Wikipedia:Featured article candidates

NRP

Support per peer review. NRP (talk) 11:36, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

RoySmith

Just a quick note about File:Netflix outages reported on January 7–8, 2026.svg. As a techie, I get that log plots can be useful when showing large changes, but I think this will be lost on most of our non-technical WP:AUDIENCE. A linear plot would convey the data better to a wide audience. RoySmith (talk) 14:51, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Done. In solidarity, Brynn Who Likes Editing | talk w/ me! 16:31, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Source spot-check

Will do. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 21:55, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

This table lists 3 random passages from throughout the article (4.8% of 63 total passages). These passages contain 4 inline citations (4.7% of 85 in the article). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 21:55, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Limited comments by Nick-D

Just commenting on the para on his military service:

• "The Selective Service (American conscription system) reported that Enzi was in good health in 1963, and in 1966" - presumably he was assessed as such by the conscription authorities?
• "Enzi applied to the Officer Candidate School (OCS) as a civilian" - what officer candidate school is being referred to here? The news stories indicate that he tried to join the Navy as an officer candidate. I don't think that people can apply directly to the officer candidate schools. "As a civilian" is also surplus.
• "In 1996, Enzi stated that he tried to enlist to serve in the Vietnam War" - I can't see where this is referenced in either of the two sources cited
• "Wyoming Veterans of Foreign Wars Commander Bill Saunders and others" - the only other person quoted in the sources is one of Enzi's political opponents. This should be specified given they were obviously neither disinterested or an expert on the matter.
• My understanding is that Enzi was likely completely correct here, as most militaries have higher physical standards for officer candidates than they do for enlisted personnel (as they make a substantial investment in training officers and want them to serve for a lengthy period, and officers also have physically and mentally demanding jobs and are required to set standards for enlisted personnel). The health checks for potential conscripts tend to be somewhat unreliable as well, as they are often based on fairly cursory assessments. The he-says/she-says type construction of this material makes this difficult for readers to understand, but may be unavoidable here.
• An unstated issue in the article at present is that this para is actually about whether Enzi avoided serving in Vietnam and/or conscription into the Army by joining the National Guard (as many men did). Can this be made clear? Nick-D (talk) 22:54, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Comments by ZKang123

I reviewed this article as part of a GAN assist, and back then I felt it was adequate for GA. However, my initial comment here is that the lead is rather way too short and doesn't adequately summarise the article. I also note this is at least more detailed than the Tabancale language, particularly with what can be uncovered about the phonology. I might give a look through on the content later.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 02:47, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

I do agree with your point on the lead, and I might try to expand it soon. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 04:25, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Lead:

• Quingnam (also misspelled Quignam[3]: 150 ), also called Pescadora (though this name is ambiguous) and Chimú Think this is a bit too wordy. I might just say Quingnam, also known as Chimú,... And have the following part: Sometimes misspelled Quignam and also called Pescadora, though this name is ambiguous as a footnote (efn).
• Would also wikilink Extinct language in first mention of "extinct"
• After the Spanish conquest Might wikilink Spanish conquest of the Inca Empire
• The language went into decline afterwards and was extinct by 1763. "Afterwards" is redundant.
• It is virtually unknown, with a list of numerals, proper names and a few other scattered words constituting the only data on the language. However, a number of place names and personal names have been recorded from the language, and some words presumably of Quingnam origin have been found in the local Spanish of the area it was formerly spoken in. This part is quite repetitive.

History:

• Chimor was founded around 900 AD and conquered by and incorporated into the Inca Empire around 1470 Shorten to: Chimor was founded around 900 AD and annexed by the Inca Empire around 1470
• An early 17th-century letter found during excavations in the ruins of a church at Magdalena de Cao Viejo in the El Brujo Archaeological Complex includes a list of decimal numerals on the back which are probably Quingnam (Pescadora) This sentence is a bit long. Suggest splitting.
• for example, in Guaman in the Moche Valley, residents there already spoke Spanish in 1582 Reword to: for example, residents in Guaman in the Moche Valley already spoke Spanish in 1582
• Quingnam is not mentioned in a 1651 document listing languages needed for the "evangelization of the North Coast", nor in Baltasar Jaime Martínez Compañón's late-18th-century Codex Martínez Compañón, indicating that by then, according to Urban (2019), "it was not considered relevant for the aims of the Spanish" Quite a long sentence here. Suggest splitting.

Classification:

• ...spoken a language called Lengua Pescadora 'fisherman language' by Spanish missionaries I think you should put brackets around 'fisherman language'

Phonology:

• Why is the quote just hanging there? Might properly attribute

Will continue reviewing.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 04:52, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Fixed most issues listed here. I don't really believe that Quingnam is not mentioned in a 1651 document listing languages needed for the "evangelization of the North Coast", nor in Baltasar Jaime Martínez Compañón's late-18th-century Codex Martínez Compañón, indicating that by then, according to Urban (2019), "it was not considered relevant for the aims of the Spanish" is that long so as t require splitting. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 17:50, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Phonology (continued):

• Curious but why isn't there like a phonetics table like Khmer language? Is it because it's mostly speculative?
• Indeed, there are very few toponyms in the Moche Valley which contain this letter. This may be due to a co-occurrence of Mochica and Quingnam in the area. In any case, the evidence for /f/ in Quingnam is very weak This reads a bit too essay-like, especially like the use of "indeed" and "in any case"
• . ⟨d⟩, in contrast, is much clearer in its pronunciation; it is very rare in recorded toponyms I don't exactly understand this sentence. How is it "clearer in pronunication" but rare in recorded toponyms?
• Might wikilink Phonotactics and Stress (linguistics)
• This section might be better reviewed by someone more well-versed in languages.

Grammar:

• What is CVC?
• The suffix -na can be identified in lexical data possibly attributable to Quingnam, though it is uncertain if it is actually Quingnam, such as in the words quirana 'binding with which the reeds composing a roll or bundle is bound in the reed raft used for fishing in Huanchaco', huabina 'freshwater fish', huangana 'binding for reed raft' (though a Quechua etymology from wanqu 'strap, lace' has also been proposed), and palana 'shovel or spade used in agriculture', which is apparently derived from Spanish pala 'shovel' with the element -na, which could also be the Quechua instrument nominalizer -na Quite a long sentence here. I know it's to explain the meanings of some words, but it's too hard to read through.

Vocabulary:

• Actually, I half-wonder whether the analysis can be merged into the table. Like, you create another column for analysis.
• As late as 1811, a report was made by an anonymous priest reporting on the customs of residents of the town of Virú Could shorten to: As late as 1811, an anonymous priest documented the customs of Virú residents.
• These terms include colao and anchaco, which refer to varieties of chicha, circil, a sort of textile used to "store maize in holes in the sand for preservation and to sieve it later", a kind of calabash called pulluyo, and a plant "probably" called casoco used in pulverized form for medicinal use, a tree called oberal or nier whose flowers were used to cure jaundice, of which oberal is also mentioned in the Piura region, though nier seems to be a more regional term, pay pay 'flour' (cf. Mochica pei 'grass'), and an unspecified animal called pac pac "used to cure hernia by opening it alive and placing it on the sick part of the body". Also quite a long sentence here.

These are what I have from my first read through. My impression is that the article is still a bit complex for non-linguists to understand, particularly in the phonology section.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 01:19, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

Tried to fix most issues listed here. There just isn't enough information to add in a table; after all, it is known from just a few words. I can't wikilink "phonotactics" since it's a section header. I tried to explain the wildcard notation up above in the phonology section. I have also converted the long sentence into footnotes. The analysis section isn't super mergeable since a good chunk of it applies to too many words. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 02:33, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

Courtesy ping @ZKang123 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 17:41, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Comments by Generalissima

Recusing to review. There's some problems with the headings and subheadings.

• I don't think the subsections under History are needed, and the one small paragraph of Geographical distribution can be merged to the history section. Per MOS:BODY, short paragraphs generally don't warrant their own subheadings.
• Per MOS:SECTIONSTYLE, you shouldn't call back to the article title in section headings. So 'Quingnam and the lengua pescadora" ought to be "Lengua pescadora", no? (Also, this could be a subsection of classification.)
• The short subsections under Phonology could probably reduced too - Consonants and Vowels work as sections, with Phonotactics under Consonants (as it mostly just talks about consonants). Stress could be put under the main Phonology heading before the subheadings.
• Grammar doesn't need those subsections.
• Loanwords and Spanish vocabulary subsections could be merged.

Other prose comments to come. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 10:39, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

I have merged some of the sections as I see fit, but I believe that some of the sections should probably be kept in accordance with standard language article layout; I can also likely expand some of the shorter sections as well. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 19:42, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

MSincccc

• @Kepler-1229b: I don't have the time to do a full review here but I've made a few minor revisions to the prose. Good luck with the nomination. MSincccc (talk) 17:35, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Jon698

Will leave comments soon Jon698 (talk) 05:12, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• 1. "Lake Tauca is a former lake in the Bolivian Altiplano, a high plateau in the central Andes." -> Wikilink Andes

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:43, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• 2. "As the lake dried, it left the salt deposits of Salar de Uyuni." -> Wikilink Salar de Uyuni

  Already linked farther up. The duplink tool was acting up before, but I got this one. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:43, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• 3. "Lake Tauca was one of several ancient lakes that formed on the Altiplano, alongside earlier lake cycles known as Escara, Ouki, Salinas (ancient lake)" -> Pipe the link for Salinas (ancient lake) so that it just appears as "Salinas"

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:43, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• 4. Remove odd spacing after the second paragraph in the Geography section (Done by me)
• 5. Add alt text to all of the images
• 6. "Subsequent research established that Lake Titicaca was not part of Lake Minchin." -> Could this be the start of a new paragraph? The sentences before cover initial research while the ones after cover modern research

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:43, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• 7. "The name honoured John B. Minchin." -> Remove John B. since his full name was already stated earlier

  Recast. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:43, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• 8. "The reliability of the dates was questioned in 1990" -> Do we know who questioned the reliability of this data?

  'fraid this has to wait until Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Preparing for a short-notice security update to our services is resolved. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:35, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

• 9. Can you move File:Volcán Tunupa - Oruro - Bolivia.jpg into the Causes section? At the moment it is at the very bottom of the Scenarios through the research history section and looks awkward.

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:35, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

• 10. "Some Inca towers" -> "Some Incan towers"

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:35, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Apropos, do you have any thoughts on how to organize the "Scenarios through the research history" section? It isn't the ideal set up I feel. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:43, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

I feel like the current setup is the best possible version at the moment

ZKang123

Will check this out.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 00:43, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Description:

• Wikilink Altiplano in first instance

  Added, but I wonder if it duplicates the lead link. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

  My understanding is to wikilink again in the body.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 14:08, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• Andes, the world's longest mountain chain I'm not sure if it's necessary to point out that the Andes is the world's longest mountain chain here.

  Yanked. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• I wonder if Bolivia's Eastern and Western Cordilleras could be wikilinked to Cordillera Oriental (Bolivia) (east) and Cordillera Occidental (Bolivia) (west)

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• Also style preference, but I felt FNs 2 and 3 could be shifted to just at the end of the first two sentences. It's a bit awkward to see the FNs placed mid-clauses unless you use a comma or semi-colon. It's alright if you prefer keeping this style

  I prefer it in this form, makes it easier to tell what is sourced to what. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• They are the principal source of precipitation in the Altiplano,[18] and the reason why it increases to the north For the latter clause might write to: , explaining the higher precipitation to/in the north

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• Water depths reached 110–120 metres (360–390 ft),[13] (an altitude of about 3,770 metres (12,370 ft) above sea level[37]) making Lake Tauca the largest lake on the Altiplano during the last 100,000[38]-130,000 years.[39] This sentence is a bit difficult to read. Also, does the depth necessarily reflect the size? Kinda suggest a rewrite to: Water depths reached 110–120 metres (360–390 ft) at an altitude of about 3,770 metres (12,370 ft) above sea level. and "Lake Tauca the largest lake on the Altiplano during the last 100,000[38]-130,000 years" should be shifted somewhere. Also, shouldn't an en-dash be used for the date range?

  I have moved this up and recast everything. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Will continue reviewing this section.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 00:54, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Dylan620

Hey, I'm sorry I didn't get back to you last night, I went out with some friends shortly after I left my review at the PR. I do think this article is very close to being ready, at least where prose is concerned. My only slight reservation is the size of §Background, which seems to cover a lot more than just the background and go into detail on the history of the statue. Maybe split off a §Commissioning section? I checked over a few statue FAs – namely The Motherland Calls, Great Western Railway War Memorial, and Arch of Remembrance – and they all have separate sections for the commissioning of the article subject. Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 11:46, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Changed the last paragraph in Background to a Commissioning section.

Does that look good? Froglord (Finnfrog99) (talk) 11:55, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

It looks good to me! I am happy to support, though I do think input from editors more familiar with the topic of architecture would be beneficial. Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 12:26, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! Froglord (Finnfrog99) (talk) 12:32, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Source review from Travis Mulch

Trading source reviews with Finnfrog99 for Toby Fox. This table lists all 64 passages in the article (containing 79 inline citations from 60 unique sources). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script. travis mulch 17:14, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

After this is done, I will convert harvnb references to subreferencing Froglord (Finnfrog99) (talk) 17:44, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Fixed the ruper/robert contradiction with the irish times source Froglord (Finnfrog99) (talk) 19:50, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Added this source for the flats' first tenants
"Ballymun house is 'gorgeous'". Evening Herald. 4 August 1966. p. 3. Retrieved 23 April 2026 – via Newspapers.com. Froglord (Finnfrog99) (talk) 20:23, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Link to Cable television in Ireland added Froglord (Finnfrog99) (talk) 20:24, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Reference #	Letter	Source	Archive	Status	Notes
Misneach .mw-parser-output .IPA-label-small{font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .references .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .infobox .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .navbox .IPA-label-small{font-size:100%}Irish pronunciation: [mɪʃnˠɔx] (English: Courage),
1	a	Murphy 2022, p. 195 "Byrne's sculpture would subvert all aspects of the traditional equestrian monu…			Not manually book-verified.
also known as Girl on Horse,
2		Prior 2009, p. 6 "John Byrne's 'Girl on Horse'"			Not manually book-verified.
Field Marshal Hugh Gough, 1st Viscount Gough, KP, GCB, GCSI, PC was born in 1779.
3		jstor.org
He took part in the British invasion of the Cape Colony in September 1795 during the French Revolutionary Wars, and was deployed with the 1st Battalion of the 87th to the West Indies, taking part in the expedition to Dutch Guiana in 1799.
4	a	Heathcote 1999, p. 148			Book-verified.
Gough commanded the 2nd Battalion of his regiment at the Battle of Talavera in July 1809,
4	b	Heathcote 1999, p. 148			Book-verified.
fought at the Battle of Barrosa, took part in the Siege of Tarifa in January 1812, the Battle of Vitoria in June 1813 and the Battle of Nivelle.
4	c	Heathcote 1999, p. 148			Book-verified.
He led the assault at the Battle of Canton in May 1841, and having been promoted to the local rank of lieutenant general in India and in China on 18 June 1841,
5		thegazette.co.uk			Page-verified.
he also led the assault at the Battle of Amoy in August 1841.
4	d	Heathcote 1999, p. 148			Book-verified.
He commanded the British forces at the Battle of Chapu in May 1842 and at the Battle of Chinkiang in July 1842.
6	a	Heathcote 1999, p. 149			Book-verified.
After the Treaty of Nanking, the British forces were withdrawn and he returned to India.
6	b	Heathcote 1999, p. 149			Book-verified.
He was promoted to the local rank of full general in India on 3 March 1843.
7		thegazette.co.uk			Page-verified.
In August 1843 Gough became Commander-in-Chief, India, and in December 1843 he led the British forces in action against the Mahrattas defeating them decisively at the conclusion of the Gwalior campaign.
6	c	Heathcote 1999, p. 149			Book-verified.
He also commanded the troops at the Battle of Mudki in December 1845, at the Battle of Ferozeshah also in December 1845 and at the Battle of Sobraon in February 1846 during the First Anglo-Sikh War.
6	d	Heathcote 1999, p. 149			Book-verified.
The Second Anglo-Sikh War started in 1848, and Gough took to the field commanding in person at the Battle of Ramnagar in November 1848 and at the Battle of Chillianwala in January 1849.
6	e	Heathcote 1999, p. 149			Book-verified.
He was criticised for relying on frontal assault by infantry rather than using artillery. He was replaced as commander-in-chief by Sir Charles Napier but, before news of his replacement had arrived, Gough achieved a decisive victory over the Sikhs in the Battle of Gujarat in February 1849.
6	f	Heathcote 1999, p. 149			Book-verified.
He advanced in the peerage as Viscount Gough of Goojerat in the Punjab and of the City of Limerick on 4 June 1849.
8		thegazette.co.uk			Page-verified.
He retired from active service later that year.
9		thegazette.co.uk			Page-verified.
He died at St. Helen's, his home in Booterstown, on 2 March 1869 and was buried in Stillorgan.
10		doi.org			Book-verified.
John Henry Foley was commissioned to make a statue of Gough around 1868,
11		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
but died before its completion, leaving his pupil Thomas Brock to finish it.
12		newspapers.com			Clip-verified; is mentioning the others not relevant?
The statue was previously located in Phoenix Park in Dublin, but after several attacks to the statue
13		archiseek.com	web.archive.org		Site-verified; anything more descriptive than "attacks"?
and an explosion from the Irish Republican Army (IRA),
14	a	Marshall 2022, p. 94 "Working with local young people, [John] Byrne recast the horse from the Gough…			Not manually book-verified.
it was moved to the Royal Hospital Kilmainham.
15		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
It was later purchased by Rupert Guinness, 2nd Earl of Iveagh
16		newspapers.com			Nope. Wrong guy. "Robert"; confirmed by The Irish Times. I believe he's the guy in the yellow jacket if you search "robert guinness straffan" on Google? Fixed.
and moved to its current location in Chillingham Castle in Northumberland,
17		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
18	a	newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
where it was restored.
19		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
In the 1960s, the Irish Government needed new housing to replace Georgian tenements in Dublin that were collapsing.
20		youtube.com			Video-verified; is specifying "Georgian" here allowable? Not familiar with Irish history.
21		dublincity.ie	web.archive.org		Site-verified.
They decided to construct a prefabricated housing estate in the village of Ballymun in the city's outskirts, on land bought by the Dublin Corporation (later Dublin City Council (DCC)) from the Albert Agricultural College.
22		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
23		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
The housing estate contained a group of high rise tower blocks called the Ballymun Flats. Construction started in 1965
24		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
and was undertaken by a consortium of John Sisk and Son and Hadens-Cubitts, using the Balency et Schuul system for flats and the Lowton Cubitt system for houses.
25		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
26		Montague 2008, p. 52 "Two separate construction systems would be used for the buildings of the flat…			Not manually book-verified; I don't know construction terminology well enough to critique the phrasing.
The first tenants were relocated in 1966.
27		newspapers.com			Is this good enough to state it happened in 1966? You could either add another source stating it was explicitly 1966, or just say it was reported that year. Fixed.
The flats were the first council houses with access to foreign piped television.
28		newspapers.com			Clip-verified; can "piped television" be linked to Cable television in Ireland for context?
The housing project was completed in 1968,
29		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
30		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
with additional flats being built in 1969.
31		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
Residents grew unhappy with the flats. Promises to build a swimming pool and playground went unfulfilled. The block only had one shopping centre, forcing tenants to buy necessities at shops ran out of containers.
32		Power 1997, p. 242 "In 1966, when the first tenants moved in [..], the estate was pristine, with it…			Book-verified.
33		McDonald 2000, p. 251 "In terms of facilities, this town, the size of Clonmel , had just one superm…			Book-verified.
Many residents dealt and used drugs at the flats.
34		McDonald 2000, p. 251 "The only way out for too many young people in Ballymun was via drugs. At lea…			Book-verified.
People who lived in the housing estate faced prejudice and discrimination, and some employers refused to hire people that lived in council homes.
35		rte.ie	web.archive.org		Video-verified.
Historically, Ballymun has strong links to equestrianism and horses. Beginning in the 1980s, a subculture of "urban cowboys" were a popular hobby among Ballymun youth. The Control of Horses Act, passed in 1996, brought the subculture to near extinction. After the act was passed, locals often described themselves as having to choose between keeping the horses or selling them for drugs.
36		O'Malley 2019, p. 175 "The local children's pastime and passion for horse trading and riding emerge…			p# shows up as 157, do you have a different edition?
In 1997, DCC set up the limited company Ballymun Regeneration Limited (BRL) to conduct a regeneration of the area.
37		magill.ie			Article-verified.
As part of the regeneration, BRL commissioned the percent for art scheme Breaking Ground in 2001, launching it in February 2002.
38		Prior 2009, p. 23 "In 2001, [BRL] commissioned a per cent for art scheme for Ballymun [..] 'Breakin…			Record-verified.
Misneach was commissioned as part of the scheme in 2006.
39		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
40	a	newspapers.com			Is this one necessary here?
41		Pramaggiore 2015, p. 215 "The equestrian statue Misneach, commissioned as part of the Ballymun Rege…			Not manually book-verified.
It was unveiled in front of Trinity Comprehensive School on 17 September 2010.
40	b	newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
The sculpture was originally intended to be placed at the proposed town centre on the former Ballymun Shopping Centre site, however due to plans for a proposed Ballymun MetroLink station, the sculpture was relocated.
42		newspapers.com			Clip-verified, except for the shopping centre mention.
It is the first contemporary equestrian statue in Ireland,
43		Marshall & Murray 2014, p. 375 "John Byrne unveiled the first equestrian statue in Ireland in moder…			Not manually book-verified.
and is the last surviving equestrian statue in Dublin, with the city having four equestrian statues in its past
44		Murphy 2022, p. 195 "Recognising that there were no longer any equestrian monuments in Dublin – the…			Not manually book-verified.
—the Gough Monument (blown up in 1957),
14	b	Marshall 2022, p. 94 "Working with local young people, [John] Byrne recast the horse from the Gough…			Not manually book-verified.
the Equestrian statue of George I (sold to the Barber Institute of Fine Arts in 1937),
45		birmingham.ac.uk	web.archive.org		Document-verified.
the Statue of George II (blown up in 1937),
46		archiseek.com			Website-verified.
and the Statue of William of Orange (blown up 1928).
47		dublincity.ie	web.archive.org		Website-verified.
The decision to display the work in front of Trinity Comprehensive may have been influenced by Philip Napier, who opted to display his work in locations that were meaningful, rather than displaying them in galleries which are viewed as more pristine.
48		Murphy 2025, p. 10 "Not only was Napier making use of found objects and sound to create his install…			Not manually book-verified.
The statue depicts a 17-year-old Ballymun local, Toni Marie Shields, wearing an Adidas tracksuit on a military-style horse atop a marble podium.
49	a	O'Malley 2019, p. 375 "In another part of Dublin today, there is a larger- than- life bronze sculpt…			See 36.
In September 2006, 20 Ballymun locals interested in the sculpture were brought to the Kill Equestrian Centre in Kildare to audition for it. Shields was chosen in 2007, on the grounds of posture and horsemanship, with the sculpture being based off a photograph of her riding a horse there.
50	a	newspapers.com	web.archive.org		Clip-verified.
51		Prior 2009, p. 6 "In September 2006, 20 girls from Ballymun were brought to [the KIll Equestrian Ce…			Not manually book-verified.
The bronze statue was structured from a wax mould of the Gough Monument, with Hugh Gough, 1st Viscount Gough, replaced with Shields,
50	b	newspapers.com	web.archive.org		Clip-verified.
18	b	newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
who underwent laser scanning in London to make a computer-generated wax mould for the sculpture.
40	c	newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
The decision to depict her riding bareback was intended to represent Ballymun's equestrian traditions, with a female rather than a male rider chosen to represent the area's youth culture.
52		Murphy 2022, p. 195 "Shown riding bareback, once a tradition among young people in Ballymun, she is…			Not manually book-verified.
1	b	Murphy 2022, p. 195 "Byrne's sculpture would subvert all aspects of the traditional equestrian monu…			Not manually book-verified.
49	b	O'Malley 2019, p. 375 "In another part of Dublin today, there is a larger- than- life bronze sculpt…			See 36.
It was completed in England and shipped back to Ireland.
53		O'Malley 2019, p. 375 "Not without some irony, Byrne's Misneach was completed in England and return…			See 36.
According to Breaking Ground and John Byrne, the sculpture subverts the expectation typically associated with military imagery, replacing the controversial Gough with an ordinary person to convey a message of "motivation, youth and womanhood". The decision to have the rider be a local teenager wearing a tracksuit was intended to represent and celebrate Irish youth and culture. Speaking for the Irish Independent, Shields said she felt that "the statue was not of her, rather it was for all the young people of the area."
40	d	newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
54		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
55		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
Some locals, including a Labour Party politician, consider the sculpture to be perpetuating a stereotype and an "unfair and subversive image of the people of Ballymun".
56		Murphy 2022, p. 195 "This dignified piece of public sculpture, of and for the people, was thought b…			Not manually book-verified.
Irish playwright Dermot Bolger, writing for the Irish Daily Mail, said what made Misneach wonderful is its "sense of democracy and equality" in a time where there "might seem to be little to celebrate in Ireland".
57		john-byrne.ie	web.archive.org		Website-verified, but is there no better source?
Donal Fallon of the Irish Independent described the sculpture's depiction of an ordinary person in place of Gough as "reclaiming it for the people".
18	c	newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
In her book Tell Everyone on This Train I Love Them, American portrait painter Maeve Higgins compared the statue to another equestrian statue depicting a teenager as the rider in Richmond, Virginia, by Kehinde Wiley titled Rumors of War.
58		irishexaminer.com			Article-verified.
In the book Irish Art 1920–2020: Perspectives on Change, Paula Murphy wrote that the sculpture subverts "all aspects of the traditional equestrian monument" except the horse and the bronze casting, with the reuse of the Foley/Gough horse serving to "return an element of the sculpture to Ireland".
1	c	Murphy 2022, p. 195 "Byrne's sculpture would subvert all aspects of the traditional equestrian monu…			Not manually book-verified.
Murphy also noted that the sculpture's move to Trinity Comprehensive School echoed the removal of the statue of Queen Victoria from Leinster House in 1948, when "carparking requirements rather than politics was offered as the scapegoat".
1	d	Murphy 2022, p. 195 "Byrne's sculpture would subvert all aspects of the traditional equestrian monu…			Not manually book-verified.
The book Art and Architecture of Ireland Volume III: Sculpture 1600–1900 considers the statue to be "participating in a long artistic tradition of modernizing earlier work", with the work having a "symbolic focus" for a specific part of Dublin, although not representing the entire city. The book also considers Byrne's decision to cast a local girl to be replacing Gough with a "new group that was young and without power".
59		Murphy 2025, p. 10 "John Byrne's Misneach (bronze, 2007–10) . Misneach – depicting a young girl rid…			Not manually book-verified.
60		Murphy 2025, p. 505 "When John Byrne, a conceptual artist, put a cast of a girl from Ballymun, Dubl…			Not manually book-verified.

