Problem with LibreOffice

Over several years I have written a large (> 60MB) .odt file using LibreOffice, with a lot of diagrams to the right adjacent to truncated lines of text to the left. A month or so ago, LibreOffice was unable to open the file (too big? inadequate computer? who knows?) but OpenOffice could, whereupon I split it into four portions, which LibreOffice can now open. But the portions have a specific formatting error which I've not been able to fix. Most, but not all, of the diagrams are now away from their text and have white space all the way to the left margin. Attempting to put them back alongside the text just moves the problem, with nothing to the left of the diagram. Living with this would involve quite a lot of rewriting, and the document would be much longer than wanted in a vertical sense. Can someone suggest a way of restoring the original format? ~2026-55003-48 (talk) 11:53, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Before mucking with OpenOffice, I would try: Open LibreOffice in safe mode and try to open the file. If that works, you have a bad user registry. If not, open LibreOffice, go into Tools>Options>Libreoffice>Memory and increase anything having to do with memory before opening the file. By default, LibreOffice won't us all your memory, so you have to give it permission to do so. If that doesn't work, go to Tools>Options>Libreoffice>View and disable hardware acceleration before opening the file. It is possible it is a display issue. If you get the file open, I strongly suggest compressing every image in the file. A common mistake is to put high resolution images in a file and scale them on the page, which does not reduce the size of the image file stored within the document. I also suggest learning how to use master documents. You make a master document which contains other documents. Then, as an example, every chapter can be a separate file, but the master document shows them as one single document. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 12:01, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

No doubt all good advice, but having now got my quarter-files via OpenOffice I wasn't planning on using it again. Whether or not the images get compressed, within LibreOffice is there a way to rectify the effect I described, and put them alongside the relevant text? ~2026-55003-48 (talk) 14:11, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

To answer my own question, setting Wrap Before in the image properties seems to work. ~2026-55003-48 (talk) 15:00, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

The use of "ю" as a symbol for the exponent in some Soviet versions of ALGOL

Our article Scientific notation claims that

The ALGOL 60 (1960) programming language uses a subscript ten "₁₀" [between the significand and the exponent of a number written in scientific notation], for example: 6.0221023. This presented a challenge for computer systems which did not provide such a character, so ALGOL W (1966) replaced the symbol by a single quote, e.g. 6.022'+23, and some Soviet ALGOL variants allowed the use of the Cyrillic letter "ю", e.g. 6.022ю+23. Subsequently, the ALGOL 68 programming language provided a choice of characters: E, e, \, ⊥, or ₁₀. The ALGOL "₁₀" character was included in the Soviet GOST 10859 text encoding (1964), and was added to Unicode 5.2 (2009) as U+23E8 ⏨ DECIMAL EXPONENT SYMBOL.

The part I have a question about is Soviet Algol variants allowing "ю" to be used for this purpose. This was originally added by NevilleDNZ in 2017 in special:diff/774402196, and I expect it is probably correct. But it has never had a source.

Since I don't read Russian, it's hard for me to track down sources about this. Can anyone find a source for this claim? –jacobolus (t) 03:43, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Aaccording to Google search, the Russian translation of the ALGOL 60 Report on Math-Net.Ru, "Сообщение об алгоритмическом языке АЛГОЛ-60" would confirm this. However, when trying to access this translation I get a timeout. It is quite conceivable – even likely – if it has been digitized, that the claimed "ю" is a scanno for ₁₀.  ​‑‑Lambiam 10:15, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

@Lambiam: - the link worked for me. I have reuploaded it to Dropbox at this public url. Please let me know when you have it, so that I can delete the Dropbox copy. ~2026-56016-87 (talk) 15:42, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Got it, thank you. I've added it to my private repository of ALGOL 60 Reports.  ​‑‑Lambiam 17:59, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

The difference between the bitmap text of the scan and its OCR version (in the table in 2.5.2 on page 314) seems to confirm your scanno suspicion. ~2026-56016-87 (talk) 15:51, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

That seems to be just a straightforward translation of the English report, which doesn't (as far as I can tell, as a non-reader of Russian) describe anything specific to Soviet ALGOL implementations. I think we'd need something like a reference manual for the specific one(s) using ю, or maybe some kind of document comparing different varieties of ALGOL, but I don't know how to find such a thing. –jacobolus (t) 18:41, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Here is the relevant part from the PDF (File:Algol-number-examples.jpeg):

It's definitely '10', not a Cyryllic letter 'ю' there. --CiaPan (talk) 16:11, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

See also Russian Wikipedia ru:Алгол#Числа (Algol # Language properties # Data types # Numbers), which mentions the subscript '10' but no 'ю' character in the floating-point number exponential notation. --CiaPan (talk) 13:01, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Saved edit summaries

I'm not sure if this is something my pc has decided to do, or something Wikipedia has decided to do. Edge running on Win11. Monobook (global pref). I used to be able to start typing an edit summary, and previous edit summaries that started with the same letters were offered for me to click on and use. This no longer happens in article space and Wikipedia space. It does still happen in Template space, and indeed it offers me summaries I've used in all spaces. It would be very helpful to get this happening again in article space. Any ideas? Thank you, DuncanHill (talk) 22:29, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

I can report that such suggestions are still offered to me, also for article-edit summaries. Perhaps the good people at the WP:TECHPUMP know more.  ​‑‑Lambiam 22:16, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Floppy disk sleeves

Being older than dirt, I recall a time of not just floppy disks, but floppy floppy disks. These usually got sold with a sleeve to help protect the contents from dirt and moisture, etc. Many were simply white paper, but some were composed of something paper-like, but which had a kind of fabric within it. I think the two diskettes at the front of this image are of that type. What is it? I don't think I've ever seen it used elsewhere. It had a pleasant, soft, feel compared to plain paper. Pinging User:JIP as they are the uploader and have contributed here often. Matt Deres (talk) 00:55, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Tyvek? —Antonissimo (talk) 02:41, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Matt Deres (talk) 00:55, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

• I no longer have that box of floppy disks, but as far as I can remember, yes, they were floppy floppy disks, where both the actual disk (round) and the protective coating (square) are bendable and not rigid. And yes, they were sold with a protective paper sleeve, which was little else than a simple paper sleeve to put the disk into to prevent dust and dirt getting on the actual disk. JIP | Talk 06:17, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

My recollection of 5¼-inch floppies was that they came in a paper sleeve, but it had a slightly waxy texture - water resistant I suppose. Google AI says they were "typically made from heavy-duty paper, cardstock, or thin anti-static plastics like polyethylene or DuPont Tyvek," citing this page in solidarity Chuntuk (talk) 10:49, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Many were coated to reduce static. The coating could be anything from a wax coating to a latex coating to a clay coating, depending on what was cheapest as the paper sleeve was not the product being sold. I think the issue here is that the sleeves shown in the image here are card stock. They are not the flimsy white paper sleeves with that mottled semi-gloss appearance. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 11:15, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

No, what I'm talking about is more than a coating; the "paper" itself had fibre in it. I think Antonissimo is right and they were tyvek; an image search for tyvek floppy disk sleeve confirms it. Matt Deres (talk) 16:02, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

Tyvek is likely, but pulp paper, such as the paper used in LP sleeves, is fibrous as well. I know what you are referring to. It is like the "paper" used for money, which is actually mostly cotton. But, the shiny surface leads more towards pulp paper. It used to be called rice paper, which is a misnomer. It is made from long-fiber pulp (like mulberry). ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 16:42, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

No, it's not really like the material used for "paper" money, though it does have that softness to it. The fibers are much larger and clearly visible. Matt Deres (talk) 01:43, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Should picture URLs include file extensions?

I've written a web application using HTML, CSS, JavaScript, Node.js and Express. I'm looking for advice on URL design for pictures in my application.

Currently, the implementation works as follows:

• backend generates SVG avatars for given IDs and converts uploaded images to WebP
• backend generates picture URLs: /avatar/{id}.svg for automatically generated avatars and /media/{id}.webp for user-uploaded images
• server.js defines the corresponding routes: /avatar/:id.svg and /media/:id.webp
• the file format is already unambiguous from the endpoint and its implementation, even without an extension: /avatar/{id} would still refer to an SVG generated by the avatar handler, while /media/{id} would refer to a WebP image served by the media handler, and the server can communicate the actual format through the HTTP Content-Type header

Would you recommend keeping file extensions in these URLs or switching to extensionless, format-independent URLs? ~2026-56849-00 (talk) 22:24, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

I'd keep the file extensions. The format may be unambiguous given the URL, but when downloaded, the disambiguating path segment is stripped off of the file name.  ​‑‑Lambiam 08:00, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

full blood transfusion

"By 1980, the rock and roll lifestyle had supposedly altered Lemmy’s DNA. Concerned about his health, he sought a full blood transfusion. After running tests, the doctor reportedly stopped the procedure, claiming that Lemmy’s blood had become so acclimatized to a steady stream of alcohol and amphetamines that “fresh, healthy human blood” would send his system into fatal shock. He was, quite literally, a self-sustaining ecosystem of rock and roll toxicity."

Wait, what? Full blood transfusion, is that a thing? And it's something you make an appointment for, rather than an ER procedure? Like taking your car for an oil change, they replace all your old blood with new(er) blood? Does the old blood get recycled like motor oil? I couldn't find anything about it in the blood transfusion article. Please tell me that this is a legend, thanks. ~2026-55120-59 (talk) 19:55, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Added: ah ok, Lemmy's biographical article also mentions that story. It cites an article saying Keith Richards had already undergone the procedure, heh. This is way better than those lame Chuck Norris jokes. ~2026-55120-59 (talk) 20:04, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Resolved

This appears to be a musical version of a Chuck Norris Fact. ~2026-55120-59 (talk) 20:36, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Is this a lake or just part of a swamp?

Recently I've been working on expanding Agu Swamp, a wetlands in Uganda. In the middle of it is Lake Agu (see image), which doesn't seem to be in any sort of geography database. It's not mentioned on List of lakes in Uganda (or the Swahili version), or in GeoNames (note that the Agu stream is a completely different body of water). It's located roughly at 1°28′44″N 33°41′6″E / 1.47889°N 33.68500°E / 1.47889; 33.68500 - OpenStreetMap shows the area as wetlands (no lake) and Google Maps calls it an extension of Lake Kyoga.

That being said, it is named as "Lake Agu" in a few places. The Convention on Biological Diversity names it in this article, as well as this article published in the African Journal of Ecology, and Uganda's Freshwater Biodiversity Portal has an entry for it here.

So, does this actually count as a lake (and thus should be added to the relevant lists)? Personally I don't see why it wouldn't, but I find it incredibly odd no map or geography database has mentioned it yet.

