Wikipedia:Featured article candidates

Icepinner

This seems like a very interesting subject – I find it rather odd that a boy's death generated so much spiritual interpretation. Comments to come in the next few days. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:12, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

• "whose death in Dornach, Switzerland, at the age of seven," remove "at the age of seven" bit? I think it's redundant considering his dates of birth and death are stated

• Done. --Usernameunique (talk) 15:38, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

• Maybe also mention in the lead the burning of the Goetheanum and why Faiss's spirit failed to protect it? Or would that be UNDUE...?

• Done. --Usernameunique (talk) 19:11, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

• "Arno was born during the return trip" this seems irrelevant to me, considering that the article is supposed to be on Theo Faiss.

• It's not the most relevant information in the article, to be sure, but it's interesting. It highlights the stresses of undertaking such a journey back them—no way to jump on a plane and get there in a matter of hours. --Usernameunique (talk) 16:32, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

Fair enough, I suppose. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:24, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

• "brother's family in Oldenburg" consider linking Oldenburg (city)?

• Done. I had originally not done this because there is both Oldenburg (city) and Oldenburg (district), and the source just says "Oldenburg". But the district (per the article) has several towns and municipalities, so it seems more likely that the source would have named one of those if in fact the family lived there. --Usernameunique (talk) 15:43, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

Ah, I was not aware of this. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:24, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

• "below the grounds of the Goetheanum" consider linking the Goetheanum. Perhaps also mention here that the Goetheanum was then under construction? I was under the impression that the Goetheanum was completed during that time, so when I read "the artist Käthe Knetsch, who worked on the Goetheanum", I thought it was a grammatical error.

• Done on both counts. --Usernameunique (talk) 19:18, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

• "he said then, highlighted 'how karma and seemingly external coincidence are connected'" link karma? I'm not too fussy on this

• Done. --Usernameunique (talk) 15:46, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

• "In June, during the twelfth lecture from his fifteen-lecture series The Mystery of Death, for example, Steiner declared that..." this seems a bit clunky to me. How about "For example, during the twelfth lecture from his fifteen-lecture series The Mystery of Death in June, Steiner declared that..."?

• I think the issue was that the sentence was trying to do too much. I've split it in two: In June, for example, Steiner delivered the twelfth of fifteen lectures in the series The Mystery of Death. Steiner declared in the lecture that "since the death of little Theodor Faiss the work has been made possible for me through the mediating forces for inspirations that have been made available by this boy's etheric body which has been enveloping the building".

Good fix! Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:24, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

• "The interpretation relies on Steiner's belief that humans form and develop in seven-year cycles: forming an etheric body over the first seven years, an astral body from seven to fourteen, and the remainder of one's terrestrial being from fourteen to twenty-one.[80][81][82][83][84]" is there a reason the article cites five sources for this sentence?

• It's two from von Halle explaining her theory (a book, plus a shorter article that's available online), two from Steiner explaining the concept, and an English translation of one of the latter two. I'll bundle the original/translation cites (which I ended up doing in In Memory of Theo Faiss), which will at least bring us down to four here. --Usernameunique (talk) 16:18, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

• Is there a reason why Maryon created In Memory of Theo Faiss, especially since it was created seven years after Faiss's death?

• The seven-year gap is somewhat odd. I would normally expect such a memorial to be created shortly after death, not years later. Also, much as Steiner frequently mentioned Faiss, he seems to have stopped in 1916—five years before the relief. And there is there is no surviving (or at least published) record of the relief other than its mere existence, so the reason for the seven-year gap is speculation. With that said, Maryon created a number of reliefs of people connected with anthroposophy around this time, so it's possible it was a continuation of that effort. I also find von Halle's theory to be interesting. Although she assigns her theory too much certainty (and I find her unconvincing when she says the man at the bottom left of the first version is Steiner), it would explain the seven-year gap between death and creation. --Usernameunique (talk) 16:56, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

I see. The seven-year gap continues to be a mystery, but not an opposition from me. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:24, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

• I also wonder why the second version of the relief is displayed, considering the first version has more discussion in the article. Maybe the second version ties into von Halle's analysis?

• Mostly because the photo is better. I've changed it so both are now displayed. --Usernameunique (talk) 15:54, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

That's all from me. An excellent article. Ping me when you've addressed my comments, Usernameunique. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 14:01, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

Thanks much for the review, Icepinner. Responses above. As you say, it is interesting that so much significance was assigned to his death. It would be easy enough to dismiss it as the comforting trope of "God needed another angel"—essentially what Steiner told the mother on the night it happened. But Steiner continued to invoke him for years, and he continues to be remembered today (if in very niche circles). Part of it likely has to do with the Dornach anthroposophical community being small and close-knit. And what with Faiss and then his father, that must have been an extraordinarily difficult time for the family. --Usernameunique (talk) 21:22, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

No problem. I gladly support this nomination on prose. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:24, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

Thanks again, Icepinner. --Usernameunique (talk) 19:21, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

SchroCat

• Support, per my review in the first nom. - SchroCat (talk) 19:04, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

  Thanks, SchroCat. --Usernameunique (talk) 19:04, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

Source and image review

Is it just me, or is nearly all of this sauced to dependent sources? I know that young Theo draws his notability entirely from the anthroposophy movement but it's a bit much. I must admit that I struggle to read the plaster reliefs so I'll just AGF on the ALT text. Everything else seems fine. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 13:01, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

Image review

I'll do an image review. Given that there are quite a number of them, I might review them in two or three lots. I'll hopefully have a look at the first lot tonight. TarnishedPath^talk 06:22, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

• File:TfNSW L1.svg - Public Domain
• File:A tram (15860847401).jpg - CC BY 2.0
• File:Metro Monorail Convention.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
• File:Dulwich Hill 24-02-10 (4833721233).jpg - CC BY-SA 2.0
• File:Arlington light rail stop 2013-08-07.JPG - CC BY-SA 3.0
• File:Taverners Hill Light Rail Parramatta Road.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• File:Lilyfield light rail maintenance centre 20171028 01.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
• All of the images above have alt-text for accessibility, are relevant to the article, and have proper captioning.

More to come tomorrow. TarnishedPath^talk 10:31, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

• File:John Street Square L1 station, Pyrmont.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• File:Tunnel entrance at Glebe station.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• File:Jubilee Park Viaduct (cropped).jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• File:Lilyfield Maintenance Centre (cropped).jpg - CC BY 4.0
• All of the images above have alt-text for accessibility, are relevant to the article, and have proper captioning. However, the manner of their placement in the article has resulted in three of them falling beside a table for the 'Stops' section. I'm not sure how I feel about that. This may possible display better if the four images were in a gallery, either at the top or the bottom of the 'Route' section. More to come tomorrow. TarnishedPath^talk 09:06, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

  I did place them like that on purpose, because to me, the table is narrow enough that those images can fit. If it doesn't work well on other screens, I could try using Template:Multiple image. Steelkamp (talk) 09:13, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

  Yeah, I thought there was a potential that you placed them in that manner on purpose. The minor issue I'm seeing is that means that some of the images are separated from the section which they pertain to. It might stand out to me more than others as I'm on a 34" screen. TarnishedPath^talk 09:45, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

  Good point on the "images are separated from the section which they pertain to". I've placed the four images in that section in a Template:Multiple images. Steelkamp (talk) 04:01, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

  Ah, that is much more pleasing to my peepers. TarnishedPath^talk 08:19, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

• File:Central light rail station.JPG - CC0
• File:SLR 2114, Capitol Square, 2018 (01).jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• File:PaddysMarketStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• File:ExhibitionStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• File:ConventionStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• File:Pyrmont Bay Stop, June 2024.jpg - CC0
• File:The Star Stop, June 2024 05.jpg - CC0
• File:JohnStreetSquareStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• File:FishMarketStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• File:Wentworth Park light rail stop, Sydney, 2026, 03.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• All of the images above have alt-text for accessibility, are relevant to the article, and have proper captioning. I'll finish the rest of the table in the stops section later on tonight. TarnishedPath^talk 08:45, 30 October 2026 (UTC)
• File:GlebeStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• File:Jubilee Park 20171129 03.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
• File:Rozelle Bay light rail stop 20171028 02.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
• File:Lilyfield light rail stop view from bridge March 2017.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
• File:Leichhardt North light rail station, Sydney.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
• File:HawthorneStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• File:Marion light rail station, Sydney.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
• File:Taverners Hill Stop, June 2024 01.jpg - CC0
• File:LewishamWestStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• File:WaratahMillsStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• File:Arlington Stop, June 2024 03.jpg - CC0
• File:Urbos 2 at Dulwich Grove Stop Inner West Light Rail Extension.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
• File:DulwichHillStop.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• All of the images above have alt-text for accessibility, are relevant to the article, and have proper captioning. That's all of the images from the 'Stops' section reviewed. I'll review the remainder of the images in the article tomorrow night. I noted that a lot of the images in the stop section were taken by Steelkamp. They've really taken some effort with this. TarnishedPath^talk 10:43, 30 October 2026 (UTC)
• File:Sydney Light Rail L1 Opal Card.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
• File:MLR - panoramio.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
• File:CAF Urbos 2 tram, operated by Transdev, at Central Station (2).jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0 au
• File:Sydney's light rail - Urbos 3.jpg - CC0
• All of the images above have alt-text for accessibility, are relevant to the article, and have proper captioning.
• Pass TarnishedPath^talk 07:41, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

Comments

• "Headways reach as low as six minutes during peak periods" - not heard the term "headways" before - is this an Aussie term for "frequency of service"?
  • Apparently there's a Wikipedia article on the topic. Don't think its an Aussie term. Just means the time between each vehicle. Frequency would be the number of vehicles per hour, so a slightly different but related term.
    • Every day's a school day . Maybe link that article on first use in the lead and body -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:05, 29 October 2026 (UTC)
      • Done. Steelkamp (talk) 09:12, 29 October 2026 (UTC)
• "TNT proposed a monorail" - write that name out in full with the abbreviation in brackets
  • Done.
• "From Pyrmont, The proposed light rail line" - no reason for capital T there
  • Fixed.
• "The line was intended to support the redevelopment of Pyrmont and Ultimo and serving attractions" => "The line was intended to support the redevelopment of Pyrmont and Ultimo and serve attractions"
  • Done.
• "The light rail corridor at the Arlington light rail stop before (February 2010) and during construction (August 2013)." - this image caption is not a sentence so it should not have a full stop
  • Done.
• Note d does not need a full stop
  • Done.
• That's all I got - great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:24, 29 October 2026 (UTC)
  • @ChrisTheDude: Thanks for the review, I've addressed each comment! Steelkamp (talk) 09:02, 29 October 2026 (UTC)
• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:59, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

MSincccc

• FunkMonk It's great to have you back at FAC. I am currently occupied with Chris's FAC and other work on and off-wiki, but I've made a few revisions. Could we include the relevant language template in the mainspace?

Good luck with the nomination. MSincccc (talk) 16:35, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm not sure what you mean with language template? Feel free to add it, I don't think I have a strong opinion about it either way. FunkMonk (talk) 16:59, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

I mean the English variant used like:

{{Use American English}} or {{Use British}} MSincccc (talk) 17:12, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

Ah, yes, since it's a fossil from the US, it's US English. I'll add it with my next round of edits if you don't get to it first. FunkMonk (talk) 17:20, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

NRP

Support per peer review. NRP (talk) 11:36, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

RoySmith

Just a quick note about File:Netflix outages reported on January 7–8, 2026.svg. As a techie, I get that log plots can be useful when showing large changes, but I think this will be lost on most of our non-technical WP:AUDIENCE. A linear plot would convey the data better to a wide audience. RoySmith (talk) 14:51, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Done. In solidarity, Brynn Who Likes Editing | talk w/ me! 16:31, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Source spot-check - pass

Will do. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 21:55, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

This table lists 3 random passages from throughout the article (4.8% of 63 total passages). These passages contain 4 inline citations (4.7% of 85 in the article). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 21:55, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

@Brynn Who Likes Editing: Source spot-check is all good. I currently have a nomination for "Señorita" up; you may leave comments there if you wish RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 03:42, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Travis Mulch

I already said quite a bit during the peer review, mostly pointing out weaker sources (which have since been fixed) and small formatting fixes. I'll be doing a source review in the next week (hopefully by Halloween) since Brynn's a first-time nominator. travis mulch 02:37, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Generalissima

Recusing to do a prose review. Expect it within the next week. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 18:23, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

Drive-by comments from Brynn Who Likes Editing

A lot of them content under the Commercial performance heading reads very mechanically as prose and would probably work better as a list or table. I'm new to FAC, but if anyone else here backs me up them please do this. In solidarity, Brynn Who Likes Editing | talk w/ me! 05:25, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

@Brynn Who Likes Editing: Other FA music articles repeat peak positions in commercial performance (see, for example: "Bad Idea Right?" and "Easy on Me"). RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 06:05, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Yeah, but those article sections don't seem to be as mechanical and disengaging. They're broken up into sentences with a flow; yours is just one sentence-list per paragraph. Maybe do it as a table? Again, I'm new to FAC, so you should probably wait until someone else agrees with me before doing that. In solidarity, Brynn Who Likes Editing | talk w/ me! 06:09, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Comments by magiciandude (Erick)

• You don't need to list every performance of the song in the lead.
  • I assume this is referring to the Australian Urban thing, which I removed.
• " The song has been described as a "Spanish number" with a "Latin-flavored" cut beat." By whom? A one reviewer or several critics?
  • Described as a Spanish number by the Centralian Advocate and with a Latin-flavored cut beat by the Sunday Republican.
• Audio sample needs a critical commentary to justify WP:NFCC. You can use my FA article Romance (Luis Miguel album) as an example.
  • Done.
• Speaking of critical commentary, I noticed there's none for the music video itself. Did critics liked or disliked it? If none can be found, I suggest searching for "Best/worst video lists by Justin Timberlake" that might have a reception on the video.
  • There was a review from a student newspaper, but I removed it. Added two rankings.
• The Commercial performance could also include critical commentary such as what I did with my FA El Alma al Aire. Even a mention of the song's success from an article by Billboard would suffice. Of course, if you can't find any, there's completely understandable.
  • With a song like "Señorita", there really wouldn't be any mention of its success.
• "'Señorita'" received mostly positive reviews from music critics". This statement itself needs to be sourced. I would suggest removing it if you cannot find it.
  • Removed.

That's all pops up to me at the moment. Erick (talk) 20:49, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

@Magiciandude: Replies above. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 22:05, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Good job! I would just add "The song has been described as a "Spanish number" with a "Latin-flavored" cut beat" by reviewer(s)/music journalist(s), or something like that. That's what I was referring to on my question about who called it a "Latin flavored". Erick (talk) 22:10, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Done. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 22:15, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

@RedShellMomentum Support Great job! Erick (talk) 22:24, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Spot check - pass

This table lists 7 random passages from throughout the article (7.5% of 93 total passages). These passages contain 7 inline citations (5.5% of 128 in the article). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script. In solidarity, Brynn Who Likes Editing | talk w/ me! 07:10, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

When I'm done, can you please help further review Conformity Gate? In solidarity, Brynn Who Likes Editing | talk w/ me! 07:10, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

Media review - pass

Hi RedShellMomentum, happy to do the media review. The article contains the following media files:

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Se%C3%B1orita.png

  non-free image with a valid fair use rational and sufficiently low resolution

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pharrell_Williams_2024_(54133384149).jpg

  CC BY 2.0, from Flickr

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chadhugo_(300dpi).jpg

  CC BY-SA 2.0 and CC BY-SA 3.0, own work and on Flickr

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Justin_Timberlake_-_Se%C3%B1orita_sample.ogg

  Non-free sound file with a valid fair use rational. It's short enough, but I'm not sure that the quality is low enough: it's 95 kbps, but WP:SAMPLE recommends "roughly 64kbit/s)". Also: the justification is possibly too bare-bones. For example, the field "Purpose of use in article" currently says "Timberlake's smooth delivery under Neptunes production." Maybe expand it a little to explain that the purpose is to illustrate certain features of the song. Many of the other points have similar problems. Some of these points have standard responses, so you could check sound samples from other recently passed FA articles to see how they respond.

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Justin_Timberlake_-_Se%C3%B1orita_2007.jpg

  CC BY 2.0, from Flickr; the URL is not working anymore, but it was confirmed by a reviewer

All media files are relevant to the article and placed in appropriate locations. They have alt-texts and captions/descriptions. Phlsph7 (talk) 10:19, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

@Phlsph7: Audio file is now 53 kbps, and it now has a better non-free use rationale. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 16:14, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

Looks good: that takes care of the remaining concerns. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:42, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

Jon698

Guess I'll get the ball rolling and be the first reviewer. Jon698 (talk) 08:07, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

Limited comments by Nick-D

Just commenting on the para on his military service:

• "The Selective Service (American conscription system) reported that Enzi was in good health in 1963, and in 1966" - presumably he was assessed as such by the conscription authorities?

• Could you clarify what specific edit you are requesting

• "Enzi applied to the Officer Candidate School (OCS) as a civilian" - what officer candidate school is being referred to here? The news stories indicate that he tried to join the Navy as an officer candidate. I don't think that people can apply directly to the officer candidate schools. "As a civilian" is also surplus.

• The Office Candidate School being referred to here is the Officer Candidate School for the U.S. Navy. Would you like me to preface it with United States Navy? The "As a civilian" line was requested by User:RoySmith in the previous FAC. You can apply as a civilian per this and this.

• "In 1996, Enzi stated that he tried to enlist to serve in the Vietnam War" - I can't see where this is referenced in either of the two sources cited

• The article says that he wanted to enlist as active duty. I guess I must have rendered that as wanting to serve in the Vietnam War since there were about half a million soldiers there at that point. I have changed the wording to better reflect the article in this edit

• "Wyoming Veterans of Foreign Wars Commander Bill Saunders and others" - the only other person quoted in the sources is one of Enzi's political opponents. This should be specified given they were obviously neither disinterested or an expert on the matter.

• Done in this edit

• My understanding is that Enzi was likely completely correct here, as most militaries have higher physical standards for officer candidates than they do for enlisted personnel (as they make a substantial investment in training officers and want them to serve for a lengthy period, and officers also have physically and mentally demanding jobs and are required to set standards for enlisted personnel). The health checks for potential conscripts tend to be somewhat unreliable as well, as they are often based on fairly cursory assessments. The he-says/she-says type construction of this material makes this difficult for readers to understand, but may be unavoidable here.
• An unstated issue in the article at present is that this para is actually about whether Enzi avoided serving in Vietnam and/or conscription into the Army by joining the National Guard (as many men did). Can this be made clear? Nick-D (talk) 22:54, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• The issue for Enzi was more so stolen valor rather than draft dodging per paragraph three of this article. Do you want me to make any text edits to include that?