@Finnfrog99 Completed the source review. I only have minor formatting/wording complaints left, those can easily be addressed. Some other things that I suggest: standardizing citation case to title or sentence case, fixing harv errors (Kirkpatrick-Faragó, Marshall-Scott, Brent Ryan-Schneider-Mayerson, Aibhlín). But these are all minor and easily fixable. Support! travis mulch 22:12, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Icepinner

I'm concerned about the length of the background section. It's very long, and I don't think it would satisfy criterion 4 ("It stays focused on the main topic without going into unnecessary detail and uses summary style where appropriate" – note my emphasis with the underline). The two main issues:

• We have a lengthy exposition as to who Hugh Gough was and his military career. But is this all relevant for the reader's understanding of Misneach, a sculpture that is a pastiche of the Gough Monument, which is, in turn, based on Gough?
• "Construction started in 1965 and was undertaken by a consortium of John Sisk and Son and Hadens-Cubitts, using the Balency et Schuul system for flats and the Lowton Cubitt system for houses. The first tenants were relocated in 1966. The flats were the first council houses with access to foreign piped television" the underlined parts are what I view to be irrelevant. How would the type of concrete panel system used in a public housing project be relevant to the reader's understanding of a sculpture? Same with the foreign piped TV thing.

Conversely, there are some details in the article that leave a lot to be desired for comprehensiveness and context. For example:

• "the sculpture subverts the expectation typically associated with military imagery, replacing the controversial Gough with an ordinary person" what makes Gough "controversial"? I'm not familiar with Irish history, and I doubt a good chunk of readers aren't. This would have to be explained in the background section.
• Why did they choose to model it after the Gough Monument? My guess is that the Gough Monument depicts an Irish subject. Or maybe it has something to do with the controversial nature of Gough or the Gough Monument?
• The article mentions Ballymun's historical association with horses and equestrian culture, but doesn't actually go into depth on it beyond the 80s cowboy subculture. Considering that Misneach was created as part of the plans for Ballymun's regeneration, should this not be mentioned?
• "Some locals, including a Labour Party politician, consider the sculpture to be perpetuating a stereotype" what is the stereotype? I am presuming that it involves Ballymun being a "bad part" of Dublin. And why did they think that the sculpture was perpetuating a stereotype? Was it due to the subject in Misneach wearing the Adidas jacket?

I have also identified some prose issues:

• "Beginning in the 1980s, a subculture of "urban cowboys" were a popular hobby among Ballymun youth"
• "The block only had one shopping centre, forcing tenants to buy necessities at shops ran out of containers." what does this mean? Are tenants forced to buy necessities at shops when they run out of containers?
• "The decision to display the work in front of Trinity Comprehensive may have been influenced by Philip Napier, who opted to display his work in locations that were meaningful, rather than displaying them in galleries which are viewed as more pristine" it's not explicitly stated who Philip Napier is, so readers will have to infer that Napier is an artist.

I'm personally leaning toward opposing this nomination, but other people's mileage may vary. I wouldn't be discouraged, though – the article does seem to have the skeleton of an FA (like citing HQRS), so mainly the prose needs fleshing out, I think. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 15:58, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

I have cut the Background section down, do you think it still needs more cutting?

To explain how gough is controversial, I added; History Ireland says that Gough is considered an controversial figure for fighting on the side of the colonists in the Opium War and the Sikh Wars.

"Why did they choose to model it after the Gough Monument?" This fact is explained in the article, second paragraph in Design and symbolism

The "80s cowboy subculture" is the historical association with horses.

"what is the stereotype? I am presuming that it involves Ballymun being a "bad part" of Dublin. And why did they think that the sculpture was perpetuating a stereotype? Was it due to the subject in Misneach wearing the Adidas jacket?" We should not speculate on what they meant by that. They did not clarify their exact intended meaning, so the article only gives the explanation they did

Changed "were a popular hobby" to "became a popular hobby"

It means that they turned containers into shops, they ran shops inside the containers. Changed to " shops that operated out of containers"

I would go back and check how that book described Napier, but a few days after this FAC started, TWL went down when toolforge did. Thank god I added those quotes. regardless, I think that saying "[he] opted to display his work in locations that were meaningful, rather than displaying them in galleries" makes it obvious enough he is an artist without need of additional clarification Froglord (Finnfrog99) (talk) 17:16, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for your responses. Regarding your replies:

It looks better now. I still wonder if the level of detail surrounding Gough's military career before India and China, particularly the Peninsular War period, is relevant given that the bulk of Gough's controversy concerns his career in China and India. We could probably simplify it to "Between 1809 and 1813, Gough also fought in the Peninsular War". But feel free to disagree.

Seems good... you have mentioned off-wiki to me that History Island may be considered a HQRS as it has a pretty strong editorial board (and may be considered a journal, despite its website and Wikipedia page calling it a "magazine").

I forgot that Breaking Ground was the name of the programme... I thought it was the name of a random art website (and therefore thought that the second paragraph was an interpretation of the sculpture). But fair enough. Serves me right :-)

Ah, that makes sense. Whenever I think of "historical" regarding Ireland, I usually think of anything up until the 1800s, or maybe up to WWII. I was under the impression that Ballymun's historical association with horses would be like a stable that was used during medieval times, or a 19th-century cavalry training ground. Certainly not an 80s subculture of cowboys! But thanks for the clarification.

Fair enough

OK

I see.

OK. I'm not too fussy about this.

@Finnfrog99: I'm no longer inclined to oppose this nomination. I might give it a deep read-through once my concerns have been addressed. Apologies for the mix-ups. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 14:54, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Support by Nick-D

It's good to see this article here. I'd like to offer the following comments:

• "Saidor, Papua New Guinea" - PNG didn't exist at the time. PNG also appears in the infobox.

  Changed to "Territory of New Guinea". Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• The first para of the lead is a bit confusing, and would benefit from being restructured to provide a clear statement of the goal of the operation

  Restructured to make it clearer. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• "The Battle of Finschhafen prevented the early occupation of Saidor. The Japanese wrested back the initiative and threatened to derail MacArthur's strategy" - this could also be clarified so people who aren't familiar with this sequence of battles can more readily understand it.

  Tried to rework this. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• "as it was at Goodenough Island but no longer required for the New Britain campaign" - what was the division's role in that campaign? (a reserve I presume)

  The 32nd Infantry Division was intended for the attack on Gasmata, but this was cancelled. It had then become the Alamo Force reserve for the Battle of Cape Gloucester and Battle of Arawe, but was not committed. Added this. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• Can more be said about the Japanese forces and their plans in the background or preparations sections? What's there at present is a bit fragmentary, and combining it would assist readers.

  Re-worked this a bit. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• What combat troops were involved in the initial landing?

  The 126th Infantry. I thought this was clear, but emphasised. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• Link David Dexter

  Oh. I only created that article in 2022. I went through and added links to the references but did not look in the body. We never got all the official historians done. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• The term 'native' for people is generally discouraged these days - 'New Guinean' or 'local' would be good alternatives

  Re-worded. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• Can anything more be said about the civilians' experiences? Sources on this tend to be limited, but sometimes there's a journal article or PhD on the area with useful material.

  All I have is Powell, but I will take another look. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• "Krueger reported " - this appears to be from his memoirs rather than a contemporary report, so I'd suggest tweaking the wording here.

  Tweaked. It probably is in the report. I'll have to check. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Nick-D (talk) 06:47, 18 October 2026 (UTC) Support My comments are now addressed: nice work on this article. Nick-D (talk) 22:12, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Stikkyy

• The infobox, for the Americans, states: 40 killed, 11 wounded, 16 missing – This is a very bad KIA-to-WIA ratio, even accounting for the difficulties of obtaining medical care. Is this right?

  No, it is an error. It should have been 111 wounded. Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:35, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• In the lead there really isn't any context behind the third paragraph, which opens with After considerable construction effort in the face of wet weather, the airbase was completed and proved useful. – The airbase gets introduced here!

  Introduced the airbase in the first paragraph. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:35, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• For the lead I would add some more information about the Allied OOB and the landing itself, note that it was very lightly opposed.

  Added a bit about the opposition. Let me know if you want more. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:35, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• The strength numbers in the infobox (13,000 & 6,000) appears to be uncited, ditto for in the lead.

  Added some more information and revised the numbers. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:35, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• explicit instruction to fight the Japanese – Well, they had to conduct a possibly opposed landing right? Maybe reword it to be more specific, like were they not given instructions to pursue or try to cut the Japanese retreat?

  Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:35, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• However, on 21 January Martin received a letter stating that the mission of the Michaelmas Task Force remained unchanged and a radiogram was received on 22 January to the effect that this was not consistent with Krueger's wishes. On 8 February, Martin received a garbled radiogram from Krueger that indicated that the earlier restrictive message of 22 January had itself been garbled, and on 9 February a radiogram was received authorising offensive action. – What was in the 22 January radiogram that was inconsistent with Krueger's wishes? And north of a dozen days to make a "correction" seems strange to me.

  Clarified. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:35, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

Stikkyy (talk) 00:12, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

Support Stikkyy (talk) 20:53, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

MSincccc

• @ChrisTheDude: Looking forward to another of your football treats at FAC. Comments to follow. MSincccc (talk) 05:48, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

750h

Reviewing!

lead

• the secretary of the Football Association (the FA) if "the" is part of the title then i think it should be linked with "Football Association"
• as no universally agreed rules for the sport existed ==> "as no universally agreed rules existed" (previous part of the sentence works)
• won the final on 16 March 1872, at Kennington Oval in London comma redundant per MOS:DATE

background

• for enforcing the Laws of the Game during a match and the comma before "and"

first round

• A notice was published in The Sportsman indicating that ==> "A notice published in The Sportsman indicated that"
• only four actually took place, all of them played on 11 November. "actually" is redundant. I'd maybe change the comma to a semi-colon, I think it'd work better?

second round

• making the team one of a small number to have entered the FA Cup at least ==> "making the team one of few to have entered the FA Cup at least" (conciseness)
• although a tenth arrived midway through the game "through the game" isn't needed since it can be implied by the previous part

semi finals

• After ninety minutes, the score i'd remove the comma for consistency with the rest of the article

finals

• won the coin toss and "coin toss" is linked here but not above

aftermath

• no problems here

@ChrisTheDude: thanks for this article! Also my candidacy for Dreamlover would appreciate a review as it's been open for a month, no obligation though! Ping me when everything's addressed! 750h+ 13:30, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

@750h+: - many thanks for your review. All done with the exception of the second one under second round. Maybe it's an ENGVAR thing, but in the UK we wouldn't say "a tenth arrived midway". We would conceivably drop "the game" and say "a tenth arrived midway through", but we wouldn't use just "midway" on its own in that sentence -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:37, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

I'll do my best to take a look at your FAC tomorrow...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:37, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Vacant0

Because you helped me obtain more sources for Nadela, I shall in return review this FAC. Expect comments next week. Cheers, Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 18:54, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Image review

• Don't use fixed px size
  • Removed the fixed px. Generalissima (talk) (it/she)
• File:OncorhynchusTschawytscha2.jpg: source link is dead
  • Replaced with a better image. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 12:23, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Not-cheesewhisk3rs

Will take a look when I have the spare time. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 18:45, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

SnowFire

I've done some work on 2 Maccabees articles, but I have to admit I'd never guess that this story might be the one at FAC some day. Nice work.

Unfortunately, I am inclined to oppose at the moment. This is not a hard oppose and it'd be fantastic to get a 2 Macc article to featured status, but I'm concerned this one might need some more time in the oven.

• Doran, Robert; Attridge, Harold W. (2012). 2 Maccabees: a critical commentary. I'm assuming you got the Doran cite from Chapters of 2 Maccabees, since it's a line from there and you're using the same referenced pages in your multicite here as there, but the reference seems to have gotten strangely mauled since. Adding location is fine (I prefer to never include it since it's become meaningless in recent decades, but it's also fine to always include it). However, "A Critical Commentary" has been lowercased (I checked the book, it's uppercase), and Attridge has been promoted to co-author. Not sure how this could have happened since the original citation has him listed correctly as an editor, and I checked the book, and he's definitely just credited as editor, not as coauthor. And Doran's link goes to Attridge rather than Robert Doran (born 1940), and Attridge isn't linked.

• Done!

• Jewish martyrdom in antiquity: from the books of Maccabees to the Babylonian Talmud This is less pressing, but same issue here. I checked the book and it's clearly in title case, which makes sense for a title. And I know that there are some who argue that Wikipedia should just mandatorily put all titles in title case for consistency regardless of what the source says (which I disagree with, but still). I don't really agree with using sentence case in titles - it's against both the usual convention AND the raw source. And... even if mandatory sentence case was a style, it's not done for some of the other references, so. (Side super-nitpick while here: you can add "17" to the series as well, per the Brill page.)

• Done!

• van Henten, Jan Willem (1997-01-01). "The Setting of the martyrdoms and Razis' Suicide". The Maccabean Martyrs as Saviours of the Jewish People: A Study of 2 and 4 Maccabees. I sincerely doubt that this was really published on January 1. If all we have is a year, it's fine, just have the year.

• This is what Brill says

• The publisher's website says for the hardback edition: "Publication: 01 Nov 1997". In any case, year is enough for books and chapters. Month and day is typically more significant for news publications. 🏰 Richard Nevell (talk) 18:51, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• Weird, on the article page it says 1 jan. I removed the month/day NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 18:58, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• Shaw, Brent D. (2011-09-01). Sacred Violence: African Christians and Sectarian Hatred in the Age of Augustine I think you're fine with just a year. But if you're going to include the full date, the website claims it's September 7, not September 1. Please verify which one is correct.

• Done!

• Do you have access to Doran's book? It's on Project Muse if your library has access to that while TWL is down. 281-285 is on this incident, I'd recommend it. I don't actually speak Ancient Greek, but if you're going to have a full section dedicated to Razis's name and the guessing going on, I think it is worth including the name in Greek (if perhaps hiding in a footnote), since everything we know of Razis is from 2 Maccabees which was originally written in Greek. Doran gives the attested variants as Ραζις, Ραζεις, Ραζης, Ραξης, Ραξις, and Ραξεις, FWIW. Goldstein also gives some Romanized variants of Razias, Radias, Rachis, Raxis, Raxius.

• Done!

• Most scholars gloss over and only mention Razis in brief, if at all. This is a rather mouthy claim to source from a PhD thesis. "Gloss over" has a rather hostile tinge that they shouldn't be glossing it over, but I don't think that's fair. This incident was just objectively Not That Interesting compared to the Maccabean martyrs earlier as far as cultural influence goes, or theological influence from some of the other stories in 2 Maccabees. I dunno, all PhD theses need to include some disclaimer that 'My Topic Is Important And Filling a Big Gap', I don't think it's a valid source for this kind of claim. (And even if it was, it was written in 2007, and there are sources since then on this. And the thesis even acknowledges that "this is a marginal episode within the broader narrative.")

• Removed!

• While on the above note, is her last name romanized Eliashav or Elishav? Both forms are used in the article.

• Elishav. Corrected! NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 19:49, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• The narrative of Razis's suicide in 2 Maccabees 14:37–46 can be understood as both an instrumental and performative exit ritual[a] responding to external Seleucid threats and internal (Alcimus's) apostasy. First - instrumental? Is that the right adjective here? Second, "apostasy" is a bit harsh. Make no mistake, 2 Maccabees considers Alcimus a major villain, but he seems to be portrayed more as a "bad Jew." It earlier says he "wilfully defiled himself". Given that he stayed as High Priest, it sounds more like 2 Maccabees is accusing Alcimus of 'merely' being a collaborator hungry for power, not of literally renouncing Judaism (which would be a hell of a thing for even a puppet High Priest to do).