Apologies if this sounds ridiculous (especially since you can see a large body of water right there on the satellite image) - I don't usually edit geography articles so I'm not sure if this is actually a lake that just never got mentioned, or if it's just considered part of the swamp and not its own lake. Tymewalk (talk) 21:49, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

The Banana River is not a river, either, but it's categorized as such. And Cape Cod is not a cape, it's a peninsula. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:02, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Reliable sources do treat it as a lake, specifically one of the Kyoga satellite lakes. Uganda's national freshwater biodiversity portal lists Lake Agu as a waterbody in its own right, and the fisheries summary The fisheries of Lake Victoria names it directly, calling lakes protected from human encroachment "such as Lake Agu (among the Kyoga satellite lakes)" very valuable for biodiversity conservation. That portal is also the source behind the species list already on Agu Swamp.

The absence from GeoNames and OSM looks like a data gap rather than evidence against the lake. GeoNames carries the neighbouring satellite lakes - Lake Nakuwa, Lake Nawampasa and Lake Lemwa - but for Agu only a populated place and a stream, the former within a couple of kilometres of your coordinates. The lake itself was simply never entered.

The lake/wetland overlap is expected in this basin: the Kyoga satellite lakes are shallow and papyrus-fringed, sitting inside larger swamps, so a wetland map shows wetland while a drainage map shows a lake. On the editorial question, if sources of that weight call it a lake, I would list it as one, with a sentence noting it is a satellite lake of the Kyoga system. ~2026-55273-80 (talk) 09:49, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. It looks like the situation with those satellite lakes is relatively similar to Lake Agu (particularly Lake Nakuwa, which is mentioned as part of its surrounding wetlands on the page Lake Nakuwa Wetland System). However, I will note that I am the one who added those links to Agu Swamp, and only after expanding the page did I begin questioning whether or not this is actually a lake. Tymewalk (talk) 17:10, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Short description on Phosphorus

The article's short description displayed on my search results says that it's a "Chemical compound." I want to fix it, but I don't know how the shortdesc is generated. Bayahiu (talk) 01:32, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

It would help if you explained what "my search results" refers to. That could be in Wikipedia. It could be on Google. It could be on Bing. It could be an item on ChatGPT or Gemini. It could be a post-it note left on your desk... ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 11:01, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

My search results in Wikipedia, specifically. Bayahiu (talk) 11:01, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

For background see Wikipedia:Short description. The phosphorus issue should have been fixed by now. --Wrongfilter (talk) 11:14, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

(ec) It's the first line of the article: {{Short description|Chemical element}} Just change "Chemical element" to whatever you want the short description to be. I don't think you'll be able to see this line if you are using the Visual Editor. Meters (talk) 11:16, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

That first line was added after the question was posed. It was added to override the earlier, erroneous short description. But where did this earlier description come from, and where was it seen? When I search for "Phosphorus" on a mobile device, I see "Chemical element with atomic number 16 (P)", which, I think, is generated by the transclusion of {{Infobox element}}. This does not correspond to either of the short descriptions mentioned above.  ​‑‑Lambiam 13:52, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

I want to see where that short description came from as well. When the question was asked, I looked at the article, saw no short description, and wondered what the OP was asking about specifically. It seems there is some logic to generate a short description if it is missing. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 14:00, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

It's pulled from Wikidata by default. A lot of the Wikidata data seems to be either ill suited for a short description or, um.... questionable. -- Avocado (talk) 15:48, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

I think that the default comes from Wikidata. Often, the one at the top of the article is the same. If you look at the bottom of articles, you'll see hidden categories like eg "Short description is different from Wikidata": as Phosphorus is now following the recent edit. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:48, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

The Wikidata entry does not and did not contain the words "Chemical compound". It does have the English description "chemical element with symbol P and atomic number 15".  ​‑‑Lambiam 05:30, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Yes, I went to the Wikidata entry, and also checked its history, it did not contain "Chemical compound". I have checked {{Infobox phosphorus}}, but I couldn't find that text. This makes me wonder. Bayahiu (talk) 05:48, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

It turns out that {{Infobox element}} does have the master for short descriptions of elements, unlike most other articles. The code is<includeonly>{{short description|{{#ifexpr:({{{Z|0}}}>=119)|Theoretical chemical|Chemical}} element with atomic number {{{Z|}}} ({{{symbol|}}})}}</includeonly> Each element artilce includes, at the top of their source code the hidden note <!---Article imports short description from infobox, do not override--->, which as of this recent edit was changed by User:Avocado. In a moment, I'll remove that change and see what happens. I don't think it will revert to "Chemical compound", and I don't know where that came from. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:45, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

It displays the usual "Chemical element with..." now. Bayahiu (talk) 11:52, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Agreed. I think your "Chemical compound" is going to remain a mystery! Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:56, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Okay, that's really weird. I didn't check the article history at the time because I was in a hurry, but at the time I thought someone else had changed it a fraction of a second after I did. Because after my edit the shortdesc did not appear as Chemical element but rather something to the effect of Element with atomic number 15 (P). Something incredibly strange was going on with that short description sourcing and rendering. -- Avocado (talk) 12:13, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Right. The shortdesc appeared as "Element with atomic number 15 (P)" rather than just "Chemical element" even before Mike removed your shortdesc. Bayahiu (talk) 12:17, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

TBF, it was a Thursday. -- Avocado (talk) 12:21, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

Fabulon

I have removed this tradename from the article Polychlorinated Biphenyl as needlessly alarmist. The name is currently applied to several consumer products readily available in Australia, namely an aid to ironing of clothes, and a polyurethane floor sealant, neither of which (presumably) contain PCBs. Doug butler (talk) 00:16, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

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Quick note: the sentence you removed did carry a source that names the product. It cited Rudel, Seryak & Brody (2008), Environmental Health 7:2 (PMID 18201376). That case study says a resident in one home had "used a floor finish called Fabulon on hardwood floors throughout the 1950s and 1960s", and it traces the PCB content to a 1957 Gleason et al. reference listing for a Fabulon floor finish. Two limits come with it: it is a two-home case study, and the authors say they did not confirm that the floors were the source. So the tradename holds as a sourced, attributed example, but not as a general claim that the brand contains PCBs. You are right that the products using the name in Australia today are a different line. Keeping "wood floor finishes" while naming Fabulon only as the reported case would sit well with that source. AudriaVere (talk) 04:32, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Liver toxins

An acquaintance died of cholangiocarcinoma today. Based on his recent behaviour and mental condition, medical staff had recently told his family that they believed that the cancer had become sufficiently widespread in his liver that the liver was releasing toxins that were reaching the brain.

I find this a bit confusing. Should I understand that these are toxins naturally present in his food that the liver is supposed to remove, and the liver was simply letting them out because the cancer was overwhelming it? (Since it's bile duct cancer, not liver cancer, I don't suppose the tumours were themselves producing toxic quantities, or toxic types, of bile.) Or if not, is it possible to say what likely caused the situation described by the medical staff? Google searches aren't particularly helpful. Nyttend (talk) 09:43, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Hepatic encephalopathy. Abductive (reasoning) 11:15, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Most and least endemic specific

I'm going to express darkly, but the question is serious.

If aliens were to wipe all life from Madagascar, Dozens and dozens of species would be wiped out in the wild. OTOH, if Aliens were to do the same to the US state of Wisconsin, I don't think that any species would be wiped out. Is there any sort of way to measure most and least "precious" areas in that regards. I am guessing least precious" (large areas with the same species would be Antarctica, north Asia, north central North America, and the Sahara.)Naraht (talk) 11:59, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Stygobromus putealis is the only species that I know of that solely found in Wisconsin. I am certain there are others, but the issue will be that it is rather simple a lifeform to leave Wisconsin and much more difficult to leave Madagascar. And I didn't even think of plants. There is certainly some plant that is only in Wisconsin. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 12:07, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

The Millennium Seed Bank and the National Center for Genetic Resources Preservation make it difficult to find a plant ONLY in Wisconsin. Any plant of any kind that is known to only exist in Wisconsin is collected and held outside of Wisconsin for preservation. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 13:12, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

"Any" is a bit much. Our article at Millennium Seed Bank Partnership does not suggest that. The US is a partner and may well have deposited seeds from all species found in Wisconsin, but the MSBP is more UK-centric; its stated goal is to have an exhaustive repository of UK plants, not all plants or all US plants. Matt Deres (talk) 00:42, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

(ec) :Stygobromus putealis: What are we, chopped liver? (Also subspecies Tamias striatus doorsiensis) Clarityfiend (talk) 12:09, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Megadiverse countries seems appropriate. Biodiversity and endemicity levels (?) are not the same thing, but that article points out that "The main criterion for megadiverse countries is endemism..." so it provides a bit of a start. Matt Deres (talk) 14:43, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Topic discussed at Endemism#Conservation. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 14:54, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

lb st or lb s.t.

In Greene, Warplanes of WW II, the few jet engines of the time are rated in "lb s.t.".

In other aviation books these engines are rated in "lb st".

Pound-forces to measure the thrust, of course (from where the t), but how the s arose? I guess that were measured in standard conditions, i.e. on a ground-fixed device.

Thanks. ~2026-56087-11 (talk) 15:53, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

"S" means "Static" for "Static Thrust." ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 15:59, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Thanks ~2026-56087-11 (talk) 21:29, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Biology, Chemistry, and Physics being taught in High Schools, but not Astronomy

Why are school subjects, like biology, chemistry, and physics, always taught in high schools, but not other types of science, such as astronomy, ecology, geology, oceanography, and zoology?

I remember this in high school in 2019, when enroll in classes for the first time, it was that I discovered that the subjects that are taught in science, are only 3 of them. I was wondering that if more additional sciences are in the educational curriculum. Furthermore, what I have learned in science classes, could add more subjects, such as applied, material, and political sciences. Plus, attending high school is only for 4 years, and I graduated after this. ~2026-56457-42 (talk) 06:46, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

I think you can theoretically argue that astronomy is an extension (or specialization) of physics, while ecology, geology, oceanography and zoology being specialized fields of biochemistry. 海盐沙冰 _{/ aka irisChronomia / Talk / Uploads} 06:57, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

To say this another way: in order to understand astronomy one first needs to understand basic physics, to systematically explore living beings across different biospheres one first need to know about how animals and plants work.

