Opaque course name: École de Design/DIN1210 (Automne 2026)
The course WP:Wiki Ed/École de Design/DIN1210 (Automne 2026) doesn't seem to follow the standard naming pattern of including the academic institution and the title of the course in the name. The current title is rather cryptic, and even the course page itself doesn't mention the institution. It didn't take much to learn that this actually refers to this course in the History of industrial design given at the University of Montreal. Given that the course is listed and taught in French, perhaps the Wiki Ed course page name ought to be something like:
- WP:Wiki Ed/Université de Montréal/Histoire du design industriel (Automne 2026)
and the course page should be more transparent as well. Adding Brianda (Wiki Ed). Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 09:21, 2 October 2026 (UTC)
- Now that I think about it, how does the collaboration actually work for a Wiki Ed course like this one where the assigned articles (e.g., fr:Lampe Tiffany, fr:Monobloc) are on another language Wikipedia? The training modules here cannot be relied upon, because they are based on en-wiki policies and guidelines, and fr-wiki P&Gs are different. Where do student questions get posted, in English at the Wiki expert's English talk page, or in French at their French talk page? Fwiw, if anyone gets a student question in French they want assistance with, you can either loop me in, or just send the student to my French talk page at fr:User talk:Mathglot. Mathglot (talk) 09:36, 2 October 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah, it doesn't make much sense for this to be on en-wiki if the contributions won't be made here. —Myceteae🍄🟫 (talk) 15:00, 2 October 2026 (UTC)
- I'll also not that several of the assigned articles are red links such as Femmes dans le design industriel, which presumably should be fr:Femmes dans le design industriel. —Myceteae🍄🟫 (talk) 15:03, 2 October 2026 (UTC)
- Hi @Mathglot @Myceteae, We are still refining our processes for how to best register classes that are working on multiple language wikipedias, and in this case the dashboard home wiki should've been on French as it looks like they're primarily working on the French Wikipedia. We are currently discussing what kind of processes to create to catch these kinds of classes (not many classes work in other languages). The instructor knows our help is a bit limited on the French Wikipedia, but we still keep an eye out to make sure they are following the basic principles of sourcing and neutral tone, working with the instructor.
- As for the naming of the course, those are fields that filled in by the instructors when they sign up, and in this case, it does differ from the norm but it's ok with us. Brianda (Wiki Ed) (talk) 23:36, 7 October 2026 (UTC)
- Thanks. As for other languages, there's just Spanish and French so far, right? Are there any others now, or planned? Mathglot (talk) 01:20, 8 October 2026 (UTC)
- For a related discussion involving a particular assignment in this course, see this student Talk page. Mathglot (talk) 22:56, 2 October 2026 (UTC)
Student sandboxes being deleted during an ongoing course
Recently I encountered a strange case; the first for me in my 10+ years of teaching with Wikipedia - deletion of student sandboxes during the course. In the past, of course, occasional low quality student output was deleted from mainspace, when it was published before being approved by me and completed - that's understandable. But I was under the impression sandboxes are safe, outside major policy violations. Yet recently, one work in progress by my students has been subject to repeated deletions - User:Yuunseo/sandbox. See Main public logs - Wikipedia and User talk:Yuunseo. The student is supposed to translate content of Featured class article from Korean Wikipedia (ko:조선왕릉) to the existing low quality en wiki article at Royal Tombs of the Joseon Dynasty.
It seems the student is having problems due to incorrect use of LLM, resulting in AI hallucinations.
Such content is obviously not allowed in the mainspace, but deleting the student's sandbox is counterproductive, as it prevents me (the instructor) from seeing the extent of the ongoing problem and whether the student is fixing it (which they claim they are, although not very well).
I see the page has been tagged with WP:G15, which is IMHO incorrect. What I see is not a pure AI hallucination, but a reasonable translation following Wikipedia:LLM-assisted translation, corrupted with what appears to be an attempt to replace broken references with AI-hallucinated ones. Obviously, this needs cleanup, and any unreferenced or AI-hallucinated content will not be moved to mainspace, but unless we have some new policies that require speedy deletion of actively worked-upon drafts/sandboxes, I think someone is overstepping their cleanup efforts here and may merit a Wikipedia:TROUT. To be clear, I very much appreciate vigilance in preventing low-quality AI or other junk from being added to Wikipedia, but there is such a thing as too much prevention, and speedy deleting of work-in-progress not in mainspace is IMHO not a best practice.
@Gurkubondinn Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here 02:29, 27 October 2026 (UTC)
- PS. While the current edition still has at least one wrong ref (I concur [1] seems like an AI hallucination error), Gurkubondinn, you wrote in your assessment "ref nr. 49 does not work for me". It works for me, taking me to Document Viewing | Annals of the Joseon Dynasty, which is correct (seems reliable and verifies the text attributed to it). The relevant sentence has been correctly translated, with proper reference, from the Korean article. I will be checking all other reference errors you reported, but it is clear your analysis, while - let me stress it - much welcome, is not perfect, either. Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here 02:33, 27 October 2026 (UTC)
- @Hanyangprofessor2, there is no "sandbox exception" to G15. In solidarity, asilvering (talk) 03:46, 27 October 2026 (UTC)
- @Asilvering G15 is not mentioned at WP:DELETEOTHER, which only permits speedy deletion of " unambiguous copyright violations, attack pages, promotional text, and privacy or BLP violations" from userspace Piotrus at Hanyang| reply here 05:30, 27 October 2026 (UTC)
- The "G" in the name is for "general". It applies to all namespaces. In solidarity, asilvering (talk) 05:35, 27 October 2026 (UTC)
- @Asilvering My reading of DELETEOTHER is that it is not allowed, either by that policy or by custom, to delete things from userspace outside of the four exceptions listed above. Plus it just make little sense to speedy delete work in progress, regardless or what errors it has, as long as it is not in mainspace. Even the biggest pile of garbage can be edited and improved, per WP:SURMOUNTABLE. Additionally, Wikipedia:Presumptive removal of AI-generated content allows for prodding, but not for deletion, of such content. Arguably, it is not clear how LLMPROD and G15 interact with one another, and this may need to be clarified somewhere. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:59, 27 October 2026 (UTC)