• If that's why this became an issue, yes. Nick-D (talk) 03:57, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

• @Nick-D: Done in this edit

• @Nick-D: I have replied to all of your points above. Jon698 (talk) 03:04, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Image review

I'll do an image review. TarnishedPath^talk 07:42, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

• File:Mike Enzi, official portrait, 115th Congress.jpg - Public domain
• File:Mike Enzi in 1997.jpg - Public domain
• File:Mike Enzi official portrait.jpg - Public domain
• File:Mike Enzi in 2009.jpg - Public domain
• File:Mike Enzi, official portrait, 115th Congress (cropped1).jpg - Public domain - this is a cropped version of the image from the infobox.
• File:P021711PS-0237 (5508406060).jpg - Public domain
• File:President George W. Bush signs the Pension Protection Act.jpg - Public domain
• File:President George W. Bush signs the Americans with Disabilities Amendments Act.jpg - Public domain
• All of the images have alt-text for accessibility, are relevant to the article, and have proper captioning.

There's also one audio clip.

• File:U.S. Senator Mike Enzi's full statement to the Senate Budget Committee, March 13, 2013.ogg - Public domain

Pass TarnishedPath^talk 08:28, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Source review from Travis Mulch

Trading for Toby Fox since Jon offered to review there. The article previously received a general "source (quality) review" during the first FAC nomination, so consider this more of a two-in-one spot check & source review. Newspaper & congressional articles are heavily used, and this'll be Jon's second FA, so let's call it an even 20%. Expect the completed review by Sunday

This table lists 37 random passages from throughout the article (20.2% of 183 total passages). These passages contain 45 inline citations (18.7% of 241 in the article). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script. travis mulch 17:44, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Also, just to better understand where we're at, @Jon698: were you able to address the political position comments made by Jo-Jo Eumerus the last time? Jo-Jo, do you have any separate comments on the article's current state before I undergo this source review? travis mulch 17:47, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

• Jo-Jo and I were in the middle of that discussion when the nomination was archived. Jon698 (talk) 19:37, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

  Doesn't mean the discussion should've stopped there. Talk pages... I'd like to see what Jo-Jo has to say so it doesn't continue to be an issue. travis mulch 19:48, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

  I have left them a message on their talk page. Jon698 (talk) 22:27, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

  To be honest, I still think the structure of the political positions section is an issue for the same reasons as I said in the previous FAC. I am just not certain if bringing up this problem - which is quite a bit more widespread than your article - in a FAC is really the right venue. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:23, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

  Well, I'll leave that to be discussed separately, and I'll conduct this source review. This can be further discussed by other editors, I'm just here to review source-to-text accuracy. travis mulch 18:53, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

Hurricanehink

I reviewed it the last time around, and if anything the article has gotten better. Support as I did last time (where I gave a full review). ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:50, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

Source spot-check - pass

Will do. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 22:19, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

This table lists 4 random passages from throughout the article (4.7% of 86 total passages). These passages contain 4 inline citations (3.2% of 125 in the article). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 22:19, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

@Magiciandude and Maxwell Smart123321: Source spot-check is all good RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 22:30, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you, RedShellMomentum! Erick (talk) 22:34, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Dylan620

Seeing as I myself have an active (albeit somewhat stale) music-related FAC, I think it behooves me to review this. I'm planning to finish a GA review today or tomorrow, then this will be next. Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 11:52, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

@Dylan620 Thanks in advance! I'll be sure to review your article as well and address any issues brought up next week as I have work for then next four days and won't be active. Erick (talk) 21:59, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

No problem Erick! I have a few initial comments for through the end of §Critical_reception:

• becoming one of the longest albums to chart at number one – Grammatically, this indicates that the runtime of the album itself was exceptional, whereas you clearly mean this about the length of the album's tenure at the top of the chart.
• Recording for Mi Reflejo began in April 2000 and production concluded three months later. – This sentence seems a little bit off to me. Aren't recording and production generally distinct from one another? The way this sentence is phrased almost seems to consider them one and the same.
• Originally titled Latin Lover Girl,[17] the album's title Mi Reflejo, was announced on August 8, 2000. – I would move the bit about the original title to the end of the paragraph, as the current phrasing of this sentence indicates that the title itself had a title. Maybe rephrase as The album and its title, Mi Reflejo, were announced...?
• Gibrann on his album Escapate Conmigo (1990), – Because a colon is used to set this up, I recommend separating the two entries with a semicolon instead of a comma.
• informing her love interest to treat her right. – Wouldn't this be an instruction instead of a notification?
• On the ballad,[27] "El Beso del Final",[27] → On the ballad "El Beso del Final",[27] (flows more smoothly IMO)
• An editor for Billboard wrote that Aguilera has yielded a mostly mainstream pop album – I feel like 'had' would work better for an album which was released 26 years ago.
• Parry Gettelman from Orlando Sentinel stated Mi Reflejo lacks emotional depth, and [Aguilera's] decision to record in Spanish seems more a bid to conquer new chart territory than anything else" – I think a quotation mark is missing here.

Let me know whaen you've addressed the above comments, or if you have any questions, and I'll continue on from there. Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 06:30, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

Comments by ZKang123

I reviewed this article as part of a GAN assist, and back then I felt it was adequate for GA. However, my initial comment here is that the lead is rather way too short and doesn't adequately summarise the article. I also note this is at least more detailed than the Tabancale language, particularly with what can be uncovered about the phonology. I might give a look through on the content later.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 02:47, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

I do agree with your point on the lead, and I might try to expand it soon. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 04:25, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Lead:

• Quingnam (also misspelled Quignam[3]: 150 ), also called Pescadora (though this name is ambiguous) and Chimú Think this is a bit too wordy. I might just say Quingnam, also known as Chimú,... And have the following part: Sometimes misspelled Quignam and also called Pescadora, though this name is ambiguous as a footnote (efn).
• Would also wikilink Extinct language in first mention of "extinct"
• After the Spanish conquest Might wikilink Spanish conquest of the Inca Empire
• The language went into decline afterwards and was extinct by 1763. "Afterwards" is redundant.
• It is virtually unknown, with a list of numerals, proper names and a few other scattered words constituting the only data on the language. However, a number of place names and personal names have been recorded from the language, and some words presumably of Quingnam origin have been found in the local Spanish of the area it was formerly spoken in. This part is quite repetitive.

History:

• Chimor was founded around 900 AD and conquered by and incorporated into the Inca Empire around 1470 Shorten to: Chimor was founded around 900 AD and annexed by the Inca Empire around 1470
• An early 17th-century letter found during excavations in the ruins of a church at Magdalena de Cao Viejo in the El Brujo Archaeological Complex includes a list of decimal numerals on the back which are probably Quingnam (Pescadora) This sentence is a bit long. Suggest splitting.
• for example, in Guaman in the Moche Valley, residents there already spoke Spanish in 1582 Reword to: for example, residents in Guaman in the Moche Valley already spoke Spanish in 1582
• Quingnam is not mentioned in a 1651 document listing languages needed for the "evangelization of the North Coast", nor in Baltasar Jaime Martínez Compañón's late-18th-century Codex Martínez Compañón, indicating that by then, according to Urban (2019), "it was not considered relevant for the aims of the Spanish" Quite a long sentence here. Suggest splitting.

Classification:

• ...spoken a language called Lengua Pescadora 'fisherman language' by Spanish missionaries I think you should put brackets around 'fisherman language'

Phonology:

• Why is the quote just hanging there? Might properly attribute

Will continue reviewing.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 04:52, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Fixed most issues listed here. I don't really believe that Quingnam is not mentioned in a 1651 document listing languages needed for the "evangelization of the North Coast", nor in Baltasar Jaime Martínez Compañón's late-18th-century Codex Martínez Compañón, indicating that by then, according to Urban (2019), "it was not considered relevant for the aims of the Spanish" is that long so as t require splitting. If you have any suggestions, please let me know. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 17:50, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Phonology (continued):

• Curious but why isn't there like a phonetics table like Khmer language? Is it because it's mostly speculative?
• Indeed, there are very few toponyms in the Moche Valley which contain this letter. This may be due to a co-occurrence of Mochica and Quingnam in the area. In any case, the evidence for /f/ in Quingnam is very weak This reads a bit too essay-like, especially like the use of "indeed" and "in any case"
• . ⟨d⟩, in contrast, is much clearer in its pronunciation; it is very rare in recorded toponyms I don't exactly understand this sentence. How is it "clearer in pronunication" but rare in recorded toponyms?
• Might wikilink Phonotactics and Stress (linguistics)
• This section might be better reviewed by someone more well-versed in languages.

Grammar:

• What is CVC?
• The suffix -na can be identified in lexical data possibly attributable to Quingnam, though it is uncertain if it is actually Quingnam, such as in the words quirana 'binding with which the reeds composing a roll or bundle is bound in the reed raft used for fishing in Huanchaco', huabina 'freshwater fish', huangana 'binding for reed raft' (though a Quechua etymology from wanqu 'strap, lace' has also been proposed), and palana 'shovel or spade used in agriculture', which is apparently derived from Spanish pala 'shovel' with the element -na, which could also be the Quechua instrument nominalizer -na Quite a long sentence here. I know it's to explain the meanings of some words, but it's too hard to read through.

Vocabulary:

• Actually, I half-wonder whether the analysis can be merged into the table. Like, you create another column for analysis.
• As late as 1811, a report was made by an anonymous priest reporting on the customs of residents of the town of Virú Could shorten to: As late as 1811, an anonymous priest documented the customs of Virú residents.
• These terms include colao and anchaco, which refer to varieties of chicha, circil, a sort of textile used to "store maize in holes in the sand for preservation and to sieve it later", a kind of calabash called pulluyo, and a plant "probably" called casoco used in pulverized form for medicinal use, a tree called oberal or nier whose flowers were used to cure jaundice, of which oberal is also mentioned in the Piura region, though nier seems to be a more regional term, pay pay 'flour' (cf. Mochica pei 'grass'), and an unspecified animal called pac pac "used to cure hernia by opening it alive and placing it on the sick part of the body". Also quite a long sentence here.

These are what I have from my first read through. My impression is that the article is still a bit complex for non-linguists to understand, particularly in the phonology section.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 01:19, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

Tried to fix most issues listed here. There just isn't enough information to add in a table; after all, it is known from just a few words. I can't wikilink "phonotactics" since it's a section header. I tried to explain the wildcard notation up above in the phonology section. I have also converted the long sentence into footnotes. The analysis section isn't super mergeable since a good chunk of it applies to too many words. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 02:33, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

Courtesy ping @ZKang123 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 17:41, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Personally I'm not very confident this article would pass FAC. I saw Kisseran comments below which gave a more thorough review of the phonology section. But I haven't make my stance either way as I want to see what others think about this article.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 23:45, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

Looking at the issues outlined below I'm not confident either. I seem to have made some significant issues with the sourcing when initially expanding the article. I'll try to fix the issues and we can go from there. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 05:43, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

Comments by Generalissima

Recusing to review. There's some problems with the headings and subheadings.

• I don't think the subsections under History are needed, and the one small paragraph of Geographical distribution can be merged to the history section. Per MOS:BODY, short paragraphs generally don't warrant their own subheadings.
• Per MOS:SECTIONSTYLE, you shouldn't call back to the article title in section headings. So 'Quingnam and the lengua pescadora" ought to be "Lengua pescadora", no? (Also, this could be a subsection of classification.)
• The short subsections under Phonology could probably reduced too - Consonants and Vowels work as sections, with Phonotactics under Consonants (as it mostly just talks about consonants). Stress could be put under the main Phonology heading before the subheadings.
• Grammar doesn't need those subsections.
• Loanwords and Spanish vocabulary subsections could be merged.

Other prose comments to come. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 10:39, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

I have merged some of the sections as I see fit, but I believe that some of the sections should probably be kept in accordance with standard language article layout; I can also likely expand some of the shorter sections as well. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 19:42, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

MSincccc

• @Kepler-1229b: I don't have the time to do a full review here but I've made a few minor revisions to the prose. Good luck with the nomination. MSincccc (talk) 17:35, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Kisseran

Full review to come. For now, I am quite perplexed by the absence of an inventory table in the phonology section. Do all of the sources refuse to present the information in tabular form? Even if none of the sources present a table, making one out of the information available is hardly OR. Kisseran (talk) 01:47, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

@Kisseran The sources certainly refuse to present the information in tabular form. I am hesitant to introduce a table due to the obvious nature of the data. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 20:23, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

Hmm. Taking a look at the sources you cite for the phonology section, I can understand why you decided against including a table. I personally don't think the obvious nature of the data is a compelling rationale, but that's beside the point for FAC. I'll comment a bit more on the phonology section because I have just taken a look at the source and it is also my specialty:

• A few phonological aspects of Quingnam may be deduced from the highly limited data, namely presence of word-final stress, and allowance of consonants in the coda position, as evidenced by the word sut '6' — this sentence is confusing to me for several reasons: (1) a list of items following namely is usually exhaustive, but these are clearly not the only phonological aspects of Quingnam that we know. (2) The word sutpresumably only provides evidence for coda consonants, not final stress. (3) I don't find either the collocations of "presence of word-final stress" or "allowance of consonants in the coda position" to be particularly idiomatic.
• The sound [w] may also be postulated based on orthographic alternations of sequences of ⟨ua⟩, ⟨guV⟩ (where V represents a wildcard for any vowel) and ⟨ao⟩, present in both proper names and lexical items. This sound may also be represented by ⟨v⟩ and sometimes ⟨b⟩, which alternate orthographically with the above sequences. — It is not apparent why these alternations are discussed in two separate sentences.
• There are very few toponyms in the Moche Valley which contain this letter. — "this letter" has no clear antecedent here. Having read the source I know you are referring to /f/, which is also problematic because /f/ is a phoneme and not a letter.
• This may be due to a co-occurrence of Mochica and Quingnam in the area — I think this misrepresents the source. Reading your sentence would lead one to assume that the co-occurrence of Mochica and Quingnam is suggested to be the cause for the paucity of /f/ in the area, whereas the source makes it clear that it is the cause for the presence of /f/ in the area.
• This sound is extremely rare in the world, but most notably occurs in Muisca, a Chibchan language. — "extremely rare" is not a good paraphrasing of "not at all common". It is also not true: labial-velar /kp/ appears in about 8% of languages according to WALS and 12% according to PHOIBLE. "most notably occurs in Muisca" is also editorializing not found in the source, which simply states that "it was found in Muisca".
• in certain cases it represented a fricative [β] or an approximant [w] — this is not said confidently in the source, which emphasizes very much that it was ambiguous.
• The first case is evidently a transcription of [w] in a Spanish orthography and the second can be explained as an instance of voicing after nasals. — what the "first case" and "second case" are is rather unclear here.
• For example, ⟨o⟩ is present in a non-front vowel environment, and ⟨i⟩ appears whenever it is also present in a form. — I can't blame you for this sentence being confusing because it is also confusing in the source. Perhaps "and ⟨i⟩ appears whenever it is present elsewhere in a form" is a simple improvement.
• the final syllable in Mochica could not be stressed — this is perhaps more minor than the other comments, but I still want to make it. This sentence implies that there was a positive restriction against stressing the final syllable, whereas the source merely states that the possibility of stress falling on the ultima "is not considered an option". Perhaps you meant to write "the final syllable in Mochica could not have been stressed". I would suggest something like "stress is not considered to have fallen on the final syllable in Mochica" or "the final syllable in Mochica is not considered to be a likely location for stress placement".

A general observation looking at this section is that a lot of it is either close paraphrasing or comes very close to it. In this case, it is not a big problem, since it is mostly based on a compatibly licensed source. I haven't included any minor stylistic nitpicks, because I would recommend, in addition to my comments above, generally revising the phonology section closer to the phrasing of Urban 2019, and then stick a {{cc-notice}} template on it. Comments on other sections to come. Kisseran (talk) 23:13, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

I will fix these issues soon. Right now I am busy and cannot make the necessary changes. 🪐Kepler-1229b | talk | contribs🪐 05:14, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

Support from Jon698

Will leave comments soon Jon698 (talk) 05:12, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• 1. "Lake Tauca is a former lake in the Bolivian Altiplano, a high plateau in the central Andes." -> Wikilink Andes

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:43, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• 2. "As the lake dried, it left the salt deposits of Salar de Uyuni." -> Wikilink Salar de Uyuni

  Already linked farther up. The duplink tool was acting up before, but I got this one. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:43, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• 3. "Lake Tauca was one of several ancient lakes that formed on the Altiplano, alongside earlier lake cycles known as Escara, Ouki, Salinas (ancient lake)" -> Pipe the link for Salinas (ancient lake) so that it just appears as "Salinas"

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:43, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• 4. Remove odd spacing after the second paragraph in the Geography section (Done by me)
• 5. Add alt text to all of the images
• 6. "Subsequent research established that Lake Titicaca was not part of Lake Minchin." -> Could this be the start of a new paragraph? The sentences before cover initial research while the ones after cover modern research

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:43, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• 7. "The name honoured John B. Minchin." -> Remove John B. since his full name was already stated earlier

  Recast. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:43, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• 8. "The reliability of the dates was questioned in 1990" -> Do we know who questioned the reliability of this data?

  'fraid this has to wait until Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Preparing for a short-notice security update to our services is resolved. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:35, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

  Seems like it was Seltzer 1990, who writes Servant and Fontes (1978) date it to >27 ka BP but Lavenu et al. (1984) report that it dates from 27 ka to 22 ka BP. Perhaps this discrepancy is based on new radiocarbon dates not available in the literature. Lago Tauca is the last high lake stand in the Pleistocene and is dated to between 12.5 ka and 11 ka BP (Servant and Fontes, 1978). As most of the radiocarbon dates are from calcareous deposits (stromatolites) and molluscan shells, their validity requires rigorous testing. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:55, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

• 9. Can you move File:Volcán Tunupa - Oruro - Bolivia.jpg into the Causes section? At the moment it is at the very bottom of the Scenarios through the research history section and looks awkward.

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:35, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

• 10. "Some Inca towers" -> "Some Incan towers"

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:35, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Apropos, do you have any thoughts on how to organize the "Scenarios through the research history" section? It isn't the ideal set up I feel. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:43, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

I feel like the current setup is the best possible version at the moment — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon698 (talk • contribs)

Jon698 Any other thoughts? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:14, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

• @Jo-Jo Eumerus: I have no other comments. Notify me when you do point #8. Jon698 (talk) 16:44, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

• @Jon698: So done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:55, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

ZKang123

Will check this out.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 00:43, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Description:

• Wikilink Altiplano in first instance

  Added, but I wonder if it duplicates the lead link. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

  My understanding is to wikilink again in the body.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 14:08, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• Andes, the world's longest mountain chain I'm not sure if it's necessary to point out that the Andes is the world's longest mountain chain here.

  Yanked. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• I wonder if Bolivia's Eastern and Western Cordilleras could be wikilinked to Cordillera Oriental (Bolivia) (east) and Cordillera Occidental (Bolivia) (west)

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• Also style preference, but I felt FNs 2 and 3 could be shifted to just at the end of the first two sentences. It's a bit awkward to see the FNs placed mid-clauses unless you use a comma or semi-colon. It's alright if you prefer keeping this style

  I prefer it in this form, makes it easier to tell what is sourced to what. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• They are the principal source of precipitation in the Altiplano,[18] and the reason why it increases to the north For the latter clause might write to: , explaining the higher precipitation to/in the north

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

• Water depths reached 110–120 metres (360–390 ft),[13] (an altitude of about 3,770 metres (12,370 ft) above sea level[37]) making Lake Tauca the largest lake on the Altiplano during the last 100,000[38]-130,000 years.[39] This sentence is a bit difficult to read. Also, does the depth necessarily reflect the size? Kinda suggest a rewrite to: Water depths reached 110–120 metres (360–390 ft) at an altitude of about 3,770 metres (12,370 ft) above sea level. and "Lake Tauca the largest lake on the Altiplano during the last 100,000[38]-130,000 years" should be shifted somewhere. Also, shouldn't an en-dash be used for the date range?