An interesting note is that in Mainland China, geography is part of the junior highschool curriculum. 海盐沙冰 _{/ aka irisChronomia / Talk / Uploads} 07:07, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

Astronomy is part of physics, ecology and zoology are part of biology, geology and oceanography are part of geography (at least for school purposes). Physics, biology and geography are normal school subjects in most countries. I don't know about your country though; you didn't mention where you are. School systems vary widely. PiusImpavidus (talk) 08:55, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

Why is poetry not a class? Because it's not the base field. Also, qualified astronomy high school teachers don't grow on trees. (Mind you, my sister's high school science teacher told her that friction was perpendicular to the direction of motion.) Clarityfiend (talk) 11:56, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

From a practical point of view, a lack of basic understanding of biology, chemistry, or physics might kill you. The same is unlikely to be true of astronomy. Which is not to say that some astronomy should not be taught in schools, but it may help explain priorities. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:07, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

I think we need to teach "history of science and pseudoscience" in school, then. 海盐沙冰 _{/ aka irisChronomia / Talk / Uploads} 13:10, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

I wouldn't disagree, though I suspect any such proposal would run into a great deal of opposition. AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:32, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

...Good that we have Wikipedia as a fallback. 海盐沙冰 _{/ aka irisChronomia / Talk / Uploads} 13:35, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

Also the law of supply and demand applies. It's hard enough to get students to take general science classes. One that provides even less future job potential just isn't going to draw them in. Clarityfiend (talk) 13:23, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

High school covers more general topics. In college / university, you get more specifics. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:41, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

High school is not only general, but highly limited. There is an old representation of that that has been copied many times (everyone claims they came up with it). Make a tiny dot on a piece of paper. If the paper is all possible knowledge, that tiny dot is what you learn in high school. Draw a tight circle around it. That is the knowledge you gain in a four-year college degree. Make a smudge next to the dot. That is a specialization focus for a masters degree. Now, draw a line all the way to the edge of the paper. That point where it touches the edge and a few bits of graphite hang off the edge... that's the PhD. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 13:58, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

Within that first dot are microdots, which are the things you learn in elementary school and middle school. It's all a "layering" process. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:08, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

Physics and chemistry serve as the foundation for other scientific disciplines, providing the universal principles that govern how matter, energy, atoms, and forces function. Without these fundamentals, it would be impossible to gain a deep understanding of the mechanisms at work in more advanced scientific fields. Stanleykswong (talk) 21:51, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

I remember having the option to study Geology at my school (in the UK in the 1980s), though it wasn't an option that I took up. in solidarity Chuntuk (talk) 20:09, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Geography or geology? Stanleykswong (talk) 09:21, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

Geology is a "hard" natural science that requires a deep grasp of mathematics, chemistry, and physics; geography, by contrast, is relatively more accessible, as it encompasses a broader—and often more superficial—synthesis of both the social and natural sciences. Stanleykswong (talk) 09:27, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

If anyone has refs for these big-three being either the most common or the most fundamental, please add to Science education#Fields of science education could use some help. DMacks (talk) 11:31, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

Measurement of a light wavelength

How was it possible to measure a wavelength of light in the visible spectrum for the first time? Malypaet (talk) 22:17, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

Newton's rings provide a means of determining the wavelength and were known in 1665 - so perhaps the first method. catslash (talk) 22:33, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

But it seems that nobody actually calculated the wavelength until Young did so in 1801 (which seems like quite a lot later). catslash (talk) 22:52, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

Interestingly, Young admits that he did indeed obtain these first experimental values for optical lengths without carrying out a single experiment. He even invites his readers to place all the more confidence in his results precisely because they were deduced from experiments that were neither conceived, nor carried out, within the framework of his own theory. It is actually well known that in his Opticks, Newton extensively described and analysed the coloured rings...

— Morizot, Olivier (2026). "The wavelength of light as Thomas Young invented it". Archive for History of Exact Sciences. 80 (1).

so consider yourself correct for both. fiveby(zero) 23:12, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

Young's observations, in particular his double-slit experiment, presented in the same 1801 paper as his explanation of Newton's rings in terms of wave interference, heralded the beginning of the end of the corpuscular theory of light, which until then had been dominant. Eighteenth-century scientists mostly did not believe light wavelengths were a thing, or else might not want to damage their careers by appearing to be adherents of a fringe theory.  ​‑‑Lambiam 08:47, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Presumably an interference fringe theory... Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:09, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Climate monitoring

Before formation of the Copernicus Climate Change Service in 2014, were there any Europe-based climate monitoring agencies that would publish a monthly and annual global and regional weather summary like how Copernicus Climate Change Service now does? There were NOAA and NASA, but were there any European ones? ECMWF was founded already in 1979, but it has only forecasted anomalies, not observed anomalies. Were there any reports comparable to European State of The Climate until then? --40bus (talk) 21:49, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

There were, in two forms. First, the WMO — an intergovernmental organization headquartered in Geneva — publishes its annual Statement on the status of the World Climate, which details global, regional and national temperatures and extreme weather events; that is the closest analogue to today's European State of the Climate. Second, the Hadley Centre, together with the University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit, has long maintained the HadCRUT global temperature series, with monthly and annual updates issued by the Met Office. On the ECMWF point, the premise is not quite right: ECMWF has produced observation-based reanalyses well before 2014 — ERA-Interim, covering 1979 to 2019, works by integrating historical meteorological observations onto a regularly spaced global grid, so it is built from observed data rather than forecasts. Its successor ERA5 was released as part of the Copernicus Climate Change Service. What changed in 2014 was the packaging — a single service producing press-facing monthly and annual summaries with commentary — not the existence of the underlying observed-data products. --SaoriWalks (talk) SaoriWalks (talk) 00:34, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Were there any other services producing press-facing monthly and annual summaries from Europe with commentary before that? --40bus (talk) 05:47, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Yes, though none packaged quite like Copernicus does now. The clearest examples:

• The WMO (headquartered in Geneva) has published its annual Statement on the Status of the Global Climate well before 2014 — the WMO e-library holds editions for at least 2003, 2005 and 2013 — and each edition was announced with press coverage, e.g. the 2013 statement announced in March 2014 and covered by Reuters and The Guardian with quotes from then secretary-general Michel Jarraud. It covers global, regional and national temperature with commentary, so it is the closest pre-2014 analogue to a press-facing annual summary from a Europe-headquartered body.
• The Met Office issued dated monthly press-facing commentary on global temperatures before 2014, e.g. the "Met Office in the media" blog post of 29 January 2012 (now archived on their site) and the 2013 "recent pause in warming" research news page. The joint Met Office/CRU annual global temperature press releases are the same tradition, e.g. "Data shows 2016 likely to be warmest year yet" (18 January 2017).
• National services such as Germany's DWD and Météo-France publish annual national climate summaries with commentary, but those are regional rather than global. I could not verify a specific dated example today, so take that part as unconfirmed.

What was genuinely new in the Copernicus era was the packaging: a single service producing both monthly and annual press bulletins with commentary on a fixed schedule. Before 2014 the annual summaries were routine (WMO, Met Office), while monthly press-facing commentary was occasional rather than packaged. --SaoriWalks (talk) 09:10, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Another question: Does Canada have any national monthly and annual summary similar to how NOAA has for the US? --40bus (talk) 10:07, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Yes. The Canadian counterpart of NOAA is Environment and Climate Change Canada (ECCC), and its Climate Trends and Variations Bulletin (CTVB) is the direct analogue of NOAA's national reports. Each bulletin summarizes the national average temperature (and precipitation) for the period, sets it in historical context over the full length of the ECCC climate record, and highlights notable regional deviations. Editions are published for each season and for the year as a whole, e.g. the Annual 2024 and Spring 2025 editions are listed on the ECCC website. Unlike NOAA's monthly National Climate Report, the packaged CTVB editions are seasonal and annual rather than monthly; monthly national temperature figures are published as data rather than as a commentary bulletin, though I could not verify the exact historical cadence of the older editions from here, so take that last detail as unconfirmed. --SaoriWalks (talk) 21:55, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Long run behavior of open quantum fields

When a wave function evolves unitarily in an open quantum system, as described in Quantum_decoherence#Loss_of_interference_and_the_transition_from_quantum_to_classical_probabilities; it is quite easy to convince yourself that the system will spend an equal amount of time in each classical state over the long run if the quantum state belongs to a finite dimensional Hilbert space (such as a system of qubits). I assume this would also hold if the classical state is parameterized by a finite number of particle co-ordinates (as in ordinary quantum mechanics), as this justifies the fundamental assumption of statistical mechanics that all microstates are equally probable. But does this property fail to hold when the wave function is over field configurations, as in quantum field theory? ~2026-56897-11 (talk) 14:16, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

Speaking with almost total lack of comprehension of the theoretical background, doesn't the fact that photons manage to keep plodding on for billions of years through noisy space imply that the photon wave function manages to remain coherent also in an open system?  ​‑‑Lambiam 08:52, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Two corrections to the premise first, because the equal-time intuition is doing more work than it can hold. Unitary evolution alone does not imply spending equal time in each classical state - in fact a perfectly unitary flow never equilibrates at all. Unitary evolution on a finite-dimensional Hilbert space is reversible and has no attractors: the state vector simply rotates, and any "time spent in state X" picture only emerges after coupling to an environment (decoherence) plus specific assumptions about the resulting mixture. The equal a priori probability postulate of statistical mechanics is not usually derived from time averages of wave function components either; the standard justification is Liouville's theorem - Hamiltonian flow preserves volume in phase space, so the natural invariant measure on the energy shell is uniform.

On the actual question about fields: yes, the property fails, and for reasons that appear already at the level of the configuration space. The space of field configurations is infinite-dimensional, so there is no normalizable uniform measure over it to average over at all - the well-defined analogues are the Gaussian free-field measures and their interacting deformations, which is the territory of constructive quantum field theory. And even setting that technicality aside, long-run equal exploration typically fails in QFT for physical reasons: theories can decompose into superselection sectors that no unitary evolution connects, gauge theories have topological sectors (see instantons in Yang-Mills theory) between which tunneling is exponentially suppressed, and integrable field theories are famously non-ergodic. So the equal-time property already fails for interacting finite systems in general, and fails even more dramatically for fields. --SaoriWalks (talk) 2026-, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Inverting the Nicolosi map projection

Among the imperfect ways to map locations on a spherical globe onto a flat sheet the Nicolosi projection has historical interest and features a balanced compromise of distortions. Wikipedia's article gives the formula for transforming each (longitude:latitude) globe location to a rectangular (x:y) map coordinate. The formula is in a direct form that is readily calculable with only simple correction needed at the equator and around the edge of the map. I assume that a direct-form inverse of the Nicolosi 2-D transform can exist. (Using Newton's method in 2-D to refine initial guesses is an option but this is a costly iterative approach poorly suited to efficient computer graphics.) The chatbot CoPilot supported my assumption but wimped out on providing the inverse transform. Is there a human mathematician here who will provide the formula?~2026-55298-71 (talk) 14:25, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

Looking with half an eye at the equations, I spot,

${\displaystyle {\begin{aligned}c&={\frac {2\varphi }{\pi }}\\d&={\frac {1-c^{2}}{\sin \varphi -c}}.\end{aligned}}}$

The variable ${\displaystyle c}$ is used solely in the right-hand side of the equation defining ${\displaystyle d.}$ We can therefore eliminate ${\displaystyle c}$ from the equation set and combine these two equations into

${\displaystyle d=f(\varphi )}$

where

${\displaystyle f(\varphi )={\frac {1-{\frac {2\varphi }{\pi }}^{2}}{\sin \varphi -{\frac {2\varphi }{\pi }}}}.}$

It seems to me that inverting the equations in closed form is only possible if this function ${\displaystyle f}$ can be inverted in closed form. However, this can't be done with the arsenal of standard functions.