• This is what the source says: Razis’s spectacular suicide may be instrumental as well as performative. Replaced "apostasy" with "betrayal"

• While I'm fine with letting stories stand on their own as stories at times, I don't see anything here on the historicity of this event. Surely some of the sources have commented on this; Goldstein for one says "As told here, the story is hard to believe." Schwartz says "respect and suspicion must go hand in hand" and cites "his blood flowing like a fountain" as "An excellent example of 'pathetic' historiography" (i.e., it's emotional not factual). I think it's pretty clear that this tale grew in the telling, as someone stabbing themselves, bleeding out, running out of a tower, diving into a crowd, getting on a rock, and throwing their own entrails at people, all while chased by 500 soldiers, is something out of Assassin's Creed and uh Did Not Happen That Way Most Likely. (even if someone named Razis committed suicide, possibly in public)

• Done! NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 19:42, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• Roger Tomes writes that Razis's suicide is "regarded as a noble act" due to how it "called for courage" and how he escaped "outrages unworthy of his noble birth" by the Seleucids,[33] unlike Eleazar, who handed himself over to the enemy.[19] First of all, the first half of the sentence is indeed sourced to Tomes, but the second half is sourced to someone else, so this is a bit shady. If the second half was on something simple and factual, it'd be fine, but it's on an analysis, but the source doesn't seem to back this? I don't read Hebrew but GTranslate says that Barsky-Eliashav wrote "In this respect, there is a similarity between him and Eleazar;" The phrasing makes it sound like the author of 2 Maccabees thinks that Eleazar's death was not a noble act, which is definitely false, the author thinks that it's incredibly inspiring and heroic etc. I'd need to read Tomes to comment more.

• Done! Also used an English source NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 19:20, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• 2 Maccabees grounds divine deliverance in the shed blood of its martyrs, drawing structural parallels to both the biblical scapegoat ritual of Yom Kippur and the Greek pharmakos tradition, where individual physical suffering preserves the wider social body I don't buy it. This is a stray line in Neto; I think this should be attributed to Neto at bare minimum, and possibly flat removed. I've not seen the scapegoat = Razis line before, and there certainly are some "the martyrs as human sacrifices that convinces God to turn from wrath toward the Jews to mercy" theology at work here, I don't think this analogy is right. The scapegoat wasn't a suffering hero in Second Temple Judaism, that slant is later. You're supposed to throw the scapegoat off a cliff and think good riddance in this era, which is definitely not the slant the author wants you to feel toward Razis. Same thing with the Pharmakos - that job is given to someone hated, not admired. (I guess an attribution to Neto happens later, but I'd say it should be earlier.)

• Attributed earlier. I think that for noncontroversial topics like these we shouldn't remove published scholar opinion unless it can be demonstrated that it's fringe. @SnowFire: I've also moved and elaborated on the scapegoat comparison in a note NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 19:54, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• Shatran proposes that Razis was targeted since he was "one of Nicanor's most fierce opposers".[19] Who's Shatran? Is this a reference to Menahem Stern? I'd reference Stern directly if so, but given that you're citing Barsky-Eliashav, I'd stick with something closer to her wording of "one of the prominent opponents of Nicanor’s policy". (Which is admittedly hypothetical since the story doesn't tell us why Nicanor picked on Razis, but it's a fair guess.) The existing wording is unclear and could make it sound like an opposer working for Nicanor which would make no sense.

• Added full name and the correct translation. I misunderstood the passage in my original reading; I am not a native speaker. Thanks for catching this NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 20:03, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• Scholars say that the story of Razis's self-disembowelment and the hurling of his organs toward the crowd is without a peer in any tradition. Is this in Van Henten? "any tradition" is a heck of a standard to set, I'm skeptical.

• This is both van Henten and Elishav. van Henten said something like "it's difficult to find similar examples elsewhere" while Elishav straight up said it's unique.

• Jonathan Goldstein further tying the name to the repeated רָזִי-לִי רָזִי-לִי (translated by him as "I pine away, I pine away") in the same verse, proposing that Isa 24:16-18 prophesies Razis's death I might be misreading Goldstein here, he's not the easiest author to get, but... I think his core argument is that "Razis" is a symbolic name chosen to fit the Isaiah verse. It's not that Isaiah was a literal prophecy of this, it's that either Razis's parents named him to fit the prophecy, or the original author of the lost 'Common Source' Goldstein believes exists gave him a really fitting name to make the verse work out as a prophecy.

From Avemarie et al: Goldstein, II Maccabees, 492, connects the name with the repetition of רזי-לי ‘I pine away, I pine away’ in Isa 24:16 and proposes that Isa 24:16–18 was interpreted as a prophecy about Razis’ death NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 14:09, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• Moved to efn with nuance NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 19:41, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• Some scholars, such as Martin Schwartz,[4] argue that the name originates from Persian;[2] Raz means "secret" in Persian. This is pulling a fast one here on the trusting reader. The bit about secret is due to the later reference, but regular readers aren't checking references and counting them off vs. where they appear; they're just reading sentences. And "secret" isn't Schwartz's translation, this is Barsky-Eliashav's. Schwartz says it's Avestan rāzan-, "arrangement". I'd rephrase this to make clear who's saying what.

• Fixed!

• Aya Barsky-Elishav, writing that this may be an indicator of his occupation, centrality in Jerusalem or relations with Judas Maccabeus, proposes that the name's meaning points to Razis being a spy for Judas. Do we have a stronger source than a Phd thesis for Razis being an outright spy? And this comes across as stronger than the source. I read this as Barsky-Elishav spitballing ideas, something weaker than "proposing", since GTranslate is coming up with "one might perhaps suggest" and the like as disclaimers.

• Removed! NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 19:41, 24 October 2026 (UTC)
• Not that I've seen. What do you suggest should be done with this?

• to the renegade former high priest Alcimus, who had voluntarily defiled himself during the Seleucid crisis. This is more of a nitpick, I've cited 3 authors with slightly differing opinions before, but Goldstein 483-484 is arguing that "time of crisis" is a bad translation and it should be "time of peace". i.e. he's saying the author is dating Alcimus's badness to much earlier. So he's a bit of a weird cite here - I'd just include a disclaimer in the citation on what exactly Goldstein IS cited for since he wouldn't agree with the full sentence here.

• Done!

• In Thamugadi, a major Donatist city, 419 CE, Roman troops sent to seize a Donatist basilica in order to hand it over to Catholics, were met with Donatists, led by bishop Gaudentius, Are you 100% sure here? Gaudentius of Brescia was allegedly a bishop in Northern Italy. Timgad is in Algeria on the other side of the Mediterranean. The Wikipedia article doesn't say anything about him traveling. Not impossible, but please verify.

• Yes: At Thamugadi, the great center of the dissident church in southwestern Numidia, he met with determined resistance from Gaudentius, the bishop of the city. Gaudentius planned to take the same course of action that Ambrose had in Milan. He would follow the actions of those bishops whose resistance he no doubt knew from the martyr narratives of his own church. Faced with an imperial order to surrender his basilica to government authorities, he barricaded himself in the church and,like Ambrose,hethreatenedtosurrender his life along with those of his parishioners rather than to betray his basilica to the military. (Shaw 2011)

I still don't buy it. I think it is far more likely that this Gaudentius is a completely unrelated person. See which says nothing about Northern Italy, and the Wikipedia article Gaudentius of Brescia says nothing about Donatism or anything. You need a source that says "Surprisingly, this Gaudentius was in both Northern Italy and Timgad/Thamugadi" and clearly links the people, otherwise this is just unrelated people with the same name. SnowFire (talk) 18:57, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

You appear to be correct. Removed the wikilink. NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 19:04, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• You have a citation to Neto Page 1 - typo surely.

• Corrected NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 19:49, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• His designation as an elder suggests that he was a member of the council of elders (gerousia), which served as the aristocratic governing body of the polis of Jerusalem.[42] FWIW, I would suggest citing Schwartz here as well, p. 487. Goldstein p. 492 does mention it's possible it just means elder as in "old", but... unlikely. (Normally I'd say cut it, but it's such a niche topic that every random maybe is worth a think on including.)

I think the interpretation of the verse as Razis being old can be dismissed as WP:FRINGE. Perhaps we can get a third opinion from others reading this page? NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 20:18, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• Johann Christoph Weigel painting Strictly speaking this is not a painting. "Illustration" perhaps? Weigel was apparently an engraver, not a painter, for how these kind of prints were made.

• Done! NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 20:11, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• Michaelangelo painting identified as 'Suicide of Razis'[26] or 'Joab sneaking up on Abner to murder him'[27] Nit: Michelangelo. Also, this is too contested for caption material. I think there might need to be an art & culture subsection - even if it's tiny - and discuss this, because this is clearly a contested identification. I'm not sure the "it's Razis" side has the majority of scholars, either.
• Nicanor sent 500 troops to arrest and execute Razis Where is "execute" coming from? It's Razis that wanted to die. Text just says "arrest" (and this would sharpen the contrast between Razis's goals anyway).

I vaguely remember one of the sources talking about an execution of Razis. But I see I haven't added it to the article, so it's probably just bad memory. Removed NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 20:11, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• Razis first tried to fall upon his sword, and when that failed and soldiers set fire to his tower, he hurled himself off the wall into the enemy ranks below. I think the order is a bit muddled here. The soldiers are ordered to set fire to the doors (unclear how far along they got, and unclear they wanted to burn the entire tower), and *then* Razis stabs himself, either from seeing the smoke or seeing that he's about to get smoked out.

• That was a critical error! Thanks for catching it (fixed) NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 21:01, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• they say Razis sought to ritually defile and spiritual neutralize his Gentile adversaries. Nit: Spiritually neutralize

• Done! NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 20:11, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• Although the epitomist approved of the suicide Reminder that articles are written for a general audience. I'd consider finding a way to sneak in as background somewhere that by "the epitomist" we mean "whoever compiled 2 Maccabees from Jason of Cyrene's histories."

• Changed to "compiler" NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 20:11, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• A gap: Schwartz notes that Martin Luther was not a fan of Razis's suicide either and used it as one of several reasons to kick 2 Maccabees out of the canon. I'm happy to add it myself if you don't have access to the source, but again for a niche topic like this, I'd say it's worth hoovering up all the sources. This story being one part of why 2 Macc is not in the Protestant canon is definitely relevant IMO.

• I don't have time to go through the article now, but if there is a source explicitly stating that Luther removed 2 Maccabees from the canon due to Razis' suicide (among other reasons) I think that's something that should be included.--PanagiotisZois (talk) 16:06, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• I see now that I missed it in Schwarts: In 1545, in the introduction to his translation of 2 Maccabees, Luther complained about Razis’ suicide (Ch. 14) and the differences between our book’s depiction of Antiochus IV’s death and the one appearing in 1 Macca bees 6. According to his summary of the matter, although it could have been justified to include 1 Maccabees in the canon, it was justified to exclude 2 Maccabees, although the book does have some redeeming features. I am working on this NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 18:06, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• Done! NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 20:10, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

I'd suggest checking Doran & Schwartz at minimum, but as-is, I don't think this one is ready yet for FA status. SnowFire (talk) 04:34, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for your feedback. I've edited the article and responded to most of it, please see and reply if needed before I finish going over everything tomorrow. NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 20:54, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

I've finished going over all you've wrote. Please see if you have anything to add and/or changed your mind on this candidate. Before/after your feedback: Special:Diff/1380397905/1381783845 NorthernWinds ❄️ (talk) 20:30, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Noleander

• @Watagwaan:: The first FAC nomination had 3 supports on prose/MOS but was archived due to the source review, correct? Does the current version of the article address the source review issues that were raised in the first nomination? Noleander (talk) 16:48, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

  I worked with Nikkimaria a few months back to make sure there were no outlandish/unreliable references remaining, and that formatting would stay consistent. Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 16:57, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

  Okay, sounds good. I'll try to do a full re-review soon (ping me if I've not started by 17 October). Noleander (talk) 16:59, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

  I feel bad for pinging you, but at your request, @Noleander! Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 15:51, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

• Add year? During her senior year, White met musician and fellow high school senior Jack Gillis at a coffee shop in either Ferndale, Michigan or Hamtramck. They formed a relationship and married in September 1996,... Maybe add year of when they met, so readers can to the math and see how much time elapsed between meeting and marriage. Alternatively, add words like "... and the married three years later in Sept 1996 ..." or similar.
  • Added!
• Wikilink: In 1997, White began learning to play the drums using Jack's drum kit ... to drum kit
  • Added!
• Word needed? The track "In the Cold, Cold Night" additionally features White singing lead for the first time... Not sure what purpose "additionally" serves here. In addition to what?
  • I used "additionally" there because two songs were mentioned prior, and for flow/going onto a segue to singing versus drumming it felt better.
• P vs PP
  • Handyside 2004, pp. 48. P/PP error? pp. 48.;
  • Handyside 2004, p. 4–5. P/PP error? p. 4–5.;
    • Fixed both of the above!
• Cite uniformity: ISBN numbers should use similar hyphenation: they are not currently
  • Fixed!
• Clarify wording They divorced in March 2000, though they resided in a house Jack purchased from his parents until 2003. probably better for readers as They divorced in March 2000, though they continued residing in a house Jack purchased from his parents until 2003.
  • Fixed!
• Punctuation: Dylan is her primary inspiration and favorite artist, even suggesting that the White Stripes perform Dylan songs live; Jack noted that her record collection was not only "twice as big as mine" but also contained more Dylan records than his own. That semicolon in the middle is probably better as a period.
• Follow-up with details: Dylan is her primary inspiration and favorite artist, even suggesting that the White Stripes perform Dylan songs live ... Article should tell reader whether they did or not. Maybe put as an efn footnote if a minor fact. But if they did not that kinda suggests that Jack did not listen to her? In any case: if sources say they did or did not play Dylan covers should be mentioned here.
  • Fixed both of the above!
• That is all I have. I already reviewed this in the prior FAC #1 and rendered a support opinion then. Leaning support. Ping me when you have considered the above items. Noleander (talk) 16:38, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

  @Noleander Somehow I forgot to reply and ping you. Thank you! Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 15:48, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

• Support on prose and MOS. I have not done an image review or source review. Great article on an important musician! Noleander (talk) 15:52, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Image review

I'll do an image review. TarnishedPath^talk 09:22, 14 October 2026 (UTC)
Full disclosure: After this article was nominated for DYK, I proposed a hook which ended up being what was on the mainpage. However, I have not edited the article at all.

• File:Meg White 1 (cropped).png - CC BY-SA 2.0 (this is fantastic image)
• File:Meg White in 2000 (cropped 3).png - Commons has this as CC BY 2.0. It needs to be updated to CC BY-SA 2.0 per the source (Flikr)
• File:The White Stripes (cropped).jpg - Commons has this as CC BY-SA 4.0; however, Flikr (the source) has this as CC BY-SA 2.0. This needs to be reflected on the commons file.
• File:Jack & Meg, The White Stripes.jpg - CC BY-SA 2.0
• File:Meg White.jpg - Listed at commons as CC BY-SA 2.0; however, both the source and author links give 404s. I've tried searching for archives of the link on internet archive and the results there give 404 also. Also, this source gives credit to Scott Gries/Getty Images, which is entirely different than commons. I think we have an issue with this image. It's possible this image has been ripped off from our community with another person trying to take credit for it; but I have no evidence to support that possibility.
• File:The White Stripes Icky Thump era 2007 (cropped).png - CC BY 2.0
• File:Meg White Primavera 2007.jpg - CC BY 2.0
• File:FoosDublin210819-2 (48620472807) (cropped).jpg - CC BY 2.0
• File:RiP2013 GreenDay Tre Cool 0002.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
• File:Whitestripes.jpg - CC BY-SA 2.0. The source link for this is throwing up a 404. As above the Internet Archive is giving no love; however, the image was reviewed by @Yuval CT (who is an admin over at commons) after its upload and they left a notice that they had reviewed the source and that the image had been appropriately released under the license stated.
• All of the images have alt-text for accessibility, are relevant to the article, and have proper captioning.
• Aside from the images, there are three excerpts from White Stripe songs. These are hosted on Wikipedia, are 15 seconds each and have rationale which meet WP:NFCC. The files are:
  • File:The White Stripes - Fell in Love With a Girl.ogg,
  • File:Seven Nation Army (sample).ogg, and
  • File:In the Cold, Cold, Night.ogg

TarnishedPath^talk 10:36, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Addressed everything except for Megwhite.jpg, because that seems to be a present issue. It was previously reviewed by an administrator several years ago as being on Flickr CC-BY-SA-2.0, and I recognize it's kind of working on good blind faith, but it truly is an impeccable image and if it was once accessible under that license, I'm inclined to keep it. But ultimately, whatever is decided I won't oppose. Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 12:49, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

@Watagwaan, I agree that File:Meg White.jpg is a fantastic image. However, the issue I see is that it wasn't reviewed by anyone beyond the uploader (who is neither an admin here nor commons). I would suggest removing or replacing it with another image (e.g., File:Meg White en Barcelona.JPG). TarnishedPath^talk 14:00, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath Replaced the image, no worries! Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 21:03, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Pass TarnishedPath^talk 00:49, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath @Watagwaan Just an addendum: it's definitely by Scott Gries, this article posted pre-upload on Wikimedia Commons has a "Getty Images" watermark. Image should (unfortunately) be removed site-wide as copyvio. travis mulch 15:27, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

The image is from December 2, 2005. Scott Gries released it to Getty at that time, so Getty has the rights. Not CC. travis mulch 15:32, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

That's kind of crazy that it stayed THIS long without anyone batting an eye. Even made it to the front page for a DYK. 😮 Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 20:54, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Admittedly, it's not your fault, and stuff like this doesn't get checked often (Flickr reviews are usually just clean passes) but sometimes it just happens and goes under the radar for a long time. I'll admit it took me a bit of searching to get that definitive proof. travis mulch 21:01, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

I was on the fence about slapping a CSD on the file, but now I'm not. TarnishedPath^talk 01:10, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Source spot-check - pass

Soon. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 02:22, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

This table lists 8 random passages from throughout the article (5.1% of 157 total passages). These passages contain 9 inline citations (4.6% of 194 in the article). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 03:21, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

@Watagwaan: Source spot-check is all good. I currently have a nomination for "Señorita" up; you may leave comments there if you wish. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 03:30, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

Drive-by comments from Travis Mulch

Mostly just some source quality fixes:

• Does any web link exist for the 2003 Rolling Stone Australia article (c. 91)?
  • This was originally linked to the True book that is frequently cited across the article, but that in itself was taken from an interview that an editor claimed to have found but did not provide a link; I cannot find it for the life of me, so I've reverted it back to the True source.
• Can The Daily Record & NME print citation (c. 102, 103) be replaced with NME itself, since it's an RS? (2002) (2003)
  • Yes, it can!
• Can the Howard Stern YouTube citation (c. 131) be replaced with Loudwire, an RS?
  • Yes, it can!
• Can the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame press release (c. 139) be replaced with Cleveland.com, a news RS?
  • I had already used this in the article and did not even realize I could've replaced the other one. Thanks!
• Can the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame & WRAT citation (c. 152, 153) be replaced with People, an RS?
  • Yes, it can!

The quality of the source bank's very good overall. Good work! travis mulch 04:57, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Not conducting a prose review, but one thing I noticed needed fixing while glancing around is the sentence "In May 2009, Jack revealed the band's plan to release a seventh album, which never came to fruition." Another source is needed to defend the bolded parts. travis mulch 05:01, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you so much @Travis Mulch! I've applied every change; as for the sentence that was unsourced, I removed it entirely since it isn't really worth mentioning considering it never happened. Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 20:17, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Nice. It's good to see "unreliable sources", "press releases" and "social media" disappear from Cite Unseen in an edit. @Watagwaan, ping me if this nomination ends up stalling or if you need an additional review, I'm willing to contribute wherever needed, just busy at the moment. travis mulch 20:19, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

No worries! Thank you very much @Travis Mulch, hope all is well! <3 Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 20:53, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

@Watagwaan: If you need a more in-depth source review done (even as a second-time FAC nominator), I have an ongoing source review request (as a first-time nominator) for Toby Fox, and I'd be willing to trade. I'll strikethrough the comment if someone else gets to it first, though. travis mulch 18:41, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

I'm not very good at source reviews; I can trust my gut in picking reliable sources most of the time when working on articles, but looking at all of them afterwards when I'm unfamiliar with an article/body of references overwhelms me sometimes, I struggle to keep up. Sorry ☹️ Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 04:18, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Sorry, neglected to reply back. Someone else took up the source review. You can still ping me if you need anything. travis mulch 16:41, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Support by Nick-D

Meg White is one of my favourite musicians, and it's great to see this article at FAC. I'd like to offer the following comments:

• "Her last media appearance was in 2009, and she has not been active in the music industry since." - this phrasing is a bit confusing given the White Stripes didn't split up until 2011 and continue to periodically release recordings of their concerts. Replacing 'media appearance' with 'public performance' or similar would clarify things. White is presumably also involved with the process of releasing the White Stripes' back catalogue, so 'not active in the music industry' seems like an over-statement.
  • Their back catalogue is handled through Third Man Records, which White doesn't have involvement with; the last time she was seen in the media was for that Conan performance in 2009, even when the White Stripes formally split up 2 years later.
    • What sources say that she isn't involved with these releases? If there are sources that say that she lets Jack White do whatever he wants with the back catalogue with no involvement, this would be worth noting. Artists usually have all kinds of business and copyright-related involvement in their back catalogue long after their bands disband. Nick-D (talk) 04:59, 17 October 2026 (UTC)
      • Fair point, you've sold me. Made a change! Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 14:49, 17 October 2026 (UTC)
        • I've tweaked the wording here, as it was still a bit confusing. Nick-D (talk) 08:42, 20 October 2026 (UTC)
• References 1 and 2 need page numbers
  • Fixed!
• "and enjoyed the pastimes of roller skating, drawing, building snow fortresses, and doing makeup with her friends" - is this needed? It seems irrelevant given this is the kinds of things all kids do.
  • This was added by another editor, fine to remove.
• Do we know anything about White's history with music before 1997?
  • Believe me, I've searched; it seems like her music beginnings were as early as 1997.
• "and released their self-titled debut album to generally positive reviews" - say when in the year it was released
  • Fixed!
• "the album was praised as the band returned to styles present on the band's first two albums" - this wording is a bit clunky Nick-D (talk) 00:34, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you @Nick-D! Meg is also one of my favorites, she and the White Stripes inspired me to pursue music in addition to acting. For that last one, I reworded it. Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 03:48, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Support My comments are now addressed. Great work with this article. Nick-D (talk) 08:42, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

NRP

Will review! NRP (talk) 12:39, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Comments

• "The results of the competition generated some amount of controversy" - I think "The results of the competition generated controversy" is better
• "Stéphane Lambiel of Switzerland also stumbled on an attempted quadruple toe loop" - "also" makes no sense here so should be removed
• "a quadruple toe loop-triple toe loop jump combination that was meant to have a double loop added as a third element, but which was omitted" => "a quadruple toe loop-triple toe loop jump combination that was meant to have a double loop added as a third element, which was omitted"
• That's all I got - great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:18, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

User:ChrisTheDude: All fixed. Thank you! Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:49, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:23, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Source spot-check - pass

Will do. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 03:54, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

This table lists 2 random passages from throughout the article (4.1% of 49 total passages). These passages contain 2 inline citations (3.8% of 52 in the article). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 03:54, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

@Bgsu98: Source spot-check is all good. I currently have a nomination for "Señorita" up; you may leave comments there if you wish RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 03:56, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

MSincccc

• @Phlsph7: Hats off to you for bringing yet another vital article to FAC.

