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Discussion: Hmlarson
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16 January 2026
Hmlarson (talk · contribs) is an experienced and autopatrolled editor who tripped 1325 (hist · log) with their creation of PWHL Takeover Tour. If they are using LLMs, the use is occasional, they may subsequently edit some of the content, and I do not think it predates November 2025. See this edit from 2023 which was definitely not LLM-generated; compare to the style of the recently-created Kimbra Walter. What seems clearer is that Hmlarson is creating articles with material source-to-text integrity issues; pretty much the entire Purpose and objectives section fails verification, and is the type of corporate bulleted promo you'd expect from an LLM. Unfortunately, the conversations at Talk:PWHL Takeover Tour about these issues did not go well, with aspersions I was operating a multiple accounts and no engagement with the potential issues raised . I placed an ai-generated tag on the article, which they removed . I ran the article through Earwig and found some CLOP (nothing remotely worthy of CCI), but 945 girls' hockey players participated in clinics and meet-and-greets with PWHL athletes
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NicheSports (talk) 04:44, 16 January 2026 (UTC)
- I did notify Hmlarson about this thread. I'm hoping we can discuss here; I respect their commitment to the articles they work on and they have clearly done a lot of great work on Wikipedia. I would have preferred to do this at a talk page but after the interaction at Talk:PWHL_Takeover_Tour I figured it was best to bring here. NicheSports (talk) 04:49, 16 January 2026 (UTC)
- From a quick glance PWHL Takeover Tour#Format also fails verification.
- Given that their only response has been to call you a sock the odds of interaction here seem slim, but hope springs eternal. Zygmeyer (talk) 05:12, 16 January 2026 (UTC)
the conversations at Talk:PWHL Takeover Tour about these issues did not go well
– No kidding, the immediate and repeat followup condescension and bad faith musings are egregious.- I've looked at another one of their recent creations, 2021–22 PWHPA season, and it's so full of LLMisms and unsupported OR it's difficult to convey in a concise manner.
- The
Season statistics and results
section is baffling from a human editor perspective, it's an unsourced section saying there is no source for the information, but makes sense if returned from an LLM. - The unsourced
Notable players
section contains a list with no notable players, just model bulletpoints of the types of notable players likeInternational players from various countries
andYounger players developing their skills
. - The existance of an
Impact and significance
section itself is characteristic of model output, and the mostly-unsourced and editorial contents do not dissuade this notion:The season demonstrated the PWHPA's resilience and adaptability ... The successful navigation of the Olympic season and the continued growth of partnerships proved that the association's ...
- The
- This goes on and on. I've not bothered checking for source-text integrity, so much of the article is unsourced OR that it's already well past the threshold of the standards an autopatrolled editor should be holding themselves to. Given this and their recent unconstructive responses to good-faith concerns about their creations, I don't think they should have the perm, but that's something a different venue would have to address. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 05:30, 16 January 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks for looking into this. Agreed on the perm, although I have no appetite for a different venue right now. As for the cleanup, I'm optimistic that it won't be that bad (I was worried when I saw 30k+ contribs). I am pretty confident the apparent LLM use started recently. Now that I have the AINB tracker installed I'll create the tracking page tomorrow. NicheSports (talk) 07:43, 16 January 2026 (UTC)
- Yikes, this is a bummer. I agree there should be more women's sports pages condidering how extensive our men's sports coverage is, but this is not the way to do it. I'm also concerned that prior to AI, Hmlarson copy-pasted text from press releases and organization websites and such. Thanks for making the cleanup page. I might try to help chip away at that list soon elchupacabra (talk) 04:00, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
- Is anyone able to check their recent edits? I see a few m dashes, and 22 Feb seems LLM-generated Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 23:01, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
- The prose of that edit seems likely, I fixed an issue with an incorrect ref, but aside from that the edit appears accurate. Spot checks of other recent edits don't show any obvious problems, certainly nothing on the level of the now-deleted Draft:PWHL Takeover Tour. fifteen thousand two hundred twenty four (talk) 15:38, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
9 November 2026
As suggested by Kowal2701 during the archive bonaza, we still need to determine if Hmlarson continued to use LLMs after this thread. Their most recent contributions were a series of edits on an article for Bethany Donaphin. At a glance, I can't tell if they were AI-generated. Lazman321 (talk) 20:06, 9 November 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks, I can't see anything using User:DVRTed/llm-signs, but Special:Permalink/1360021094 (18 June) is blatant (Pangram for the sanity check ), it also has a 404 that was even archived as a 404 (ref#10). A few large edits on 8 Sept where I can't tell, but other than that they haven't edited much since. Will leave them a final warning Kowal2701 (talk, contribs) 20:19, 9 November 2026 (UTC)
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