  I have moved this up and recast everything. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:35, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Will continue reviewing this section.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 00:54, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Description (continued):

• The area of Lake Tauca was large enough to influence the climate of the surrounding land, e.g by increasing air humidity[b][75] and precipitation in and around the lake. Use of e.g. here is a bit unencyclopedic. Would just say "For example"...

  Shortened. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:14, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

• Would wikilink Saline water in The lake was deep and saline, and Salinity in with salinity increasing from the Tauca to the Coipasa stages

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:14, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

• Don't have much other comments for this secton. Generally I find this section easy to read despite much technical information, which is one of the hallmarks of FACR. Will continue reviewing other sections.

Research history:

• and that nitrate deposits in the Atacama and Tarapaca formed from water draining from this lake. Shouldn't it be ...nitrate deposits in the Atacama and Tarapaca were formed from water draining?

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:14, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

• Curious but is it known when the name "Tauca" became used to describe the lake?

  I think this paper established that the highest Minchin stand was the same thing as Tauca. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:14, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Predecessor lakes:

• An alternative theory postulates that Lake Minchin was formed by several lakes, including Ouki and Inca Huasi, being conflated due to unreliable radiocarbon dates. This sentence reads a bit awkwardly. I guess conflated refers to the several lakes, but I initially thought it means the theory has been conflated due to unreliable radiocarbon dates

  Rewritten. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:14, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

• The same broad period saw increased moisture in the Brazilian and Bolivian Amazon and the formation of lakes at Laguna Pozuelos, in landslide-dammed valleys of northwestern Argentina, and in Bolivia's Lípez region. Does the increased moisture also applies to northwestern Argentina and the Lipez region?

  Probably yes. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 16:14, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Will continue reviewing.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 01:05, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Chronology:

• including an about 20 metres (66 ft) thick salt layer in the Salar de Uyuni. I wonder if "estimated" instead of "about" would be a better term

  Hrm. Fitting the thickness estimate into the sentence was a bit of a challenge. I am not sure that estimated is better here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

• according to C-14 dating. I wonder if saying "carbon-14 dating" is better

  Spelled it out entirely. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

• A 2013 reconstruction envisaged a lake level rise between 18,000 - 16,500 years BP, followed by a highstand between 16,500 - 15,500 and a decrease in lake levels between 14,500 - 13,500 years BP Shouldn't the dashes be "and"

  I think we are using too many "ands" already; this would invite ambiguity. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

  Hmm, but should it be a hyphen or en-dash in this case?--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 02:27, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

  Put endashes in. The dash-hyphen thing's always been one of my weak subjects. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:08, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

I don't find any issues in the Causes section.

Climate and context:

• rose to 3,815 metres (12,516 ft)[141]-3,825 metres (12,549 ft) altitude Here reads a bit awkwardly. I know it's to a range postulated by some researchers being cited here.

  I must confess I can't think of a much better wording here. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

  I thought of suggesting "rose to an altitude range between 3,815 metres (12,516 ft)[141] and 3,825 metres (12,549 ft)". Or "rose to an altitude of 3,815 metres (12,516 ft)[141] or 3,825 metres (12,549 ft)". (Epicgenius do cite different numbers from different sources with "or" for some of his FACs).--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 02:27, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

  I have put that in. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:08, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

• The Lake Tauca highstands left terraces at the southern and eastern shores of Lake Titicaca[x][273][274] and, together with older stages of higher water levels, formed the pampas around Titicaca. Might suggest rewriting to: The Lake Tauca highstands and earlier periods of elevated water levels formed the pampas surrounding Lake Titicaca, leaving terraces along its southern and eastern shores.

  I think this rewording implies a connection between the terraces and pampas that isn't estalished in the sources. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

  Huh, but combining the sentences as such does imply a connection imo. Would suggest splitting in that case.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 02:27, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

  That's because they both discuss the aftereffects of the Tauca highstand on the Titicaca landscape. I tend to tie sentences together in this case. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:08, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

• This was not the first time Lake Titicaca rose; Pliocene to Pleistocene lake cycles are known as Mataro, Cabana, Ballivian and Minchin, their exact chronology is unknown This also reads rather awkwardly, being a run-on.

  Did a fig leaf here, as nothing better came to mind. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

  It does read better now. Cos my impression of this sentence felt like sentence fragments cobbled together.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 02:27, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

• In Salar Aguas Calientes high-water levels lasted until 8,430 ± 75 BP. Might slight rewrite to: High-water levels in Salar Aguas Calientes lasted until 8,430 ± 75 BP.

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

• Evidence of higher lake levels during the Tauca period extends from Laguna Mar Chiquita[222] in the south to Lake Junin in the north.[287] FN 222 is a bit weirdly placed in my opinion.

  That's because one source backs Mar Chiquita and the other Lake Junin. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

  Personally would prefer placing FN222 like the following: Evidence of higher lake levels during the Tauca period extends from Laguna Mar Chiquita in the south[222] to Lake Junin in the north.[287] so it doesn't split awkwardly. Does FN287 still mention Laguna Mar Chiquita? Cos otherwise it seems you are using FN287 to cite its location.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 02:27, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:08, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

• Palaeoindian settlement in South America commenced during the Lake Tauca and Ticaña stages,[299] the Viscachani culture around Lake Titicaca was contemporaneous with Lake Tauca. Suggest splitting this into two sentences. This looks like two sentences joined in one

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

• The more favourable environment during the CAPE,[281] as oases[209] and palaeolakes formed, provided the environment for first settlers. Think might rewrite to: The formation of oases[209] and palaeolakes during the CAPE created more favourable conditions for the earliest settlers.

  Done. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

• these deposits include salt layers up to 6 metres (20 ft)[142]-10 metres (33 ft) thick Might rewrite: ...include salt layers ranging from 6 metres (20 ft)[142] to 10 metres (33 ft) thick

  Think I got this. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

  Might prefer using "or" as suggested in a previous comment.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 02:27, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

  Eh, in these cases I think treating it as a range is better. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:08, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

• The drying of the ancient lakes would have fragmented amphibious habitats, generating separate populations,[317] a similar process affected plants and animals during the lakes' existence First I note the SEAOFBLUE for amphibious habitats. Also I think the latter clause is missing "which". I.e. ... a similar process which affected plants and animals during the lakes' existence. Though that said, why the mention of animals again, because aren't amphibian animals also... animals?

  Recast this; the lake drying effect is specific for waterborne animals while the lake splitting effect is presumably for non-waterborne animals. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:00, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

  Would say "other animals" to further minimise confession, but if it's not stated in sources, would leave as such.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 02:27, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

  It does mention rodents as examples, but from the text it's not clear that it's meant to be only about rodents. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:08, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

That's all for what I have.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 04:46, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

Dylan620

Hey, I'm sorry I didn't get back to you last night, I went out with some friends shortly after I left my review at the PR. I do think this article is very close to being ready, at least where prose is concerned. My only slight reservation is the size of §Background, which seems to cover a lot more than just the background and go into detail on the history of the statue. Maybe split off a §Commissioning section? I checked over a few statue FAs – namely The Motherland Calls, Great Western Railway War Memorial, and Arch of Remembrance – and they all have separate sections for the commissioning of the article subject. Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 11:46, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Changed the last paragraph in Background to a Commissioning section.

Does that look good? Froglord (Finnfrog99) (talk) 11:55, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

It looks good to me! I am happy to support, though I do think input from editors more familiar with the topic of architecture would be beneficial. Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 12:26, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! Froglord (Finnfrog99) (talk) 12:32, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Source review from Travis Mulch

Trading source reviews with Finnfrog99 for Toby Fox. This table lists all 64 passages in the article (containing 79 inline citations from 60 unique sources). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script. travis mulch 17:14, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

After this is done, I will convert harvnb references to subreferencing Froglord (Finnfrog99) (talk) 17:44, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Fixed the ruper/robert contradiction with the irish times source Froglord (Finnfrog99) (talk) 19:50, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Added this source for the flats' first tenants
"Ballymun house is 'gorgeous'". Evening Herald. 4 August 1966. p. 3. Retrieved 23 April 2026 – via Newspapers.com. Froglord (Finnfrog99) (talk) 20:23, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Link to Cable television in Ireland added Froglord (Finnfrog99) (talk) 20:24, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Reference #	Letter	Source	Archive	Status	Notes
Misneach .mw-parser-output .IPA-label-small{font-size:85%}.mw-parser-output .references .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .infobox .IPA-label-small,.mw-parser-output .navbox .IPA-label-small{font-size:100%}Irish pronunciation: [mɪʃnˠɔx] (English: Courage),
1	a	Murphy 2022, p. 195 "Byrne's sculpture would subvert all aspects of the traditional equestrian monu…			Not manually book-verified.
also known as Girl on Horse,
2		Prior 2009, p. 6 "John Byrne's 'Girl on Horse'"			Not manually book-verified.
Field Marshal Hugh Gough, 1st Viscount Gough, KP, GCB, GCSI, PC was born in 1779.
3		jstor.org
He took part in the British invasion of the Cape Colony in September 1795 during the French Revolutionary Wars, and was deployed with the 1st Battalion of the 87th to the West Indies, taking part in the expedition to Dutch Guiana in 1799.
4	a	Heathcote 1999, p. 148			Book-verified.
Gough commanded the 2nd Battalion of his regiment at the Battle of Talavera in July 1809,
4	b	Heathcote 1999, p. 148			Book-verified.
fought at the Battle of Barrosa, took part in the Siege of Tarifa in January 1812, the Battle of Vitoria in June 1813 and the Battle of Nivelle.
4	c	Heathcote 1999, p. 148			Book-verified.
He led the assault at the Battle of Canton in May 1841, and having been promoted to the local rank of lieutenant general in India and in China on 18 June 1841,
5		thegazette.co.uk			Page-verified.
he also led the assault at the Battle of Amoy in August 1841.
4	d	Heathcote 1999, p. 148			Book-verified.
He commanded the British forces at the Battle of Chapu in May 1842 and at the Battle of Chinkiang in July 1842.
6	a	Heathcote 1999, p. 149			Book-verified.
After the Treaty of Nanking, the British forces were withdrawn and he returned to India.
6	b	Heathcote 1999, p. 149			Book-verified.
He was promoted to the local rank of full general in India on 3 March 1843.
7		thegazette.co.uk			Page-verified.
In August 1843 Gough became Commander-in-Chief, India, and in December 1843 he led the British forces in action against the Mahrattas defeating them decisively at the conclusion of the Gwalior campaign.
6	c	Heathcote 1999, p. 149			Book-verified.
He also commanded the troops at the Battle of Mudki in December 1845, at the Battle of Ferozeshah also in December 1845 and at the Battle of Sobraon in February 1846 during the First Anglo-Sikh War.
6	d	Heathcote 1999, p. 149			Book-verified.
The Second Anglo-Sikh War started in 1848, and Gough took to the field commanding in person at the Battle of Ramnagar in November 1848 and at the Battle of Chillianwala in January 1849.
6	e	Heathcote 1999, p. 149			Book-verified.
He was criticised for relying on frontal assault by infantry rather than using artillery. He was replaced as commander-in-chief by Sir Charles Napier but, before news of his replacement had arrived, Gough achieved a decisive victory over the Sikhs in the Battle of Gujarat in February 1849.
6	f	Heathcote 1999, p. 149			Book-verified.
He advanced in the peerage as Viscount Gough of Goojerat in the Punjab and of the City of Limerick on 4 June 1849.
8		thegazette.co.uk			Page-verified.
He retired from active service later that year.
9		thegazette.co.uk			Page-verified.
He died at St. Helen's, his home in Booterstown, on 2 March 1869 and was buried in Stillorgan.
10		doi.org			Book-verified.
John Henry Foley was commissioned to make a statue of Gough around 1868,
11		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
but died before its completion, leaving his pupil Thomas Brock to finish it.
12		newspapers.com			Clip-verified; is mentioning the others not relevant?
The statue was previously located in Phoenix Park in Dublin, but after several attacks to the statue
13		archiseek.com	web.archive.org		Site-verified; anything more descriptive than "attacks"?
and an explosion from the Irish Republican Army (IRA),
14	a	Marshall 2022, p. 94 "Working with local young people, [John] Byrne recast the horse from the Gough…			Not manually book-verified.
it was moved to the Royal Hospital Kilmainham.
15		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
It was later purchased by Rupert Guinness, 2nd Earl of Iveagh
16		newspapers.com			Nope. Wrong guy. "Robert"; confirmed by The Irish Times. I believe he's the guy in the yellow jacket if you search "robert guinness straffan" on Google? Fixed.
and moved to its current location in Chillingham Castle in Northumberland,
17		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
18	a	newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
where it was restored.
19		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
In the 1960s, the Irish Government needed new housing to replace Georgian tenements in Dublin that were collapsing.
20		youtube.com			Video-verified; is specifying "Georgian" here allowable? Not familiar with Irish history.
21		dublincity.ie	web.archive.org		Site-verified.
They decided to construct a prefabricated housing estate in the village of Ballymun in the city's outskirts, on land bought by the Dublin Corporation (later Dublin City Council (DCC)) from the Albert Agricultural College.
22		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
23		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
The housing estate contained a group of high rise tower blocks called the Ballymun Flats. Construction started in 1965
24		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
and was undertaken by a consortium of John Sisk and Son and Hadens-Cubitts, using the Balency et Schuul system for flats and the Lowton Cubitt system for houses.
25		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
26		Montague 2008, p. 52 "Two separate construction systems would be used for the buildings of the flat…			Not manually book-verified; I don't know construction terminology well enough to critique the phrasing.
The first tenants were relocated in 1966.
27		newspapers.com			Is this good enough to state it happened in 1966? You could either add another source stating it was explicitly 1966, or just say it was reported that year. Fixed.
The flats were the first council houses with access to foreign piped television.
28		newspapers.com			Clip-verified; can "piped television" be linked to Cable television in Ireland for context?
The housing project was completed in 1968,
29		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
30		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
with additional flats being built in 1969.
31		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
Residents grew unhappy with the flats. Promises to build a swimming pool and playground went unfulfilled. The block only had one shopping centre, forcing tenants to buy necessities at shops ran out of containers.
32		Power 1997, p. 242 "In 1966, when the first tenants moved in [..], the estate was pristine, with it…			Book-verified.
33		McDonald 2000, p. 251 "In terms of facilities, this town, the size of Clonmel , had just one superm…			Book-verified.
Many residents dealt and used drugs at the flats.
34		McDonald 2000, p. 251 "The only way out for too many young people in Ballymun was via drugs. At lea…			Book-verified.
People who lived in the housing estate faced prejudice and discrimination, and some employers refused to hire people that lived in council homes.
35		rte.ie	web.archive.org		Video-verified.
Historically, Ballymun has strong links to equestrianism and horses. Beginning in the 1980s, a subculture of "urban cowboys" were a popular hobby among Ballymun youth. The Control of Horses Act, passed in 1996, brought the subculture to near extinction. After the act was passed, locals often described themselves as having to choose between keeping the horses or selling them for drugs.
36		O'Malley 2019, p. 175 "The local children's pastime and passion for horse trading and riding emerge…			p# shows up as 157, do you have a different edition?
In 1997, DCC set up the limited company Ballymun Regeneration Limited (BRL) to conduct a regeneration of the area.
37		magill.ie			Article-verified.
As part of the regeneration, BRL commissioned the percent for art scheme Breaking Ground in 2001, launching it in February 2002.
38		Prior 2009, p. 23 "In 2001, [BRL] commissioned a per cent for art scheme for Ballymun [..] 'Breakin…			Record-verified.
Misneach was commissioned as part of the scheme in 2006.
39		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
40	a	newspapers.com			Is this one necessary here?
41		Pramaggiore 2015, p. 215 "The equestrian statue Misneach, commissioned as part of the Ballymun Rege…			Not manually book-verified.
It was unveiled in front of Trinity Comprehensive School on 17 September 2010.
40	b	newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
The sculpture was originally intended to be placed at the proposed town centre on the former Ballymun Shopping Centre site, however due to plans for a proposed Ballymun MetroLink station, the sculpture was relocated.
42		newspapers.com			Clip-verified, except for the shopping centre mention.
It is the first contemporary equestrian statue in Ireland,
43		Marshall & Murray 2014, p. 375 "John Byrne unveiled the first equestrian statue in Ireland in moder…			Not manually book-verified.
and is the last surviving equestrian statue in Dublin, with the city having four equestrian statues in its past
44		Murphy 2022, p. 195 "Recognising that there were no longer any equestrian monuments in Dublin – the…			Not manually book-verified.
—the Gough Monument (blown up in 1957),
14	b	Marshall 2022, p. 94 "Working with local young people, [John] Byrne recast the horse from the Gough…			Not manually book-verified.
the Equestrian statue of George I (sold to the Barber Institute of Fine Arts in 1937),
45		birmingham.ac.uk	web.archive.org		Document-verified.
the Statue of George II (blown up in 1937),
46		archiseek.com			Website-verified.
and the Statue of William of Orange (blown up 1928).
47		dublincity.ie	web.archive.org		Website-verified.
The decision to display the work in front of Trinity Comprehensive may have been influenced by Philip Napier, who opted to display his work in locations that were meaningful, rather than displaying them in galleries which are viewed as more pristine.
48		Murphy 2025, p. 10 "Not only was Napier making use of found objects and sound to create his install…			Not manually book-verified.
The statue depicts a 17-year-old Ballymun local, Toni Marie Shields, wearing an Adidas tracksuit on a military-style horse atop a marble podium.
49	a	O'Malley 2019, p. 375 "In another part of Dublin today, there is a larger- than- life bronze sculpt…			See 36.
In September 2006, 20 Ballymun locals interested in the sculpture were brought to the Kill Equestrian Centre in Kildare to audition for it. Shields was chosen in 2007, on the grounds of posture and horsemanship, with the sculpture being based off a photograph of her riding a horse there.
50	a	newspapers.com	web.archive.org		Clip-verified.
51		Prior 2009, p. 6 "In September 2006, 20 girls from Ballymun were brought to [the KIll Equestrian Ce…			Not manually book-verified.
The bronze statue was structured from a wax mould of the Gough Monument, with Hugh Gough, 1st Viscount Gough, replaced with Shields,
50	b	newspapers.com	web.archive.org		Clip-verified.
18	b	newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
who underwent laser scanning in London to make a computer-generated wax mould for the sculpture.
40	c	newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
The decision to depict her riding bareback was intended to represent Ballymun's equestrian traditions, with a female rather than a male rider chosen to represent the area's youth culture.
52		Murphy 2022, p. 195 "Shown riding bareback, once a tradition among young people in Ballymun, she is…			Not manually book-verified.
1	b	Murphy 2022, p. 195 "Byrne's sculpture would subvert all aspects of the traditional equestrian monu…			Not manually book-verified.
49	b	O'Malley 2019, p. 375 "In another part of Dublin today, there is a larger- than- life bronze sculpt…			See 36.
It was completed in England and shipped back to Ireland.
53		O'Malley 2019, p. 375 "Not without some irony, Byrne's Misneach was completed in England and return…			See 36.
According to Breaking Ground and John Byrne, the sculpture subverts the expectation typically associated with military imagery, replacing the controversial Gough with an ordinary person to convey a message of "motivation, youth and womanhood". The decision to have the rider be a local teenager wearing a tracksuit was intended to represent and celebrate Irish youth and culture. Speaking for the Irish Independent, Shields said she felt that "the statue was not of her, rather it was for all the young people of the area."
40	d	newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
54		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
55		newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
Some locals, including a Labour Party politician, consider the sculpture to be perpetuating a stereotype and an "unfair and subversive image of the people of Ballymun".
56		Murphy 2022, p. 195 "This dignified piece of public sculpture, of and for the people, was thought b…			Not manually book-verified.
Irish playwright Dermot Bolger, writing for the Irish Daily Mail, said what made Misneach wonderful is its "sense of democracy and equality" in a time where there "might seem to be little to celebrate in Ireland".
57		john-byrne.ie	web.archive.org		Website-verified, but is there no better source?
Donal Fallon of the Irish Independent described the sculpture's depiction of an ordinary person in place of Gough as "reclaiming it for the people".
18	c	newspapers.com			Clip-verified.
In her book Tell Everyone on This Train I Love Them, American portrait painter Maeve Higgins compared the statue to another equestrian statue depicting a teenager as the rider in Richmond, Virginia, by Kehinde Wiley titled Rumors of War.
58		irishexaminer.com			Article-verified.
In the book Irish Art 1920–2020: Perspectives on Change, Paula Murphy wrote that the sculpture subverts "all aspects of the traditional equestrian monument" except the horse and the bronze casting, with the reuse of the Foley/Gough horse serving to "return an element of the sculpture to Ireland".
1	c	Murphy 2022, p. 195 "Byrne's sculpture would subvert all aspects of the traditional equestrian monu…			Not manually book-verified.
Murphy also noted that the sculpture's move to Trinity Comprehensive School echoed the removal of the statue of Queen Victoria from Leinster House in 1948, when "carparking requirements rather than politics was offered as the scapegoat".
1	d	Murphy 2022, p. 195 "Byrne's sculpture would subvert all aspects of the traditional equestrian monu…			Not manually book-verified.
The book Art and Architecture of Ireland Volume III: Sculpture 1600–1900 considers the statue to be "participating in a long artistic tradition of modernizing earlier work", with the work having a "symbolic focus" for a specific part of Dublin, although not representing the entire city. The book also considers Byrne's decision to cast a local girl to be replacing Gough with a "new group that was young and without power".
59		Murphy 2025, p. 10 "John Byrne's Misneach (bronze, 2007–10) . Misneach – depicting a young girl rid…			Not manually book-verified.
60		Murphy 2025, p. 505 "When John Byrne, a conceptual artist, put a cast of a girl from Ballymun, Dubl…			Not manually book-verified.