I might not be able to do a full review, but I've made a few minor revisions to the prose. Good luck with the nomination. MSincccc (talk) 16:34, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

Hi MSincccc and thanks for the help. I would be interested in your comments if you find the time to review the article further. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:11, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

@Phlsph7: I've made a few more revisions.

Types

• "Truth can also be expressed in the field of art by manifesting ideas or understanding through aesthetic phenomena." → "Truth can also be expressed through art, which conveys ideas or understanding through aesthetic forms."

  I implemented a slight variation. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:16, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

• "Psychologists and cognitive scientists study cognitions as truth-related mental processes that acquire, transform, or use information." → "Psychologists and cognitive scientists study cognitive processes that acquire, transform, or use information and examine their relationship to truth."

  I implemented a slight variation. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:16, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Well, I've quite a busy schedule ahead: Mike's FAC and Usernameunique's GAN being among those. Best, MSincccc (talk) 13:34, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

@Phlsph7 I'm on the move till Thursday, but I've made a few revisions to the prose.

I hope you're doing well. Best, MSincccc (talk) 16:08, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

In various fields

• "the approaches of the empirical and formal sciences" → "approaches used in the empirical and formal sciences"

  Done. Phlsph7 (talk) 13:13, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

• "a person has not felt before" → "a person has not experienced before"

  I used "encountered" instead to avoid repeating the word "experience". Phlsph7 (talk) 13:13, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

History

• "truth was understood as aletheia or disclosure," → "truth was understood as aletheia, or disclosure,"

  Changed. Phlsph7 (talk) 13:13, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

• In his transcendental idealism, objects are not entirely independent of observers since the mind actively structures
  • A comma after "observers"?

    Added. Phlsph7 (talk) 13:13, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

• "Various deflationary theories in the 20th century aimed to show that truth is a trivial linguistic device without a deeper metaphysical significance, proposed by philosophers such as..." → "Various deflationary theories proposed by philosophers such as...aimed to show that truth is a trivial linguistic device without deeper metaphysical significance."

  Changed. Phlsph7 (talk) 13:13, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

MSincccc (talk) 10:09, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Theories

• "There are disagreements about whether such features exist and whether a given feature is an essential component or an external criterion only indicating the presence of truth." → "There is disagreement over whether such features exist and whether a given feature is an essential component of truth or merely an external criterion for identifying it."

  Implemented. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:00, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

• "and does not contribute to meaning." → "and does not contribute to a sentence's meaning."

  Done. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:00, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

MSincccc (talk) 14:22, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Definition, Basic concepts, and the lead

• "and as a standard to which right conduct should conform by being responsive to how things actually are" → "and as a standard for right conduct, which should be responsive to how things actually are"

  I implemented a slight variation. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:00, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

• "could act as a truthmaker of the sentence "the carrot is orange" → "could act as a truthmaker for the sentence "the carrot is orange"

  Done. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:00, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

• "independent of other factors" → "independently of other factors"

  Changed. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:00, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

Bottom line

• Phlsph7 It's taken sometime, but that's all from me. I look forward to your response.

MSincccc (talk) 17:02, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

• Thanks for all the useful feedback! I hope I got everything. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:00, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

  @Phlsph7 It was a fine read, pretty much like your previous ones. Happy to support. MSincccc (talk) 12:40, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

LunaEclipse

Image + source spotcheck should be coming in the next two weeks. I'm currently taking philosophy courses in college, so this is a perfect option for me. 🌙Eclipse (SMAAAASH!) 00:06, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Hi LunaEclipse and thanks for taking a look at the article! Phlsph7 (talk) 09:31, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Gerda

I'm interested, will comment as I read, looking at the lead last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

I read the article without problems, but that never happened before, - I'll try again when less tired. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Lead

• "lake freighter": I suggest to pipe "American" into it, because the link otherwise looks as going only generally to lake freighters. You know it's all about the Great Lakes, but someone uninitiated will not. - Also: how about getting "Great Lakes" in there, with a link. The link later in the prose comes a bit late.

  I've linked Great Lakes in the opening sentence.

• Why does this article about a very American topic use European date format?

  This article has always used D/M/Y. Should that be addressed? I don't think it detracts from comprehension of the material.

  Certainly not me, - I'm used to it ;) - please, when replying in a threaded discussion, repeat whatever you reply to, - if a bullet, repeat the bullet, - there's an essay by a friend linked from my user page - look for asterisk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

• "On what was her final voyage of the year" - seems not the most elegant way to start a paragraph, and leaves open if it was planned to be her last of the year, - otherwise is seems to be her last ever.

  Fixed.

• I wonder if the accompanying freighter is needed in the leed.

  Trimmed to remove this excessive detail.

• "complement of 24" - unknown vocabulary to me, but that may be just me. If not, perhaps a link? Or a few more words about people who died?

  Linked Ship's company. Per WP:SHIPSNOTCREWS, articles covering watercraft shouldn't devote excessive detail to the crew, barring any notable members. Also, in this case, we don't know too much about the crew.

• can you please provide a link to hatch?

  Done.

• The long sentence beginning with "Initially believed ..." - I had to read it twice, - would a split perhaps help clarity?

  Done

• "since May 2025" - makes me curious, - without context, the year is information that seems not needed at this point.

  Removed the superfluous info from lede.

Background

• I don't think we need "Main: Lake freighters" which was linked in the first sentence.

  Done.

• I'd start the first sentence with the year, for history, and then "the first iron-hulled vessel", because otherwise it remains a mystery for too long why we hear about a gunship.

  Done.

Design ...

• How does the name and a gala (and did it happen or not?) fit under the header?
• How about first construction, then launch?

  Split detail of name and launch into its separate section.

• "She was flush-decked, meaning indicating the lack ..." - what does "meaning indicating" mean?

  Fixed. I presume this was the result of a past cleanup I failed to remove.

Service ...

• "350 long tons (356 t) of her cargo was removed" - it's probably just me thinking tons were removed?

  Clarified.

• She is in docks, one sentence, and running aground the next, - surprise.

  I've split this section into separate paragraphs to improve comprehension.

Final ...

• "departed Ashtabula for Lorain, Ohio, arriving at the latter later that same day" - what is "at the latter" for?

  Trimmed the sentence.

• surprised that a link for "layup" goes to "In ordinary"

  I have been advised in the past to link layup to that page. On the article itself, it stated vessels in layup are those out of service for repair or maintenance.

• surprised also that there were two Chamberlain - missed that at night, could perhaps be said sooner?

  To my knowledge, the two captains sharing a surname was nothing more than a coincidence. I don't think it's worth including earlier.

  I thought you might just bring the name of the other vessel's captain sooner, but nothing urgent. --GA

Aftermath

• "recovered two hatch further covers"?

  Fixed. Another mistake on my part.

• wl detritus? - or am I the only who had no idea?

  "detritus" → "debris"

• foundering - what's that?

  Changed to She was additionally the only vessel lost in a storm on the Great Lakes that year for the sake of clarity.

• "The detached pilothouse drifted ashore"- do we know when?

  Sadly not. The two articles I found (written in 1969 and 1973) do not so much as state the general timeframe when it was located.

Please check, Akaza. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the review @Gerda. Hope this helps. Akaza ^[talk] 18:54, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick changes and explanations! I support the article for FA per the prose. I'm not the person to go into the sources deeply, but admire your puzzle of all these newspaper bits. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:21, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! As grueling as it was to compile, I feel extremely proud of this article. Akaza ^[talk] 19:26, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Noleander

• Prose: overall the prose complies with WP:FACR 1a: "engaging and of a professional standard". I see a few wording choices that perhaps could be improved, I'll point those out below.

• Aesthetics: The article is attractive and has good illustrations.

• Citations & Source: overall, the formatting is consistent and complies with MOS. I'll point out a few minor issues below.

• I ran the Earwig CopyVio tool, and it was all green: no warnings.

• Is this article using British or US English? I see "recognized" (US) and "meters" (US), but "centimetres" (UK). Uniformity is desired, although I understand some words are borderline (is recognized acceptable in UK these days?)
  • Done

• Consider putting a language-variant tag inside the article at top to let future editors know e.g. {{Use American English}} or the British equivalent
• Will do

• Technical term: The specific name means "very long" ... Lay readers will get confused by this: even if they click on the link. Is it possible to help them with a parenthetical gloss of "(longissimus)"?
  • Done

• Ambiguity ... interest in the rich "Tertiary" (now Neogene) fossil sites of Argentina boomed ... Readers may wonder if that sentence is saying (a) geologists renamed the "Tertiary" period to "Neogene"; or (b) the statum that the bones were in was originally thought to be Tertiary, but later determined to be Neogene. Can the wording be tweaked to remove the ambiguity?
  • Done

• MOS:SANDWICH may be a concern if two images are in a single section, and one is L and one is R, as in the Phorusrhacos#Skull section. Sandwiching depends on the specific device: it is a function of phone/desktop/iPad; the app (web browser vs WP app); the user's WP User Preference skin; etc. So, even though the nominator may not see sandwiching, some readers may still suffer from it. It is safest to keep all images within one section on the same side (all L or all R).
  • Done

• File:Phorusrhacos_skull_composite.png - Nice image, looks like the nominator created it ... artist and writer! FYI: In Commons, image format SVG is strongly preferred over bitmaps like PNG/JPEG/TIF ... because future editors can easily change an SVG image (e.g. change a single color, or slightly change a graphic, or adjust a position, etc). This image format issue (SVG/PNG) is not a bar to FA status, of course, but if you created the image in SVG format, consider uploading the SVG to Commons instead of PNG ... ditto for any other images you created.
  • • Will do
  • To illustrate why SVG is superior: the image File:Karte Fossilfundstellen der Santa-Cruz-Formation.jpg used in the article has German text, which is not ideal for English WP article (Note: I'm not suggesting the language issue is a concern for this FA nomination) ... that image is in JPEG format; if it were in SVG format, anyone could spend 5 minutes with the InkScape app and create a 2nd version of that image with English text.
    • Will do if possible

• Accessibility: To support color-blind users of WP, MOS:COLOR says "Color should not be used as the sole visual means of conveying information...". I'm not doing an image review, but the image reviewer may insist that the image File:Phorusrhacos_skull_composite.png be amended by placing textual letters over the colors (e.g. "A", "B", "C, "D") in the legend and the image itself, so color-blind readers can match them up.
  • • Will do

• Image File:Phorusrhacos_skull_composite.png - Why are there 3 bars in lower right corner? I see one indicates 10 cm, but what are the other two for?
  • How big each specimen is, each bar is 10 cm they're just scaled to each specimen.
    • Hmmm, I'm still confused. In the upper part of image File:Phorusrhacos_skull_composite.png is a complete skull diagram: that diagram can have only a single scale, correct? That diagram includes pieces from 3 specimens: but if each specimin were drawn with a unique scale, they would not fit together snugly into a single diagram. It seems like the entire image can and should have only one scale bar. Noleander (talk) 11:56, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

  Will change. AFH (talk) 14:40, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• Wording In 1889, Ameghino published a detailed monograph on Argentine fossil mammals, including Phorusrhacos. Here, he went into greater detail ... Can the word "Here" be eliminated? or improved? Some readers may think "here" refers to "this WP article".
  • Done

• Wording ... a group of predominantly large, predatory flightless birds commonly known as... Normally "predominantly" applies to a single attribute, but there are 3 attributes follow the word. Does "predominantly" apply to all three of those attributes? Only one? Consider re-wording to reduce confusion. Maybe remove tbe word "predominantly" and explain the subtleties (e.g. "not all were predatory" or whatever) lower in the body text.
  • Done

• Caption Portrait of Florentino Ameghino, the describer of Phorusrhacos. Consider eliminating "Portrait of". Ditto other caption.
  • Done

• Wording In 1888, Moreno briefly mentioned that "large birds" had been found in.... (a) can "briefly" be deleted? (b) Does "large bird" need to be in quotes? Normally quotes are only used for special or unique phrasings used by the source; for plain words you can re-state 1- or 2-word phrases without WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASING worries.
  • Done

• Inconsistent vertical image alignment: When images are placed at the top of a subsection, sometimes they are below the subsection title (e.g. Phorusrhacos#American_expeditions), but other times they are at the same vertical line with the top of the sec title (e.g Phorusrhacos#Revision). Consistency suggests that they all should use the same alignment (for those images at the top of subsections). I believe the MOS prefers such "top" images to be placed just under the subsection title as in Phorusrhacos#American_expeditions. See MOS:SECTIONLOC which says "The first image of a section should be placed below any hatnote (typically a navigational hatnote in the form of {{Main}}, {{Further}} and {{See also}} templates). Do not place an image at the end of the previous section as this will not be visible in the appropriate section on mobile devices."
  • Done

• Topology 1 and Topology 2 cladograms: are not fully displayed: slider bars appear, and user cannot see the full diagram. I suppose this imperfect display is used because these two cladograms are superseded by the later "analysis by Agnolín and colleagues (2025)" cladogram which is the latest, so it gets a full (non-slider) display. I've got a large monitor, and even with that I cannot see the full cladoogram of #1 or #2: which is very unsatisfying. Is there any way to let readers see the full cladogram of #1 and #2? E.g. a thumbnail/zoom technique? Or make them fully displayed w/o slider? These sliders are not a bar to fA status, but it is possible to improve it, consider doing so.
  • I'm a little unsure of what this means and how to go about this.
    • Apologies for no being clear. The section Phorusrhacos#Taxonomy contains three cladograms: the bottom cladogram (2025) is perfect. The upper two (2011, 2015) are not ideal: they are not fully displaying on my device: both of them appear only partly visible, with horizontal scroll bars below them. Do you see scroll bars on your display? Some readers may want to see those two upper cladograms without scroll bars. It is hard to appreciate or study a cladaogram if it is partly visible. Even when I stretch my web browser really wide the horiz. sliders never go away. I'm suggesting that you investigate to see if there is some way to display the full cladograms. As a last resort, you could display both of them fully, same as the 2025 cladogram ... but that might mean you cannot display them side-by-side (so the section would become taller). That is a difficult trade off. What do other FA-quality articles with multiple cladograms do? Are sliders common for cladograms in FA articles? I don't recall seeing silders before. Noleander (talk) 11:56, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

  This is the same cladogram in the Titanis and Kelenken FAs. AFH (talk) 14:40, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• Wording ... was joined by the American Museum of Natural History on the last ... : consider was joined by a team from the American Museum of Natural History on the last ...
  • Done

• Wording ... collecting a trove of new fossil bird ... Is a better phrasing available? "Trove" is something one finds. But after two teams collect a bunch of items and give it to a museum, it is no longer a trove. Consider The teams excavated a trove of ... or ... excavated a collection of new fossil ... or altogether collecting a large amount of new fossil bird and mammal material. etc.
  • Done

• Image license: File:Phorusrhacos sehuensis holotype NHMUK.jpg - This is not an image review, but in the spirit of making the future image review go more smoothly, the image's page in Commons says license is CC-4, but the source URL says "License CC0-1.0". That disconnect should be resolved. Also: ideally the "Description" text in the Common pages should quote any license/CC information from the source URL ... not only to help readers, but also if the source URL changes in the future (e.g. URL becomes dead, or they change the license type) you want to capture the license as it was on the day you uploaded the image to Commons!! Could mean the difference between the image getting deleted or retained in the future.
  • Will look into alternatives

• Wording? Litopterns such as Theosodon (depicted), were possible prey items for Phorusrhacos I've never heard the phrase "prey items" before. Consider the simpler "prey", unless "prey items" carries a special meaning
  • Done

• Cite uniformity: some ISBNs have hyphens, some do not. Should be al the same.
  • Will do

• Mysterious source: Ameghino, Florentino (1899). "Sinopsis geológico-paleontológica. Suplemento (Adiciones y correciones)". La Plata: 13p. I cannot tell what that is: a book? A monograph? Is there any URL that you can supply to let readers track down this source and learn more about it? Maybe some index in a library? And what does "13p" represent? 13 pages? I've never seen the number of pages displayed like that in a citation before, but I guess it is harmless.
  • As far as I can tell, it was simply a supplemental article. I can't find much information on the paper or the paper itself.
    • If there is no URL available and you got that source thru unusual means (e.g. email to a librarian), consider adding those instructions into the citation as a textual note after the closing double brace }} .... such notes are acceptable. The goal is to give readers (and reviewers) a way to read the original source (e.g. for the FAC source review). Noleander (talk) 11:56, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

  I did not read the source itself, it is just credited as the paper where that species was named. This is traditional for a lot of descriptions of species in WikiPaleo pages. AFH (talk) 14:33, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• Same for Mercerat, Alcides (1893). "Note sur la géologie de Patagonie: Buenos Aires" [Note on the geology of Patagonia: Buenos Aires]. Helvetia (in Spanish): 6p. Any URL available? Readers will want breadcrumbs to find what you read.
  • Same issue as with article above

• Source has a warning: "Generally unreliable" Cost, Ian N. (22 August 2020). "Extinct Animal of the Week: The Name of Many Terrors". Extinct Animal of the Week. Retrieved 30 May 2026. Such "Generally unreliable" warnings can be ignored provided the source is essential to the article, and there is no superior (more reliable) source available. Or: If you have examined the publisher & author and found the warning to be a false positive.
  • Done

• Use of "location" field in book sources is inconsistent: 4 use it; 2 do not. Ideally all or none use "location"
  • Done, I believe

• Author formatting: last1=Federico J. Degrange, Drew Eddy, Pablo Puerta, & Julia Clarke Kinda abusing the "last1" attribute there :-) It is causing a warning to be displayed when I run a cite-check tool. Can that be improved? Consider using "author" or multiple last/first pairs?
  • Done

• Not a big deal, but I was looking for a "Taxonomy" section in the Table of Contents, and did not see it. The section I was looking for [the section containing the latest cladogram] is named "Classification" .. is that section name following a convention for paleontology articles?
  • Done

• I gotta say, the assortment of images is really, really nice: Informative, attractive, laid-out in a pleasing manner. Good work.

• Nested quotes should use single quote on interior pair:
  • ""Terror Birds" (Phorusrhacidae) from the Eocene of Europe Imply Trans-Tethys Dispersal"
  • Done
  • "List of generic terms proposed for birds during the years 1890 to 1900, inclusive, to which are added names omitted by Waterhouse in his "Index Generum Avium""
    • Done

Both should use quote marks like this: "aa aaa aa 'bbb bb' aaa aaa"

• That is all I have for now. A superlative article! Ping me when you have considered the above, and I'll make a second pass. Noleander (talk) 10:50, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

  Sorry for the delay in implementing many of these suggestions. I will be able to get to the rest of them within the next few days. AFH (talk) 13:02, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

Comments by LittleLazyLass

Only got through the first two history subsections so far, but unfortunately I have to say they they need a lot of work.