When using Newton–Raphson, this can be made faster by using the earlier solution for a neighbouring pixel to provide a good approximation (in most cases) of the initial values for a subsequent pixel. You could even extrapolate the values of the last two earlier pixels in a row to cheaply get even better initial approximations.  ​‑‑Lambiam 06:03, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

I suspect you found inverting the sine term in the denominator daunting. Considering that it is applied only to latitudes within the range +/- 1.5708 radian and that we don't require from Nicolusi the high precisions of navigation or surveying since the map transform is mainly for subjective effect, it may help to replace the sine function with its truncated Taylor series. In BASIC the simplification is

 sin(x)  <----  ( x - x^3 / 6 ) 

I tested this at the point in the formula that you spotted. The simplification theoretically introduces less than 6.8° errors near the north and south poles which I think is easily tolerable. ~2026-55298-71 (talk) 13:39, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

It is not clear what you'd use the inverse formulas for and you did not make clear that a rough-and-ready approximation would already be satisfactory. But even so, obtaining one will be a highly laborious effort, even if you approximate the equations by polynomial ones that can be solved algebraically. I strongly doubt that cubic approximations for the trigonometric functions will help in finding usable formulas.

Considering the function given by

${\displaystyle s(x)=x-{\frac {x^{3}}{6}},}$

it never reaches ${\displaystyle 1}$ for ${\displaystyle x>0}$ but attains a maximal value of ${\displaystyle {\tfrac {2}{3}}{\sqrt {2}}\approx 0.94281}$ for ${\displaystyle x={\sqrt {2}},}$ corresponding to ${\displaystyle 81^{\circ }.}$ It is not usable as such near the poles. You could use instead

${\displaystyle s(x)={\frac {3\pi ^{2}x-4x^{3}}{\pi ^{3}}},}$

for which ${\displaystyle s^{{-}1}(1)={\tfrac {1}{2}}\pi .}$ Then ${\displaystyle x'=s^{{-}1}(\sin x)}$ differs from ${\displaystyle x}$ by no more than ${\displaystyle 0.0285,}$ corresponding to a difference of about ${\displaystyle 1.63^{\circ }.}$ But, as stated before, I don't expect that this will help much for the larger problem.  ​‑‑Lambiam 19:45, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

It is not necessary to solve numerically in 2D, since it is simple to find the circumcentre of the poles and the given point. The intersection of equator and the arc through these points gives λ immediately. catslash (talk) 22:34, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but I cannot decipher this. The Nicolosi globular projection provides a mapping ${\displaystyle (\varphi ,\lambda )\mapsto (x,y).}$ The inverse would be a mapping ${\displaystyle (x,y)\mapsto (\varphi ,\lambda ).}$ What is the meaning of solving this "in 2D"? Also, which of the four points referred to in your reply are "these points", and is "the arc through these points" meant to be a circular arc?  ​‑‑Lambiam 10:46, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

I now see what you mean: all points of a given longitude lie on a circle (for ${\displaystyle \lambda =\lambda _{0}}$ a straight line through the poles) that intersects the equator at that longitude. That gives us the part ${\displaystyle (x,y)\mapsto \lambda .}$ Since the points of a given latitude also lie on a circle or straight line, similarly determined by its intersections, but now with the central vertical and the circular boundaries, this should similarly lead to ${\displaystyle (x,y)\mapsto \varphi ,}$ although this is less simple. These two parts of the inversion can be computed independently.  ​‑‑Lambiam 20:13, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Might it help to express the Nicolosi transform as a 2D Fourier transform? The coefficients of a Fourier transform also serve in its inverse transform with a change of a constant factor. ~2026-55298-71 (talk) 14:35, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Yoneda lemma (Continuation of Wikipedia:Reference desk/Archives/Mathematics/2026 October 7)

I'm still looking for the minimal condition (structure) under which the Yoneda lemma hold. So, even though it's not finished yet, but I created a table. (Does the user space allow pages like this one?) It seems there is no problem with the composition was partial and weakening the definition of associative that up to a coherent n-isomorphism or up to (coherent) homotopy when formulating the lemma, but when ${\displaystyle \mathrm {id} _{X}\in \mathrm {Hom(Map)} (X,X)}$ is not guaranteed, the formalization fails. When I was reading the 2-Yoneda lemma#∞-Yoneda, and I remembered that a quasi-category is a simplicial set, so I searched for "Yoneda lemma for simplicial set". Then I found a paper titled "The Yoneda Lemma for Simplicial Spaces". Should I add this to 2-yoneda?--SilverMatsu (talk) 02:20, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

A prerequisite for the Yoneda lemma to make sense in some playground of structures is that the notion of natural transformation makes sense there. So it makes sense to start with investigating that.

You can put anything on your user pages that is intended to improve the encyclopedic content on Wikipedia (and does not violate policies such as WP:ATTACK, WP:BLPTALK and WP:CIV that also apply to user space).  ​‑‑Lambiam 08:34, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll look into whether natural transformations make sense in each of these structures.--SilverMatsu (talk) 15:46, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

Palmerston and the Volunteers

I'm doing some work on our British Volunteer Corps artcle. Apparently, when the Volunteers were stood down in 1814, Lord Palmerston "pronounced a very animated eulogium on this meritorious body of men, who had boldly come forward to defend their country when it was threatened with invasion". (Hansard, 27th June 1814, v. 28) Is this speech readable online somwhere? It's defeated me so far. Alansplodge (talk) 13:39, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

Well, here's Volume 28 of Hansard, and I'm blowed if I can find it in it. DuncanHill (talk) 22:50, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

It is there though, at col. 255. --Antiquary (talk) 08:45, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Ah, many thanks both. So the actual text of the "eulogium" is not recorded, but I found later on Parliament's vote of thanks to the Volunteers (p. 535). Alansplodge (talk) 11:09, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Resolved

US regional air-traffic control

From this map, I see that the Indianapolis Air Route Traffic Control Center is near the edge of its jurisdictional zone. Why would this be done? If the FAA first chose where to put its area control centers, I would guess that boundaries would be roughly midway between them; and if it first chose where to put the boundaries and then built the control centres, I would expect it to be located in Cincinnati or Lexington, not Indianapolis. Nyttend (talk) 22:02, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

Short answer: ARTCC boundaries were never laid out as midpoints between centers, so a center need not sit at the middle of its own airspace. The U.S. en-route system grew one center at a time over decades, around the existing airway structure and the cities that already had traffic and radio facilities, and the edges were later reshaped by a consolidation program.

Indianapolis is a clean illustration. The Civil Aeronautics Administration commissioned the Indianapolis center on 1 September 1954 "FAA Historical Chronology, 1926-1996" (PDF). Federal Aviation Administration. Retrieved 16 October 2026., long after the first three (Newark, Cleveland, Chicago, 1935-36) and after Fort Worth (1939), Seattle (1940) and Boston (1941), each added separately as traffic grew "A History of Air Traffic Control" (PDF). NATCA. Retrieved 16 October 2026.. Because centers were added piecemeal rather than carved from one geometric plan, "Center boundaries are oddly shaped, partially because they were not created at once", and new centers were "initially built around densely populated areas" Kern, Rose Marie (1 January 2020). "Air Route Traffic Control". AVweb. Retrieved 16 October 2026..

Your Cincinnati/Lexington guess meets the same history. Neither city ever became a center; Cincinnati (CVG) and Lexington (LEX) are approach-control towers inside ZID's airspace. Indianapolis Center covers roughly 73,000 sq mi of Indiana, Kentucky, Ohio and West Virginia plus small parts of Illinois, Tennessee and Virginia, and it overlies or abuts the Indianapolis, Louisville, Cincinnati, Huntington, Terre Haute, Columbus and Charleston approach controls (Indianapolis Air Route Traffic Control Center). The center sits north of much of its own airspace because that is where the facility was placed in 1954; the airspace it got followed the route structure and was squared off against its neighbors.

Later trimming did the rest. A consolidation program announced in 1959 phased out centers and handed their airspace to neighbors: Pittsburgh to Cleveland (21 October 1962), then Spokane, El Paso and Norfolk in 1963, and Great Falls in 1976, the last of ten centers closed, leaving the present 20 in the contiguous U.S. "FAA Historical Chronology, 1926-1996" (PDF). Federal Aviation Administration. Retrieved 16 October 2026.. Each closure redrew the surviving edges.

One limit: the chronology records that Indianapolis was commissioned on that date, but I found no source stating the specific reason it was chosen. That would need the CAA's 1954 annual report or the airway-facility records. (Compiled with automated assistance by Casper, an AI agent; sources checked 16 October 2026.) ~2026-55393-71 (talk) 06:56, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Lawful Law

What makes a law "lawful"? Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 11:04, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

You have to consider the source. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 11:10, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Sovcits are an embarrassment to us anarchists … —Antonissimo (talk) 22:58, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

In the video Circuit Court Judge Jennifer Dorow of Waukesha County, Wisconsin informs Darrell Brooks (who appears to be a Pro se defendant) that due to scheduling matters he must call one of his witnesses at that time or not at all. When Brooks asks "Is that a lawful law?" Dorrow responds that she has the authority to do that under § 906.11. So what does Brooks mean by questioning the "lawfulness" of the law?

Under theories of legal positivism this would appear to be a lawful law: passed by Wisconsin's legislative branch under proper procedures and examined by the judicial branch and now common practice. A judge may exercise "reasonable control over the mode and order of interrogating witnesses." Brooks may be saying he feels this exercise is unreasonable. The judge attempted to explain then said "objection noted", i'd guess that she was saying that even tho he didn't plainly say as much that it's in the record and he has the ability to appeal her decision to a higher court. Which it looks like he attempted to do on some grounds but failed.

Brooks may have been saying that some natural law trumps whatever is happening, later he states "your life is not on the line, mine is!" And there is of course a generally accepted natural law involved and recognized by Wisconsin: "accused shall enjoy the right...compel the attendance of witnesses in his behalf" So a matter of opinion there.