@Finnfrog99 Completed the source review. I only have minor formatting/wording complaints left, those can easily be addressed. Some other things that I suggest: standardizing citation case to title or sentence case, fixing harv errors (Kirkpatrick-Faragó, Marshall-Scott, Brent Ryan-Schneider-Mayerson, Aibhlín). But these are all minor and easily fixable. Support! travis mulch 22:12, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Icepinner

I'm concerned about the length of the background section. It's very long, and I don't think it would satisfy criterion 4 ("It stays focused on the main topic without going into unnecessary detail and uses summary style where appropriate" – note my emphasis with the underline). The two main issues:

• We have a lengthy exposition as to who Hugh Gough was and his military career. But is this all relevant for the reader's understanding of Misneach, a sculpture that is a pastiche of the Gough Monument, which is, in turn, based on Gough?
• "Construction started in 1965 and was undertaken by a consortium of John Sisk and Son and Hadens-Cubitts, using the Balency et Schuul system for flats and the Lowton Cubitt system for houses. The first tenants were relocated in 1966. The flats were the first council houses with access to foreign piped television" the underlined parts are what I view to be irrelevant. How would the type of concrete panel system used in a public housing project be relevant to the reader's understanding of a sculpture? Same with the foreign piped TV thing.

Conversely, there are some details in the article that leave a lot to be desired for comprehensiveness and context. For example:

• "the sculpture subverts the expectation typically associated with military imagery, replacing the controversial Gough with an ordinary person" what makes Gough "controversial"? I'm not familiar with Irish history, and I doubt a good chunk of readers aren't. This would have to be explained in the background section.
• Why did they choose to model it after the Gough Monument? My guess is that the Gough Monument depicts an Irish subject. Or maybe it has something to do with the controversial nature of Gough or the Gough Monument?
• The article mentions Ballymun's historical association with horses and equestrian culture, but doesn't actually go into depth on it beyond the 80s cowboy subculture. Considering that Misneach was created as part of the plans for Ballymun's regeneration, should this not be mentioned?
• "Some locals, including a Labour Party politician, consider the sculpture to be perpetuating a stereotype" what is the stereotype? I am presuming that it involves Ballymun being a "bad part" of Dublin. And why did they think that the sculpture was perpetuating a stereotype? Was it due to the subject in Misneach wearing the Adidas jacket?

I have also identified some prose issues:

• "Beginning in the 1980s, a subculture of "urban cowboys" were a popular hobby among Ballymun youth"
• "The block only had one shopping centre, forcing tenants to buy necessities at shops ran out of containers." what does this mean? Are tenants forced to buy necessities at shops when they run out of containers?
• "The decision to display the work in front of Trinity Comprehensive may have been influenced by Philip Napier, who opted to display his work in locations that were meaningful, rather than displaying them in galleries which are viewed as more pristine" it's not explicitly stated who Philip Napier is, so readers will have to infer that Napier is an artist.

I'm personally leaning toward opposing this nomination, but other people's mileage may vary. I wouldn't be discouraged, though – the article does seem to have the skeleton of an FA (like citing HQRS), so mainly the prose needs fleshing out, I think. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 15:58, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

I have cut the Background section down, do you think it still needs more cutting?

To explain how gough is controversial, I added; History Ireland says that Gough is considered an controversial figure for fighting on the side of the colonists in the Opium War and the Sikh Wars.

"Why did they choose to model it after the Gough Monument?" This fact is explained in the article, second paragraph in Design and symbolism

The "80s cowboy subculture" is the historical association with horses.

"what is the stereotype? I am presuming that it involves Ballymun being a "bad part" of Dublin. And why did they think that the sculpture was perpetuating a stereotype? Was it due to the subject in Misneach wearing the Adidas jacket?" We should not speculate on what they meant by that. They did not clarify their exact intended meaning, so the article only gives the explanation they did

Changed "were a popular hobby" to "became a popular hobby"

It means that they turned containers into shops, they ran shops inside the containers. Changed to " shops that operated out of containers"

I would go back and check how that book described Napier, but a few days after this FAC started, TWL went down when toolforge did. Thank god I added those quotes. regardless, I think that saying "[he] opted to display his work in locations that were meaningful, rather than displaying them in galleries" makes it obvious enough he is an artist without need of additional clarification Froglord (Finnfrog99) (talk) 17:16, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for your responses. Regarding your replies:

It looks better now. I still wonder if the level of detail surrounding Gough's military career before India and China, particularly the Peninsular War period, is relevant given that the bulk of Gough's controversy concerns his career in China and India. We could probably simplify it to "Between 1809 and 1813, Gough also fought in the Peninsular War". But feel free to disagree.

Seems good... you have mentioned off-wiki to me that History Island may be considered a HQRS as it has a pretty strong editorial board (and may be considered a journal, despite its website and Wikipedia page calling it a "magazine").

I forgot that Breaking Ground was the name of the programme... I thought it was the name of a random art website (and therefore thought that the second paragraph was an interpretation of the sculpture). But fair enough. Serves me right :-)

Ah, that makes sense. Whenever I think of "historical" regarding Ireland, I usually think of anything up until the 1800s, or maybe up to WWII. I was under the impression that Ballymun's historical association with horses would be like a stable that was used during medieval times, or a 19th-century cavalry training ground. Certainly not an 80s subculture of cowboys! But thanks for the clarification.

Fair enough

OK

I see.

OK. I'm not too fussy about this.

@Finnfrog99: I'm no longer inclined to oppose this nomination. I might give it a deep read-through once my concerns have been addressed. Apologies for the mix-ups. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 14:54, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Support by Nick-D

It's good to see this article here. I'd like to offer the following comments:

• "Saidor, Papua New Guinea" - PNG didn't exist at the time. PNG also appears in the infobox.

  Changed to "Territory of New Guinea". Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• The first para of the lead is a bit confusing, and would benefit from being restructured to provide a clear statement of the goal of the operation

  Restructured to make it clearer. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• "The Battle of Finschhafen prevented the early occupation of Saidor. The Japanese wrested back the initiative and threatened to derail MacArthur's strategy" - this could also be clarified so people who aren't familiar with this sequence of battles can more readily understand it.

  Tried to rework this. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• "as it was at Goodenough Island but no longer required for the New Britain campaign" - what was the division's role in that campaign? (a reserve I presume)

  The 32nd Infantry Division was intended for the attack on Gasmata, but this was cancelled. It had then become the Alamo Force reserve for the Battle of Cape Gloucester and Battle of Arawe, but was not committed. Added this. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• Can more be said about the Japanese forces and their plans in the background or preparations sections? What's there at present is a bit fragmentary, and combining it would assist readers.

  Re-worked this a bit. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• What combat troops were involved in the initial landing?

  The 126th Infantry. I thought this was clear, but emphasised. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• Link David Dexter

  Oh. I only created that article in 2022. I went through and added links to the references but did not look in the body. We never got all the official historians done. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• The term 'native' for people is generally discouraged these days - 'New Guinean' or 'local' would be good alternatives

  Re-worded. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• Can anything more be said about the civilians' experiences? Sources on this tend to be limited, but sometimes there's a journal article or PhD on the area with useful material.

  All I have is Powell, but I will take another look. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

• "Krueger reported " - this appears to be from his memoirs rather than a contemporary report, so I'd suggest tweaking the wording here.

  Tweaked. It probably is in the report. I'll have to check. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:24, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Nick-D (talk) 06:47, 18 October 2026 (UTC) Support My comments are now addressed: nice work on this article. Nick-D (talk) 22:12, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Stikkyy

• The infobox, for the Americans, states: 40 killed, 11 wounded, 16 missing – This is a very bad KIA-to-WIA ratio, even accounting for the difficulties of obtaining medical care. Is this right?

  No, it is an error. It should have been 111 wounded. Corrected. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:35, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• In the lead there really isn't any context behind the third paragraph, which opens with After considerable construction effort in the face of wet weather, the airbase was completed and proved useful. – The airbase gets introduced here!

  Introduced the airbase in the first paragraph. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:35, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• For the lead I would add some more information about the Allied OOB and the landing itself, note that it was very lightly opposed.

  Added a bit about the opposition. Let me know if you want more. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:35, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• The strength numbers in the infobox (13,000 & 6,000) appears to be uncited, ditto for in the lead.

  Added some more information and revised the numbers. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:35, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• explicit instruction to fight the Japanese – Well, they had to conduct a possibly opposed landing right? Maybe reword it to be more specific, like were they not given instructions to pursue or try to cut the Japanese retreat?

  Changed as suggested. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:35, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

• However, on 21 January Martin received a letter stating that the mission of the Michaelmas Task Force remained unchanged and a radiogram was received on 22 January to the effect that this was not consistent with Krueger's wishes. On 8 February, Martin received a garbled radiogram from Krueger that indicated that the earlier restrictive message of 22 January had itself been garbled, and on 9 February a radiogram was received authorising offensive action. – What was in the 22 January radiogram that was inconsistent with Krueger's wishes? And north of a dozen days to make a "correction" seems strange to me.

  Clarified. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 01:35, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

Stikkyy (talk) 00:12, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

Support Stikkyy (talk) 20:53, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Noleander

• Awhile ago I read about the Australian actions on this island, so here is a chance to learn more.

• Prose: overall, professional and engaging. A few minor notes below.

• Style: overall, meets all MOS and FAC requirements. Sources & citations are uniformly formatted (see note below on linking to sources).

• Accurate estimate? "The intelligence staff at GHQ in Brisbane believed that there were no more than 4,500 Japanese forward of Sio, and only 1,500 more between there and the Madang area." The way that is worded, it makes the reader wonder if the estimate was way off. If it was off, does the reader have to read thru the article to find the actual numbers? Consider adding a parenthetical note or efn footnote stating what the actual numbers are.

  Added a footnote. Inaccurate assessments of Japanese strength (due to over-reliance on Ultra) were a running saga in SWPA. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:28, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

• Clarify: "On 20 January, a visiting staff officer from Alamo Force was asked to raise the possibility with Krueger." Not sure what the significance of this anonymous person is. Can the sentence be deleted or elaborated?

  The US Army operated on a strict doctrine of command that meant that Martin could not decide what he could do on his own authority. Kruger's problem was that communications were poor, and if a task force got into trouble, while he had plenty of reserves, he could not move them quickly. The source says the staff officer was the "ALAMO assistant G-3", i.e. the staff officer responsible for operations, who I can tell you was Colonel Clyde D. Eddleman. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:28, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

• Clarify/define: "A 100 ft (30 m) lighter wharf was begun on 19 January and completed on 5 March." I have no idea what a "lighter wharf" is. There is no WP article, and not even a Wiktionary entry. Google says it is a wharf intended for use by barges ... I suppose it is small and low? Anyway, consider either (a) defining parenthetically; or (b) linking to wharf; or (c) dropping the word "lighter".

  Your problem is that you don't know what a lighter is. Added a link. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:28, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

• Enclclopedic wording? "Sadly for the men of the 32nd Infantry Division, many of these Japanese would later..." Some may say that phrasing is not as dispassionate as it should be. Borderline case ... your call.

  Re-phrased. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:28, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

• Not an FA requriement, but using {{sfn}} template instead of bare "ref". {{sfn}} lets readers click on a citation and jump directly to the source details. Maybe for future articles you could look into that. Instead of using:

    <ref>Morton, ''Strategy and Command: The First Two Years'', p. 552</ref>

• simply use this instead:

    {{sfn|Morton|1962|p=552}}

• but, of course, you know all that.

  I use the sfn template all the time now, but this article was written in 2008, a year before the sfn template was developed. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:28, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

• ... in progress ... Noleander (talk) 23:05, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Image review

• All 8 images are free-to-use and include details & rationale. Seven are US government created public domain; one is Australian government.

• Images are all relevant and informative.

• No alt text in the images, but I believe the FA community views that as optional ... the one criteria in GA that is stricter than FA.

• Map File:Principal operations 1943.jpg is perhaps the most important image in the article, essentially an overview of everything discussed. Some readers may have a difficult time spotting where Saidor is. Consider adding an indicator highlighting Saidor to help them. I can create a 2nd version of the map with an indicator, if you want.

• Pass image review. Let me know if you want me to create a 2nd version of that map mentioned above. Noleander (talk) 23:26, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

MSincccc

• @ChrisTheDude: Looking forward to another of your football treats at FAC. Comments to follow. MSincccc (talk) 05:48, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Background

• Five other clubs were persuaded to enter, including Maidenhead, a club which was not at the time affiliated to the Association but agreed to take part nonetheless.
  • How about Five other clubs were persuaded to enter, including Maidenhead, which was not then affiliated to the Association.
• "Around fifty clubs were eligible to enter, but only twelve chose to do so" → "Around fifty clubs were eligible to enter, but only twelve did so"
• "Matches in the early part of the competition were officiated by two umpires, one provided by each team" → "Early matches were officiated by two umpires, one provided by each team"

Apologies for the delay. Comments to follow. MSincccc (talk) 12:55, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

First round

• "Although there were seven matches scheduled in the first round, only four took place" → "Although seven matches were scheduled for the first round, only four took place"
• With fifteen entrants, seven matches were scheduled and Hampstead Heathens were awarded a bye to the second round.
  • How about With fifteen entrants, seven matches were scheduled, and Hampstead Heathens received a bye to the second round.

MSincccc (talk) 13:21, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

@MSincccc: - done (slightly differently in the case of the last one under background but hopefully it works -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:40, 29 October 2026 (UTC)

Second round

• "due to a rule that provincial teams should be drawn against each other..." → "under a rule requiring provincial teams to be drawn against each other..."

• "making the team one of a small number to have entered the FA Cup at least once but never played an actual match." → "making it one of a small number of teams to have entered the FA Cup but never played a match."

• "The Heathens again only managed to field ten players but the match was even in the first half." → "The Heathens again managed to field only ten players, but the match was even in the first half."

Semi-finals

• "all matches from the semi-finals onwards were to be played in London; both took place at Kennington Oval." → "all matches from the semi-finals onwards were to be played in London, and both semi-finals took place at Kennington Oval."
• "After 45 minutes the teams changed ends as there had been no goals scored." → "After 45 minutes, the teams changed ends as no goals had been scored."

Final

• Could we link to "melee"?

• "and only the skill of Merriman was able to prevent his opponents from increasing their lead" → "Wanderers continued to exert pressure, but only Merriman's skill prevented them from increasing their lead"

Lead

• The 1871–72 Football Association Challenge Cup was the first staging of the Football Association Challenge Cup
  • I appreciate the variety in your writing tone as a football fan, but could we simplify "staging" for the general readers?

• Queen's Park, the only entrant from Scotland, reached the semi-finals without actually playing a game
  • Drop "actually" here?

