consistent with Wikipedia style -- the ABC's "Accuracy, brevity, clarity" are certainly things to strive for.
  • Accessibility can also be useful for thinking about how to write.
  • Pages evolve over time. Even if they are well organized to begin with, they may not end up that way. It is useful to ask yourself what someone coming to a page might be looking for, and whether they will find it. Major reorganizations are challenging, but sometimes they are needed. It can help to rework a page in stages.

“Can I create a new article on Wikipedia using an article from another language Wikipedia?”

American Ruff by Jan Yager

“What is the "Did you know" item referred to in the "Special mentions" section of this agenda?”

“How are Article Ratings determined? Should we as Wikipedians be concerned about ratings of articles we've written or edited? How do we solicit a re-evaluation of an article we've written or edited?”

“Wikipedia provides various metrics to characterize articles, for example, it provides a "pageviews" analysis. To what extent as Wikipedians should we be concerned with these metrics on our articles?“

There are many Wikipedia:Statistics, including Wikipedia:Pageview statistics which can be used to indicate how often people view a page. In some ways this is a bit of a vanity metric, but if you want to pick topics that are read by more people to maximize your impact as an editor, you can certainly do that.
Strategic choosing of articles to work on may be helped by looking at a Wikiproject like Wikipedia:WikiProject Chemistry. They have a table of "Chemistry articles by quality and importance " that can be useful in identifying important articles that need work.
This can also be useful if you are working in a field where you are reporting on your work and its impact to others to show impact.


"Proper citations are indispensable to any good Wikipedia article. However, with the decline of print media, citations in Wikipedia articles are more dependent on on-line citations which may not be permanent. How does Wikipedia manage the transient nature of these citations? How should Wikimedians manage citations in this regard?"

"How do you know a permanent url when you see it?"

Alan G. MacDiarmid, interviewed by Cyrus Mody in University of Pennsylvania on December 19, 2005. Philadelphia: Science History Institute, n.d. Oral History Transcript 0325. https://digital.sciencehistory.org/works/z316q261v

“Can you say something about how the “short descriptions” tag is used?"

  • The Short Description appears at the top of articles in the Desktop View if you have the *ShortDesc* helper set in the *Gadgets* section of your profile preferences. It also shows by default on mobile views of articles.
  • It is meant to be very short: less than 40 characters, so maybe 4-6 words that explains the scope of the article (e.g. "American textile artist" "woodworking technique" "Nobel prize-winning chemist"). Dorevabelfiore (talk)

"What tools can be useful in reviewing an article (your own or others)? "

  • Earwig's Copyvio Detector is a very useful tool for checking for copyright violations: Paste in an article title and press "Submit". Higher numbers may indicate use of quotations, long titles, or long names of organizations or awards, all of which are fine. The "Compare" buttons will show you what is the same in the Wikipedia article and a given source. I use this as a final step to check my new articles for cut-and-pastes or rephrasings that are still a bit too close for comfort. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 03:19, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

Finding sources and images

"I often use archived newspaper articles to research my Wikipedia projects. Is there a newspaper database that you'd recommend (and hopefully is low cost?)"

We had a very active discussion of this question at the February WikiSalon! Here is a list of suggestions for finding sources.

These projects are trying to build out information about newspapers on Wikipedia, and may have useful information or people who know about a particular newspaper.

"Are there other open-source or freely available sources that you would recommend for images, magazines, journals, ebooks, or other materials?"

Yes there are! Here are some sources that Wikipedians might find useful:

“I'd like to better understand the various types of licenses governing use of photographs and other images.”