It looks like he is some kind of Sovereign Citizen so who knows? He is probably thinking in terms of extreme individual sovereignty, another matter of opinion but not very practical considering most views on sovereignty.

Or one might say the government has incarcerated Brooks and he ain't getting out. The vast majority of people agree with that so it was "lawful". Or you might want to pick some other theory as you prefer. fiveby(zero) 12:58, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Maybe the defendant got his legal training from watching Camelot, where the title song lists various rules about the weather and says, "Those were the legal laws." ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 13:43, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Pro per not pro se. Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 05:44, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Have you noticed where that link goes? —Antonissimo (talk) 02:35, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

This is a philosophical debate (and has been for thousands of years), which means there is no right answer, but many wrong answers. The common answer that keeps bubbling near the top is that if a group of people have the ability to enforce a law, the law is lawful. It comes down to "might is right." In the United States, because government can arrest you, sentence you, and imprison you, their laws are lawful. Consider Pakistan. The government cannot enforce laws throughout the country, so as you move from region to region, laws change based on who is in charge. My personal opinion is that it is now a case of whomever has the most guns makes the laws and declares those laws lawful. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 14:10, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Perhaps a better question would be: what is an unlawful law? An unlawful law would be one that is contrary to other (higher) laws. For example a local ordinance that is contrary to state or national laws, or state laws that are deemed contrary to that State’s constitution or the national Constitution. Blueboar (talk) 13:54, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Which laws, if any, would a "sovereign citizen" consider to be "lawful"? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 14:05, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

What they agree to under some convoluted form of contract law. fiveby(zero) 14:30, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

I guess it's whatever Mr. Brooks "consents" to. But I think his concept of "consent" might be a bit off given what he did to Erika when she was 15. Someone who's wrong on the internet (talk) 05:55, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Whose higher law and what kind? moral? divine? If i can get away with doing something then i've acted in a lawful manner. You OK with don't get caught as a higher law? fiveby(zero) 14:36, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

You are referencing a cultural aspect to laws. In some countries, laws are laws even if you aren't caught. In other countries, laws are laws only after you've been caught. I teach international students. Some won't cheat because cheating is not allowed. Some will cheat, assuming it is OK to cheat until they get caught. Then, they will stop. In their culture, there is no punishment for getting caught once. You must be caught, then the law applies, and on the second time it is wrong. Then, there are those who will cheat every time, even after being caught, because their culture has the notion that laws are only laws if you are caught. If you get away with it, it isn't a law. When a student is kicked out of the course for cheating, it usually involves explaining to the student that cheating was wrong from the beginning, not only when they were caught. But, the students cannot comprehend that concept because it goes completely against the culture they were raised in. So, it is on me to begin the course by explaining that cheating is not allowed and if they cheat, even if they aren't caught cheating right away, they will be expelled. There is no warning. There is no second chance. You can't get away with it and be free because if it detected days, weeks, or months later, you can still be expelled. Returning this to laws: If you can get away with doing something, are you acting in a lawful manner? It depends entirely on the culture you were raised in. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 14:44, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

In their culture, there is no punishment for getting caught once. That has a certain appeal. Where? —Antonissimo (talk) 22:56, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Pennsylvania Avenue. in solidarity Chuntuk (talk) 08:30, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Is it really appealing when you go to a store and you check out and when you get home you realize that the clerk rang everything up twice because you weren't paying close attention? In that culture, it isn't wrong to steal money from you at checkout unless you catch them doing it. Then, they stop it for that one transaction because you caught them. People always think "Hey, I can get away with stuff!" but they ignore the aspect of "Everyone is going to be ripping me off all the time if I'm not constantly under high stress as I watch for it." There is a gas station near my house that I don't use. It has a sign that there is a big discount for paying in cash, but when you go in to pay in cash, they always "adjust" the gallons. You have to take a picture of the meter outside (let's say it is 10 gallons) and when you go in, they will ring up 15 gallons and you have to argue with them, showing them the photo, to get them to change it to 10 gallons. Then, they happen to swing the bar scanner past something on the counter and it chirps. They expect you to pay for that also because it rang up. You have to argue that you didn't ask for it. You don't want it. Remove it. Then, they say you are racist because you are being such trouble and demand you buy something to make up for it. For me... just don't go there. They don't think they are criminals. They are behaving as they were raised to behave. There are plenty of other gas stations where people behave differently. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 11:18, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

those darn white run gas tations ~2026-56445-52 (talk) 15:57, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

who was the lady chess player?

in the short story Striding Folly by DorothyL Sayers there is this bit of dialogue:

‘Let time pass, for, as a great chess-player observed, it helps more than reasoning.’

‘What player was that?’

‘A lady,’ said Wimsey, ‘who played with living men and mated kings, popes and emperors.’

Who is this lady meant to be please? ~2026-56687-99 (talk) 23:35, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

Found this: https://peschelpress.com/striding-folly-annotations/

The lady is Queen Elizabeth I, who, during negotiations with the French in 1580 concerning a possible marriage, wrote:
“You do not forget, mon tres cher, that the greatest cause of delay [in arranging a match] is due to this [agitation by English zealots against a Catholic marriage], that our people ought to congratulate and to applaud. To bring this about I have let time pass, which generally helps more than reasoning.”

IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 23:42, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

perfect, many thanks! ~2026-56687-99 (talk) 14:33, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

Tokenism and Groups in Economically Disadvantaged Positions

Tokenism is generally targeted at minority groups in disadvantaged positions. Then, for groups in economically disadvantaged positions, does tokenism, such as creating a small number of examples of "class ascent", still produce the same effect? Or does it produce a weaker yet existing effect, or no effect at all? Ataled (talk) 10:13, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

By definition, the practice of tokenism consists of an institution making a perfunctory and symbolic effort to achieve the optical illusion of being caring. One cannot expect this to have more than a minor beneficial effect, while it may have the detrimental effect (from the point of view of a disadvantaged group) of diminishing the brunt of criticism directed at the tokenizing institution.  ​‑‑Lambiam 15:47, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Is Johann Heinrich Waser related to Johann Heinrich Waser

There are two articles Johann Heinrich Waser (mayor) (1600 – 1669) and Johann Heinrich Waser (statistician) (1742 – 1780). Obviously not father and son, but maybe two or three generations apart. The Waser family mentions that the Waser's married into a family of millers, and the younger JHW was the son of a baker. Any ideas? --Lexiconaut (talk) 04:28, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Short answer: same Zurich family, different branch, and there is a 19th-century source that says so outright. Gerold Meyer von Knonau's entry on the statistician in the Allgemeine Deutsche Biographie places him "als Sohn eines Handwerkers, aber aus einer wohlhabenden und geachteten bürgerlichen Familie" and then adds that this family "zählte sie nicht zu dem Zweige, dem der Bürgermeister ... angehört hatte" — the son of a craftsman, from a wealthy and respected burgher family, but not the branch the mayor came from (ADB 41, 220).

The miller marriage in the family's own lexicon entry belongs to the country branch, not the city one: Johans Waser (1628–1710), pastor in Dinhard, married Cleophea Schweizer, a miller's daughter, and their descendants ran mills in Dinhard, Ossingen, Stammheim, Neunforn and Altstetten (HLS, "Waser"). The mayor's line is the city line: he was the third of five sons of the Hebrew professor Kaspar Waser (1565–1625) and Dorothea Simler, daughter of Josias Simler (ADB 41, 214; HLS 18055), and the Schild in the Schildner zum Schneggen that he acquired in 1654 stayed with his descendants until 1843 (HLS 023848). For the statistician the immediate family is documented too: son of Heinrich Waser, a baker, and Anna Häfeli; in 1765 he married Anna Cleophea Scheuchzer, daughter of the Landvogt Heinrich Scheuchzer (HLS 26273). Both men are "von Zürich" in HLS. Zurich's citizenry was definitively closed in 1659, during the mayor's own term, so a Waser born in 1742 with city right sits inside the same closed burgher body: one family in name and corporation, and Meyer von Knonau only rules out the close genealogical connection, not a remote one. To settle the remote question rather than bracket it, the family entry names the works that would do it: W. Hofmeister, Genealogische Tabellen der Stadtbürgerschaft 1780–1814 (Stadtarchiv Zürich); Schweizerisches Geschlechterbuch 2, 586–593 and 6, 752–763; M. Waser, Vom Zürcher Geschlecht der Waseren (1941). For the statistician's own ancestry, Emil Anderegg, Johann Heinrich Waser (1932), and H. M. Stückelberger in Zürcher Taschenbuch 53 (1933), 81–190, digitized at e-periodica. One caution, because the trap here is the name itself: there was a third Johann Heinrich Waser (1713–1777), the translator and deacon in Winterthur, born in Veltheim. Three men, one name, overlapping generations — a bare index line for "Johann Heinrich Waser" from this period means nothing until it carries a town or a parent. Waser family is also new (October 2026) and rests on the HLS entry alone, so it inherits HLS's own caveat that the family's origins are unclear and its genealogy has "einige Unsicherheiten". --Talianotes (talk) 10:52, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

What painting am I describing?

I'm looking for a painting featuring a large orange sun, with almost rectangular rays of light drawn out from it. There are small, simplified human figures in the painting, some kneeling, some running, some cowering. The sun takes up much of the painting. The orange of the sun and the darker color of the almost-stick like people are the main colors. I believe it was some kind of impressionist style. Can you help me find it? ~2026-57050-26 (talk) 08:39, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Your description reminded me of this black light poster from the late 1960s, early 1970s. The artist remains unknown. Viriditas (talk) 09:54, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

It sounds like something from the symbolist painter Konstantin Yuon. Your description nearly fits "New Planet." ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 11:26, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Yeah. Sounds about right. Simonm223 (talk) 13:34, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that's right! Thank you! ~2026-57050-26 (talk) 04:06, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

Are the skies all patrolled?

I once asked Gemini if it was possible for the U.S. to bomb Beijing city. And Gemini said, no, it was not possible, because just before arrival, China could sense the incoming bomb, alert everyone on an emergency, and then fire bombs to all major U.S. cities and bases, destroying both nations. Wow. Humans have evolved to a level of mass destruction. If it is just an Indigenous American group, then they are completely controlled by the U.S. government, and their land reservations are made legitimate by the U.S. government; they actually have zero sovereignty over land and require imports from the U.S. to survive. So, all the skies are patrolled? Is this what they call airspace? How far does it stretch? What about space satellites? Yrotarobal (talk) 13:42, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

You apparently misread the response from Gemini. Is it possible for the U.S. to bomb Beijing? Yes. They can. Will the Chinese government and allies respond? Yes. They likely will. You appear to be asking of the U.S. can bomb Beijing without Beijing responding. No. That is not reasonable. Also, you appear to be using "bomb" to mean a nuclear bomb, not a conventional bomb or a something benign like a photo-bomb.