• Most of these aren't problems, but there's some structure and big picture things that I think could be altered to better tell the story of the feud:
  • I feel a bit of a disconnect in how the sentence This included exploration by two teams of Argentine paleontologists: Florentino and Carlos Ameghino, who operated independently, and Francisco Pascasio Moreno and Alcides Mercerat of the Museo de La Plata (MLP). introduces this as a four person story, but it plays out much more like a two-person conflict with two side characters (which is how Buffetaut tells it). This causes some ambiguity when the competition section starts using "Ameghino" to refer to Florentino when there's two Ameghino brothers in the story. It's not hard to figure out, but I think it'd all read clearer if Florentino and Moreno are introduced first and Carlos and Mecerat are clearly framed as secondary figures.
  • I also think that introducing the brothers as independents in that sentence reads awkwardly, as the next few sentences start back at them being employed at the museum and restate them going independent. I'd just start chronologically with them working at the museum.
  • I think it'd help the flow if you combined the "at the same time as..." and "In 1891, Moreno and..." paragraphs. Moreno organising expeditions and then describing the remains found there in 1891 are directly connected concepts, which didn't occur to me on the first reading due to a paragraph break.
  • Paragraph two on the naming of Phorusrhacos immediately follows us being told that the Ameghinos went independent. But in the timeline, these events are the other way around. The dates are provided, but I totally missed the fact this happened while he was still at the museum on my first reading.
  • Mecerat is stated by Buffetaut to have been hired as a replacement for Florentino, which I think would be a nice bit of added context rather than him just being another random guy in the narrative.
  • Purely a subjective suggestion, but I'd split up these sections differently. The second is called "competition", but said competition begins in the prior section. I'd throw the whole Ameghino/Moreno affair under a "Discovery and competition" section, itself split into "Initial misidentification" and "Reinterpretation as a bird"; the first paragraph of the current "competition" section would move to the first subsection, as it clearly belongs with the other naming information rather than the following four.
• Some details, I think, need some expansion or are missing:
  • Buffetaut contextualises the story, saying that Patagonian fossils were first found by Darwin but largely ignored until Moreno founded the La Plata museum and then hired Ameghino. You don't need more than a sentence or two, but I think it makes for a great foundation for the debacle. Saying the Argentinian boom "included" Moreno and Ameghino really feels like underselling things!
  • The article doesn't state that Ameghino loses access to the museum collections are his falling out with Moreno. Obviously the reader should be able to intuit this, but seeing as it's a major motivator of his activities from that point I think it should be mentioned outright.
  • until 1967, when American paleontologist Pierce Brodkorb corrected its use.[19]: 162-163 - Buffetaut's paper on Phororhacoidea goes on to explain an entire ICZN petition trying and failing to give priority to Phororhacos following this paper. Saying that it ended cleanly in 1967 is therefore very misleading and the ICZN action is surely notable enough to go over.
  • Fairly passive terminology is used to describe Moreno/Mecerat 1891's correction of Florentino's Phorusrhacos identification, and likewise for Florentino's response to that paper. In Buffetaut's telling, both responses are explained as quite personal and aggressive. I'd make this more clear.
  • Likewise, though the article states that Florentino incorrectly credits Carlos for first recognizing giant Patagonian birds Buffetaut makes it quite clear there was a deliberate, concerted attempt to actively discredit Moreno and Mecerat's claim to the accomplishment; I'd rephrase it in that light.
  • I'd probably include at least one sentence about the publication date spat mentioned in Buffetaut's paper.
  • Even though this isn't an article about Florentino, I think the conclusion of his story is a bit too sudden. The motivations for him selling his fossil bird collection (financial difficulties and more interest in mammals, per Buffetaut) seem worth mentioning; him regretting the sale later could also be thrown in, though I don't think it's necessary.
  • The fates of Carlos and Mecerat aren't acknowledged in the article, but explanations are available in the Buffetaut and Hospitaleche citations. I'd probably give a sentence to it, but if you feel their roles are too minor for this to be necessary that's fair.
• A few small details and bits of prose feedback:
  • The history section says Ameghino reclassified Tolmodus as a synonym of Phorusrhacos, but the species section below says Andrews did this. Was this done independently by both authors, or is there a mistake here?
  • Ameghino went on to claim that Carlos was the first to recognize the existence of giant birds in the Tertiary of South America in 1891,[2] when in actuality Moreno had in 1889. - Moreno recognized this in 1888, as you stated earlier. Buffetaut does mention both an 1888 and 1889 publication on the subject, but obviously the 1888 one was the first recognition.
  • In 1888, Moreno mentioned that fossils of large birds had been found in Monte Hermoso by these expeditions. The next year, he classified them as belonging to two new genera of lamellirostral web-footed birds: Mesembriornis and Palaeociconia.[10][22] Though these fossils do not belong to Phorusrhacos.[5][21] - starting the second sentence here with "though" reads quite awkwardly to me. I'd rearrange this, saying that although they do not represent Phorusrhacos they first demonstrated the existence of giant birds in Patagonia. This first recognition is given importance later in the section, but not when it actually happens here.
  • They named several genera and species, such as Owenornis and Stereornis, based on fragmentary material. Furthermore, they placed these taxa in the now-defunct order Stereornithes - the "placed" phrasing gave me the impression that Stereornithes was a preexisting group they put these taxa in. I'd say they named or erected the group Stereornithes to contain the new taxa (Hospitaleche can be cited for this).
  • In 1895, Florentino described the mandible in detail and noted the discovery of the fragmented skull, including an illustration. - this is the only time in the competition section you use "Florentino" instead of "Ameghino"; it should be consistent with the rest.
  • While I don't expect much detail on synonyms when they have their own section, I'd mention what Tolmodus was based on if you're going to dedicate a sentence to it anyways.
• Most concerningly, I take a number of issues with use of and consistency with sources:
  • Buffetaut's source should be cited way more. It's common to need to use primary sources for history in palaeontology as secondary ones just don't exist, but given the perfect one does exist in this case it should be slapped on every applicable sentence in this section. It's more complete and less biased then the primary sources.
  • Their discoveries comprised thousands of fossils from Cenozoic fossil deposits throughout Patagonia and central Argentina.[6][7][8] - do the provided primary sources say this? It sounds like something you'd only get from a secondary source after the fact.
  • The descriptions produced by Florentino were short, vague, and sought to establish priority for new taxa before his competitor, Moreno, could. - this appears to be unsourced; the next citation, the 2019 skull paper, says nothing about this. It's also incorrect, as while the 1887 descriptions were very preliminary he was still working for Moreno at this point and so was not his competitor (see aforementioned issue about the chronology and paragraph two). Buffetaut speculates he may have already been falling out with Moreno and this motivated him to establish priority quickly, but that's quite a bit different from what you're claiming here.
  • Despite this, Phororhacos continued to be used for decades[18][20] - citation 20, published in 1899, cannot possibly be used to support this statement.
  • Following its discovery, Ameghino gave a comprehensive description of Phorusrhacos and corrected his previous error by classifying it as a bird. - this directly states he changed his mind following the skull and heavily implies causality, but according to Buffetaut the timing is uncertain and he only presents the skull as a plausible catalyst for it.
  • In 1895 and 1896, Ameghino and Moreno sold much of their respective fossil collections to the Natural History Museum of London.[5] - Buffetaut (your only citation here) makes no mention of Moreno selling his collection. Given Moreno's collection was that of the museum, I'm pretty sure this is just wrong. Instead you should mention Moreno leaving the museum due to its incorporation into the university, which Buffetaut identifies as his exit from the story.
  • Many European naturalists did not study Ameghino's or Moreno's taxa, especially their phorusrhacids, on account of their confusing taxonomy.[1] - this is highly liberal source use of a primary source. Lydekker isn't objectively documenting a phenomenon of Europeans ignoring their taxa, he's insulting them in a flowery fashion. He most certainly never says they especially ignore their phorusrhacids, merely comparing them to Argentinian mammal taxonomy being "disheartening" and "repulsive" to European students. Either cut this sentence entirely or present a better citation for it.

I'm not going to oppose right away without giving the chance to work out these issues, but I have significant reservations that this article is at Featured Article level if this section is representative of the article as a whole. Many of these issues are minor, but they add up and both the several counts of misrepresenting sources and completely missing ICZN case are both major red flags. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 20:21, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Nick-D

I'll focus my comments to the military history element of this article, which is what I'm best placed to comment on:

• "Sherman, who had just captured Atlanta,[22] decided to pursue the coastal city of Savannah with a unit of 62,000 troops" - the grammar is off here, and this is not professional quality writing as it needlessly over-simplifies things (how the decision to march for Savannah was made and what the Union army comprised)
  • I added some more detail but I don't think it's quite enough. When this article underwent a peer review, a few months back, someone suggested I prune the section on the march itself considerably.
    • This looks good now, and is a good summary of a complicated campaign. Nick-D (talk) 10:01, 12 October 2026 (UTC)
• The other two paras in this section are much better.
  • Thank you.
• "became Sherman's unofficial theme song" - theme song seems a modern term and concept that is unlikely to have applied to Sherman
  • I replaced this with "became closely associated with Sherman".
• ""Marching Through Georgia" does not share the same popularity in the nation's other half" - this applies Civil War era geography to the modern US, which seems rather meaningless given many of the current states didn't exist then
  • Yes, I just wrote "the South" instead.
• The examples given to support the song's supposed dire reputation in the modern south are all over 100 years old. Does this still represent modern views given that views of the Confederacy have evolved a lot over time? (for instance, how is it perceived by African Americans in the South given the March to the Sea helped destroy slavery?) Nick-D (talk) 09:59, 9 October 2026 (UTC)
  • The trouble is that those are the most recent examples I could find. Wherever possible, I've made it clear that the South has traditionally disliked the song.
    • I don't think that the wording, which is generally in the current tense across the article, communicates that. I've commented on this further below. Nick-D (talk) 10:01, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

Hello Nick-D! I feel honoured to have an enthusiast (or, unless I'm mistaken, an expert) of military history look at my little article, and of course, I agree with pretty much everything you've said. But I'll talk in more length tomorrow, after I've gotten my dose of sleep. DannyRogers800 (talk) 16:41, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

To be more helpful here, I'll have a crack at a full review:

• The first sentence (or at least the first para) of the lead should include the date this song was written
• " Its reputation has also floundered in the South" - I'm a bit doubtful about presenting this as a current fact without a specific source attesting to this - the most recent source cited for this statement is 31 years old
• "Marching Through Georgia" was his most fruitful work yet" - the grammar is a bit off here, and this seems unclear. I suspect that you could omit this sentence, or move it elsewhere.
• "Work does not write" - should be in past tense
• The sentence starting with 'Edwin Tribble opines that' is rather complex and could be split into two sentences
• "Accordingly, Sigmund Spaeth advises readers not to sing or play Work's composition to a Southerner" - this dates from 1948 but is being used to support a statement from a 1995 work
• "Three incidents at Democratic National Conventions illustrate Georgia's contempt for the song" - as above, this is ancient history and needs to be reworked to present it as such. Race relations and views of the Confederacy were obviously very different back then.
• Note h should be integrated into the body of the article
• From looking for recent additional sources, the Google Books excerpt indicates that this book has some material about black musicians using the song to mock whites and this article notes that a Georgian audience was receptive to the song in the 1970s, putting this in the context of changing views towards the Confederacy in this period (the latter is from a student but peer reviewed journal, so might be marginal as a reliable source, but seems illustrative). Nick-D (talk) 09:53, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

These are good suggestions, I think. I'll catch up with them soon once I finish some other things on Wikipedia. DannyRogers800 (talk) 18:51, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

@Nick-D I think I've addressed everything, except that I can't access the first book you mentioned. See what you feel about my treatment of the song's reputation in the South. DannyRogers800 (talk) 22:58, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Eddie

I would like to offer a full review, time allowing, after Nick has had his say. Feel free to ping me. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 17:54, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Image review - pass

Hi Gonzo fan2007 and BeanieFan11, happy to do the image review. It didn't work out with the last nomination, so let's hope for a better outcome this time. I don't think much has changed relating to the images. The article contains the following images:

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Carl_Zoll,_1920.png

  PD

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Carl_Zoll_first_defeat_newspaper.jpg

  PD

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_1919_Green_Bay_Packers.jpg

  PD

All images are relevant to the article and placed in appropriate locations. They have alt-texts and captions. Phlsph7 (talk) 10:18, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

MSincccc

• @Epicgenius: I've taken a look and made a few revisions to the prose.

While I am busy this week with schoolwork and other commitments, I might return to do a full review later. Good luck with the nomination. MSincccc (talk) 03:32, 7 October 2026 (UTC)

750h

I'll take a look. 750h+ 16:15, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

lead

• it was built between 1938 and 1939 ==> "it was built in 1938 and 1939"
  • I changed it to "from 1938 to 1939" to emphasize that the year range is inclusive. "In 1938 and 1939", to me, would be better for multiple structures built in 1938 and in 1939. - EG
• It was hosting 100 conferences a year suggests it was hosting exactly this number of conferences a year, when the article body states it "hosted up to 100 conferences a year"
  • Done. - EG
• Would "mezzanine" be worth linking?
  • Done. - EG

site

• No problems here

• architecture
• Present tense is used for the preceding sentences, but this one uses past tense: "The radiating wings contrasted with"
  • Fixed - Johnson Wax still exists, too. - EG
• in which separate rooms appeared to blend with one another "with one another" is redundant
  • Removed. - EG
• Wright referred to the living room as a "wigwam", given how the chimney's rooftop I think this would work better as "Wright referred to the living room as a "wigwam", as the chimney's rooftop"
  • Done. - EG
• while the fifth fireplace is on the mezzanine level per above, would "mezzanine" be worth linking?
  • Done. - EG

history

• Legend has it that a white dove perched on the house before flying away, foreshadowing the fact that "the young mistress will never live in this house".[9][56] is this part needed? I don't know, it feels kind of trivial
  • Yeah, you're right. I removed it. - EG
• Johnson's children were initially hesitant to move to the house but eventually became fond of it; Sam likened it to a spaceship.[52] Sam Johnson recalled that, after the family moved to Wind Point, "I thought my friends would never find me, but they would all get on their bikes and come out here and we'd have a wonderful time." Should "Sam Johnson" be changed to "He" as he's mentioned in the last sentence?
  • Done. - EG
• Among the modifications that did take place were the addition of restrooms,[31][33] the conversion of the garage into offices, and the conversion of the playroom into a conference room. ==> "Among the modifications were the addition of restrooms and the conversions of the garage into offices and the playroom into a conference room."
  • Done, with slightly different wording. - EG
• Paffrath continued to lead Wingspread and the Johnson Foundation until 1980,[118] at which point University of Oregon president I would change "at which point" to "when"
  • Done. - EG
• conferences were moved to an outbuilding called the House "the" in "the House" is not capitalized here but is in the "Site" section. I assume they refer to the same "House"?
  • Indeed they do. I fixed it. - EG

management

• Should "Johnson Foundation" be bolded? I'm not really sure about the rules surrounding bolding
  • Per WP:BOLDREDIR, yes, as Johnson Foundation does (at the moment) redirect here. - EG

impact

• The word "writer" is used quite a lot in the "Reception" section. Maybe some could be replaced with "critic" or "journalist"?
  • Done. - EG
• said in 2011 that "On a bright and warm "On" should be lowercase
  • Done. - EG
• Its hearth and oversized chimney inspired that in another house on Kiawah Island, South Carolina.[171] and the Museum of Modern Art in New York owns an architectural model of the building.[172] I think the first full stop should be a comma?
  • Done. - EG

@Epicgenius: that's all I got, thanks for the article (feel free to reject suggestions with justification). I have an open FAC for a Mariah Carey song, which would appreciate a review if you can. Best, 750h+ 15:27, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

• • @750h+: Thanks for the review. I've addressed all the comments you've raised. I can probably take a look at your FAC next week. Epicgenius (talk) 16:02, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

MSincccc

• @Phoenix: I might not be able to do a full review, but I have made a few minor revisions to the article. I hope you have a fine journey. Best, MSincccc (talk) 18:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

RandomEdits

Drive by comment: I changed the dmy ref format to mdy since this is a US ship, per MOS:DATETIES; feel free to revert if I missed something there. I will do a source review for this this week, but first you've got a ref errors in your ref and notes sections. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 20:53, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

I had it in DMY as that’s what MILHIST uses. I’ll be reverting it back. And I will fix those stupid errors 🤦‍♀️ Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 21:26, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Fixed those errors! They frustrate me, lol! Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 21:53, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Image review

• Some images are missing alt text
• Accommodation_plans_of_USCGC_Dione.png: the tagging used is for when the artwork itself is the subject of commentary - that doesn't appear to be the case here?
• File:3-inch_23-caliber_gun_aboard_USS_SC-291.jpg: when and where was this first published?
• File:Convoy_in_WWII_off_North_Carolina.jpg: source link is dead. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:46, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

• Done.
• Oops! Is there something better it would fit under?

• Suggest a generic fair use tag.

Nikkimaria (talk) 02:47, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

• Applied "Non-free in US", is that acceptable?

• https://www.subchaser.org/deck-gun-323-caliber-sc-291. Says it was "purchased in Chicago in 1959 by a resident of Minnesota." It is tagged US PB and has been uploaded here since 2011.

• Why is it believed to be PD? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:47, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

Unsure. I can remove this from the article, it’s not really if you wish. I’ll be replacing it with this image of her sister ship’s gun. Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 09:58, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

Replaced. Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 11:20, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

• I have found a few copies of it online with reverse image search. https://picryl.com/media/convoy-in-wwii-off-north-carolina-19ff95, ex. Image was also uploaded in 2011 and credited to US Navy, tagged PB.

Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 01:09, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria apologies for the ping, but are the issues you raised adequately addressed? Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 11:23, 8 October 2026 (UTC)

Yes. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:50, 8 October 2026 (UTC)

Great. Thank you for doing the image review! Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 12:04, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

Nick-D

I thought that this article was in excellent shape when I reviewed its A-class nomination. From having read it over again, I'm happy to support promotion to FA class as well. This is a professional-grade article. Nick-D (talk) 06:12, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you Nick, I greatly appreciate it. Sorry the A-Class review went so haywire. Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 09:56, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

Stikkyy

• The cutter was placed in reserve for about a year before being sold as a supply ship in March 1964. – March 1964 not supported.

• Typo, fixed to February.

• I think that the last paragraph in the lead can be trimmed significantly, right now, the play-by-play of her ownership is being provided the same consideration as the ship being gutted by fire.

• Fixed. Appropriate?

• Mounted on the bow was a 3-inch/23-caliber gun supplied by a magazine located in the keel. – The entirety of the keel? Or, as I assume, in the keel below the bow?

• Below the bow, fixed.

• The timeframe of "September 1942–1944" seems very barebones, although I suppose it is possible that there's simply nothing there.

• Yeah, basically nothing.

• There's a shakedown cruise associated with the February 1951 recommissioning, and it seems, another shakedown associated with the March 1952 arrival at Freeport. What happened in between to cause this?

• Unknown.

• Similarly, in the infobox, her service resumes in 1952 despite 1951 being provided as her recommissioning date.

• Oops. Fixed.

• It seems like the Axtell J. Byles was not sunk by the attack?

• Loss can refer to a ship merely damaged. Edited

• I'm having trouble reconciling The convoys began to run at night following the loss of Axtell J. Byles. Dione began patrolling around the Wimble Shoals Buoy after her escort missions were finished, beginning demolition exercises on the wreck of Axtell J. Byles on 25 April. She would continue dropping depth charges for the next few days. with The Axtell J. Byles arrived to Hampton Roads under her own power in the evening and was repaired. Stikkyy (talk) 17:02, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

• Appears to be my misreading of the source. I've fixed.

• Regarding c:File:Dione depth charges.png, the Coast Guard page states – Most of the historical photos were donated by Seaman 1/c Harrison Ochs, USCGR. I'm not sure if the provided PD tag is as clear-cut of a case as it seems? Unless I see a NARA or NHHC label attached to it, I think that there is the possibility of the photographer acting in their capacity as a private individual, personally I tend to shy away from using images released from private collections in my articles ... @Nikkimaria:

• See below. Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 11:34, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Stikkyy (talk) 21:00, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

I see what you're saying, but since it is published on an official site and doesn't have an alternative copyright statement attached, I'm inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:26, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

UC

• The amendment banned the "manufacture, sale, or transportation" of most alcohol : nitpicking, but I assume we mean to say "alcoholic drinks" or similar. Prohibition didn't outlaw industrial uses of alcohol (e.g. as solvents or steriliser), and of course we mean ethanol rather than methanol, glycerol etc.

• Changed to "most alcoholic drinks".

• she was a member of the 125-foot (38 m) Active-class patrol boats : this has got lost somewhere: she was a member of the patrol boats? Suggest "Active class of patrol boats".

• Added "of" and linked the class.

• the Coast Guard was overwhelmed by the volume of smugglers : I think either the volume of smuggling or the number of smugglers, unless we mean that the smugglers were individually very overweight.

• Yes, fixed.

• Does U.S. have dots in it? It doesn't in the article text but does in some of the sources.

• All instances of "US" have become "United States".

• Alongside its normal duties, the Coast Guard shifted to impose a blockade along 5,000 miles (8,000 km) of American coastline: this comes in an odd place: I assume it predates the sentence before: by 1924, the Coast Guard was overwhelmed by the volume of smugglers and struggled to intercept more than five percent of the flow of alcohol.? Or did they get overwhelmed before even trying to put up a blockade? Separately, it might help to have a sense of the sort of resources/ships/personnel the USCG was working with at this time.

• I've moved the sentences around, lmk if it works. @User:GGOTCC can handle the specifics; he wrote that part.

• Alongside its normal duties: I think it's worth being explicit about what those are/were.

• Done.

• new patrol boats and destroyers—which had formerly been operated by the United States Navy: there's quite a lot of ambiguities here, which could do with bing resolved. New boats as in newly built, or boats/ships released from USN service to the USCG? Did the USN no longer operate patrol boats and/or destroyers?

• My copy of Rum War at Sea mentions submarine chasers leant to the CG by the Navy but I can't see destroyers. Again, I'll defer to GGOTCC.

• In the 1920s, the Coast Guard began to build purpose-built patrol boats: I'm not sure how this gels with them having "new patrol boats" earlier. But then the dates are confusing, since we've been in the 1920s the whole time. Did this start before or after 1924?

• Again, GGOTCC thing.

• The 165-foot (50 m) "B"-class, named for the cutters' overall length and : they had an overall length of "B"? I'm assuming here that the point is that the USCG wanted cutters in two sizes, the As at 125ft and the Bs at 165.

• Noo! I explain it in the footnote... the Thetis class was referred to as the 165-foot "B" class to differentiate it from the 165-foot "A" class, which referred to the Algonquin class.