Bottom line

• @ChrisTheDude: That's all from me then. I look forward to your response. Best, MSincccc (talk) 14:05, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

750h

Reviewing!

lead

• the secretary of the Football Association (the FA) if "the" is part of the title then i think it should be linked with "Football Association"
• as no universally agreed rules for the sport existed ==> "as no universally agreed rules existed" (previous part of the sentence works)
• won the final on 16 March 1872, at Kennington Oval in London comma redundant per MOS:DATE

background

• for enforcing the Laws of the Game during a match and the comma before "and"

first round

• A notice was published in The Sportsman indicating that ==> "A notice published in The Sportsman indicated that"
• only four actually took place, all of them played on 11 November. "actually" is redundant. I'd maybe change the comma to a semi-colon, I think it'd work better?

second round

• making the team one of a small number to have entered the FA Cup at least ==> "making the team one of few to have entered the FA Cup at least" (conciseness)
• although a tenth arrived midway through the game "through the game" isn't needed since it can be implied by the previous part

semi finals

• After ninety minutes, the score i'd remove the comma for consistency with the rest of the article

finals

• won the coin toss and "coin toss" is linked here but not above

aftermath

• no problems here

@ChrisTheDude: thanks for this article! Also my candidacy for Dreamlover would appreciate a review as it's been open for a month, no obligation though! Ping me when everything's addressed! 750h+ 13:30, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

@750h+: - many thanks for your review. All done with the exception of the second one under second round. Maybe it's an ENGVAR thing, but in the UK we wouldn't say "a tenth arrived midway". We would conceivably drop "the game" and say "a tenth arrived midway through", but we wouldn't use just "midway" on its own in that sentence -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:37, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

I'll do my best to take a look at your FAC tomorrow...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 18:37, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Ah, that makes sense. Happy to support! 750h+ 16:03, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Vacant0

Because you helped me obtain more sources for Nadela, I shall in return review this FAC. Expect comments next week. Cheers, Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 18:54, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

• Is there a reason why Ref 5 ("Sammamish River Trail". King County. Retrieved June 11, 2026.) is an inline reference and not {{sfn}}?
  • Fixed.-G
• A lot of illustration—greatly appreciated!
• I've already reviewed one of your water bodies GANs where you explained the sourcing behind these articles so I don't see an issue with that.
• I'm not an expert on streams, so I'm not familiar with some of these terms. I think this also applies to most readers, so I'll call them jargons:
  • "riparian habitat"
  • Clarified.-G
  • "The Sammamish River has a low elevation and a gentle gradient" what is gradient supposed to mean here?
    • Steepness, rephrased.-G
  • "benthic"
    • Fixed.-G
• Do you intend on writing articles for the North Creek and Little Bear Creek?
  • Eventually.-G
• You seem to use commas for years, but sometimes not. Such as in the lede (e.g. "15,000 years ago" then "2400 to 8000" years old). Let's make it consistent. If I spot more I'll list it here, if not I suggest you to take another look.
  • This appears to also occur in "Human history", 2400 years before present to over 8000.
    • Fixed.-G
• How is ƛ̕ax̌ʷadis pronounced?
  • Neither ƛ̕ and x̌ʷ are in English, so it'd be hard to give an approximation... the ipa would be t͜ɬʼɑχʷadis which isn't much more helpful (but I can give it if needed)-G

That's it from me. The article seems to be well-written, except for a few minor errors that I found during this review. Looking forward to your response. Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 14:52, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

• @Vacant0: Responded! Thank you. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 15:41, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

  Support on prose. Good luck! Vacant0 (talk • contribs) 16:07, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

Image review

• Don't use fixed px size
  • Removed the fixed px. Generalissima (talk) (it/she)
• File:OncorhynchusTschawytscha2.jpg: source link is dead
  • Replaced with a better image. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 12:23, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Not-cheesewhisk3rs

Will take a look when I have the spare time. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 18:45, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Lead

• You say "fish such as" in the lead. Given that the article mentions a the river "is used by a greater variety of fish species than many other streams in western Washington", I think it would be better as "a large/wide variety of fish such as" followed by 2 or 3 examples instead of 1.
• "located near the river's mouth," suggest link river mouth in "mouth"

Course

• "The length of the river can vary depending on how its start and end points are calculated" if there is an agreed maximum/minimum length, you should mention it in the same footnote. if there is no known maximum/minimum, and a source says so, you should mention it there. either way, don't leave the reader wondering what these lengths are. if it's not possible, don't make a change.
• "and then, about 1 mile" Most likely you are trying to avoid choppiness, but "and then" feels informal and redundant. I'd keep "then", although "and" also works, but either way one of the two has to go.
• "in downtown Bothell" Above you introduced (and linked) Bothell next to a mention of a trail and a park. This led me to assume that Bothell is some wildlife/trail area. Evidently that's not the case, so in the spirit of MOS:NOFORCELINK I suggest something like "and the city of Bothell" when you first mention it.

Hydrology

• "The Sammamish receives most of its streamflow from surface water such as these tributaries,[12] although some groundwater drains into the river from aquifers." If you're going to link streamflow, why not groundwater and aquifers
• "The Sammamish River has a low elevation and gentle steepness" is there any specific data for steepness? I have no idea whether steepness data is usually included in river articles, but it feels weird to omit steepness when elevation data is included
• Why link arsenic and sodium but not any other elements?

Geology

• Unlink Puget Sound as the article consistently links each term only once outside of the lead, and Puget Sound is already linked above.
• "before retreating several thousand years later" how many? is there an estimate?
• Explain in parentheses what alluvium is per MOS:NOFORCELINK, like how you explained glacial till and glaciolacustrine deposits

Biology

• The image caption "Chinook salmon are among the several species of salmonid which traverse the Sammamish to spawn." is unsourced. It is not stated in the article so you'll need to add a ref
• These forests improve water quality and allow for greater food resources to fish such as salmon" This isn't a repeated link so it isn't technically not following the manual of style, but given the high volume of links in this section, including many links to salmon species, I suggest you unlink this. links are distracting etc., this one isn't useful.
• "Populus trichocarpa (cottonwood)" I suggest you pipe the link with whatever name you think the cottonwood has been referred to as most frequently (e.g. by the sources in the article). Multiple reasons: 1) a common name is more recognisable 2) you just stated "Willows" and not "the genus Salix" 3) a name followed by another name in brackets makes for poor prose
  • (from #Human history) "Early Euro-American settlers reported plants such as Malus fusca (wild crab-apple), Corylus cornuta (beaked hazelnut), Urtica dioica (nettle), and Typha latifolia (cattail) around the river" Hmm... looks like it's consistent this way. But you refer to animals by their common name ! see for example the link to great blue heron in the section above. I think that this change is still worth making although it is already consistent. --ncw
• "Himalayan blackberry and reed canarygrass are common invasive plants across the riparian zone, with the latter originally introduced as an anti-erosion measure" I'm not a fan of this "the latter"/"the former" usage. When it's names of people, fine, but here you introduce new terms and then refer to them by a word that isn't their name, which genuinely meant I took a few seconds to figure out what this was trying to say. Suggest reordering to remove "the latter". if that's not possible, you could try splitting into two sentences.
• "have traditionally served as habitat" suggest "have traditionally served as a habitat"
• "may be found in the area" introduces doubt and ambiguity where it's unnecessary. They may be found? Do you mean they could be found but nobody knows if they're there, or that they are there but the person reading might not be able to find them? Or that they might be there on Tuesday but they go out for dinner on Friday? I assume you meant they are in the area. You don't need to question the reader's ability to find these birds, you just need to state that they exist there. How about "reside in the area"? I hope this is clear enough. To be fair, it is a very nitpicky thing to comment on.

Human history

• I am not sure whether "human history" is a great section title. In my view this suggests that there is a non-human history section, which there isn't. Or perhapse that is what the #Geology section is for.
• "was inhabited by the eponymous Sammamish people" drop "eponymous"
• Link "Lushootseed" to whatever page is most appropriate. I think it's already implied enough that this is a language so MOS:NOFORCELINK is already followed.
• I am not sure if red links to other projects are allowed, but if there's more information on the word "ƛ̕ax̌ʷadis" out there, a link to en.wiktionary (where there's no entry yet) may be appropriate. WP:NORED doesn't specify whether this is disallowed.
• "near the mouth of the river on Lake Washington" suggest "near the mouth of the river by Lake Washington"
• "was among the territories ceded" to whom?
• "Perennial floods which would often cover the entire floor of the river valley in 2 feet (0.61 m) of water" I think the "which" here is a mistake and should be removed, unless you were trying to say something else and skipped a few words. It's definitely not a grammatically correct standalone sentence.
• "and King County to begin" I assume that the actual King County can't do this so it must be a body representing it. IMO it's not clear who actually did this, but if you think it's clear enough it can be left as is. I generally don't know much about how counties and other bits of land operate.
• "to over 65,000 by the 2020s" suggest "to over 65,000 by the early 2020s" as the 2020s aren't over. Who knows, maybe the population will drop dramatically over the next few years. WP:CRYSTAL etc.
• "a small area of forest was destroyed" can you specify the number of surface area destroyed? is that in a source somewhere?

I hope these comments are useful! I think that the article is overall very good, so most of my comments are just about trivial stuff like links. Please ping me when you've addressed everything. --not-cheesewhisk3rs ≽^•⩊•^≼ ∫ (pester) 21:01, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

Dylan620

Source review forthcoming; give me a prod if I haven't left any comments by the end of the week. Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 12:52, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

All of the sources here are reliable – a combination of technical reports, academic journals, relevant books, and sources from King County itself – and all are from reputable publishers. I was a bit conservative with the spotcheck, and only checked about a quarter of the refs. I think we can trust an FAC coordinator (congrats on the promotion btw!) with 30 FAs to know what they're doing. Even so, I do have some minor comments:

• I recommend adjusting ref 13 to cite Carey 2003 p. 19 as well as p. 20, as the word "aquifer" appears on the former page instead of the latter.
• Conversely, ref 32 should probably just be p. 393, as all of the cited information appears to be on that page.
• Sources with URLs should probably have access dates.
• I'm confused by ref 18, which cites Mohamedali 2015 p. 5. I don't doubt that the cited information is present in that document, but from what I can tell, that specific page is occupied by a table of contents.

Dylan620 (please ping • talk • edits) 08:12, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

FM

• Marking my spot. To begin, I see a bunch of duplinks. FunkMonk (talk) 16:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

• Perhaps the "The Sammamish River in Bothell, overlooking the Bothell Landing Bridge" photo could be moved below the table, to prevent the clutter that happens now below the infobox.

• Any way footnote b could get a citation?

• You list a wide range of species, but any word on amphibians there?

• "plants such as Malus fusca (wild crab-apple), Corylus cornuta (beaked hazelnut), Urtica dioica (nettle), and Typha latifolia (cattail)" you give both scientific and common names here, but not elsewhere.

• "Due to this, the Sammamish River was originally referred to as the Squak Slough." so when did the name of the river change to the current one?

• "At the time of Euro-American contact" when did they reach the area?

• "dialect of Lushootseed" anything to link?

• "Small-scale farming efforts began soon after Euro-American settlement," I don't think "Euro-American" has to be repeated by this point, the reader gets the picture.

• "with the invasive reed canarygrass found across its course" why is this plant singled out in the intro, when it seems to just be an "also-ran" in the article body?

• "At the time of contact, the area was inhabited by" here, on the other hand, "contact" could need clarification.

Noleander

• @Watagwaan:: The first FAC nomination had 3 supports on prose/MOS but was archived due to the source review, correct? Does the current version of the article address the source review issues that were raised in the first nomination? Noleander (talk) 16:48, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

  I worked with Nikkimaria a few months back to make sure there were no outlandish/unreliable references remaining, and that formatting would stay consistent. Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 16:57, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

  Okay, sounds good. I'll try to do a full re-review soon (ping me if I've not started by 17 October). Noleander (talk) 16:59, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

  I feel bad for pinging you, but at your request, @Noleander! Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 15:51, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

• Add year? During her senior year, White met musician and fellow high school senior Jack Gillis at a coffee shop in either Ferndale, Michigan or Hamtramck. They formed a relationship and married in September 1996,... Maybe add year of when they met, so readers can to the math and see how much time elapsed between meeting and marriage. Alternatively, add words like "... and the married three years later in Sept 1996 ..." or similar.
  • Added!
• Wikilink: In 1997, White began learning to play the drums using Jack's drum kit ... to drum kit
  • Added!
• Word needed? The track "In the Cold, Cold Night" additionally features White singing lead for the first time... Not sure what purpose "additionally" serves here. In addition to what?
  • I used "additionally" there because two songs were mentioned prior, and for flow/going onto a segue to singing versus drumming it felt better.
• P vs PP
  • Handyside 2004, pp. 48. P/PP error? pp. 48.;
  • Handyside 2004, p. 4–5. P/PP error? p. 4–5.;
    • Fixed both of the above!
• Cite uniformity: ISBN numbers should use similar hyphenation: they are not currently
  • Fixed!
• Clarify wording They divorced in March 2000, though they resided in a house Jack purchased from his parents until 2003. probably better for readers as They divorced in March 2000, though they continued residing in a house Jack purchased from his parents until 2003.
  • Fixed!
• Punctuation: Dylan is her primary inspiration and favorite artist, even suggesting that the White Stripes perform Dylan songs live; Jack noted that her record collection was not only "twice as big as mine" but also contained more Dylan records than his own. That semicolon in the middle is probably better as a period.
• Follow-up with details: Dylan is her primary inspiration and favorite artist, even suggesting that the White Stripes perform Dylan songs live ... Article should tell reader whether they did or not. Maybe put as an efn footnote if a minor fact. But if they did not that kinda suggests that Jack did not listen to her? In any case: if sources say they did or did not play Dylan covers should be mentioned here.
  • Fixed both of the above!
• That is all I have. I already reviewed this in the prior FAC #1 and rendered a support opinion then. Leaning support. Ping me when you have considered the above items. Noleander (talk) 16:38, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

  @Noleander Somehow I forgot to reply and ping you. Thank you! Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 15:48, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

• Support on prose and MOS. I have not done an image review or source review. Great article on an important musician! Noleander (talk) 15:52, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Image review

I'll do an image review. TarnishedPath^talk 09:22, 14 October 2026 (UTC)
Full disclosure: After this article was nominated for DYK, I proposed a hook which ended up being what was on the mainpage. However, I have not edited the article at all.

• File:Meg White 1 (cropped).png - CC BY-SA 2.0 (this is fantastic image)
• File:Meg White in 2000 (cropped 3).png - Commons has this as CC BY 2.0. It needs to be updated to CC BY-SA 2.0 per the source (Flikr)
• File:The White Stripes (cropped).jpg - Commons has this as CC BY-SA 4.0; however, Flikr (the source) has this as CC BY-SA 2.0. This needs to be reflected on the commons file.
• File:Jack & Meg, The White Stripes.jpg - CC BY-SA 2.0
• File:Meg White.jpg - Listed at commons as CC BY-SA 2.0; however, both the source and author links give 404s. I've tried searching for archives of the link on internet archive and the results there give 404 also. Also, this source gives credit to Scott Gries/Getty Images, which is entirely different than commons. I think we have an issue with this image. It's possible this image has been ripped off from our community with another person trying to take credit for it; but I have no evidence to support that possibility.
• File:The White Stripes Icky Thump era 2007 (cropped).png - CC BY 2.0
• File:Meg White Primavera 2007.jpg - CC BY 2.0
• File:FoosDublin210819-2 (48620472807) (cropped).jpg - CC BY 2.0
• File:RiP2013 GreenDay Tre Cool 0002.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
• File:Whitestripes.jpg - CC BY-SA 2.0. The source link for this is throwing up a 404. As above the Internet Archive is giving no love; however, the image was reviewed by @Yuval CT (who is an admin over at commons) after its upload and they left a notice that they had reviewed the source and that the image had been appropriately released under the license stated.
• All of the images have alt-text for accessibility, are relevant to the article, and have proper captioning.
• Aside from the images, there are three excerpts from White Stripe songs. These are hosted on Wikipedia, are 15 seconds each and have rationale which meet WP:NFCC. The files are:
  • File:The White Stripes - Fell in Love With a Girl.ogg,
  • File:Seven Nation Army (sample).ogg, and
  • File:In the Cold, Cold, Night.ogg

TarnishedPath^talk 10:36, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Addressed everything except for Megwhite.jpg, because that seems to be a present issue. It was previously reviewed by an administrator several years ago as being on Flickr CC-BY-SA-2.0, and I recognize it's kind of working on good blind faith, but it truly is an impeccable image and if it was once accessible under that license, I'm inclined to keep it. But ultimately, whatever is decided I won't oppose. Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 12:49, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

@Watagwaan, I agree that File:Meg White.jpg is a fantastic image. However, the issue I see is that it wasn't reviewed by anyone beyond the uploader (who is neither an admin here nor commons). I would suggest removing or replacing it with another image (e.g., File:Meg White en Barcelona.JPG). TarnishedPath^talk 14:00, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath Replaced the image, no worries! Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 21:03, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Pass TarnishedPath^talk 00:49, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

@TarnishedPath @Watagwaan Just an addendum: it's definitely by Scott Gries, this article posted pre-upload on Wikimedia Commons has a "Getty Images" watermark. Image should (unfortunately) be removed site-wide as copyvio. travis mulch 15:27, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

The image is from December 2, 2005. Scott Gries released it to Getty at that time, so Getty has the rights. Not CC. travis mulch 15:32, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

That's kind of crazy that it stayed THIS long without anyone batting an eye. Even made it to the front page for a DYK. 😮 Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 20:54, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Admittedly, it's not your fault, and stuff like this doesn't get checked often (Flickr reviews are usually just clean passes) but sometimes it just happens and goes under the radar for a long time. I'll admit it took me a bit of searching to get that definitive proof. travis mulch 21:01, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

I was on the fence about slapping a CSD on the file, but now I'm not. TarnishedPath^talk 01:10, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Source spot-check - pass

Soon. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 02:22, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

This table lists 8 random passages from throughout the article (5.1% of 157 total passages). These passages contain 9 inline citations (4.6% of 194 in the article). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 03:21, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

@Watagwaan: Source spot-check is all good. I currently have a nomination for "Señorita" up; you may leave comments there if you wish. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 03:30, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

Drive-by comments from Travis Mulch

Mostly just some source quality fixes:

• Does any web link exist for the 2003 Rolling Stone Australia article (c. 91)?
  • This was originally linked to the True book that is frequently cited across the article, but that in itself was taken from an interview that an editor claimed to have found but did not provide a link; I cannot find it for the life of me, so I've reverted it back to the True source.
• Can The Daily Record & NME print citation (c. 102, 103) be replaced with NME itself, since it's an RS? (2002) (2003)
  • Yes, it can!
• Can the Howard Stern YouTube citation (c. 131) be replaced with Loudwire, an RS?
  • Yes, it can!
• Can the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame press release (c. 139) be replaced with Cleveland.com, a news RS?
  • I had already used this in the article and did not even realize I could've replaced the other one. Thanks!
• Can the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame & WRAT citation (c. 152, 153) be replaced with People, an RS?
  • Yes, it can!