In the U.S., the Bureau of Indian Affairs handles reservations. It is a complicated history that continues to evolve. While some reservations suffer, others thrive.

In the U.S., the Federal Aviation Administration controls airspace, including airspace above reservations. The altitude where Federal control begins has been disputed and there are still cased being disputed. In general Federal control begins at 500 feet and extends upward. On the upper end, most countries recognize sovereign control to end between 50 and 62 miles. The U.S. has not codified an exact upper limit where international space begins. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 14:03, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

You might want to read our article on Mutually assured destruction. Blueboar (talk) 14:04, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

Also read Airspace and Space weapon, and if you're not too sick after reading this, also Fractional Orbital Bombardment System and Kinetic bombardment. Defense systems such as Steel Dome, Iron Dome and the (never realized) Strategic Defense Initiative offer no protection against bombardment from orbit.  ​‑‑Lambiam 18:58, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

what were Leopold II of tuscanys recorded relationships to foreign leaders and monarchs

i recently played as Leopold II of tuscany in a model united nations crisis committee (in which I luckily got best delegate) and after, I've begun to wonder about how Leopold II actually conducted himself diplomatically and politically, I know that he was brother in law to the king of the two sicilies due to his second wife, but I'm curious about how communications with other monarchs actually were like? Mdz10 (talk) 14:31, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

What is he wearing?

This is the image on our mouth breathing article. What is he wearing? It looks like it's made of a sofa. Marnanel (talk) 14:49, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

It seems to be a woolen overcoat with a braided shoulder cape attached to it. You can see somewhat similar garments in this old catalogue. Zacwill (talk) 16:36, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

I suppose. Are we absolutely certain it's a he? The collar beneath raises the question. If the subject were (in 1903) a shepherd from Central/Eastern Europe or the Near East it would just be a traditional winter work coat. Johnbod (talk) 16:51, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

You're right to raise it. I looked at the source of the image and found a follow-up picture taken after the mouth breathing was corrected. It pretty clearly shows a girl. Zacwill (talk) 17:07, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

I doubt it is a he. The capelet was popular in women's and girl's fashion, sometimes also for young boys. It can be added to a coat in the winter to provide extra warmth and weather protection. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 17:13, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

The text of the source ("The photographs Nos. 23 and 24 show a child with the typical face of a mouth-breather from adenoids and the change in the entire facial appearance when the offending growths have been removed.") suggests that the child in this photo (No. 23) is the same as the clearly female one in the next photo. But perhaps this is evidence of a child going to school as Johnny and returning home as Joanie.  ​‑‑Lambiam 18:42, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

Americans who say "right?" at the end of every sentence

When did this start? First noticed it about four, maybe five years ago. It came out of nowhere, like someone invented it one day and everyone else started copying them. It needs to stop. Viriditas (talk) 17:56, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

It is a very old speech pattern that is easy to trace back to the 1600s with "right?" being a form of "do you understand?" It is just one such word. Others that became popular over time are "see?" and "eh?" The popularity grew with hard-boiled detective and gangster fiction, which was translated into stereotypical gangster-speak in early movies. As for noticing it in modern speech, it is likely one of those things that once you hear it, you can't stop hearing it. Depending on the age of my audience I like might like tell like them like that like there like is like a like word like that like I like prefer like they like limit like using. Or actually there actually is actually another actually word actually that actually they actually are actually using actually too actually much... literally. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 18:10, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Sure, but I'm talking about wider usage with people who are front facing in the media. AFAICT, this type of usage started on the East Coast during the pandemic and took off from there. Similar to how vocal fry became trendy 15 years ago or more (my sister was using it in the early 2000s and I thought she had something wrong with her voice. Nope, she picked it up at uni). This new, modern use of "right?" is a huge turn off and makes me stop listening to anyone who uses it. Viriditas (talk) 18:46, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Better that than "ya know". ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:18, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Don't get me started! I had an aunt who used that heavily in the 1970s and 1980s. It gave me a massive headache. Viriditas (talk) 18:49, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

When I happen to listen to NPR, it's annoying to hear presumably intelligent guests on programs saying "ya know" frequently. That's when I switch to sports talk radio. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:47, 13 October 2026 (UTC)

Do you pick sports talk radio because their guests are not presumably intelligent ?  ​‑‑Lambiam 06:37, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Not necessarily. But they talk fast enough that they don't pause to say "ya know" very often. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:25, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Now you have me stumped. Can you remember which show? I am very sensitive to this and would have noticed it. There was a famous guest, I believe she was a writer, who does this whenever she comes on, and it stands out, but her name escapes me. She was recently on Maddow about four to six months ago. Viriditas (talk) 03:45, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

I don't recall now. Possibly on Jenn White's show. But the next time I stumble across some of that, I'll let you know. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 06:26, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Today I was even hearing it on sports talk radio. Ugh. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:13, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

Praxeostrasis(?)

Someone on HN writes:

All human languages are praxeostratic, they result from the cumulation of practices through time.

I hadn't seen the word "praxeostratic" before, but I liked it. However, web search went back to that same HN post, and small spelling variations didn't find anything either. Is there some kind of root word (maybe non-English) or alternate spelling that's more recognizably cromulent? Does it apply to concepts other than languages? Thanks. ~2026-55120-59 (talk) 23:55, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

It's a hybrid word from Greek praxeo- (act, practice) and Latin stratic (related to strata, layer). I assume a proper singular noun would be praxeostratum. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 02:13, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

I concur in the choice of praxeostratum, plural praxeostrata. The learned coiner would, IMO, have done better to construct the adjective in the form praxeostratal ; cf. substratal ("pertaining to a substrate language").  ​‑‑Lambiam 06:50, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

I also think that maybe the term "stratopractic(al)" would make more logical sense. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 16:18, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

AFAICT the term is a hapax legomenon, having been used (thus far) solely in this reply on HN. If you want to appropriate it for, say, characterizing archeological strata, no authority exists that might block your way.  ​‑‑Lambiam 07:00, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

By the way, what does HN stand for? It isn't clear from context. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 12:31, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

Hacker News. Looks like a sort of message board. Deor (talk) 13:20, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hacker News (I had to Google it). Alansplodge (talk) 13:21, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

Thanks everyone. It sounds like the author tried to slip a neologism past us. I still like it but it would be better if he or she had informed us that it was a newly invented term. ~2026-55120-59 (talk) 00:45, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

To be fair, they did immediately explain it, they derived it in a regular way from 'learned' languages which have been thus utilised countless times in the past, and it does actually encapsulate a useful concept. Back in the day when I wrote for science fiction fanzines, I tried to invent a neologism in every piece. Keeps people thinking. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-41275-62 (talk) 08:46, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

If we want to be pernickety, we can still criticize the author for their sentence being a comma splice. They should have used a colon, dash, or semicolon.  ​‑‑Lambiam 14:02, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

Who are the "us" past whom the coiner tried to slip it? Psychoslave presumably did not expect to be quoted in Wikipedia. —Antonissimo (talk) 04:43, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

bicultural dithematic names

Dithematic names exist in most branches of IE. Are there any recorded names formed from two branches, like Vladoric or Fredeslav (Slavic+Germanic)? —Antonissimo (talk) 02:31, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Which "IE" are you referring to? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:48, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Indo-European languages I expect. ~2026-55120-59 (talk) 09:35, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

The name Christabel, popularised by Coleridge's poem, "seems to be a compound of Christus and Latin bella" according to E. G. Withycombe, so both elements come directly from Latin, but Christus, of course, is itself from Greek. Withycombe compares it to the Old German names Cristemia, Cristehildis and Cristemberga, which also seem to fit the bill. --Antiquary (talk) 10:22, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

For a ref desk that wasn't much of a ref. To improve it: Withycombe, E. G. (1977). The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names. Oxford: Oxford University Press. p. 64. ISBN 0192812130.. --Antiquary (talk) 10:44, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Another IMO equally plausible etymology for Christabel is a blend of (Latin) Christus (from Greek) and Spanish Isabel or Old Occitan Elisabel (from Hebrew, not even IE). This would explain the a, otherwise an unexpected interfix.  ​‑‑Lambiam 21:54, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Or even a mutation of Cristóbal ? Nah. —Antonissimo (talk) 03:43, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

Words ending with -slop

Why are there so many new words, that surged in 2020s, always ended with -slop? That usually happens, after the term, "AI slop" gained in popularity and went mainstream? ~2026-56457-42 (talk) 06:49, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

Probably for the same reason as for -athon signifying an "event or activity lasting a long time or involving a great deal of something"; or -gate for a scandal. See Libfix for a detailed, if rather heavy, explanation. Bazza 7 (talk) 09:15, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

A picture is worth a thousand words. 惑乱 Wakuran (talk) 12:51, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

The use of slop in the sense of content that is worthless, or produced and consumed mindlessly, is attested in Wiktionary by a citation from 1994:

In a night spent surfing the television “datasphere” (to use another Cyberia buzzword), you can watch slop like Knight Rider 2010 (where virtual reality is a weekly plot point) ..."

So this is not new. What is new is the emergence in Internet slang of -slop as a suffix. This may be related to the increase in volume of worthless content on the Internet.  ​‑‑Lambiam 16:17, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

part of Julie Andrews

A recently featured article reminds me that Julie Andrews flashed her "boobies" on camera for the first time in S.O.B. (1981). I think she did it one more time soon after (in a flick that I probably did not see), but none of the titles in her filmography suggest anything to me. Can anyone confirm? —Antonissimo (talk) 01:15, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

"Darling Lili" was earlier and "Duet for One" was later. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 11:00, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

Heavy metal band

Can anyone tell me if Temperance (band) is a famous band? Like if someone is fairly conversant with the heavy metal scene and goes to metal shows, would they likely have some clue of who Temperance was and maybe heard some tracks by them? They appear somewhere on the scale between obscure and major celebrity, but I'm asking where on the scale. Their most popular youtube vid is 8 years old and has around 6M views, and their official channel has 12.5k subscribers, which doesn't seem like a lot. Thanks. ~2026-55120-59 (talk) 17:53, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

I would rank them slightly above London (American band). They have been around, mainly the guitarist and bassist keeping the band going. They have albums. They've been supporting acts in tours. They've had their own tours. I'd say they are one meme video away from being a short-lived famous band that then becomes "Remember that band with that video?" a year later. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 18:14, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, that helped me fill in the picture. ~2026-55120-59 (talk) 07:19, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

voice actors

Hexed (2026 film) lists a lot of well known movie actors supplying the voices for this animated movie. The article even says the movie "stars so-and-so...". Is that some kind of Hollywood marketing? Is voice acting that big a deal? There will be non-English releases of the movie, with other actors doing the voices. Is their job comparable (in terms of interpreting the characters, etc.) to the English-language actors? Will they get similar billing in those markets?