• In that case, we need to rephrase what we have in the body: the name "B" isn't a reference to length, even if the categorisation as B rather than A might have been based on length.

• Is the new edit acceptable to explain that?

• the Active class' experiences: MOS:' prefers "class's".

• Done.

• Hull number 277, listed as patrol boat 13,: these both seem to be proper nouns, so they should be capitalised.

• Neither is.

• I see Hull number 277, listed as patrol boat 13, was built by... . If it's not a proper noun (ie, if we're talking about the number), how can it be built? On the other hand, if we're talking about the ship designated by that number, it's a proper noun. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 06:37, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

• How about: "The new ship, patrol boat 13,  was given the hull number 277. She was built by the Manitowoc Shipbuilding Corporation in Manitowoc, Wisconsin, and would later be named Dione." Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 11:22, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

  Capitals on "Patrol Boat 13", surely -- that's a proper noun? But the rest looks good. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:33, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

  Done. Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 15:42, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

• Dione's keel was laid on 10 November 1933,[: is this a different thing to the vessel we were just talking about? I think we have elegant variation here, but it's difficult to tell.

• Yes. Added a brief sentence sourced to the USCG.

• and docked in Ogdensburg, New York for repairs : MOS:GEOCOMMA.

• Done.

More to follow. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 20:09, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

• Thank you kindly! It's a shame I miss so much when I've spent so much time with this article 😂 Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 20:44, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

• At the outbreak of the Second Happy Time in January 1942: I think the term could do with some explanation, especially as this wasn't a very happy time from the point of view of Dione, its crews and their countrymen.

• Left a footnote.

• Good to have, but the grammar needs a look: The event was called such by by German officers rather than Americans ones. Personally, I'd explain what made it "happy", and to whom; this footnote doesn't actually clarify very much. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:38, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

• her contract was entered the same day for a price of US$242,800: can we give an idea of how much that was, in real terms?

• "for a price" changed to "with a price", hopefully that clarifies.

• Not quite what I meant. Was that a lot of money? It sounds like a lot, but today it's a large but not remarkable white-collar salary, or around the price of a fairly small house. Was that the same back then? Often the {{inflation}} template is helpful, but if you feel it isn't in this particular case, you could compare it to a benchmark figure to give readers some idea of how they should interpret this number. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:38, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

I'm afraid I'm not quite sure what you're trying to get at. Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 15:00, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

• The launch of Dione and her sister ships Electra and Pandora, was originally to occur on 23 June 1934: misplaced comma. If these were her only sister ships, comma after ships, if not, remove the one after Pandora.

• Changed to "The launch of Dione and two of her sister ships, Electra and Pandora, was originally to occur on 23 June 1934;"

• it was postponed one week per an announcement by the chief government inspector and shipyard officials: not sure about the idiom of any of this. Firstly: postponed by, surely?

• Changed to "the chief government inspector and shipyard officials postponed it by one week"

• The cutter was proclaimed "satisfactory" at her trials: MOS:QUOTEPOV.

• Removed quotes.

• Several EFNs need citations.

• Which specifically?

• They should all have them, since WP:CITE requires citation no later than the end of the paragraph, and a footnote is a paragraph in itself. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:38, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Okay, I'll work on those. Sorry for the delayed reply! Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 14:25, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

• followed by the fuel tanks with a fuel capacity of 7,700 U.S. gallons (29,000 L) of diesel fuel, that were subdivided by two bulkheads.: wonky idiom here. Happy to suggest some rephrases.

• Changed to "followed by the fuel tanks with a fuel capacity of 7,700 U.S. gallons (29,000 L) of diesel fuel. These fuel tanks were subdivided by two bulkheads"

• the cutter's boats, which consisted of 19 ft (5.8 m) dories.: not sure about the idiom of consisted of. "Which were"? Do we know how many?

• Judging by deck plans and photographs, I assume 2. But no source formally says so so I can't say in the article.

• The cutters were propelled by ... The cutter had a maximum speed : throughout this section, I would pick a lane between singular and plural in phrases like this.

• Fixed.

• an economic speed of 6 knots: what's an economic speed?

• Balances fuel consumption and travel time to make a ship as efficient as possible.

• The reason I asked (this and similar questions) was that I think it should be clarified for the reader. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:38, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Hi @UndercoverClassicist, thanks for the review! I revamped the paragraphs on the Coast Guard in Prohibition with your feedback to the point where this is a new paragraph. What do you think? GGOTCC 02:53, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• through the St. Lawrence River and through the gulf of the same name: the St Lawrence Gulf?

• Gulf of St. Lawrence, yes. I wanted to avoid repetition but now I realize how dumb that wording is.

• Dione was the only one that was large and capable enough of opposing the U-boats: capable enough? Suggest "large enough to be capable of...", if that's the intent.

• Changed to "large enough to be capable of".

• McCormick decided to abandon his usual routine in favor of grid-searching the waters off the Outer Banks for U-boats; these would utilize a World War I-era sonar system[44]: 24  and other types of sound-detection gear.: these being the U-boats?

• Changed to "these searches utilized".

Vacant0

Signing up for this. Expect comments during the next week. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

Vacant0 Gentle ping since it's been almost two weeks; no rush though. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 12:28, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

I just reviewed Tetris, so I'll go ahead and take a look at this tomorrow. Cheers, Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 13:33, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

• "interactions of Miis, customizable avatars" → "interactions of customizable avatars known as Miis"
  • Done. For good measure, I included a more detailed boilerplate explanation of what Miis are in Gameplay that I've already added in Miitomo and Tomodachi Life. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 17:39, 19 October 2026 (UTC)
• "Nintendo SPD's General Manager" → "Nintendo SPD's general manager"
  • Done.
• The gameplay section states that it takes place on an island, but that Miis are in an apartment. Is there anything besides the apartment on the island?
  • See this sentence in gameplay: "By continuously adding Miis and completing miscellaneous objectives, additional buildings, shops, and attractions throughout the island become available. These include food and clothing vendors, a concert hall for Miis to perform live music, a café, and other venues that Miis can occasionally visit in their own time." TheBrickGraphic (talk) 17:39, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

That's it from me. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Vacant0 All comments have been addressed. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 17:39, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Support on prose. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 20:36, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Travis Mulch

Will review! Travis Mulch (talk) 18:09, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

@TheBrickGraphic, per CITEVARYES, I'll offer to make the citation case consistent. Would you prefer title case (Tomodachi Life Game Review) or sentence case (Tomodachi Life game review)?

Some citation fixes I've added before the spotcheck:

• c#2 (Game Informer): Added "Review" to title.
• c#5 (GameSpot): Changed date from 2020/06/06 to 2014/06/05
• c#12 (CVG): Linked work & changed date from 04/13 to 04/10.
• c#18 (Pocket Gamer): Changed year from 2020 to 2014.
• c#23 (1UP): Changed date from 2016/07/01 to 2010/06/17.
• c#24 (VG247): Fixing author name: Brenda Hill(i)er.
• c#33 (GameSpot): Adding author name & removing url-status.
• c#42 (Nintendo): Italicized trans-title.
• c#43 (MetaCritic): Removed url-status.
• c#45 (EGM): Linked work.
• c#46 (Famitsu): Italicized trans-title.
• c#55 (Joystiq): Changed year from 2020 to 2014, and linked work.
• c#56 (GameTrailers): Linked work.
• c#61 (ABC News): Fixed author name: Derrik (J.) Lang, edited work title.

Travis Mulch (talk) 18:40, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

@Travis Mulch: I'd prefer sentence case just because I think it looks less... visually clunky. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 18:54, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

...I unfortunately misread and applied title case. Will revert. Travis Mulch (talk) 19:07, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

Sentence case has now been properly applied. I also suggest changing the generic ":0", ":1", ":2", etc., citations to named references, i.e., "sinha2025", "cork2014". Source spot check will follow. Travis Mulch (talk) 19:21, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

Right right, that'd be beneficial. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:25, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

@Travis Mulch: This has now been fixed. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:31, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

Spot check:

I'll go section-by-section to point out things that don't align with the used sources.

Gameplay (1/2)

• c#2: [...as an omnipotent observer.] "Omnipotent" observer? Source specifies "observer", as in someone simply watching.

I used the word "omnipotent" because the source, earlier in that sentence, says that "you're equal parts god and surveillance camera". My mind went: god → omnipotent, camera → observer. But since "omnipotent" does probably imply that you have absolute control, I'll just replace it with "external", like in the lead. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:44, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

• c#7: [...talking with the Miis...; ...visiting island landmarks...] This implies you, literally, talk to them. "Interacting" would fit the source better. Also, source doesn't say much about "landmarks", just island navigation.

The source does mention that "you’ll unlock an observation tower, a park, a photo studio, a compatibility tester, and more", but I've decided to just rewrite the sentence to "Much of the game's interactivity, such as interacting with the Miis and navigating the island, comes in the form of physically tapping the 3DS' touchscreen." TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:44, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

• c#10/11 [...naming the island...; ...Mii Apartments building...] Not properly supported by sources used; doesn't directly state you can name your island. Neither source refers to the location as the "Mii Apartments" "building", just some apartments.

The NWR source says, "It’s called Isla Sorna because I named it that." I feel like that's enough implication that you directly name the island; he doesn't say something like just "I call it Isla Sorna." The GameRevolution source also does mention Mii Apartments ("First, you’ve got to bring some new Miis to your central Mii Apartments, a three-story building with 24 rooms for your friends or Miis you make") Regardless, I decided to simplify the sentence mentioning Mii Apartments to just "The Miis, including the player's look-alike, populate an apartment...", since the name of the building isn't relevant. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:44, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

My mistake, I was thinking of the wrong source in regards to "Mii Apartments". You're right. Travis Mulch (talk) 21:56, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

• c#4/7/10 [...an amusement park...] No source mentions the amusement park.

Removed the mention altogether. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:44, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

• c#12 [...of recent events...] "Recent" not supported.

Removed "recent". TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:44, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

Travis Mulch (talk) 20:18, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

Gameplay (2/2)

• c#5/10 [...and similar age...; ...a sufficient duration...] Not supported by either source. Nintendo Life only mentions "...their date of birth..." as a factor.

Removed the "sufficient duration" factor, since in the game it's fairly random anyway. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• c#8/11/15 [...if the confession is successful...; ...after further interactions.] I'm not seeing anything about a success mechanic here. Also, it's written about as more of a streamlined love -> marriage thing than "further interactions", from what I'm reading.

Simplified the sentence to "A Mii can harbor romantic feelings for another Mii of the opposite gender and similar age, which can lead to dating and eventual marriage."

• c#5 [...once the child grows up...; ...move them to Mii Apartments...] No mention of children growing up or moving to the apartments. Up to you if you want to keep the previous "Mii Apartments" instance by adjusting the sourcing, since I was mistaken the first time.

Not sure where I got the "growing up" portion but I'm pretty sure I misinterpreted the line "Once you’ve got your Miis married off, populating your island with children or gifting items to other islands via StreetPass..." as "Once you’ve got your Miis married off, populating your island with children or gifting them to other islands via StreetPass..." Do you think sourcing the Iwata Asks interview would be okay here? TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• c#8/10 [...asking to compete in short...] Doesn't seem like the fact Miis ask, or that they're short, is sourced.

Replaced "short" with "simple", as per this line in the IGN review: "Sure, Miis offer to play shallow minigames from time to time, but simple memory or guessing games didn’t keep me entertained at all." TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

You're right on "ask", my mistake. Synonym troubles. Travis Mulch (talk) 14:59, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

• c#10 [...the player must give them...] "Must give" isn't supported. Just "gives" is fine.

Fixed. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

This is all I could find in the Gameplay section. I'll be less thorough across other sections. Travis Mulch (talk) 23:30, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

Excuse the Japanese-to-English translation if any mistakes are made. I'm not a fully native speaker.

Development and release

Paragraph 1

• [...including directors [...] Eisaku Nakae...] I don't believe Nakae is established as a director in this interview?

You're right; removed the mention of him in this sentence and moved his inclusion in the infobox into "Programmer". TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• [...Nakae consulted with programmers and designers...] Mistranslation? Nakae appears to have worked with the programmers. The design you're referring to is the game's concept, planning and development itself. See these lines in question:

  今作は企画を考えたり、/ プログラマーさんを取りまとめたり、/ みなさんの開発環境をサポートしたりしていました。/ 前回とはだいぶ仕事の内容が変わりましたので、 / 苦労した部分もあり、楽しかった部分もありました。

From my read-through, I felt that Nakae was in a "superior" position overlooking the other programmers. I decided to replace "consulted" with "worked", since I feel like "worked" better summarizes what feels like a quite broad position and, as a developer, is fundamentally correct. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• [...which was a less focused process.] I'd say it's more about trial and error.

By "less-focused", I meant that the development process of Collection had no clear vision. In my opinion, having no clear vision just means you have to throw ideas at the wall until they stick, i.e., trial and error. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

This was also prior to realizing there was five parts so I was wrong here. Travis Mulch (talk) 17:12, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

• [...As with Collection...] I don't think this part's supported.

Removed the sentence altogether, since on a re-read I'm not sure where I got this part from. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Travis Mulch (talk) 23:47, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

Paragraph 2

• [...Mai Okamoto to reconsider his approach.] Okamoto is a woman.

...oh. Fixed. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• [...Okamoto was particular about retaining...] Sakamoto is the one speaking here.

Fixed. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Travis Mulch (talk) 23:55, 4 October 2026 (UTC)

I'm noticing now that the Iwata Asks source is a five-part interview, but currently only links to Part 4. Adjust the two first paragraphs accordingly if I got things wrong. Travis Mulch (talk) 00:01, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

On my end, the interview links to Part 1. Regardless, I split the reference into five throughout the paragraph. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Paragraphs 3/4 (post-corrections)

• [...to this end (s)he worked closely with returning programmers Nakae and Masanori Nakagawa.] Can you confirm this is verified by the interview? I'm not seeing it.

Removed the sentence entirely, since I'm not finding it either. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• [...as the game's age specification system could not differentiate between the two groups.] This is because of the date of birth you give Miis, not that it can't differentiate.

Rewrote the sentence to "Another strong concern of some team members was the potential for the game to romantically pair two children, or a child and an adult, with one another." I do remember being a bit confused as to what the developers intended by "being unable to simply not differentiate children and adults", but on a re-read I realize they just meant that you can't just eliminate the idea of "children" and "adults" as age groups, not that the game's code can't differentiate... good catch. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• [...allowing child Miis...; ...conceived as a means...] Child Miis that have grown up. Also, this seems to have been more of a "checking up" feature/thing, not an actual conceived idea.

See this line from Sakamoto:

じつはMiiに旅をさせる狙いがもうひとつあって、旅立たせることで「あの子は今どうしているかな・・・」って思いを馳せるという、Miiに対する今までにはなかった感情が生まれるだろうと考えたんです。

This is all I could find. For those excerpts I pointed out, make sure you re-translate accordingly. Travis Mulch (talk) 00:13, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly what I'm referring to. This doesn't really refer to a conception, just the outcome of the feature itself. Otherwise we'd have to frame every idea as "conceived". Travis Mulch (talk) 15:00, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

Are you sure? I could be wrong here, but through using Google Translate, Sakamoto says, "Actually, there was another reason for sending the Mii characters on a journey. I thought that..." He's outlining his conscious reasoning for the feature, not just the feature itself. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 19:45, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

My interpretation is that it's closer to "I forgot to mention, there's another thing that doing this accomplishes..." rather than "This is another reason why we added this feature..." in verbage. Travis Mulch (talk) 20:28, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

Hm, I'm still on the fence about the meaning of his words, but it doesn't matter all too much; I'll just replace "was conceived" with "served". TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:35, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

Localization

• c#21 [...developing enhanced speech programs...] "Enhanced" and "programs" might not be the best word choices.

How so? TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• c#25 [Bill Trinen, [...] for Nintendo...] AFAIK, Bill's always worked for Nintendo of America?

The IGN interview introduces him only as "Senior Product Marketing Manager Bill Trinen" for some reason. I decided to use this 2025 interview about the Switch 2 from IGN which introduces him as "Nintendo of America's Vice President of Product and Player Experience Bill Trinen". Looking at Trinen's own article, he doesn't seem to have moved on from this position in the past 17 years, so it should've been the case even in 2014. Too many capital letters for my liking though, lol TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• c#12 [Sakamoto spoke of...] Ryutaro Takahashi is the one talking here.

Whoops, fixed. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

We're talking about text-to-speech specifically, so the jargon-y way Trinen frames it is unclear. Considering the idea of TTS is only mentioned one other time, paragraph 1 in Gameplay, it shouldn't be addressed as two entirely different things. Travis Mulch (talk) 15:04, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

Meant to reply to the c#21 comment here, apologies. Travis Mulch (talk) 15:04, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

Travis Mulch (talk) 00:44, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Promotion

• c#29/30 [On March 13, 2013...; 3DS LL colors.] This was on March 11. Adjust sources used. Also, two products, not colors; only one product is a color.

I've chosen to mention only the bundle and not the Mint LL because on a re-read I don't think the latter is related to Tomodachi Life, but what do you mean by "adjust sources used"? TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

• c#32 [...to their YouTube channel...; ...such as Eiji Aonuma, creator of The Legend of Zelda series, conversing with Princess Zelda.] This is verified by the video, but not by the source. I think this is defensible, but was worth noting.

@Travis Mulch: Would describing the events of a video constitute original research? I feel like it might. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

I believe it would be in this case. Game Informer has the Zelda/Aonuma tangent, for example. You might just need to split this one up with reliable sources. Travis Mulch (talk) 15:10, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

I remember checking at the time and neither source said/implied March 13, since they were both after that date. Might've just misworded what I wanted. Travis Mulch (talk) 15:06, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

Travis Mulch (talk) 00:57, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

I found no major issues in the Release section. Travis Mulch (talk) 01:01, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Reception is, of course, other peoples' opinions, so I see no reason to doubt the "Critical response" section given the use of reliable sources. All parts are sourced & attributed. Travis Mulch (talk) 01:05, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

"Same-sex relationships" is also properly attributed to reliable sources, so I doubt it needs much of a look-through for source verification. Travis Mulch (talk) 01:09, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

The only problems I saw in Sales are [...was a best-seller...] should be "the" best-seller, and it's 6.72 million, not 6.73. Travis Mulch (talk) 01:12, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Fixed. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

No obvious issues in Sequel. Since all sections have now been covered, this concludes my review. @TheBrickGraphic, ping me when everything's been addressed. Travis Mulch (talk) 01:14, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Apologies for the late response back. Overall, this is a really well-made article & I have no major issues left in mind after the source review, so I'm happy to support this nomination! Travis Mulch (talk) 15:11, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! I’ll fix the minor concerns when I have the opportunity. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 16:39, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

OpalYosutebito

This is my first time reviewing an FAC, so I'll mainly be looking for contradictions and potential puffery that might compromise neutrality - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:38, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

In the lead, would "nonlinear" be better than "open-ended", which redirected to the former? (Edit: the article says "Tomodachi Life has no definitive end condition", and open ended sort of implies that there's an ending of sorts...) - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:40, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

Sure, that sounds fine. Just FYI, something I've been wanting to include is the fact that having a baby grow up is what triggers the end credits, but no sources seemingly say that. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 10:50, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

For future edits, please avoid using "nowiki" for the apostrophes. I recommend using {{'}} instead - OpalYosutebito 『talk』

Are you saying there are currently "nowiki" templates in the article right now? Using Ctrl-F doesn't bring up any instance of them. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 10:50, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

I should've been more clear: I edited the page a while ago - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 13:44, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

gradually expand over time sounds redundant to me. Either gradually expand or expand over time would work better, but again, I'm open to criticism :) - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 00:03, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Hm, I think you're right. Replaced with "gradually expand". TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:15, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! :D - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 23:02, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

What are the significant gameplay issues that Robinson mentioned? I'm curious (edit: they're referring to the gameplay loop. I feel like the two paragraphs can be edited to make it less confusing...) - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 00:08, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Why do some of these dates have commas after days and before words, but others don't? Like in the body you've got July 17 in South Korea and in the lead you have June 7, in Australia; and July 17, in South Korea. Also, there should be a comma after respectively - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 23:28, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

The first concern a genuine mistake. I've fixed it; is this the only example? For the second concern, do you mean that there should be a comma before? TheBrickGraphic (talk) 23:42, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, that's what I meant. My bad :) - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 23:45, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Should the ref calls be sorted numerically? [10][8] should be [8][10], for instance, but again, I could be wrong. I'm just going off of what I was told in Talk:John Allen Chau/GA1... :\ - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 23:41, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

They should be, yes. I believe I've fixed all of them. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 23:47, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Cool! Then you've earned my support :D - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 23:51, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

『articles I want to eat』 03:48, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

OpalYosutebito I worded it that way so I could create a satisfying connecting idea between the two paragraphs, since they each discuss very different elements of the game. I know the criticism from Robinson itself is vague but I'm inclined to keep it if nothing more than just to make nice flow. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 20:15, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Alright, good to know :) - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 23:02, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

In the lead, should "romantic preferences" have a link to sexuality, or would that be redundant? - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:51, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

To me, it'd feel redundant. The meaning of "romantic preferences" feels intuitive: which people the Mii would prefer to have romantic relationships with. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 10:50, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

Fair enough :D - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 23:01, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

On March 27, 2025, Nintendo announced a sequel isn't verified by the two sources - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:54, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

Oops, I missed that during the review. Hijacking comment; @TheBrickGraphic, just add GameSpot or something. Travis Mulch (talk) 05:12, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

Done. TheBrickGraphic (talk) 10:50, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

Pamzeis

Will review soon! Pamzeis (talk) 10:24, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Векочел

• "He was a talented man of letters". Can you rewrite this so the meaning is more clear?
• "In contrast to his predecessors, he lived a life of luxury and debauchery". I would write "Mote states that he lived in luxury and debauchery" to avoid the appearance of an opinionated judgement.
• Provide Chinese characters for Xia Yuanji, Jian Yi, Chen Zhi, Mu Sheng, and Huang Fu.
• "The Xuande Emperor, however, maintained control over the eunuchs and was not afraid to execute them if they overstepped their boundaries." Is there any information about how many eunuchs the Xuande Emperor executed?
  • Not mentioned in the cited source.
• "In August 1428, he replaced the long-standing head of the Censorate, Liu Quan (劉觀), who had been in the position since 1415, with the honorable Gu Zuo (顧佐)." Could you rewrite this to explain why Gu Zuo was seen as honorable?
• "another member of the Trần family was no longer alive". Does this mean that another member of the Trần family had died or that there were no surviving members of the Trần family?
• "After 1433, Japanese delegations arriving in China were primarily composed of agents of daimyos, monasteries, and temples who were eager to access the Chinese market." Could you explain what daimyos were?
• "Relations with Korea were generally peaceful, with regular delegations traveling between the two capitals." Is there any information about how often these delegations visited the respective capitals?
  • Not mentioned in the cited source.