The quality of the source bank's very good overall. Good work! travis mulch 04:57, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Not conducting a prose review, but one thing I noticed needed fixing while glancing around is the sentence "In May 2009, Jack revealed the band's plan to release a seventh album, which never came to fruition." Another source is needed to defend the bolded parts. travis mulch 05:01, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you so much @Travis Mulch! I've applied every change; as for the sentence that was unsourced, I removed it entirely since it isn't really worth mentioning considering it never happened. Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 20:17, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Nice. It's good to see "unreliable sources", "press releases" and "social media" disappear from Cite Unseen in an edit. @Watagwaan, ping me if this nomination ends up stalling or if you need an additional review, I'm willing to contribute wherever needed, just busy at the moment. travis mulch 20:19, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

No worries! Thank you very much @Travis Mulch, hope all is well! <3 Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 20:53, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

@Watagwaan: If you need a more in-depth source review done (even as a second-time FAC nominator), I have an ongoing source review request (as a first-time nominator) for Toby Fox, and I'd be willing to trade. I'll strikethrough the comment if someone else gets to it first, though. travis mulch 18:41, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

I'm not very good at source reviews; I can trust my gut in picking reliable sources most of the time when working on articles, but looking at all of them afterwards when I'm unfamiliar with an article/body of references overwhelms me sometimes, I struggle to keep up. Sorry ☹️ Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 04:18, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Sorry, neglected to reply back. Someone else took up the source review. You can still ping me if you need anything. travis mulch 16:41, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Nick-D

Meg White is one of my favourite musicians, and it's great to see this article at FAC. I'd like to offer the following comments:

• "Her last media appearance was in 2009, and she has not been active in the music industry since." - this phrasing is a bit confusing given the White Stripes didn't split up until 2011 and continue to periodically release recordings of their concerts. Replacing 'media appearance' with 'public performance' or similar would clarify things. White is presumably also involved with the process of releasing the White Stripes' back catalogue, so 'not active in the music industry' seems like an over-statement.
  • Their back catalogue is handled through Third Man Records, which White doesn't have involvement with; the last time she was seen in the media was for that Conan performance in 2009, even when the White Stripes formally split up 2 years later.
    • What sources say that she isn't involved with these releases? If there are sources that say that she lets Jack White do whatever he wants with the back catalogue with no involvement, this would be worth noting. Artists usually have all kinds of business and copyright-related involvement in their back catalogue long after their bands disband. Nick-D (talk) 04:59, 17 October 2026 (UTC)
      • Fair point, you've sold me. Made a change! Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 14:49, 17 October 2026 (UTC)
        • I've tweaked the wording here, as it was still a bit confusing. Nick-D (talk) 08:42, 20 October 2026 (UTC)
• References 1 and 2 need page numbers
  • Fixed!
• "and enjoyed the pastimes of roller skating, drawing, building snow fortresses, and doing makeup with her friends" - is this needed? It seems irrelevant given this is the kinds of things all kids do.
  • This was added by another editor, fine to remove.
• Do we know anything about White's history with music before 1997?
  • Believe me, I've searched; it seems like her music beginnings were as early as 1997.
• "and released their self-titled debut album to generally positive reviews" - say when in the year it was released
  • Fixed!
• "the album was praised as the band returned to styles present on the band's first two albums" - this wording is a bit clunky Nick-D (talk) 00:34, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you @Nick-D! Meg is also one of my favorites, she and the White Stripes inspired me to pursue music in addition to acting. For that last one, I reworded it. Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 03:48, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Support My comments are now addressed. Great work with this article. Nick-D (talk) 08:42, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

NRP

Will review! NRP (talk) 12:39, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you very much @NRP! I hope everything is addressed. Watagwaan? I really like the color red! 00:08, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

Looks good. Support! NRP (talk) 00:28, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

Infobox and lead

• "White performing in 2006" can just be "White in 2006" per MOS:CAPTIONLENGTH
  • Fixed!
• U.S. should be changed to US in the infobox per MOS:US
  • Fixed!
• a 2006 episode of The Simpsons might be a MOS:EASTEREGG. Change this to "a 2006 episode of The Simpsons, "Jazzy and the Pussycats"".
  • I didn't want to put the episode name in the lead, it seemed a bit extraneous. I actually replaced it with her model work, because it's mentioned as a venture but the lead as it is doesn't really expand on it.
• She was married to Jackson Smith from 2009 to 2013 —> "She was married to guitarist Jackson Smith from 2009 to 2013"
  • Fixed!

Early life

• "She notably worked at a restaurant" is "notably" needed?
  • Yeah, I didn't realize that. Fixed!

Career

• Journalist Alexis Petridis considers —> "Alexis Petridis of The Guardian considered", also change The Guardian deemed all three songs to "Petridis deemed all three songs"
  • Fixed!
• "which expands on Nikola Tesla" I don't know what this means. How does it expand on Nikola Tesla?
  • The segment itself discusses Tesla and his self-titled coil, hence "Jack Shows Meg His Tesla Coil".
• BBC shouldn't be italicized
  • Fixed!
• "the album was favorably compared to their first two albums" this is cited to a specific review, so it should be attributed to that review.
  • Actually, this sentence probably isn't even needed.
• "which is White's last media appearance to date" an {{as of}} is needed here
  • Fixed!

Artistry

• The first and third audio sample captions need periods since they're sentences
  • Fixed!
• Does "songs" really need a link to the White Stripes' discography?
  • Fixed!

Public image

• "green|and a writer for Vulture" why not include the writer's name?
  • Removed this quote since this section was merged with Artistry.
• Consequence of Sound should be changed to Consequence. This should also be done in references.
  • Fixed!

Legacy

• "Variety magazine" should just be Variety
  • Fixed!
• NPR shouldn't be italicized
  • Fixed!
• Pop should link to pop music, not popular culture
  • Fixed!

Personal life

Nothing here

Achievements

• I'd prefer if "(the third female drummer to be honored)" wasn't in parentheses
  • Fixed! (moved to Legacy)

References

• There are some MOS:DASH issues in titles, specifically refs 23, 33, 95, and 122
  • I am a dunderhead. Fixed!
• Make sure that refs are marked with |url-access=limited or subscription where necessary. Some ones to check for this: Rolling Stone, Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, The Times, The Washington Post, and Vulture
  • Rolling Stone doesn't seem limited, but I added these for the others! As for The Times reference that was used, it's a dead-link that's easily accessible, so I left it out.
• BBC News, MTV, NPR, School of Rock, and CNN should all be marked as publishers
  • Fixed!
• RS should be in italics on ref 34 (since it's an acronym of Rolling Stone)
  • Fixed!
• Having both CBC and Canadian Broadcasting Corporation is redundant, remove CBC
  • Fixed!
• whitestripes.com should be changed to The White Stripes, mark it as a publisher as well
  • Fixed!
• cleveland.com should be The Plain Dealer
  • Fixed!
• Mojo shouldn't be in all caps
  • Fixed!
• Per MOS:ORDER, source sections being named "Bibliography" is discouraged because it isn't clear whether it's works by the subject of the article
  • Fixed!

Image review by Gommeh

• I'll do an image review for this in the coming days. Gommeh ^{(talk 🎮 sign)} 02:38, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

  @Gommeh FYI -There is a section above named "image review", not sure if it was completed. Noleander (talk) 04:16, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

  @Gommeh and @Noleander it was completed. See comment by myself at 00:49, 15 October 2026 (UTC). TarnishedPath^talk 08:47, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

  Ah, did not see that. Might take a look later anyway. Gommeh ^{(talk 🎮 sign)} 12:24, 31 October 2026 (UTC)

Comments

• "The results of the competition generated some amount of controversy" - I think "The results of the competition generated controversy" is better
• "Stéphane Lambiel of Switzerland also stumbled on an attempted quadruple toe loop" - "also" makes no sense here so should be removed
• "a quadruple toe loop-triple toe loop jump combination that was meant to have a double loop added as a third element, but which was omitted" => "a quadruple toe loop-triple toe loop jump combination that was meant to have a double loop added as a third element, which was omitted"
• That's all I got - great work! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 17:18, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

User:ChrisTheDude: All fixed. Thank you! Bgsu98 (Talk) 16:49, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:23, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Source spot-check - pass

Will do. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 03:54, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

This table lists 2 random passages from throughout the article (4.1% of 49 total passages). These passages contain 2 inline citations (3.8% of 52 in the article). Reference numbers refer to this revision. Generated with the Veracity user script. RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 03:54, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

@Bgsu98: Source spot-check is all good. I currently have a nomination for "Señorita" up; you may leave comments there if you wish RedShellMomentum^{talk that talk to me} 03:56, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Review by QuicoleJR

Please don't give up on writing FAs, your work is really good and it's nice to have a third sport compete with soccer and snooker for most featured articles. This is my first FA review, so feel free to tell me if I did anything wrong. I have a few comments:

• The results of the competition generated controversy when Lysacek won the gold medal without performing a quadruple jump, which many felt was a necessary component of men's figure skating. I'm not really sure many is supported by the article body, which names exactly three people who were upset, all Russians. Unless there is a source that can explicitly back up the claim that many felt it was necessary, I think it would be better to say something more like which Russian figures felt was a necessary component of men's figure skating.
• The fact that Plushenko was in the lead after the short program before Lysacek won from the free skate could be added to the lead to make it a little longer.

• Done. I have reworked the lead. Bgsu98 (Talk) 01:08, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

• In the Qualification section, it would be good to add a sentence or two about how figure skating has nations qualify instead of individual athletes, so people not familiar with that system don't have to read the separate article to understand it.

• Done.

• to generate a final performance score for each skater or team. The or team can be removed here since there were no teams in this particular event.

• Done.

• For comprehensiveness, I think Takahashi’s bronze medal performance warrants an extra sentence or two. The single sentence after the detailed descriptions of Lysacek and Plushenko's performances feels out-of-place.
• Also for comprehensiveness, are there any reliable retrospectives on the event that can be added to the article? If none are available, that's fine, but I think it would be good to include some discussion of the event by sources written months or years later if possible.

Overall, this is a really good article and very close to being ready. Thanks for nominating it, it was a fun read. QuicoleJR (talk|edits) 16:52, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

User:QuicoleJR: Thank you for taking the time to examine my article and leave your feedback! I agree about Takahashi. From what I remember, all of the sources I found focused on Plushenko and Lysacek to the exclusion of everyone else, including the guy who won the bronze medal! "Oh, by the way, Takahashi won the first ever Olympic medal in figure skating for Japan." I will go search again with more focus on him. Surely somebody somewhere wrote something. Anyway, I will ping you when I have had a chance to address all of your comments! Bgsu98 (Talk) 18:04, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

MSincccc

• @Phlsph7: Hats off to you for bringing yet another vital article to FAC.

I might not be able to do a full review, but I've made a few minor revisions to the prose. Good luck with the nomination. MSincccc (talk) 16:34, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

Hi MSincccc and thanks for the help. I would be interested in your comments if you find the time to review the article further. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:11, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

@Phlsph7: I've made a few more revisions.

Types

• "Truth can also be expressed in the field of art by manifesting ideas or understanding through aesthetic phenomena." → "Truth can also be expressed through art, which conveys ideas or understanding through aesthetic forms."

  I implemented a slight variation. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:16, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

• "Psychologists and cognitive scientists study cognitions as truth-related mental processes that acquire, transform, or use information." → "Psychologists and cognitive scientists study cognitive processes that acquire, transform, or use information and examine their relationship to truth."

  I implemented a slight variation. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:16, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Well, I've quite a busy schedule ahead: Mike's FAC and Usernameunique's GAN being among those. Best, MSincccc (talk) 13:34, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

@Phlsph7 I'm on the move till Thursday, but I've made a few revisions to the prose.

I hope you're doing well. Best, MSincccc (talk) 16:08, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

In various fields

• "the approaches of the empirical and formal sciences" → "approaches used in the empirical and formal sciences"

  Done. Phlsph7 (talk) 13:13, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

• "a person has not felt before" → "a person has not experienced before"

  I used "encountered" instead to avoid repeating the word "experience". Phlsph7 (talk) 13:13, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

History

• "truth was understood as aletheia or disclosure," → "truth was understood as aletheia, or disclosure,"

  Changed. Phlsph7 (talk) 13:13, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

• In his transcendental idealism, objects are not entirely independent of observers since the mind actively structures
  • A comma after "observers"?

    Added. Phlsph7 (talk) 13:13, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

• "Various deflationary theories in the 20th century aimed to show that truth is a trivial linguistic device without a deeper metaphysical significance, proposed by philosophers such as..." → "Various deflationary theories proposed by philosophers such as...aimed to show that truth is a trivial linguistic device without deeper metaphysical significance."

  Changed. Phlsph7 (talk) 13:13, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

MSincccc (talk) 10:09, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Theories

• "There are disagreements about whether such features exist and whether a given feature is an essential component or an external criterion only indicating the presence of truth." → "There is disagreement over whether such features exist and whether a given feature is an essential component of truth or merely an external criterion for identifying it."

  Implemented. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:00, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

• "and does not contribute to meaning." → "and does not contribute to a sentence's meaning."

  Done. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:00, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

MSincccc (talk) 14:22, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Definition, Basic concepts, and the lead

• "and as a standard to which right conduct should conform by being responsive to how things actually are" → "and as a standard for right conduct, which should be responsive to how things actually are"

  I implemented a slight variation. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:00, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

• "could act as a truthmaker of the sentence "the carrot is orange" → "could act as a truthmaker for the sentence "the carrot is orange"

  Done. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:00, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

• "independent of other factors" → "independently of other factors"

  Changed. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:00, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

Bottom line

• Phlsph7 It's taken sometime, but that's all from me. I look forward to your response.

MSincccc (talk) 17:02, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

• Thanks for all the useful feedback! I hope I got everything. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:00, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

  @Phlsph7 It was a fine read, pretty much like your previous ones. Happy to support. MSincccc (talk) 12:40, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

LunaEclipse

Image + source spotcheck should be coming in the next two weeks. I'm currently taking philosophy courses in college, so this is a perfect option for me. 🌙Eclipse (SMAAAASH!) 00:06, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Alexeyevitch

There isn't much for me to comment on, as this already seems to be of FA quality to my mind, but I can note down a few things that may be useful.

@Alexeyevitch: Thanks for your review and all the helpful suggestion! I hope I got everything. Phlsph7 (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

Happy to Support. Alexeyevitch^(talk) 21:24, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

• First point, quotation marks and punctuation placement. In this example the punctuation is inside the quote marks: "It's raining in Nairobi." Then, it is outside "Mount Everest is the highest mountain on Earth". Also, in the 'Snow is white' part, should there be no full stops/periods inside the quote marks, because it is referring to the sentences themselves rather than quoting them with their original punctuation?

  MOS:LOGICAL seems to suggest that they should go outside unless there is a good reason otherwise. I implemented that to have consistency, I hope I didn't miss any. Phlsph7 (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

• "Monists argue that there is only a single kind of truthbearer". I wasn't familiar with the term 'monists' before, so I had to look it up. This should be glossed or linked. Similar to something you did in describing what Truthiness is... "a similar term, refers to the tendency to prioritize intuition and gut feelings over evidence and rational analysis"

  Done. Phlsph7 (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

• "According to some suggestions, [...]" Who or what are making the suggestions?

  I don't think that there is a single author or school of thought that we could identify as the source of this view. I rearranged the sentence to put the example of fuzzy logics first to make it more concrete. Phlsph7 (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

• "Bullshitting is a related phenomenon in which a speaker is indifferent to truth or falsehood". On Bullshit is linked here, instead of the broader, probably more expected page, Bullshit.

  I changed the link target to the relevant section of the general article. Phlsph7 (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

• "A key motivation for the correspondence theory is its intuitive appeal and its ability to ground truth in objective reality. A key challenge is to clarify how exactly truths relate to facts". This is not a major problem, but both sentences begin with "A key", which is a bit repetitive.

  Reformulated. Phlsph7 (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

• "[...] which is employed to describe their truth conditions using so-called T-sentences. T-sentences have the form [...]" Looks like there is a repetition of the term. I recommend swapping the second 'T-sentences' to 'They' or something.

  It would be possible. However, the danger is that it may confuse readers because "they" could also refer to "true sentences" and "truth conditions" in the previous sentence. Phlsph7 (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

• "showing them new perspectives, familiarizing them with alternative ways of life" These mean pretty much the same thing.

  Removed. Phlsph7 (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

• "Truth tables, another tool in logic" I would instead add "used in logic"

  Done. Phlsph7 (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

• "It is reflected in the oath to tell [...]". I would change it to "It is reflected in oaths to tell [...]"

  The plural sounds a little odd to my ears because we only quote a single sentence. Phlsph7 (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

• "One of their key applications is in control structures [...]". I do not know what 'their' refers to here.

  I reformulated the expression to clarify. Phlsph7 (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

• "Other paradoxes include the Curry paradox, the Russell-Myhill paradox, and Grelling's paradox" Two points to consider: "Curry's paradox" (with the apostrophe) is the more standard form (I think, based on looking up the paradox on Google) and "Grelling's paradox" could be linked to the article on the Grelling–Nelson paradox.

  Implemented. Phlsph7 (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

• "Parmenides (fl. 5th century BCE) distinguished truth from opinion, associating truth with thought and being while contrasting it with non-being" You can use Template:Floruit here. Not everyone may know what "fl." means, so I think it would be helpful to clarify it for readers.

  Done. Phlsph7 (talk) 14:01, 28 October 2026 (UTC)

Gerda

I'm interested, will comment as I read, looking at the lead last. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:57, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

I read the article without problems, but that never happened before, - I'll try again when less tired. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Lead

• "lake freighter": I suggest to pipe "American" into it, because the link otherwise looks as going only generally to lake freighters. You know it's all about the Great Lakes, but someone uninitiated will not. - Also: how about getting "Great Lakes" in there, with a link. The link later in the prose comes a bit late.

  I've linked Great Lakes in the opening sentence.

• Why does this article about a very American topic use European date format?

  This article has always used D/M/Y. Should that be addressed? I don't think it detracts from comprehension of the material.

  Certainly not me, - I'm used to it ;) - please, when replying in a threaded discussion, repeat whatever you reply to, - if a bullet, repeat the bullet, - there's an essay by a friend linked from my user page - look for asterisk. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:09, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

• "On what was her final voyage of the year" - seems not the most elegant way to start a paragraph, and leaves open if it was planned to be her last of the year, - otherwise is seems to be her last ever.

  Fixed.

• I wonder if the accompanying freighter is needed in the leed.

  Trimmed to remove this excessive detail.

• "complement of 24" - unknown vocabulary to me, but that may be just me. If not, perhaps a link? Or a few more words about people who died?

  Linked Ship's company. Per WP:SHIPSNOTCREWS, articles covering watercraft shouldn't devote excessive detail to the crew, barring any notable members. Also, in this case, we don't know too much about the crew.

• can you please provide a link to hatch?

  Done.

• The long sentence beginning with "Initially believed ..." - I had to read it twice, - would a split perhaps help clarity?

  Done

• "since May 2025" - makes me curious, - without context, the year is information that seems not needed at this point.

  Removed the superfluous info from lede.

Background

• I don't think we need "Main: Lake freighters" which was linked in the first sentence.

  Done.

• I'd start the first sentence with the year, for history, and then "the first iron-hulled vessel", because otherwise it remains a mystery for too long why we hear about a gunship.

  Done.

Design ...

• How does the name and a gala (and did it happen or not?) fit under the header?
• How about first construction, then launch?

  Split detail of name and launch into its separate section.

• "She was flush-decked, meaning indicating the lack ..." - what does "meaning indicating" mean?

  Fixed. I presume this was the result of a past cleanup I failed to remove.

Service ...

• "350 long tons (356 t) of her cargo was removed" - it's probably just me thinking tons were removed?

  Clarified.

• She is in docks, one sentence, and running aground the next, - surprise.

  I've split this section into separate paragraphs to improve comprehension.

Final ...

• "departed Ashtabula for Lorain, Ohio, arriving at the latter later that same day" - what is "at the latter" for?

  Trimmed the sentence.

• surprised that a link for "layup" goes to "In ordinary"

  I have been advised in the past to link layup to that page. On the article itself, it stated vessels in layup are those out of service for repair or maintenance.

• surprised also that there were two Chamberlain - missed that at night, could perhaps be said sooner?

  To my knowledge, the two captains sharing a surname was nothing more than a coincidence. I don't think it's worth including earlier.

  I thought you might just bring the name of the other vessel's captain sooner, but nothing urgent. --GA

Aftermath

• "recovered two hatch further covers"?

  Fixed. Another mistake on my part.

• wl detritus? - or am I the only who had no idea?

  "detritus" → "debris"

• foundering - what's that?

  Changed to She was additionally the only vessel lost in a storm on the Great Lakes that year for the sake of clarity.