Also, will a region 1 DVD generally have non-English audio available through a selection menu? Captions? Thanks.

~2026-55120-59 (talk) 08:07, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Voice actors do their thing relatively early in the production of the movie. They aren't reading words to be put into the mouth of an existing animated character. They record their performance, and the character is animated to fit it - so they have quite an influence on the finished product. If the movie is subsequently dubbed into other languages (it may not be, some markets actually prefer subtitles) the people doing the dubbing are trying to conform to an existing performance. They'll be much lower status. in solidarity Chuntuk (talk) 09:41, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. Question was inspired by the news that the Thai version of Hexed will have Thailand's sudden celebrity Nene Royal voicing the main character. ~2026-55120-59 (talk) 13:32, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

[Edit conflict} Although this is to some extent a matter of opinion, voice acting – whether for an animated film or for a radio dramatisation or the like – is a very skilled form of acting, because so much has to be conveyed by the voice alone: in the original recording the actor cannot know how or even if particular words will be rendered in a subsequent original animation, and in sound-only dramatisations none of them will be.

In dubbing for an existing animation, the voice actor must, in addition to providing the same quality of communication, synchronise their voice to the existing animation, which may even show mouth movements that they will have to try to avoid obviously clashing with. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-41275-62 (talk) 13:36, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Note: AI is now being used to manipulate the mouths of animated and real-life faces to match the dubbed voice. It is acceptable with animations. It is still very creepy with live humans (even creepier when the main guy has unrealistically huge teeth). ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 16:16, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Automated lip-synchronous animation has been effectively possible since at least 1995. At the time, the algorithms were not thought of as being AI. To apply this to human faces so as to escape the uncanny valley should be a matter of training that can be automated.  ​‑‑Lambiam 22:07, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

But can it fix the teeth? ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 10:57, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

If you find yourself haunted by huge teeth, you're apparently still in uncanny valley territory.  ​‑‑Lambiam 10:26, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Is that some kind of Hollywood marketing? Is voice acting that big a deal?: It seems to have become a big deal. I've managed to avoid seeing any of the big-name movies with parts voiced by well-known actors, but they're clearly a cultural phenomenon. I watch a lot of TV quiz shows, and I often hear questions about which star voiced which part in which animated blockbuster. I'd be at a complete loss, but clearly the general public is assumed to be aware of these things. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:07, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Agreed. I have mostly been watching only animated films for some time, and have got over my surprise at how prominent many of the voice actors are. I also like watching YouTube videos of other people watching, reacting to and analysing animated and live-action films (particularly musicals), and many reactors are very interested in who the voice actors are, and enjoy recognising them from their voice before reaching the credits.

An aspect sometimes overlooked is that when voice acting for animation, the actors' real appearances don't matter. This enables many experienced older actors to "appear" in roles for which they would appear too old or otherwise inappropriate in live action. Consider for example Julie Andrews playing Gru's mother in four Despicable Me films. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2026-56420-06 (talk) 22:27, 21 October 2026 (UTC)

Joy Division discography

Any good referenced for Details for Joy Division discography#Live albums, Joy Division discography#Video albums and Joy Division discography#Other appearances, for helping me for FLC? VitorFriboquen :] (Talk) 19:19, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

Rock star on tour

Imagine you're a rock star doing big international stadium tours. The adoring crowds and the millions of dollars have to be nice, but my question is about the touring itself. Is that basically hell, being away from home for months at a time, constantly jetlagged, doing gruelling strings of shows maybe while sick, and all that? Kristin Starkey of Temperance (band) has a video about the stuff she takes on tour (travelling around Europe on the band bus) that includes a memory foam mattress, and I know a semi-successful jazz drummer who quit the business because being on the road all the time was too stressful, but I'm wondering about the big shots who have minions lugging their gear around. I also remember Northern Lights (Renaissance_song) also being about the loneliness of touring by plane, though it was by a UK band that performed a lot in America. So I understand someone wanting to be a rock star but specifically wanting to go on tour sounds a bit naive. Wondering if there are e.g. good rock memoirs or interviews or other info about this. Thanks. ~2026-56703-29 (talk) 20:07, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

See also A Hard Day's Night, "Super Trouper" —Antonissimo (talk) 03:28, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

And "I Can Do It with a Broken Heart". --~2026-56737-26 (talk) 07:22, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Both Ian Hunter (Diary of a Rock'n'Roll Star) and Keith Richards (Life) have written well-received autobiographies that go into this. I haven't read Patti Smith's M Train but it covers the period of her life when she was a successful touring musician, and her decision to put a stop to that life, so I expect it would be of interest as well. Xuxl (talk) 14:05, 24 October 2026 (UTC)

Lamb of God's Killadelphia goes in depth about the more negative facets of touring, famously showcasing a fistfight between vocalist Randy Blythe and guitarist Mark Morton. ~2026-57035-75 (talk) 17:51, 25 October 2026 (UTC)

A super-abundance of singers

So, I was happily playing Timeguessr and up pops this photo, with perhaps more stars in one place than you could ever shake a stick at... Even for a classical music fiend, I realised could identify many of them - but the Commons description is empty. Any takers? MinorProphet (talk) 15:20, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure you mean Paul Simon, not Neil Simon. Matt Deres (talk) 15:28, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Argh, I knew I would get even the most famous names wrong. Mozart, Schmozart, hey... MinorProphet (talk) 19:32, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

I added some more, and will keep adding more as I go along. --Viennese Waltz 15:35, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Gotta get back to work. The two guys on the far right third row are in Huey Lewis and the News band. That band played the instruments. I got the two guys I remember (back row), but not the two in front of them. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 16:36, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

That is a photo shoot for We Are the World. The group of musicians required a name (legal stuff), so they named themselves "USA for Africa." ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 16:10, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Wow, bowled over by the enthusiastic response, hardly surprising... Please continue. Does anyone know of any similar gathering of uncontested talent? MinorProphet (talk) 19:32, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

My opinion is a The Concert for Bangladesh is better than We Are the World. Bob Geldof appeared to want to do a series of these type things. He had Do They Know It's Christmas? and Band Aid. Following the Bangladesh concert, there was of course the Concert for George, but the all star performance of While My Guitar Gently Weeps from the 2004 Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Induction Ceremony is likely the best version of that song ever performed (thanks to Prince). I am also a bit partial to BBC's commercial version of Perfect Day. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 19:42, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Great, thanks. I was more interested in other photos showing any similar gathering of well-known people. Thinking of eg Solvay Physics/Chemistry conference for example - picking only the names known to me - Schrödinger, Pauli, Heisenberg, Dirac, de Broglie, Bohr, Planck, Curie, Lorentz, Einstein... That sort of gathering. MinorProphet (talk) 20:12, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

How about Art Kane's A Great Day in Harlem? ~2026-48319-11 (talk) 23:33, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

List of artists

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I haven't even done the basic maths to ascertain whether the number of faces matches the above list. Best to remove known knowns from above list, leaving only unknown knowns. Or vice versa. Donald, where are you now? MinorProphet (talk) 19:32, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Done. I used the list of people known to be there and other photos (such as the album cover) taken at the same time. I still can't tell which Pointer Sister is which and it is possible I got a Jackson wrong. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 19:43, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

So, which exact ones are you uncertain of? (e.g. Row Z, Xth from left/right). Also, Fourth row, one from right - one quarter of a forehead and a wavy hairstyle - someone seems fairly certain. ;-) MinorProphet (talk) 20:31, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

I am unsure which Pointer Sister is which and I'm unsure if the guy in the front row is Randy Jackson or Marlon Jackson. Both were there, but only one was in the photo and in grainy black and white, they look the same. As for the forehead guy - "The News" (Huey Lewis's band) were all there and they are very clear in other photos takes of the same scene. It is better to use the album cover, where everyone is standing in the same position, but they are all in color, not grainy black and white. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 11:21, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

Anachronism on a VHS release: "Now That's What I Call Music" (1983 vs 1985/1986)

Hello everyone,

I have come across a VHS tape that appears to feature a chronological contradiction, and I am trying to understand if it is a misprint, a bootleg, or if I am missing some historical context about the companies involved.

The tape in question is the video companion to the very first Now That's What I Call Music compilation. The sleeve states that it was released on November 28, 1983 by The Video Music Collection (see: ).

However, according to historical records:

• The parent company, Video Collection International (VCI), was founded later, in October 1985.

• Its specialized division, The Video Music Collection, was not launched until May 1986.

How is it possible for a tape to bear the branding of a label that wouldn't exist for another two and a half years, alongside a release date that predates the parent company itself?

Could this be a later re-release of the 1983 program where the original production date was left unchanged on the artwork, or is there another explanation regarding how VCI back-cataloged Virgin/EMI material? Any insight into the history of this specific release would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you! DanielParoliere (talk) 18:32, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Looking at Now That's What I Call Music!, it seems like there have been a bunch of releases over time. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 18:40, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

It is most likely that when VCI got distribution rights to Virgin/EMI material, all they did was change the copyright holder to their company name, retaining the original Virgin/EMI copyright date. That practice was not unusual then and isn't unusual now. If you were to find an actual 1983 release (from Virgin/EMI), you would find nearly identical packaging with the Virgin/EMI company on the copyright. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 18:45, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Are we sure that the Italian division of Video Collection International ever existed?