Векочел (talk) 02:46, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

@Векочел Done. Min968 (talk) 06:36, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

Support Векочел (talk) 07:06, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

Borsoka

• Later, as emperor, Zhu Zhanji personally participated in skirmishes with the Mongols on the northern border. During one of these battles, he demonstrated his skill with a bow by shooting several Mongol warriors. I would move it to section "Mongolia".
  • Done.
• In 1411, Zhu Zhanji was appointed Imperial Grandson-heir (皇太孫; Huang Taisun) while his father had been heir to the throne (皇太子; Huang Taizi) since 1404. I would follow the chronological order.
  • Done.
• Zhu Zhanji also dedicated himself to studying military expeditions. I do not quite understand the sentence.
  • Done.
• This earned him their resentment. I would delete this sentence.
  • Done.
• In August 1424,... On 1 November 1424,... In April 1425,... Could you rephrase the prose for better flow?
  • Done.
• Upon his accession, the new emperor's officials received him calmly, as he shared his father's idealistic conservative policies. I am not sure that I understand the sentence.
  • Done.
• ..., and his reign was marked by significant cultural and political achievements I would delete this text.
  • Done.
• He was a conscientious ruler... he was capable of making strong decisions when necessary... PoV statements?
  • Done.
• ...unlike the Yongle Emperor's usurpation,... Delete it.
  • Done.
• Zhu Gaoxu challenged his nephew's accession, but unlike the Yongle Emperor's usurpation, he was unsuccessful in his attempt. The Yongle Emperor favored Zhu Gaoxu due to his military prowess. Zhu Gaoxu proved to be a capable and energetic commander during the civil war of 1399–1402, but his arrogance and contempt towards his older brother, the Hongxi Emperor, caused tension. Zhu Gaoxu became bitter when he was not named as a successor in 1404. His disobedience eventually led to his banishment to the backwater city of Le'an in Qingzhou prefecture, Shandong. Believing that he was the rightful heir to the throne in 1424, instead of his ailing brother, he began plotting a coup after his brother's death. Shortly after the Xuande Emperor's ascension to the throne on 2 September 1425, Zhu Gaoxu attempted to follow in the footsteps of the Yongle Emperor by rebelling against the Emperor. Please condense this passage into a much shorter sentence that focuses specifically on the rebellion itself.
  • Done.
• ...by appointing individuals with noble titles to civil offices and appointing unworthy individuals... Some context?
  • Done.
• He was therefore in a much weaker position than his father had been in 1399. Delete it.
  • Done.
• The Emperor initially hesitated... What does this sentence mean? Was he thinking of abdication?
  • Done.
• ...gained more influence and...now... Delete the text.
  • Done.
• The use of Chinese characters is inconsistent: some individuals' names and titles are given in Chinese characters, while others are not.
• ..., during which the Emperor would discuss and sign the drafts of his decrees Consider deleting it.
  • Done.
• In situations where the Emperor did not agree with the ideas of grand secretaries, he would use eunuchs to convey his orders to lower branches of the state administration. As the ministers did not question the Emperor's orders, the eunuchs were able to give orders to the ministers on behalf of the sovereign without his knowledge. They eventually found themselves in a position to exploit powers traditionally reserved for the emperor on an unprecedented scale. The Xuande Emperor, however, maintained control over the eunuchs and was not afraid to execute them if they overstepped their boundaries. In the long run, this approach allowed eunuchs to exploit their power if a less assertive emperor was in power. Condansate the text with a clear focus on the Xuande Emperor's reign.
• For example, the Hongwu Emperor had sent his heir, Zhu Biao, to "tour and pacify", while the Yongle Emperor had sent both the Hongxi and Xuande emperors to the provinces. I would mention his provincial mission in section "Early life".
• In 1421, the Yongle Emperor even sent 26 high-ranking government officials to the provinces. Delete the sentence.
  • Done.
• ...these officials held. .. later also held ...They also held... Rephrase for better flow.
  • Done.
• The system of grand coordinators reached its final form during the Zhengtong era (1436–1449), when they were assigned to all provinces except Fujian and six of the nine frontier garrisons on the northern border. Delete the sentence.
  • Done.
• ...their efforts were largely ineffective Why?
  • Done.
• In 1429, the Emperor attempted to boost morale ... this did not have a significant impact on the army's morale. Rephrase for better flow.
  • Done.
• The consequences of this decline in the army's strength were not fully realized until 1449, at the Battle of Tumu, when the Mongols were able to defeat the Ming army led by Emperor Yingzong and even take the Emperor prisoner. Perhaps this sentence fits better to section "Legacy". Borsoka (talk) 09:01, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

  @Borsoka Done. Min968 (talk) 03:28, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• The ongoing war in Đại Việt... A link?
  • Done.
• ...the subsequent loss of mineral wealth... Where? (I assume in territories lost.)
  • Done.
• ...which were circulated alongside state notes during the Yongle era Why not past perfect?
• The Hongwu Emperor established paper money, known as baochao banknotes, as the primary form of currency. For smaller transactions, copper coins were also used, which were circulated alongside state notes during the Yongle era. However, both the coins and the copper used to make them were in short supply. In contrast, the government printed large quantities of banknotes, causing their value to rapidly decrease. By 1425, baochao banknotes were only worth 2% of their nominal value. In an unsuccessful attempt to promote paper currency, the Hongxi Emperor closed precious metal mines, but the Xuande government allowed for a partial resumption of mining. Condensate the text into one sentence with a focus on the Xuande Emperor's reign.
• The Xuande Emperor and his advisors implemented various measures in an attempt to support the state's economy. One such measure was the pressure placed on the use of copper coins, which were seen as competition for paper money. Copper coins were almost completely phased out of circulation. Consolidate the text into a single, short sentence.
  • Done.
• In addition, Minister of Revenue Xia Yuanji suggested a solution to combat the decline in the value of government banknotes by increasing business taxes and only accepting payment in government banknotes, but this approach did not yield the desired results. Shorten the text by at least 20 percent.
  • Done.
• ...the Grand Canal... A link and some explanation ("an important trading route connecting X with Y", or something similar)?
• Despite the government's efforts, ... Delete.
  • Done.
• By the 1430s, banknotes were no longer in use and were only used to pay employees to a limited extent. Contradiction.
  • Done.
• These changes hardly impacted the country's economy. Delete it.
  • Done.
• Despite the government's opposition to replacing copper coins and paper currency with silver,... Delete the text, and consolidate the rest of the sentence with the previous one for better flow.
  • Done.
• Despite the dissatisfaction of officials in Beijing, they were unable to suppress the circulation of coins produced by private entrepreneurs, but they also did not make the decision to resume state production of coins. Condensate the text for better flow.
  • Done.

During the weekend, my access to wikipedia will be quite limited, so I will continue the review on Monday. Borsoka (talk) 05:09, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

@Borsoka Done. Min968 (talk) 06:13, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Noleander

• I see that this is the article's 2nd FAC nomination. (I have not read the 1st nomination page.) It would be useful to reviewers to know (a) Were there any Oppose reviews in the prior nomination and, if so, how has the article addressed those concerns. and (b) Have any significant changes or improvements been made to the article between 1st and 2nd nomination? Consider posting the answers in a brief note at the top of this (2nd nomination) page.

Done. Thanks for that advice. It would probably make any subsequent review easier for others. TarnishedPath^talk 00:08, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

• Missing links to similar articles? Many readers start with one article and get interested in the topic and want more. They often go to the bottom of an article to do that jump: at the bottom, they look for "Footer NavBoxes" and Categories. I don't see either of those for "war crimes" or "war criminals". Consider adding Footer NavBoxe(s) and Categories for war crimes/criminals, if they exist and are appropriate.

Never mind, I just realized that he was not convicted, so "war crimes" NavBox would be a BLP issue. Still: if there are any military-related NavBoxes that are appropriate and relevant, consider those. Noleander (talk) 15:22, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

I will have a look for any. TarnishedPath^talk 00:08, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

I've added a couple of navbars about the Afghan war and a couple about the Australian military. TarnishedPath^talk 01:44, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

• Overall the compliance with MOS seems fine: I don't see any stylistic shortcomings.

• The coverage seems broad, although I'm not from Australia and not familiar with this person or the legal case.

• Images have proper licensing information ... shout out to Commons user Nick-D for taking the photos in person (not sure if that is the same person as English WP Nick-D).

Same person. They've previously been part of an A-class review on the article and then done a bit of copy editing on it after that. TarnishedPath^talk 00:08, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

• Citation format and uniformity seems to comply with FAC requirements

• Cite ISBN uniformity: 978-0-73228-246-2 vs 9781922464613. Hyphens shoudl be in all or none of the ISBNs.

I decided to remove hyphens. All isbn parameters are uniform now. TarnishedPath^talk 00:12, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

• The vast majority of cite titles use sentence case, which is fine, but a couple might be in title case:
  1. Benjamin Roberts-Smith, DVA Anzac Portal
  2. Australian Army Awarded the Victoria Cross for Australia/Medal for Gallantry Corporal Benjamin Roberts-Smith, VC, MG – Citation

I'm not sure if "portal" should be upper or lower. Ditto for "awarded"

These are references 1 and 8 respectively (writing this for benefit, in case I need to go back to them). For reference one I've changed the title to "Benjamin (Ben) Roberts-Smith" and change the name of website parameter to Department of Veterans' Affairs Anzac Portal. DVA present the webpage with the proper noun Anzac Portal. Regarding reference 8, I've changed the title to merely "Awarded the Victoria Cross for Australia". The was it was as you wrote above is because they have the title on 4 different lines and it basically combining all four lines. TarnishedPath^talk 00:28, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

• Clarify wording: "... with five counts of the war crime of murder[c] (three charges of aid, abet, counsel, or procure an offence, one charge of actual offence and one charge of joint commission of an offence) with a potential maximum sentence of ..." I'm a bit confused with the parenthetical note: I counted the items inside the () and there are five, so I'm concluding that it is describing five varieties of murder. Some readers that are not knowledgable about law and/or English is their 2nd language may also get confused, because the word shifts from "count" to "charge". Varying word choice is normally good writing style, but here consider tweaking the wording to minimize confusion.

"count" isn't really a word that is used much in Australian English, when it comes to criminal charges. I will change it to "charge". TarnishedPath^talk 00:28, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

• Bulleted text style: "during the Whiskey 108 ... " it is unusual to see bullets begin with lowercase, but I can see how it might be sensible here. But lots of articles use uppercase to start the bullets even when the individual bullets are a continuation of the pre-bullet sentence. Honestly, I have no idea what the MOS recommends on that. Consider checking the MOS and ensuring that lowercase is consistent with MOS.

I've looked it up and the appropriate MOS is MOS:LIST. The relevant section is MOS:LISTCASE, which states that starting bulletpoints in lower case is best reserved for when the list items are sentence fragments. That's the case here. TarnishedPath^talk 00:48, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

• That's all I have for now. Seems like a solid article. Noleander (talk) 15:15, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

  @Noleander, please see above and let me know if you have any other suggestions. TarnishedPath^talk 01:45, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

  Article is looking good. I cannot find any areas of improvement. It is a fairly focused topic, with mostly modern news articles as sources - unlike some historical or academic topics which have deep and sometimes contrasting sources that can make editing and distilling more problematic. Leaning support. Ping me around 16 October and I'll make a second pass. Noleander (talk) 02:57, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

  Cheers. I'll ping you then. TarnishedPath^talk 06:05, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

  @Noleander: Courtesy ping, since it's the 17th. travis mulch 18:31, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

• Support - Article is looking good, I cannot find any additional improvements, so I support on prose and manual of style. I have not done an image review or source review. This is a peculiar article because it's a current event that is unfolding right now ... as the nomination is underway. The article will almost certainly be undergoing many changes in the near future, which is unusual for a featured article. Noleander (talk) 18:50, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Travis Mulch

Despite my lack of familiarity with the Australian military (and its historically good coverage on Wikipedia) I've seen this article quite a few times now. It's unfortunate that it didn't pass its first FAC nomination. I'm going to commit to a source review this weekend. More comments to come. Travis Mulch (talk) 19:57, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

@Travis Mulch thank you for your time reviewing this. I was pretty disappointed it didn't pass the first given I just needed one support and that it looked that was so close to happening. TarnishedPath^talk 01:01, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

Early life, family and education

(I've been unable to locate a copy of McKenzie's "Crossing the Line" with page numbers to verify the book citations.)

If you need any quotes from this, Masters' or Crompvoets' books, please let me know as I have copies. TarnishedPath^talk 01:01, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

c#1 (ANZAC): Source states RS was born in February, not November. (Born: 1 February 1978)

Fixed. TarnishedPath^talk 01:01, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

I wouldn't be hasty about this. Do more research about sourcing the birth month if needed. Online sources seem to cite both February and November, with a preference for November. Travis Mulch (talk) 01:06, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

OK, I'll have a look at it more later. However citation one is a government source, so I would expect it more likely to be correct than other sources. TarnishedPath^talk 01:12, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath Are you aware of the fact that the article supposedly cited his birth month to November since its creation in 2011? Do you know where the November date came from? Travis Mulch (talk) 01:31, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

@Travis Mulch, it's stated November for as long as I can remember. Just before I performed a major restructure, it was cited by a Nine News source, which doesn't support the entire date, only 1978.

The DVA Anzac Portal (the source we're currently using) gives 1 February 1978.

cove.army.gov.au gives 1 November 1978.

The Royal Australian Regiment Association gives 1 November 1978.

A Al Jazeera story dated 7 Apr 2026 gives his age as 47 at that date. That supports his birthday being in November as if he was born in February, they would have stated 48. That source is presumably taking his age from A Office of the Special Investigator and AFP joint media release.

When the article was created it didn't contain a date of birth.

None of the citations in a version of the article from 3 June 2023 support the date.

I'd suggest changing it back to 1 November 1978, and attributing to the army if you think necessary. Thoughts? TarnishedPath^talk 04:39, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

Majority rules here. The February date wasn't always on ANZAC per archives, so it may be best to use sources which cite November as a proper record. Travis Mulch (talk) 16:30, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

November it is TarnishedPath^talk 22:59, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

c#2 (TSM): Is this source being used to establish Sue Holloway's maiden name and/or marriage to Len? Just odd for a source pre-dating RS's birth.

Just the maiden name. I agree that it's unusual to have source pre-dating his birth. I've attempted to find an online link from Trove and National Archives of Australia, and haven't been able to as yet. I'll have a look on newspapers.com later on when I get back from the local markets. TarnishedPath^talk 01:01, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

Use is valid. Travis Mulch (talk) 01:06, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

Following up on above, where I said I'd look through newspapers.com. I haven't been able to find anything, as for this publication they only have archives prior to 1954. TarnishedPath^talk 08:05, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

c#3 (NN): Seems like the link & archive have "#:~:text=1978:%20Born%20in%20Perth,%20the,a%20patrol%20scout%20and%20sniper" needlessly appended to the URL.

Updated URL and removed archived link as there isn't one for the new URL at present. TarnishedPath^talk 01:10, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

"During his time at Hale( )," <- Unnecessary space.

Fixed. TarnishedPath^talk 01:10, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

(That's everything in this section.) Travis Mulch (talk) 23:50, 10 October 2026 (UTC)

Early career

c#8 (DoD): As a non-military reader, there are significant sourcing issues in the first paragraph:

• "basic training"? It only specifies "...completed his training at..." in the source, is this allowed? Is military recruit training the only kind of training?
• What is the "Army Recruit Training Centre"? The source makes no mention of it, Blamey Barracks, or Kapooka.
• We now make mention of "employment training", another type of training which is never referenced in the source.
• What is "Lone Pine Barracks"? Another unsourced location.
• What is "Holsworthy?" Again, unsourced.

You're correct there are issues here. I guess I've never looked into this section as I have knowledge of where things are and the stages of training. Everyone who joins the army goes to Kapooka to start with for basic training. Where they go next then depends on whether they're going to be an engineer, infantry etc. Because Roberts-Smith was going to be in the infantry he was sent to Singleton next. Lastly 3RAR's base is at Holsworthy. However, as you've correctly identified, the source doesn't support the parts you're identified. I'm going to trim it down to state that he joined the army in 1996, completed training at Singleton and then was posted to 3RAR. TarnishedPath^talk 05:14, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

(Masters' Flawed Hero listing on Google Books does not effectively list page numbers, so I'll have to look for this as well.)

• c#8, cont.: The last sentence makes reference to "evacuat[ing] Australian citizens from Fiji", which is not supported.

I've adjusted this to state that took part in operations off Fiji. I think the evacuating Australian citizens bit came from a presumption that he was there as part of Operation Quickstep; however the dates don't line up. He was there in 2004 and Operation Quickstep was in 2006. TarnishedPath^talk 05:42, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

(That's everything in the web articles.) Travis Mulch (talk) 00:07, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

(No issues found in the Afghanistan section.) Travis Mulch (talk) 00:17, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

Medal for Gallantry

(I don't have access to the article by The Australian. The available text didn't mention Locke's command, I'll assume it's deeper in.)

You can access The Australian article through ProQuest at https://www.proquest.com/docview/1953671663?parentSessionId=ZjFUktOLFn1%2FmYJ9ETezxygr6XDV4g6FvX6Z%2B6VtSHU%3D&sourcetype=Newspapers. It's available through the Wikipedia library. The appropriate bit states "He was disciplined by the patrol commander and Matt Locke ...". TarnishedPath^talk 06:15, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

(Text citing Flawed Hero will be reviewed after I access the book.)

There may be different editions of the book. The one I've got and have been taking page numbers from is ISBN 978 1 76106 981 9. TarnishedPath^talk 06:15, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

c#16 (SMH):

• Who are "the other soldiers" mentioned? The article specifies "...two SAS troopers..." in the patrol, precision may be better.

From Masters' book: "After hearing the second call, Sergeant Locke and Lance Corporal Roberts-Smith moved to the OP. Locke queried why the spotter had not been engaged. The soldiers replied that they understood that they were there to observe and not get into a gunfight." Just in case you're wondering OP stands for observation post. TarnishedPath^talk 06:24, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

• Is it accurate to plainly refer to the spotter as "unarmed" given we only hear as much emphasis as "...[h]e appeared to be unarmed..."?

There are other sources which state that he was unarmed. For example from Flawed Hero, page 6 (the citation used to support the other "the other soldiers" bit above, "The Sig would later further explain 'I did not join the regiment to shoot an unarmed teenager in the back.'" I can add wording that he appeared to be unarmed if you think it's necessary, but I don't think there's any dispute about it. TarnishedPath^talk 06:34, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

Add a source which better emphasizes "unarmed". Travis Mulch (talk) 16:32, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

On second thoughts, another source I'm looking at now uses the term "appeared". I will add that in. TarnishedPath^talk 23:09, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

Ps, there are some sources which just state that he was unarmed but these are attributed. TarnishedPath^talk 23:36, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

• Likewise for "...two [armed] insurgents..."', specifically armed may not be suitable.

I've removed the "armed" as the source doesn't support it. TarnishedPath^talk 06:38, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

(Book sources not yet analyzed.) Travis Mulch (talk) 00:31, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

Victoria Cross

(Skipping the first paragraph for first pass due to combined web/book source usage.)

c#20/21 (SMH/NYT): Is it appropriate to leave the "...most highly decorated..." quote without attribution to the Australian War Memorial, which isn't even technically fully open yet?

I've attributed. TarnishedPath^talk 06:55, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

c#25/26/27 (TGx2/SMH): What do "pseudonyms for national security reasons" and "senior soldiers" mean in this context? I'm seeing a "...retired comrade of Roberts-Smith’s [was] anonymised..." and "...soldier anonymised in court..." as the closest matches in these three, but too indirect.

(These were the only web articles issues in this section.) Travis Mulch (talk) 00:55, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

I'm now realizing SMH says "...albeit with their names suppressed under national security orders." This should be fine. Still questioning what "senior soldiers" refers to. Travis Mulch (talk) 00:57, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

"senior soldiers" refers to Persons 7 and 42. They are a non-commissioned officer and a warrant officer class 2 respectively. I've adjusted the wording to be more specific. @Travis Mulch, Ping me when you've got more feedback. Please review above, particularly in regards to Roberts-Smith's date of birth, where I've asked for your thoughts. TarnishedPath^talk 07:44, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath I hope to finish the review by Monday. Because the rest of the article is less dependent on book sources, I should be able to get through it quicker. I may ask for book page OCRs (to save time) if needed for a second pass. Further sections to follow. Travis Mulch (talk) 16:35, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

No worries about book page OCRs. If needed, email me and I'll reply back with what you've asked for. TarnishedPath^talk 23:01, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

Patrol commander

c#28 (ABC): "...at age-thirty five..." is both contradictory (article posted October 2, assuming November is the accurate birth month,) and not supported by the source.