• "The detached pilothouse drifted ashore"- do we know when?

  Sadly not. The two articles I found (written in 1969 and 1973) do not so much as state the general timeframe when it was located.

Please check, Akaza. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:41, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the review @Gerda. Hope this helps. Akaza ^[talk] 18:54, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick changes and explanations! I support the article for FA per the prose. I'm not the person to go into the sources deeply, but admire your puzzle of all these newspaper bits. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:21, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you! As grueling as it was to compile, I feel extremely proud of this article. Akaza ^[talk] 19:26, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Stikkyy

• Infobox says order 22 July 1902, body says ordered 2 July 1902.
• I think Template:Inflation/US-GDP stands on its own, no need for the first note.
• with metal becoming a material used in the construction of new hulls by the 1890s. – I assume this is trying to describe metal overtaking wood?
• Frankly put, I think most of the context (prefabricated iron vessels, timber economics, advancements in shipyard technology, ore production, Wolvin's career) are very much incidental to the ship, which only really needs the immediate context. I would trim it down to A) the development of steel bulk freighters, B) the demand for ore transport, and C) Wolvin establishing the Provident fleet.
• which were longitudinally 9 feet (2.7 m) in depth – If I understand this correctly, suggest 9 feet (2.7 m) long fore and aft? Some jargon is unavoidable, but I think that we have a duty to make it as understandable as possible without sacrificing clarity. In this case, I can feel the vocabulary from 120 years ago crawling up into the prose.
• On the night of 27 November, D. M. Clemson departed Ashtabula, arriving in Lorain, Ohio, later that same day. – The following day, I presume?
• 30 hatch covers in discovered in the wreckage doesn't play well with the 25 hatches provided in ==Design and construction==.
• becoming one of the most widely discussed mysteries of Lake Superior. – The two references attached to this are from 1972 and 1973, they're old enough that they can't establish contemporary importance.
• One piece of wreckage bore signs of an explosion. – What signs?

Stikkyy (talk) 20:12, 30 October 2026 (UTC)

Noleander

• Prose: overall the prose complies with WP:FACR 1a: "engaging and of a professional standard". I see a few wording choices that perhaps could be improved, I'll point those out below.

• Aesthetics: The article is attractive and has good illustrations.

• Citations & Source: overall, the formatting is consistent and complies with MOS. I'll point out a few minor issues below.

• I ran the Earwig CopyVio tool, and it was all green: no warnings.

• Is this article using British or US English? I see "recognized" (US) and "meters" (US), but "centimetres" (UK). Uniformity is desired, although I understand some words are borderline (is recognized acceptable in UK these days?)
  • Done

• Consider putting a language-variant tag inside the article at top to let future editors know e.g. {{Use American English}} or the British equivalent
• Done

• Technical term: The specific name means "very long" ... Lay readers will get confused by this: even if they click on the link. Is it possible to help them with a parenthetical gloss of "(longissimus)"?
  • Done

• Ambiguity ... interest in the rich "Tertiary" (now Neogene) fossil sites of Argentina boomed ... Readers may wonder if that sentence is saying (a) geologists renamed the "Tertiary" period to "Neogene"; or (b) the statum that the bones were in was originally thought to be Tertiary, but later determined to be Neogene. Can the wording be tweaked to remove the ambiguity?
  • Done

• MOS:SANDWICH may be a concern if two images are in a single section, and one is L and one is R, as in the Phorusrhacos#Skull section. Sandwiching depends on the specific device: it is a function of phone/desktop/iPad; the app (web browser vs WP app); the user's WP User Preference skin; etc. So, even though the nominator may not see sandwiching, some readers may still suffer from it. It is safest to keep all images within one section on the same side (all L or all R).
  • Done

• File:Phorusrhacos_skull_composite.png - Nice image, looks like the nominator created it ... artist and writer! FYI: In Commons, image format SVG is strongly preferred over bitmaps like PNG/JPEG/TIF ... because future editors can easily change an SVG image (e.g. change a single color, or slightly change a graphic, or adjust a position, etc). This image format issue (SVG/PNG) is not a bar to FA status, of course, but if you created the image in SVG format, consider uploading the SVG to Commons instead of PNG ... ditto for any other images you created.
• Done
  • To illustrate why SVG is superior: the image File:Karte Fossilfundstellen der Santa-Cruz-Formation.jpg used in the article has German text, which is not ideal for English WP article (Note: I'm not suggesting the language issue is a concern for this FA nomination) ... that image is in JPEG format; if it were in SVG format, anyone could spend 5 minutes with the InkScape app and create a 2nd version of that image with English text.
• My drawing program does not have .svg

• Accessibility: To support color-blind users of WP, MOS:COLOR says "Color should not be used as the sole visual means of conveying information...". I'm not doing an image review, but the image reviewer may insist that the image File:Phorusrhacos_skull_composite.png be amended by placing textual letters over the colors (e.g. "A", "B", "C, "D") in the legend and the image itself, so color-blind readers can match them up.
• Done

• Image File:Phorusrhacos_skull_composite.png - Why are there 3 bars in lower right corner? I see one indicates 10 cm, but what are the other two for?
  • How big each specimen is, each bar is 10 cm they're just scaled to each specimen.
    • Hmmm, I'm still confused. In the upper part of image File:Phorusrhacos_skull_composite.png is a complete skull diagram: that diagram can have only a single scale, correct? That diagram includes pieces from 3 specimens: but if each specimin were drawn with a unique scale, they would not fit together snugly into a single diagram. It seems like the entire image can and should have only one scale bar. Noleander (talk) 11:56, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

  Will change. AFH (talk) 14:40, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

  • Done

• Wording In 1889, Ameghino published a detailed monograph on Argentine fossil mammals, including Phorusrhacos. Here, he went into greater detail ... Can the word "Here" be eliminated? or improved? Some readers may think "here" refers to "this WP article".
  • Done

• Wording ... a group of predominantly large, predatory flightless birds commonly known as... Normally "predominantly" applies to a single attribute, but there are 3 attributes follow the word. Does "predominantly" apply to all three of those attributes? Only one? Consider re-wording to reduce confusion. Maybe remove tbe word "predominantly" and explain the subtleties (e.g. "not all were predatory" or whatever) lower in the body text.
  • Done

• Caption Portrait of Florentino Ameghino, the describer of Phorusrhacos. Consider eliminating "Portrait of". Ditto other caption.
  • Done

• Wording In 1888, Moreno briefly mentioned that "large birds" had been found in.... (a) can "briefly" be deleted? (b) Does "large bird" need to be in quotes? Normally quotes are only used for special or unique phrasings used by the source; for plain words you can re-state 1- or 2-word phrases without WP:CLOSEPARAPHRASING worries.
  • Done

• Inconsistent vertical image alignment: When images are placed at the top of a subsection, sometimes they are below the subsection title (e.g. Phorusrhacos#American_expeditions), but other times they are at the same vertical line with the top of the sec title (e.g Phorusrhacos#Revision). Consistency suggests that they all should use the same alignment (for those images at the top of subsections). I believe the MOS prefers such "top" images to be placed just under the subsection title as in Phorusrhacos#American_expeditions. See MOS:SECTIONLOC which says "The first image of a section should be placed below any hatnote (typically a navigational hatnote in the form of {{Main}}, {{Further}} and {{See also}} templates). Do not place an image at the end of the previous section as this will not be visible in the appropriate section on mobile devices."
  • Done

• Topology 1 and Topology 2 cladograms: are not fully displayed: slider bars appear, and user cannot see the full diagram. I suppose this imperfect display is used because these two cladograms are superseded by the later "analysis by Agnolín and colleagues (2025)" cladogram which is the latest, so it gets a full (non-slider) display. I've got a large monitor, and even with that I cannot see the full cladoogram of #1 or #2: which is very unsatisfying. Is there any way to let readers see the full cladogram of #1 and #2? E.g. a thumbnail/zoom technique? Or make them fully displayed w/o slider? These sliders are not a bar to fA status, but it is possible to improve it, consider doing so.
  • I'm a little unsure of what this means and how to go about this.
    • Apologies for no being clear. The section Phorusrhacos#Taxonomy contains three cladograms: the bottom cladogram (2025) is perfect. The upper two (2011, 2015) are not ideal: they are not fully displaying on my device: both of them appear only partly visible, with horizontal scroll bars below them. Do you see scroll bars on your display? Some readers may want to see those two upper cladograms without scroll bars. It is hard to appreciate or study a cladaogram if it is partly visible. Even when I stretch my web browser really wide the horiz. sliders never go away. I'm suggesting that you investigate to see if there is some way to display the full cladograms. As a last resort, you could display both of them fully, same as the 2025 cladogram ... but that might mean you cannot display them side-by-side (so the section would become taller). That is a difficult trade off. What do other FA-quality articles with multiple cladograms do? Are sliders common for cladograms in FA articles? I don't recall seeing silders before. Noleander (talk) 11:56, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

  This is the same cladogram in the Titanis FA. AFH (talk) 14:40, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• Wording ... was joined by the American Museum of Natural History on the last ... : consider was joined by a team from the American Museum of Natural History on the last ...
  • Done

• Wording ... collecting a trove of new fossil bird ... Is a better phrasing available? "Trove" is something one finds. But after two teams collect a bunch of items and give it to a museum, it is no longer a trove. Consider The teams excavated a trove of ... or ... excavated a collection of new fossil ... or altogether collecting a large amount of new fossil bird and mammal material. etc.
  • Done

• Image license: File:Phorusrhacos sehuensis holotype NHMUK.jpg - This is not an image review, but in the spirit of making the future image review go more smoothly, the image's page in Commons says license is CC-4, but the source URL says "License CC0-1.0". That disconnect should be resolved. Also: ideally the "Description" text in the Common pages should quote any license/CC information from the source URL ... not only to help readers, but also if the source URL changes in the future (e.g. URL becomes dead, or they change the license type) you want to capture the license as it was on the day you uploaded the image to Commons!! Could mean the difference between the image getting deleted or retained in the future.
• Done

• Wording? Litopterns such as Theosodon (depicted), were possible prey items for Phorusrhacos I've never heard the phrase "prey items" before. Consider the simpler "prey", unless "prey items" carries a special meaning
  • Done

• Cite uniformity: some ISBNs have hyphens, some do not. Should be al the same.
  • Will do

• Mysterious source: Ameghino, Florentino (1899). "Sinopsis geológico-paleontológica. Suplemento (Adiciones y correciones)". La Plata: 13p. I cannot tell what that is: a book? A monograph? Is there any URL that you can supply to let readers track down this source and learn more about it? Maybe some index in a library? And what does "13p" represent? 13 pages? I've never seen the number of pages displayed like that in a citation before, but I guess it is harmless.
  • As far as I can tell, it was simply a supplemental article. I can't find much information on the paper or the paper itself.
    • If there is no URL available and you got that source thru unusual means (e.g. email to a librarian), consider adding those instructions into the citation as a textual note after the closing double brace }} .... such notes are acceptable. The goal is to give readers (and reviewers) a way to read the original source (e.g. for the FAC source review). Noleander (talk) 11:56, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

  I did not read the source itself, it is just credited as the paper where that species was named. This is traditional for a lot of descriptions of species in WikiPaleo pages. AFH (talk) 14:33, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

• Same for Mercerat, Alcides (1893). "Note sur la géologie de Patagonie: Buenos Aires" [Note on the geology of Patagonia: Buenos Aires]. Helvetia (in Spanish): 6p. Any URL available? Readers will want breadcrumbs to find what you read.
  • Same issue as with article above

• Source has a warning: "Generally unreliable" Cost, Ian N. (22 August 2020). "Extinct Animal of the Week: The Name of Many Terrors". Extinct Animal of the Week. Retrieved 30 May 2026. Such "Generally unreliable" warnings can be ignored provided the source is essential to the article, and there is no superior (more reliable) source available. Or: If you have examined the publisher & author and found the warning to be a false positive.
  • Done

• Use of "location" field in book sources is inconsistent: 4 use it; 2 do not. Ideally all or none use "location"
  • Done, I believe

• Author formatting: last1=Federico J. Degrange, Drew Eddy, Pablo Puerta, & Julia Clarke Kinda abusing the "last1" attribute there :-) It is causing a warning to be displayed when I run a cite-check tool. Can that be improved? Consider using "author" or multiple last/first pairs?
  • Done

• Not a big deal, but I was looking for a "Taxonomy" section in the Table of Contents, and did not see it. The section I was looking for [the section containing the latest cladogram] is named "Classification" .. is that section name following a convention for paleontology articles?
  • Done

• I gotta say, the assortment of images is really, really nice: Informative, attractive, laid-out in a pleasing manner. Good work.

• Nested quotes should use single quote on interior pair:
  • ""Terror Birds" (Phorusrhacidae) from the Eocene of Europe Imply Trans-Tethys Dispersal"
  • Done
  • "List of generic terms proposed for birds during the years 1890 to 1900, inclusive, to which are added names omitted by Waterhouse in his "Index Generum Avium""
    • Done

Both should use quote marks like this: "aa aaa aa 'bbb bb' aaa aaa"

• That is all I have for now. A superlative article! Ping me when you have considered the above, and I'll make a second pass. Noleander (talk) 10:50, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

  Sorry for the delay in implementing many of these suggestions. I will be able to get to the rest of them within the next few days. AFH (talk) 13:02, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

Comments by LittleLazyLass

Only got through the first two history subsections so far, but unfortunately I have to say they they need a lot of work.

• Most of these aren't problems, but there's some structure and big picture things that I think could be altered to better tell the story of the feud:
  • I feel a bit of a disconnect in how the sentence This included exploration by two teams of Argentine paleontologists: Florentino and Carlos Ameghino, who operated independently, and Francisco Pascasio Moreno and Alcides Mercerat of the Museo de La Plata (MLP). introduces this as a four person story, but it plays out much more like a two-person conflict with two side characters (which is how Buffetaut tells it). This causes some ambiguity when the competition section starts using "Ameghino" to refer to Florentino when there's two Ameghino brothers in the story. It's not hard to figure out, but I think it'd all read clearer if Florentino and Moreno are introduced first and Carlos and Mecerat are clearly framed as secondary figures.
    • Implemented
  • I also think that introducing the brothers as independents in that sentence reads awkwardly, as the next few sentences start back at them being employed at the museum and restate them going independent. I'd just start chronologically with them working at the museum.
    • Implemented
  • I think it'd help the flow if you combined the "at the same time as..." and "In 1891, Moreno and..." paragraphs. Moreno organising expeditions and then describing the remains found there in 1891 are directly connected concepts, which didn't occur to me on the first reading due to a paragraph break.
    • Implemented
  • Paragraph two on the naming of Phorusrhacos immediately follows us being told that the Ameghinos went independent. But in the timeline, these events are the other way around. The dates are provided, but I totally missed the fact this happened while he was still at the museum on my first reading.
    • Implemented
  • Mecerat is stated by Buffetaut to have been hired as a replacement for Florentino, which I think would be a nice bit of added context rather than him just being another random guy in the narrative.
    • Implemented
  • Purely a subjective suggestion, but I'd split up these sections differently. The second is called "competition", but said competition begins in the prior section. I'd throw the whole Ameghino/Moreno affair under a "Discovery and competition" section, itself split into "Initial misidentification" and "Reinterpretation as a bird"; the first paragraph of the current "competition" section would move to the first subsection, as it clearly belongs with the other naming information rather than the following four.
    • Implemented
• Some details, I think, need some expansion or are missing:
  • Buffetaut contextualises the story, saying that Patagonian fossils were first found by Darwin but largely ignored until Moreno founded the La Plata museum and then hired Ameghino. You don't need more than a sentence or two, but I think it makes for a great foundation for the debacle. Saying the Argentinian boom "included" Moreno and Ameghino really feels like underselling things!
    • Implemented
  • The article doesn't state that Ameghino loses access to the museum collections are his falling out with Moreno. Obviously the reader should be able to intuit this, but seeing as it's a major motivator of his activities from that point I think it should be mentioned outright.
    • Implemented
  • until 1967, when American paleontologist Pierce Brodkorb corrected its use.[19]: 162-163 - Buffetaut's paper on Phororhacoidea goes on to explain an entire ICZN petition trying and failing to give priority to Phororhacos following this paper. Saying that it ended cleanly in 1967 is therefore very misleading and the ICZN action is surely notable enough to go over.
    • Implemented. Gave it a solid paragraph.
  • Fairly passive terminology is used to describe Moreno/Mecerat 1891's correction of Florentino's Phorusrhacos identification, and likewise for Florentino's response to that paper. In Buffetaut's telling, both responses are explained as quite personal and aggressive. I'd make this more clear.
    • Will do. Do you have any specific parts that are too passive?
  • Likewise, though the article states that Florentino incorrectly credits Carlos for first recognizing giant Patagonian birds Buffetaut makes it quite clear there was a deliberate, concerted attempt to actively discredit Moreno and Mecerat's claim to the accomplishment; I'd rephrase it in that light.
    • Implemented
  • I'd probably include at least one sentence about the publication date spat mentioned in Buffetaut's paper.
    • Implemented
  • Even though this isn't an article about Florentino, I think the conclusion of his story is a bit too sudden. The motivations for him selling his fossil bird collection (financial difficulties and more interest in mammals, per Buffetaut) seem worth mentioning; him regretting the sale later could also be thrown in, though I don't think it's necessary.
    • Implemented
  • The fates of Carlos and Mecerat aren't acknowledged in the article, but explanations are available in the Buffetaut and Hospitaleche citations. I'd probably give a sentence to it, but if you feel their roles are too minor for this to be necessary that's fair.
    • Implemented
• A few small details and bits of prose feedback:
  • The history section says Ameghino reclassified Tolmodus as a synonym of Phorusrhacos, but the species section below says Andrews did this. Was this done independently by both authors, or is there a mistake here?
    • Implemented; was done by both independently
  • Ameghino went on to claim that Carlos was the first to recognize the existence of giant birds in the Tertiary of South America in 1891,[2] when in actuality Moreno had in 1889. - Moreno recognized this in 1888, as you stated earlier. Buffetaut does mention both an 1888 and 1889 publication on the subject, but obviously the 1888 one was the first recognition.
    • Implemented
  • In 1888, Moreno mentioned that fossils of large birds had been found in Monte Hermoso by these expeditions. The next year, he classified them as belonging to two new genera of lamellirostral web-footed birds: Mesembriornis and Palaeociconia.[10][22] Though these fossils do not belong to Phorusrhacos.[5][21] - starting the second sentence here with "though" reads quite awkwardly to me. I'd rearrange this, saying that although they do not represent Phorusrhacos they first demonstrated the existence of giant birds in Patagonia. This first recognition is given importance later in the section, but not when it actually happens here
    • Implemented; the fossils of Mesembriornis studeri actually come from Phorusrhacos.
  • They named several genera and species, such as Owenornis and Stereornis, based on fragmentary material. Furthermore, they placed these taxa in the now-defunct order Stereornithes - the "placed" phrasing gave me the impression that Stereornithes was a preexisting group they put these taxa in. I'd say they named or erected the group Stereornithes to contain the new taxa (Hospitaleche can be cited for this).
    • Implemented
  • In 1895, Florentino described the mandible in detail and noted the discovery of the fragmented skull, including an illustration. - this is the only time in the competition section you use "Florentino" instead of "Ameghino"; it should be consistent with the rest.
    • Implemented
  • While I don't expect much detail on synonyms when they have their own section, I'd mention what Tolmodus was based on if you're going to dedicate a sentence to it anyways.
    • Implemented