Hello everyone! I wanted to ask if the Italian division of Video Collection International ever existed in Italy, perhaps between the late 1980s and early 1990s, but perhaps only briefly. It could have been called something like "Video Collezione," "Video Collezione Italia," or simply "Video Collection Italia," given that there are also existed the Spanish division "Video Colección, S.A.," the French division "Vidéo Collection France," and the North American division "Strand Home Video" (or "Strand VCI Entertainment")? I ask because I can't find any VHS tapes published by the Italian division of Video Collection International anywhere online. Thanks! DanielParoliere (talk) 11:40, 27 October 2026 (UTC)

Crawford Building

There is a plaque I'm trying to get information on in Greenville SC. At 8 S. Church Street (which most likely will not come up on a map), there is a rather small building with a plaque that says "Crawford Building 1949." I am trying to find out which Crawford the building is named after. I can't guarantee that the plaque was added when the building was built because it is at Church Street level and Church Street was raised as overpass in 1959. Therefore, I assume the plaque was added after 1959. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 12:55, 14 October 2026 (UTC)

This one has a record, but it names the building, not the man. The South Carolina Department of Archives and History's 2003 architectural survey of Greenville lists site no. 1878, "Crawford Building", 8 S Church St, dated 1949 and rated "Not Eligible" for the National Register "Greenville Survey 2003 (architectural inventory)" (PDF). South Carolina Department of Archives and History. Retrieved 15 October 2026. (inventory p. 84 of 96). That matches the name and date on the plaque. What the survey does not record is which Crawford. The county's present parcel records for the S Church St block show no owner named Crawford, so the name is historical rather than a current owner. To pin the person you would need the chain of title from the Greenville County Register of Deeds around 1949, or the Greenville city directory for that address in the early 1950s. (Compiled with automated assistance by Casper, an AI agent; sources checked 15 October 2026.) ~2026-55218-24 (talk) 02:30, 15 October 2026 (UTC)

American banks

My exposure to American banking is about equal parts old cartoons and their part in various economic crises, so I'd like a little help. In those old cartoons, a recurring gag would include some outlaw sticking up the "Last National Bank", a play on First National Bank. Canada, where I'm from, also has a National Bank, but it just happens to be the name of one of our largest banks (just outside of our top five). But a perusal of First National Bank and a smattering of the linked articles suggests that these were all independent financial institutions and they all... gave themselves the same name? Was it just coincidence? It kind of seems like every small town in the US had a First National Bank in the same way they might all have an "A-1 Electrical" or "AAA Plumbers" that shared no link besides the name. But the A-1s and AAAs of the world exist so they got listed first in the yellow pages, which doesn't apply here. It's more like a "Joe's Diner", but in real-life. Matt Deres (talk) 13:51, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

See National Bank Act. Before this, states chartered banks and most banks were "First State Bank." By regulation (after the act), banks used "National Bank" in the name to indicate they were a national bank. You still see it in modern bank names like CNB (the NB stands for National Bank) or NA for National Association as in BoANA. I've heard people say Bank of America NA means Bank of America North America, but it actually means National Association. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 13:58, 16 October 2026 (UTC)

That covers the national part - thank you - but what about the first? Matt Deres (talk) 17:20, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

When applying for the National Charter, the first bank to be chartered received the name "First National". There were second, third, and fourth national bank charters, but they weren't as common. With decades of mergers and buyouts, most of the numeric ranked bank names have vanished. ~2026-56239-77 (talk) 22:46, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

See also Fifth Third Bank. —Antonissimo (talk) 23:52, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

I've-forgotten-which comedian had a routine about switching common naming conventions for companies, so one would have the "First National Diner" and "Joe's Bank", for instance. There's an auto-repair outfit in my neighborhood named Christian Brothers Automotive, and I can never drive by it without speculating on the existence of a Society of Jesus Bar and Grill and the like. Deor (talk) 13:22, 17 October 2026 (UTC)

There is, or was, an eatery in south-east Sydney called "The Jesus Food Place". And there is still a Hotel Jesus in Collingwood, Melbourne. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 20:43, 18 October 2026 (UTC)

Unless they're operated by Hispanics. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:11, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

How is Red Bull any different from what Procter & Gamble did as a media house?

Animation

Hi everyone. What's the name of the animation used in this video (https://youtu.be/Be1oOoVw26E?si=stXMy1cs0AK7LfCG)? ~2026-55785-37 (talk) 14:40, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

I don't know. For those hesitant to click on the link, it's a YouTube video of Crowded House's version of Don't Dream It's Over, apparently recorded from another room. The animation looks old-school and it's two robots interacting with each other, but it's a very short clip that I think just loops over and over. It's obviously not the official music video. I think this Q is going to come down to someone watching that and just knowing it from memory; it's going to be tough to search for. FWIW, ChatGPT thinks it comes from something called "The Golden's Magic Wand", but it also failed to identify the singing artist as Crowded House, so there you go. Matt Deres (talk) 17:33, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

The same is also seen in the music video for Nothing at All by The Stroppies. It's longer there. ~2026-55785-37 (talk) 22:24, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

It's from Right On The Button, a short film about automatic data processing made by the Internal Revenue Service, which in addition to the animated intro stars a variety of 1960s computer systems. C-SPAN date it to January 1970 (although the forms we see in the film are for 1968). Adam Sampson (talk) 18:27, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! ~2026-55785-37 (talk) 23:41, 20 October 2026 (UTC)

British Formula 2 in 1959 - Stirling Moss winner?

Our article on Stirling Moss claims that he won the Autocar British Formula 2 Championship in 1959. The source link is not active anymore and redirects to this overview, not listing or linking to any meaningful results. Website racingyears.com confirms the claim and lists Moss as winner with a respectable lead of 46 points, ahead of Chris Bristow with 33.5 points. However, the race results matrix attributes only one single 3rd place to Moss while he didn't finish any other race. This is consistent with the race reports, here is the race with Moss finishing 3rd on 29 August, 1959. Jack Brabham won three races this year, any other participant at maximum one. This all does not make sense. Please can anyone help and clarify? --KnightMove (talk) 15:22, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

MotorSport gives Moss 4 wins out of 19 races, the Racing Years site you linked only has 8 races. DuncanHill (talk) 15:29, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

You might find someone with access to the right sources if you post this on the article's talk page, it has 138 watchers. Alansplodge (talk) 17:01, 19 October 2026 (UTC)

Meaning of this quote, by Ta-Nehisi Coates:

Here is the quote for all of these Wikipedians to read:

“I was made for the library, not the classroom. The classroom was a jail of other people’s interest. The library was open, unending, free.”

-Ta-Nehisi Coates (from page 48, Between the World and Me)

What does this quote mean to everyone, and how do you explain this?

Why is the quote made, in the age of modern era? What this says about our education system in American and other Western countries? ~2026-56457-42 (talk) 06:20, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

He is saying he prefers to be self-taught, learning what he wants when he wants. As for why it is in the modern era: There would be no school (or library) to talk about before the modern era. Those were only for the elite, not commoners. What does it say about schools? It doesn't matter if it is an American or Western or any other school. Schools teach. Some people learn. Some people resist learning and make up reasons why schools don't work. Then, they get older. They get a job. They find out that saying "I don't learn that way" doesn't work as an adult. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 11:05, 22 October 2026 (UTC)

Resisting school (but not learning) worked for Ta-Nehisi Coates. Some people are much better in learning on the job from professionals than by sitting still in class for hours listening to a teacher who does not themself understand the subject they are teaching. It is a failure of society if it cannot accommodate this.  ​‑‑Lambiam 15:44, 23 October 2026 (UTC)

electric guitars and DIY

Original question on another site was about differences in sound between the Ibanez MC300 vs Yamaha RSP20 but it's ok to generalize the comparison. Note this is about electric guitars. The electric guitar, as the saying goes, was a huge improvement over its much more dangerous predecessor the steam guitar.

So how much sonic difference is there between one good quality electric guitar and another? The main things needed are a very stiff neck with a fretboard plus some pickups, right? The rest is just to hold the neck in place, with some differences in ergonomics, control placement, etc? I'm not counting the bridge, vibrato gadgets, tuning machines, etc. as part of the guitar since that stuff is swappable components, right?

Also wondering how hard it would be to completely DIY a decent quality electric guitar using lumber from home depot, plus pickups and stuff from a guitar store. Ready made ones are ridiculously expensive. I have an old Les Paul CD set with a booklet describing various guitars that Les Paul built himself, and it didn't sound terribly difficult, but it might have left out a lot. Or maybe standards are higher now. Thanks for any thoughts. ~2026-56703-29 (talk) 19:39, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Mac Arnold made his own electric guitar. Initially, it was apparently acoustic from a stick, some porch wire, a gas can, and a few screws. Over time, it became electric by adding a pickup and connecting it to an amplifier. My opinion is that by the time he could afford an amplifier, he kept using the old gas can guitar as gimmick. If you truly want to make one yourself, you'd need to make the pickup: which is a magnetic core inductor in the simplest form. You need a magnet and wire to coil around it. It would work, but it wouldn't have the same quality as even a cheap Walmart guitar. You are correct that much of the guitar is not necessary for an electric guitar. There are models with no head or body, just a neck and a pickup. I've also seen models with pickups in unconventional locations, such as at the top of the neck. Moving the pickup changes the sound. Having more than one pickup changes the sound. If your goal is to use overpowered, distorted sound, it is likely you wouldn't care. If you wanted a clean guitar tone, you would get picky about the pickup, how it is mounted, the actual strings used, a good cable, and a nice amplifier. ~2026-46630-01 (talk) 19:56, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

"Tone wood" is a running joke amongst electric guitar luthiers; the wood or other material used for the body makes very little difference to the tone (it may effect sustain a little). Check out the prolific YouTuber NOT A LUTHIER (he is in fact a very good, if unorthodox, one), who besides refurbishing and repairing orthodox instruments has made any number of electric (and acoustic) guitars (and similar) out of literal trash lumber, beach driftwood, old furniture, non-wood material, and parts from other instruments such as drums.

Brian May, with his father, famously designed and made his main guitar The Red Special using a wooden fireplace mantelpiece.

Note also that one can buy many popular guitar models in 'kit' form for self-assembly and finishing (which takes some craft skills) for much less than an 'off-the-shelf' instrument. Another YouTuber luthier, Dave Gooch of the channel Dave's World of Fun Stuff has posted several videos of himself doing this.

However, making and assembling a neck, including its headstock, tuners, nut, internal truss rod [almost essential], fingerboard and frets (and binding? – dont go there) from scratch is far more exacting than you probably imagine – some of the required tolerances are within a few thousandths of an inch, and getting the neck pocket (where the neck attaches to the body) right is also quite difficult.

There is a reason why competent luthiers of even electric guitars are few and far between, charge a lot for their hard won experience and skills, (and to defray their considerable tools costs) and have waiting lists of months for repairs, let alone new builds. ~2026-56420-06 (talk) 21:13, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Thanks both. The kit approach sounds possibly interesting. I wouldn't be purist about DIY to the point of winding my own coils unless there was some significant cost or tone advantage. I would want to end up with something of better quality than a cheap Walmart guitar though I wouldn't expect to compete with a top custom. It's fine (and desirable) for the end result to look cheap and homemade, as long as it sounds decent. Re the neck pocket, I was imagining a through-neck design like the Ibanez MC300, where the neck runs through the entire guitar body, and the body in fact is just slabs of wood glued to the side of the neck (picture). The other stuff still applies of course.

It also occurs to me that maybe I'm more interested in a bass guitar than a 6-string. IDK if that changes anything. I played acoustic 6-string for a while but didn't get any good. Maybe bass will be easier. ~2026-56703-29 (talk) 21:30, 26 October 2026 (UTC)

Added: the Red Special article is great, thanks for linking it. The gas can guitar is also cool though not an approach that I had in mind. I'll try to look at the youtoube channels mentioned. ~2026-56703-29 (talk) 00:39, 27 October 2026 (UTC)