Looks like someone attempted some WP:CALC and got it wrong. I've adjusted just to state that he left the army full-time in 2013. TarnishedPath^talk 07:44, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

c#31 (AA): You should probably include the word "operations" as part of the quote.

If I did that I'd need to also add 'counter-leadership' between the current end of the quote and 'operations'. I'm not keen on adding 'counter-leadership' as its meaning is this usage is highly specific and not at all in common usage. I'm going to summarise and remove the quote. TarnishedPath^talk 08:01, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

c#32 (AoAV): It may be worth specifying the 2013-2015 work was part-time.

I'm not sure that's necessary. The Army Reserve is part-time (outside of any deployments that occur). 'Army Reserve' is linked at the top of the article and our readers can find out the nature of the service. I'll take your guidance if you really think it's necessary, but I don't think we need to do it. TarnishedPath^talk 08:15, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

(That's all for the web articles.) Travis Mulch (talk) 16:59, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

Since the next section discusses allegations of war crimes and requires FA-level coverage & accuracy, I'll try to be more thorough here. Travis Mulch (talk) 17:01, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

Post service career and war crime allegations (Paragraphs 1-5)

c#28/33 (ABC/UQ): I'm not convinced by the use of timing here, specifically "...in October 2013..." (only accurate for the source date itself, not the claim) and "At this time..." (same inferrence).

I've remove the 'in October 2013' and 'At this time' bits and reworded to be closer to the facts stated by the sources. TarnishedPath^talk 08:52, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

c#34/35 (ABC/SMH): Kind of confused by the contradicting dates; SMH says 2015, ABC says 2016 (likely referring to the report's year?) I see 2016 is listed as the report year two paragraphs down in the article.

I can understand that confusion. I've looked up some other sources and the ABC is wrong. Crompvoets was commissioned by defence to write a report looking into options for greater military involvement in domestic counter-terrorism. That occurred as a consequence of the Lindt Café siege which happened in December 2014. It was during her investigation that she had special forces soldiers make allegations to her of "competition killing" driven by blood lust. Her report which was delivered in 2016 led to the Brereton inquiry. I've adjusted the wording, removed ABC and added two other sources. TarnishedPath^talk 09:31, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

c#37/38 (news/Mum): Who is Kerry Stokes? His ownership of SWM is not supported by the sources. Is "Regional television" worth specifying, though unsourced? What is Maroochydore? Is "two months later" accurate WP:CALC for April-July?

I've adjusted the wording and added a source which makes it clear at the very least that Stokes appointed him to be general manager. TarnishedPath^talk 10:02, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

(I don't have access to The Australian, including ProQuest, so confirm two things. Is December 2016 stated as his graduation date, or is that the report's date? Is 38 stated as his age?) Travis Mulch (talk) 17:24, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

I'll look at the above two sections after work. TarnishedPath^talk 23:44, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

From the source (dated 14 December 2016) "Last week, the former Special Air Service Regiment corporal received a master of business administration. During the graduation ceremony he described the acute fear of failure triggered by university study."

It doesn't mention his age explicitly, but I think this time it is covered by WP:CALC. Let me know if you want me to remove the age. Ps, I've removed a source from 2013 which I think was left over from when I did the major reorganisation of the article during the last FAC review. I'm going to call it a night because it's 9:17pm here. I will get more done tomorrow. TarnishedPath^talk 10:17, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

If you think mentioning his age is fine for CALC/relevance, then keep it. Travis Mulch (talk) 19:05, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

Adding permalink of the current version for my benefit as some of what I may do above may change citation numbers. Special:Permalink/1379678463. It's Monday morning here, so I'll address most of this after work. TarnishedPath^talk 22:49, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

Continuing review. Travis Mulch (talk) 02:37, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

Post service career and war crime allegations (Paragraphs 6-9)

c#15/44 (TA/ABC):

• Bit of a lack of clarity: "...discrepancies between Roberts-Smith's own accounts..."? I think it could be argued later descriptions varied, but isn't this between Masters and RS?

The descrepancies were between Roberts-Smith's account and those provided to Masters. I've adjusted the wording to make it clearer. TarnishedPath^talk 23:28, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

• I think it's due to press the guy legally charged with war crimes further than "...the scrutiny of his record...", be specific about what that record entails.

At that time he hadn't been charged with anything and the defamation action initiated by him hadn't started. At that time he was very widely held up as a hero. That said I've adjusted the wording to be closer to the source (ABC) which states that he called scrutiny of SAS actions in Afghanistan "un-Australian". TarnishedPath^talk 23:28, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

c#51 (SMH): I looked at Nine Entertainment's article and they supposedly didn't complete the merge until December 2018, as opposed to the article's August 2018 date. Worth including/adding another source?

I think I'll need to come back to this. What I'm thinking at present is that mention of Nine be removed from that location and that further on when the sourcing starts talking about the action being between RS and Nine, that we mention that by that time Fairfax and Nine merged. If I forget to come back to this, please remind me. TarnishedPath^talk 23:44, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

I've now resolved this. I found a source which states "Mr Roberts-Smith on Friday addressed allegations aired during defamation proceedings against Fairfax Media, now Nine Entertainment, during a Federal Court hearing this week." TarnishedPath^talk 08:43, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

c#52 (SMH): Remove "those" unless additional source is added. Only a singular Darwan incident is supported.

Replaced "those" with "one" and added a bit of detail about what was alleged to have occured in Darwan. TarnishedPath^talk 23:50, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

c#54 (SMH): The AFP did not "announce", but rather said in a statement.

Adjust wording accordingly. TarnishedPath^talk 23:52, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

c#55 (TG): "That same month"? Aren't we conflating events that happened in November (54) and June (55)? Travis Mulch (talk) 03:03, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

Adjusted the wording, correcting dates. I've also reordered teh sentences to maintain chronology. TarnishedPath^talk 00:12, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Civil trial and judgment (2020–2023) (Paragraphs 1-6)

c#59 (TG): Dawson is not established as Fairfax/Nine's lawyer. There was also more than one eyewitness.

From near the top of the article "Court case into defamation claims against Nine newspapers ..." and then later on "Sandy Dawson SC, acting for the newspapers ...". I have removed the Fairfax bit though. Obviously by this stage the Nine/Fairfax merger discussed above had completed. I'm going to need to add a note here or something stating that is the case and add in a source. I'll get to that later when I decide if it's in text or by way of a note. I've adjusted the wordign to make it clear that there were "eyewitness accounts". TarnishedPath^talk 00:21, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

c#61 (SMH): "...during his (alleged) affair..."

Done. TarnishedPath^talk 00:30, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

c#62 (TAge): It was reported "that same month", not directly extended per source. Also, we don't know that's how much he drew, just that he had access to that amount.

Adjusted wording. TarnishedPath^talk 00:42, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

c#63 (TAge): ACE isn't mentioned in this one.

I've removed that sentence that referred to ACE. TarnishedPath^talk 00:47, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

c#65 (TAge): How can the AFP "confirm" if they declined to comment?

Very true. I've adjusted the wording to state that The Age reported it. TarnishedPath^talk 00:50, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

c#66 (TAge): There were multiple USB drives, not just one. ...That one wasn't a fun read!

Adjusted. TarnishedPath^talk 00:53, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

c#67 (ABC): Appearance(s). Multiple. Travis Mulch (talk) 03:19, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

Done. TarnishedPath^talk 00:57, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Adding permalink at the time of the above for my benefit when I come back to this tomorrow. Special:Permalink/1379790183 TarnishedPath^talk 10:22, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

The review will be completed today. Had an early Thanksgiving. 🦃 Travis Mulch (talk) 18:12, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

OK, I've just done a bunch and I will come back to this later on tonight after work. I still need to do something about the Fairfax merger with Nine per your feedback above at c#51. TarnishedPath^talk 01:00, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Civil trial and judgment (2020-2023) (Paragraphs 7-11)

c#28 (SMH):

• Same issue with the "unarmed" discrepancy as earlier: we don't mention it, so we can't say the Afghan was unarmed unless another source stating as such is added. "subdued and detained" is better per source.

Done. TarnishedPath^talk 04:28, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

• "Pressured" is a bit of a reach, rather, "directed" is better.

Done. TarnishedPath^talk 04:28, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

c#70/71 (ABC/TG): I reallyyy don't wanna defend the guy, but "bragged" is risky. He made a controversial statement, then denied making it. It may be better to say what he said, and what came of it.

I've replaced "bragged" with the quote. If you think I need to add more, I can. However, the bloke doesn't really have any credibility in this matter. TarnishedPath^talk 04:35, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

c#72 (TG): The type of event doesn't appear to be specified.

I've adjusted it to just state that it was a party and he was there to eavesdrop on Seven Queensland staff. TarnishedPath^talk 04:50, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

(The sentence "The trial, before justice Anthony Besanko, continues." is already etched into my brain at this point.)

c#73/74 (ABC/TG):

• A threat in Australia? Where?

I've removed mention of Australia and been more specific that it occured after the battle in Chora Pass. TarnishedPath^talk 05:18, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

• Explain briefly why/how the gun jammed, Person 1 made a mistake, RS was an ass about it as a result.

Done. TarnishedPath^talk 05:18, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

• The quote about the bullet in the back of the head is altered: "you’re going to get a bullet in the back of the head"; put quotes around what you're altering.

Corrected and expanded the quote. TarnishedPath^talk 05:18, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

• "you('d) better" for quote accuracy.

Done. TarnishedPath^talk 05:18, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

• Person 10 is mentioned in neither source, so the "Several serving members..." and Person 10 mention need editing unless you add another source.

I've removed mention of Person 10. TarnishedPath^talk 05:18, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

c#26/27/28 (TGx2/SMH): Didn't you just say the exact same thing about the identities/anonymity of Persons 7/42 in Victoria Cross?

I've removed most of the repetition and done a little bit or reorganisation of that paragraph. TarnishedPath^talk 07:51, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

c#75 (TG):

• Mid-April, actually. That Thursday is the 14th, based on the article dated the 18th.

Done. TarnishedPath^talk 08:03, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

• Why is Fairfax mentioned, instead of Nine Entertainment, the one said to be involved in this article?

By this stage it was Nine Entertainment and that's what the article states. I've adjusted it. TarnishedPath^talk 08:03, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

c#28/76 (SMH/TC) Evidence submissions? Information gathering? What do these mean, or am I missing something?

Lawyer jargon I think. One of the former editors of this article was a lawyer. Any legal jargon you notice is probably there because of their edits. I adjusted the article to state what the article does. TarnishedPath^talk 08:14, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

c#79/81/82 (TG/ALII/SMH): I'm going to assume the Evidence Act is mentioned by ALII?

Yes, 40 times. TarnishedPath^talk 08:19, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

c#83/84 (SMH/AFR): Can't verify Besanko following it, IA doesn't work right now and AFR gives me what appears to be a fake/broken loading indicator. Travis Mulch (talk) 20:00, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

IA was giving me troubles yesterday also. It's working now. For the AFR article, it will look exactly the same through IA. However, you can access the AFR article through archive.md. Unfortunately we can't use archive.md links anymore as it is depreciated and blacklisted. TarnishedPath^talk 08:26, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Adding a permalink for my later benefit. Special:Permalink/1379889091 TarnishedPath^talk 20:53, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

Pinging @Travis Mulch, do you have any further feedback? TarnishedPath^talk 23:19, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

My bad, will continue review, slipped my mind. Travis Mulch (talk) 23:21, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Cheers, I'll check in a bit later. TarnishedPath^talk 23:22, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Civil trial and judgement (Paragraphs 12-19; starting from "Besanko found that four murder allegations...")

c#96 (ABC): The whole Brereton Report thing is unsourced and probably needs something added.

You're correct. I'll need to preferably find more sourcing. This is kind of important detail and I'd rather not remove it. There's a good chance this was sourced before and that when I did the massive reorganisation during the last FAC review that another citation got lost and is now in the wrong place. I'll look into this more after work. TarnishedPath^talk 03:51, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

OK, I've found another citation which supports the Brereton Report bit. I've reworded and added some detail. Also changed from Brereton Report -> Brereton inquiry. The terms are often used interchangeably but the source uses inquiry, so I'll go with that. TarnishedPath^talk 08:42, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

c#100 (AWM): Is the "Last updated" date enough to go off of to say it was in 2023?

I've added a contemperanous reference to a secondary source (The Sydney Morning Herald). TarnishedPath^talk 04:05, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

(I found no other issues in this section. Good work! Continuing since we're out of the war crimes...) travis mulch 02:31, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

I'll also note I won't be conducting a book review as originally planned, just to avoid taking up further time prior to a support. I still intend to finish the source review. travis mulch 02:31, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

@Travis Mulch, sounds good. TarnishedPath^talk 08:43, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Pledging to (for real this time) finish this review tomorrow, I've been getting buried. Apologies for the wait time. I hope that the rest of the FAC goes smoothly afterwards, the source review is usually the hardest part. travis mulch 01:51, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

@Travis Mulch, cheers. I'll have a look tomorrow. TarnishedPath^talk 04:15, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

Appeals (2023–2025) (Paragraphs 1-5)

c#100/106 (ABC/AFR): Are the "Full Court" and the court granting the extension supported by the AFR source? I couldn't access it.

From the ABC "Mr Roberts-Smith's legal team on Tuesday filed a notice of appeal in the Federal Court, after receiving an extension to the normal time frame within which to launch it."

From the AFR "The decorated war veteran this week pulled the trigger on his anticipated appeal against findings that he was a war criminal" and "The scope of the appeal – “on the whole of the judgment” – means the court might have to allocate three or more weeks for a hearing. Chief Justice Debra Mortimer may even decide to extend the usual Full Court bench from three to five judges."

AFR can be a pain to access if you don't have a paid subscription. The only way I've found around it using archive.md. Unfortunately, as I think I mentioned above, archive.md is blacklisted. I'll try and get the rest of this section done tonight. TarnishedPath^talk 03:02, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

c#107 (ABC): We don't mention a trial in the text, neither does the source; but the source doesn't say "hearing" either, so I think "decision" is most accurate.

I"ve just removed the word "trial", which didn't read well in any case. I hope that works? TarnishedPath^talk 10:42, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

c#111 (SMH): The only time we mention Chris Dawson is that he refused to comment. Needs additional source to say RS received the medal from Dawson.

Every source I've just looked at is pretty much the same. Although we could logically assume that Dawson presented the medal, given that they were the governor and that it was at their house, I've removed mention of Dawson as none of the sources explicitly state that he presented it. TarnishedPath^talk 10:55, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

c#54 (TG): Sentence says "August 2024", while the source says ["Guardian Australia has confirmed Keelty resigned from the Order on 8 December last year,"]. Which is it?

I've adjusted the wording to state that's when The Guardian reported on it. TarnishedPath^talk 11:05, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

c#117 (TAge): Assuming "Roberts" refers to Emma; the sentence fragment "communications between Nick McKenzie's and Nine Entertainment's lawyers, and between Roberts-Smith and a friend of his ex-partner." is misphrased. There are two sides: McKenzie + his lawyers, and Scott + (Emma) Roberts. travis mulch 02:56, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

I've adjusted this to state that the orders covered communications between Roberts-Smith's ex-wife and a fried of theirs. TarnishedPath^talk 11:17, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Ps, I'll try and do the rest of this tomorrow. Weekends are generally not a good time for me as far as editing goes. TarnishedPath^talk 11:18, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Appeals (2023–2025) (Paragraphs 6-9)

c#119 (7n): Accounts, plural.

Done. TarnishedPath^talk 05:30, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

c#125 (SMH): June 16. "Monday" was the 16th, I checked a calendar.

Done. TarnishedPath^talk 05:37, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

c#127 (SMH): Where does the section "which will include the further cost of the application to the High Court." come from? Additional source needed, maybe?

I've removed it. I don't see that it added anything, given that it is implied that would be the case anyway. TarnishedPath^talk 05:42, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

c#128 (ABC): Not a fan of saying he had "exhausted all legal avenues", just call it his "final legal bid".

travis mulch 03:09, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Done. TarnishedPath^talk 05:57, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Funding

c#133/134 (SMH/TG): Where do the $13,270,950 and $224,872 figures come from? Not cited in either source. travis mulch 03:52, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Updated to reflect the sources which state $13.3 million and $225,000. TarnishedPath^talk 06:03, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Arrest and charges (2026)

c#138/139 (TAge/AFP): I'm not sure if the Operation Emerald-Argon link to the probe is as plainly described as the source text implies.

I've edited it to remove any claims of causation. Given TAge source was from 2023 and the AFP source is from this year, combining them in that manner was original research. TarnishedPath^talk 06:21, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

c#144/145/146 (OSI/ABC/9News): Are the "three charges of aid, abet, counsel, or procure an offence" a WP:CALC thing? I'm having a hard time figuring this one out.

No not a WP:CALC thing. Someone decided that they'd engage in classifying some of the charges in a manner which the sources don't (i.e., original research). I've adjusted the section of text to be closer to the source. TarnishedPath^talk 07:05, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

c#152/153 (TA/CDPP): Is "206 orders" cited to The Australian?

It is indeed. 'Judge Horan ruled that the 206 orders, described as “detailed and lengthy”, were appropriate to protect Mr Roberts-Smith’s right to a fair trial and for the proper administration of justice.' TarnishedPath^talk 07:08, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

c#153/154 (CDPP/TheN): Where does the "a week earlier" timeframe come from in the sources? Not needed if not relevant to the sources.

Not from the sources. WP:CALC. TarnishedPath^talk 07:12, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• Update past October 13th, as the date has passed.

Done and added material about him launching a clothing brand. TarnishedPath^talk 07:42, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• Unnecessary spacing below the final paragraph.

Removed. TarnishedPath^talk 07:12, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

travis mulch 04:03, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Personal life (Web sources, finishing with Public perceptions)

c#170 (UQ): Dead link.

Updated the reference to indicate as such. TarnishedPath^talk 07:49, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

c#171/172/173 (Newsx2/TT): Neither source supports December 2020 divorce date. TT is a dead link. travis mulch 04:07, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

I've updated the wording to state they separated in January 2020 and that they had divorced by late 2020/early 2021. I've added a source for the separation date. I've removed a couple of the sources which weren't about the divorce. From the source I kept are the following bits of information "Relationship debut weeks after divorce finalised" and "The couple debuted their relationship in January, accompanying each other to the Magic Millions horse race on the Gold Coast." The source is dated June 9, 2021. TarnishedPath^talk 08:38, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Public perceptions

c#157/158 (WAT/fre): Can you cite a source which directly refers to the Australian Football League so we don't have to assume?

Couldn't find any I guess because all the sources which discuss it just state that he was the number one ticketholder for the Freo Dockers and that's an AFL team, so everyone would get the context. TarnishedPath^talk 09:02, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

c#160 (TSP): Article could not be accessed. Confirm claim is made.

From the source "Roberts-Smith served as deputy chair of Tony Abbott’s advisory committee on mental health." The source can be accessed through archive.md. TarnishedPath^talk 09:06, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

c#164 (NADC): Dead link.

Updated the reference to indicate that the original is dead. I've also updated the archive URL as the existing one wasn't working for me. TarnishedPath^talk 09:14, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

c#156/167 (ABC/AFR): Confirm if the $475,000 figure and telling PwC about the allegations is cited to AFR. I don't know what's up with this website and breaking for me.

For the $475,000 figure (from the AFR) "The barrister also said that he would be calling an expert accountant, Michael Potter, to estimate that Mr Roberts-Smith has lost approximately $475,000 worth of speaking gigs since the articles were published."

Regarding the PWC partnership offer and subsequent withdrawal (again the AFR) "Ben Roberts-Smith was offered a partnership at big four consulting firm PwC but withdrew from talks after the publication of stories that he claims defamed him and for which he wants millions in damages." and “After my client learned of the allegations … he informed that firm of accountants, and they agreed it would not be appropriate for him to move forward until the matter is cleared.” TarnishedPath^talk 09:18, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

c#48 (ABC): Can it be more explicitly said that the "reputation has been lowered" quote is attributed to Besanko in the cited sources? travis mulch 04:20, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Actually the quote is the ABC summarising Besanko. I've adjusted it so that is clear. The "disgraced his country Australia and the Australian army by his conduct as a member of the SASR in Afghanistan" bit thought is a direct quote from Besanko, so no change there. TarnishedPath^talk 09:34, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

(whew) @TarnishedPath, that's everything from me! If you have any further questions after everything's been addressed, ping me & let me know. As far as I'm concerned, I think I've done enough reading about war crimes for now. Very well-documented article overall! travis mulch 04:21, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

@Travis Mulch, cheers for your time. I'll give you a ping once I've gong through all the above, which I hope to get done tonight. TarnishedPath^talk 04:39, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Adding a permalink for my benefit in case reference numbers change because of my editing. Special:Permalink/1380189829 TarnishedPath^talk 02:47, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

@Travis Mulch, I think I've addressed everything above. Let me know if I've missed anything or if you would like any further changes. TarnishedPath^talk 09:35, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath I'm satisfied with all the changes. Support! travis mulch 16:50, 18 October 2026 (UTC)