• Most concerningly, I take a number of issues with use of and consistency with sources:
  • Buffetaut's source should be cited way more. It's common to need to use primary sources for history in palaeontology as secondary ones just don't exist, but given the perfect one does exist in this case it should be slapped on every applicable sentence in this section. It's more complete and less biased then the primary sources.
    • Done
  • Their discoveries comprised thousands of fossils from Cenozoic fossil deposits throughout Patagonia and central Argentina.[6][7][8] - do the provided primary sources say this? It sounds like something you'd only get from a secondary source after the fact.
    • Done, added later sources that go over the discoveries by the two
  • The descriptions produced by Florentino were short, vague, and sought to establish priority for new taxa before his competitor, Moreno, could. - this appears to be unsourced; the next citation, the 2019 skull paper, says nothing about this. It's also incorrect, as while the 1887 descriptions were very preliminary he was still working for Moreno at this point and so was not his competitor (see aforementioned issue about the chronology and paragraph two). Buffetaut speculates he may have already been falling out with Moreno and this motivated him to establish priority quickly, but that's quite a bit different from what you're claiming here.
    • Done
  • Despite this, Phororhacos continued to be used for decades[18][20] - citation 20, published in 1899, cannot possibly be used to support this statement.
    • Implemented
  • Following its discovery, Ameghino gave a comprehensive description of Phorusrhacos and corrected his previous error by classifying it as a bird. - this directly states he changed his mind following the skull and heavily implies causality, but according to Buffetaut the timing is uncertain and he only presents the skull as a plausible catalyst for it.
    • Done
  • In 1895 and 1896, Ameghino and Moreno sold much of their respective fossil collections to the Natural History Museum of London.[5] - Buffetaut (your only citation here) makes no mention of Moreno selling his collection. Given Moreno's collection was that of the museum, I'm pretty sure this is just wrong. Instead you should mention Moreno leaving the museum due to its incorporation into the university, which Buffetaut identifies as his exit from the story.
    • Done
  • Many European naturalists did not study Ameghino's or Moreno's taxa, especially their phorusrhacids, on account of their confusing taxonomy.[1] - this is highly liberal source use of a primary source. Lydekker isn't objectively documenting a phenomenon of Europeans ignoring their taxa, he's insulting them in a flowery fashion. He most certainly never says they especially ignore their phorusrhacids, merely comparing them to Argentinian mammal taxonomy being "disheartening" and "repulsive" to European students. Either cut this sentence entirely or present a better citation for it.
    • Done

I'm not going to oppose right away without giving the chance to work out these issues, but I have significant reservations that this article is at Featured Article level if this section is representative of the article as a whole. Many of these issues are minor, but they add up and both the several counts of misrepresenting sources and completely missing ICZN case are both major red flags. LittleLazyLass (Talk | Contributions) 20:21, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

This was definitely the hardest part of the article to write and was not representative of the rest of the article, in my opinion. I redid and drafted this section several times and had some difficulty working with Spanish sources. I will implement these suggestions and try to improve the factual integrity of this part of the article. AFH (talk) 14:47, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

Nick-D

I'll focus my comments to the military history element of this article, which is what I'm best placed to comment on:

• "Sherman, who had just captured Atlanta,[22] decided to pursue the coastal city of Savannah with a unit of 62,000 troops" - the grammar is off here, and this is not professional quality writing as it needlessly over-simplifies things (how the decision to march for Savannah was made and what the Union army comprised)
  • I added some more detail but I don't think it's quite enough. When this article underwent a peer review, a few months back, someone suggested I prune the section on the march itself considerably.
    • This looks good now, and is a good summary of a complicated campaign. Nick-D (talk) 10:01, 12 October 2026 (UTC)
• The other two paras in this section are much better.
  • Thank you.
• "became Sherman's unofficial theme song" - theme song seems a modern term and concept that is unlikely to have applied to Sherman
  • I replaced this with "became closely associated with Sherman".
• ""Marching Through Georgia" does not share the same popularity in the nation's other half" - this applies Civil War era geography to the modern US, which seems rather meaningless given many of the current states didn't exist then
  • Yes, I just wrote "the South" instead.
• The examples given to support the song's supposed dire reputation in the modern south are all over 100 years old. Does this still represent modern views given that views of the Confederacy have evolved a lot over time? (for instance, how is it perceived by African Americans in the South given the March to the Sea helped destroy slavery?) Nick-D (talk) 09:59, 9 October 2026 (UTC)
  • The trouble is that those are the most recent examples I could find. Wherever possible, I've made it clear that the South has traditionally disliked the song.
    • I don't think that the wording, which is generally in the current tense across the article, communicates that. I've commented on this further below. Nick-D (talk) 10:01, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

Hello Nick-D! I feel honoured to have an enthusiast (or, unless I'm mistaken, an expert) of military history look at my little article, and of course, I agree with pretty much everything you've said. But I'll talk in more length tomorrow, after I've gotten my dose of sleep. DannyRogers800 (talk) 16:41, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

To be more helpful here, I'll have a crack at a full review:

• The first sentence (or at least the first para) of the lead should include the date this song was written
• " Its reputation has also floundered in the South" - I'm a bit doubtful about presenting this as a current fact without a specific source attesting to this - the most recent source cited for this statement is 31 years old
• "Marching Through Georgia" was his most fruitful work yet" - the grammar is a bit off here, and this seems unclear. I suspect that you could omit this sentence, or move it elsewhere.
• "Work does not write" - should be in past tense
• The sentence starting with 'Edwin Tribble opines that' is rather complex and could be split into two sentences
• "Accordingly, Sigmund Spaeth advises readers not to sing or play Work's composition to a Southerner" - this dates from 1948 but is being used to support a statement from a 1995 work
• "Three incidents at Democratic National Conventions illustrate Georgia's contempt for the song" - as above, this is ancient history and needs to be reworked to present it as such. Race relations and views of the Confederacy were obviously very different back then.
• Note h should be integrated into the body of the article
• From looking for recent additional sources, the Google Books excerpt indicates that this book has some material about black musicians using the song to mock whites and this article notes that a Georgian audience was receptive to the song in the 1970s, putting this in the context of changing views towards the Confederacy in this period (the latter is from a student but peer reviewed journal, so might be marginal as a reliable source, but seems illustrative). Nick-D (talk) 09:53, 12 October 2026 (UTC)

These are good suggestions, I think. I'll catch up with them soon once I finish some other things on Wikipedia. DannyRogers800 (talk) 18:51, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

@Nick-D I think I've addressed everything, except that I can't access the first book you mentioned. See what you feel about my treatment of the song's reputation in the South. DannyRogers800 (talk) 22:58, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Eddie

I would like to offer a full review, time allowing, after Nick has had his say. Feel free to ping me. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 17:54, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Image review - pass

Hi Gonzo fan2007 and BeanieFan11, happy to do the image review. It didn't work out with the last nomination, so let's hope for a better outcome this time. I don't think much has changed relating to the images. The article contains the following images:

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Carl_Zoll,_1920.png

  PD

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Carl_Zoll_first_defeat_newspaper.jpg

  PD

• https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:The_1919_Green_Bay_Packers.jpg

  PD

All images are relevant to the article and placed in appropriate locations. They have alt-texts and captions. Phlsph7 (talk) 10:18, 11 October 2026 (UTC)

MSincccc

• @Epicgenius: I've taken a look and made a few revisions to the prose.

While I am busy this week with schoolwork and other commitments, I might return to do a full review later. Good luck with the nomination. MSincccc (talk) 03:32, 7 October 2026 (UTC)

750h

I'll take a look. 750h+ 16:15, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

lead

• it was built between 1938 and 1939 ==> "it was built in 1938 and 1939"
  • I changed it to "from 1938 to 1939" to emphasize that the year range is inclusive. "In 1938 and 1939", to me, would be better for multiple structures built in 1938 and in 1939. - EG
• It was hosting 100 conferences a year suggests it was hosting exactly this number of conferences a year, when the article body states it "hosted up to 100 conferences a year"
  • Done. - EG
• Would "mezzanine" be worth linking?
  • Done. - EG

site

• No problems here

• architecture
• Present tense is used for the preceding sentences, but this one uses past tense: "The radiating wings contrasted with"
  • Fixed - Johnson Wax still exists, too. - EG
• in which separate rooms appeared to blend with one another "with one another" is redundant
  • Removed. - EG
• Wright referred to the living room as a "wigwam", given how the chimney's rooftop I think this would work better as "Wright referred to the living room as a "wigwam", as the chimney's rooftop"
  • Done. - EG
• while the fifth fireplace is on the mezzanine level per above, would "mezzanine" be worth linking?
  • Done. - EG

history

• Legend has it that a white dove perched on the house before flying away, foreshadowing the fact that "the young mistress will never live in this house".[9][56] is this part needed? I don't know, it feels kind of trivial
  • Yeah, you're right. I removed it. - EG
• Johnson's children were initially hesitant to move to the house but eventually became fond of it; Sam likened it to a spaceship.[52] Sam Johnson recalled that, after the family moved to Wind Point, "I thought my friends would never find me, but they would all get on their bikes and come out here and we'd have a wonderful time." Should "Sam Johnson" be changed to "He" as he's mentioned in the last sentence?
  • Done. - EG
• Among the modifications that did take place were the addition of restrooms,[31][33] the conversion of the garage into offices, and the conversion of the playroom into a conference room. ==> "Among the modifications were the addition of restrooms and the conversions of the garage into offices and the playroom into a conference room."
  • Done, with slightly different wording. - EG
• Paffrath continued to lead Wingspread and the Johnson Foundation until 1980,[118] at which point University of Oregon president I would change "at which point" to "when"
  • Done. - EG
• conferences were moved to an outbuilding called the House "the" in "the House" is not capitalized here but is in the "Site" section. I assume they refer to the same "House"?
  • Indeed they do. I fixed it. - EG

management

• Should "Johnson Foundation" be bolded? I'm not really sure about the rules surrounding bolding
  • Per WP:BOLDREDIR, yes, as Johnson Foundation does (at the moment) redirect here. - EG

impact

• The word "writer" is used quite a lot in the "Reception" section. Maybe some could be replaced with "critic" or "journalist"?
  • Done. - EG
• said in 2011 that "On a bright and warm "On" should be lowercase
  • Done. - EG
• Its hearth and oversized chimney inspired that in another house on Kiawah Island, South Carolina.[171] and the Museum of Modern Art in New York owns an architectural model of the building.[172] I think the first full stop should be a comma?
  • Done. - EG

@Epicgenius: that's all I got, thanks for the article (feel free to reject suggestions with justification). I have an open FAC for a Mariah Carey song, which would appreciate a review if you can. Best, 750h+ 15:27, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

• @750h+: Thanks for the review. I've addressed all the comments you've raised. I can probably take a look at your FAC next week. Epicgenius (talk) 16:02, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

MSincccc

• @Phoenix: I might not be able to do a full review, but I have made a few minor revisions to the article. I hope you have a fine journey. Best, MSincccc (talk) 18:27, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

RandomEdits

Drive by comment: I changed the dmy ref format to mdy since this is a US ship, per MOS:DATETIES; feel free to revert if I missed something there. I will do a source review for this this week, but first you've got a ref errors in your ref and notes sections. RandomEditsForWhenIRemember (talk) 20:53, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

I had it in DMY as that’s what MILHIST uses. I’ll be reverting it back. And I will fix those stupid errors 🤦‍♀️ Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 21:26, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Fixed those errors! They frustrate me, lol! Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 21:53, 5 October 2026 (UTC)

Image review

• Some images are missing alt text
• Accommodation_plans_of_USCGC_Dione.png: the tagging used is for when the artwork itself is the subject of commentary - that doesn't appear to be the case here?
• File:3-inch_23-caliber_gun_aboard_USS_SC-291.jpg: when and where was this first published?
• File:Convoy_in_WWII_off_North_Carolina.jpg: source link is dead. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:46, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

• Done.
• Oops! Is there something better it would fit under?

• Suggest a generic fair use tag.

Nikkimaria (talk) 02:47, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

• Applied "Non-free in US", is that acceptable?

• https://www.subchaser.org/deck-gun-323-caliber-sc-291. Says it was "purchased in Chicago in 1959 by a resident of Minnesota." It is tagged US PB and has been uploaded here since 2011.

• Why is it believed to be PD? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:47, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

Unsure. I can remove this from the article, it’s not really if you wish. I’ll be replacing it with this image of her sister ship’s gun. Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 09:58, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

Replaced. Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 11:20, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

• I have found a few copies of it online with reverse image search. https://picryl.com/media/convoy-in-wwii-off-north-carolina-19ff95, ex. Image was also uploaded in 2011 and credited to US Navy, tagged PB.

Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 01:09, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria apologies for the ping, but are the issues you raised adequately addressed? Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 11:23, 8 October 2026 (UTC)

Yes. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:50, 8 October 2026 (UTC)

Great. Thank you for doing the image review! Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 12:04, 9 October 2026 (UTC)

Nick-D

I thought that this article was in excellent shape when I reviewed its A-class nomination. From having read it over again, I'm happy to support promotion to FA class as well. This is a professional-grade article. Nick-D (talk) 06:12, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you Nick, I greatly appreciate it. Sorry the A-Class review went so haywire. Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 09:56, 6 October 2026 (UTC)

Stikkyy

• The cutter was placed in reserve for about a year before being sold as a supply ship in March 1964. – March 1964 not supported.

• Typo, fixed to February.

• I think that the last paragraph in the lead can be trimmed significantly, right now, the play-by-play of her ownership is being provided the same consideration as the ship being gutted by fire.

• Fixed. Appropriate?

• Mounted on the bow was a 3-inch/23-caliber gun supplied by a magazine located in the keel. – The entirety of the keel? Or, as I assume, in the keel below the bow?

• Below the bow, fixed.

• The timeframe of "September 1942–1944" seems very barebones, although I suppose it is possible that there's simply nothing there.

• Yeah, basically nothing.

• There's a shakedown cruise associated with the February 1951 recommissioning, and it seems, another shakedown associated with the March 1952 arrival at Freeport. What happened in between to cause this?

• Unknown.

• Similarly, in the infobox, her service resumes in 1952 despite 1951 being provided as her recommissioning date.

• Oops. Fixed.

• It seems like the Axtell J. Byles was not sunk by the attack?

• Loss can refer to a ship merely damaged. Edited

• I'm having trouble reconciling The convoys began to run at night following the loss of Axtell J. Byles. Dione began patrolling around the Wimble Shoals Buoy after her escort missions were finished, beginning demolition exercises on the wreck of Axtell J. Byles on 25 April. She would continue dropping depth charges for the next few days. with The Axtell J. Byles arrived to Hampton Roads under her own power in the evening and was repaired. Stikkyy (talk) 17:02, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

• Appears to be my misreading of the source. I've fixed.

• Regarding c:File:Dione depth charges.png, the Coast Guard page states – Most of the historical photos were donated by Seaman 1/c Harrison Ochs, USCGR. I'm not sure if the provided PD tag is as clear-cut of a case as it seems? Unless I see a NARA or NHHC label attached to it, I think that there is the possibility of the photographer acting in their capacity as a private individual, personally I tend to shy away from using images released from private collections in my articles ... @Nikkimaria:

• See below. Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 11:34, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Stikkyy (talk) 21:00, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

I see what you're saying, but since it is published on an official site and doesn't have an alternative copyright statement attached, I'm inclined to give it the benefit of the doubt. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:26, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

UC

• The amendment banned the "manufacture, sale, or transportation" of most alcohol : nitpicking, but I assume we mean to say "alcoholic drinks" or similar. Prohibition didn't outlaw industrial uses of alcohol (e.g. as solvents or steriliser), and of course we mean ethanol rather than methanol, glycerol etc.

• Changed to "most alcoholic drinks".

• she was a member of the 125-foot (38 m) Active-class patrol boats : this has got lost somewhere: she was a member of the patrol boats? Suggest "Active class of patrol boats".

• Added "of" and linked the class.

• the Coast Guard was overwhelmed by the volume of smugglers : I think either the volume of smuggling or the number of smugglers, unless we mean that the smugglers were individually very overweight.

• Yes, fixed.

• Does U.S. have dots in it? It doesn't in the article text but does in some of the sources.

• All instances of "US" have become "United States".

• Alongside its normal duties, the Coast Guard shifted to impose a blockade along 5,000 miles (8,000 km) of American coastline: this comes in an odd place: I assume it predates the sentence before: by 1924, the Coast Guard was overwhelmed by the volume of smugglers and struggled to intercept more than five percent of the flow of alcohol.? Or did they get overwhelmed before even trying to put up a blockade? Separately, it might help to have a sense of the sort of resources/ships/personnel the USCG was working with at this time.

• I've moved the sentences around, lmk if it works. @User:GGOTCC can handle the specifics; he wrote that part.

• Alongside its normal duties: I think it's worth being explicit about what those are/were.

• Done.

• new patrol boats and destroyers—which had formerly been operated by the United States Navy: there's quite a lot of ambiguities here, which could do with bing resolved. New boats as in newly built, or boats/ships released from USN service to the USCG? Did the USN no longer operate patrol boats and/or destroyers?

• My copy of Rum War at Sea mentions submarine chasers leant to the CG by the Navy but I can't see destroyers. Again, I'll defer to GGOTCC.

• In the 1920s, the Coast Guard began to build purpose-built patrol boats: I'm not sure how this gels with them having "new patrol boats" earlier. But then the dates are confusing, since we've been in the 1920s the whole time. Did this start before or after 1924?

• Again, GGOTCC thing.

• The 165-foot (50 m) "B"-class, named for the cutters' overall length and : they had an overall length of "B"? I'm assuming here that the point is that the USCG wanted cutters in two sizes, the As at 125ft and the Bs at 165.

• Noo! I explain it in the footnote... the Thetis class was referred to as the 165-foot "B" class to differentiate it from the 165-foot "A" class, which referred to the Algonquin class.

• In that case, we need to rephrase what we have in the body: the name "B" isn't a reference to length, even if the categorisation as B rather than A might have been based on length.

• Is the new edit acceptable to explain that?

• the Active class' experiences: MOS:' prefers "class's".

• Done.

• Hull number 277, listed as patrol boat 13,: these both seem to be proper nouns, so they should be capitalised.

• Neither is.

• I see Hull number 277, listed as patrol boat 13, was built by... . If it's not a proper noun (ie, if we're talking about the number), how can it be built? On the other hand, if we're talking about the ship designated by that number, it's a proper noun. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 06:37, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

• How about: "The new ship, patrol boat 13,  was given the hull number 277. She was built by the Manitowoc Shipbuilding Corporation in Manitowoc, Wisconsin, and would later be named Dione." Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 11:22, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

  Capitals on "Patrol Boat 13", surely -- that's a proper noun? But the rest looks good. UndercoverClassicist ^T·C 15:33, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

  Done. Phoenix ‣ _Talk // ^{Contributions} 15:42, 15 October 2026 (UTC)