Resources: Find A Grave, Tin Eye, Possible license template: {{PD-old-assumed}}
  • Photos from Find a Grave are user/community supplied, so their copyright is not verified on upload. A modern photograph of a gravestone has a copyright that belongs to the photographer who took the picture. (This does not make the information on the gravestone copyrighted.) Copyright of old photograph depends on who took a photograph and when, whether that information is still known, and whether and when it was first published, if that has occurred.
  • I would recommend taking a look at the photo and trying to do a reverse image search (Tin Eye, Google Image Search) if the photo is not credited. You might be able to find another copy of the photo online, which might indeed reveal its copyright status. At the very least, you might get additional information from which to start a copyright search. Dorevabelfiore (talk) 03:54, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
  • "For an anonymous work, a pseudonymous work, or a work made for hire, the copyright endures for a term of 95 years from the year of its first publication or a term of 120 years from the year of its creation, whichever expires first." If a photograph on Find A Grave was taken at least 120 years before the current year (e.g. 2021-120=1901), it may be in the public domain. As of 2021, if a photograph was clearly taken before 1901, you can't find identification of the photographer or their death-date, and you can't find a published copy of the photo in a book or magazine, or find a copy online that gives more metadata and copyright information, you may be able to release it using the Wikimedia Commons licensing template {{PD-old-assumed}} If someone later finds evidence that it is still in copyright, it may be taken down. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 02:19, 13 December 2021 (UTC)


"You mentioned the possibility of uploading things from archives to Wikipedia Commons. How would we know which things we have permission to add there?”

An example search on google for releaseable items for cheese, the key test in the search is "Labeled for reuse with modification"

“This is not my photo. So, how do I handle the licensure when I upload it?”

“Information about how to find public domain jpeg files ... would be of help to some of my students.”

OTRS generator: “Information about how to ... get permission to use a non-public-domain jpeg would be of help to some of my students.”

The first step is to determine whether an image is still copyrighted, and who holds the copyright. Copyright is complicated. The copyright holder can be a person who took a photograph of something, a person who created an artwork that was photographed, or both. In the case of a two-dimensional work, taking a photograph of just the work (not its frame or surroundings) is not considered to add a creative element, and so does not warrant a new copyright for the photographer. In the case of a photograph of a three-dimensional artwork (which includes a picture in its frame), taking a photograph is considered to add a creative element, and so does warrant a new copyright for the photographer. In either case, the artist who created the original artwork may also hold a copyright. Copyrights have a time limit. Copyrights can be passed to others by sale and by inheritance. An employee may sign over his copyrights to his employer, a copyright holder may sell their rights, and a copyright holder's heir may inherit them.

As of January 2021, the steps for a copyright holder to follow in the OTRS generator, to authorize release of an image were as follows:

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Please go to :
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wikimedia_OTRS_release_generator


------ next page ------
Click the  Start Button

------ next page ------
Select
I am the copyright holder

Scroll down and enter your name,
Hit continue

------ next page ------
Select
I want to release the media work
Hit continue

------ next page ------
Select
I or others have already uploaded the file to Wikimedia Commons

Paste in the file name(s)
File:whatever-the-name-of-the-file-is-on-Commons.jpg

------ next page ------
The next page will show a license, likely this:
Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 4.0 International

You just need to Click on
I agree to the terms above

* I think it should generate a ticket number for you  to use. Write this down: You'll need it below.

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Finally, I believe the copyright holder will need to email
permissions-commons@wikimedia.org

Please fill in the SUBJECT LINE of the email with the OTRS ticket number
(I believe it should have generated this for you when the steps happen above.)
 
The body can be a message such as:
"Permissions submitted via  Interactive Release Generator!"

Wiki Education

“Can the Wikiedu program be publicized to get more college instructors implementing Wikipedia in their classes?”

Wikidata

“What is WikiData?”

In Wikidata, is there a way to import any existing data such as NAF / SNAC or has that already been done as baseline bio data?

Yes, there are tools for uploading bulk data points to Wikidata. The WikiSalon will be working on these for presentation later in 2021 for those interested.

Here are SNAC and NAF examples if anyone wishes to add data manually to Wikidata. Those identifiers are then pulled automatically from Wikidata into Wikipedia when one enters the Authority Control template ({{authority control}}) on an article.

  • NAF example: LC control no. n 80153256 authority control for Hetzel, Pierre-Jules, 1814-1886
  • Wikipedia page: Pierre-Jules Hetzel
  • Wikidata item: Q552619
  • Wikidata has an item Library of Congress Name Authority File (Q18912790). It also has a property Library of Congress authority ID (P244) which is accepted as an identifier on Wikidata items.